MJ 5 MVPS, LeBron 4 MVPs, Duncan 2 MVPs, Kobe 1 MVP

[TheCorporation]

Who doesn't belong in an INDIVIDUALLY ranked system known as the "top 10" from this list? Surely if we are talking about team accomplishments as well, then surely Bill Russell is the GOAT by a land slide. 8 in a row and 11 total. How can you possibly argue against that? But, since we aren't comparing teams (Lakers vs Heat vs Bulls vs Spurs) but rather the PLAYER (Kobe vs Bron vs Jordan vs Duncan) I think it's safe to say we know who to leave off the list.

[BigBoss]

Lebron would trade all 4 MVP's for the ring this year. Ask him.

[Black and White]

I assume Shaq also doesn't belong in the conversation with LeBron and Duncan right???

[Magic 32]

Who doesn't belong in an INDIVIDUALLY ranked system known as the "top 10" from this list? Surely if we are talking about team accomplishments as well, then surely Bill Russell is the GOAT by a land slide. 8 in a row and 11 total. How can you possibly argue against that? But, since we aren't comparing teams (Lakers vs Heat vs Bulls vs Spurs) but rather the PLAYER (Kobe vs Bron vs Jordan vs Duncan) I think it's safe to say we know who to leave off the list.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/Msc_2008-Saturday,_09.00_-_11.00_Uhr-Moerk001_Sa.jpg

[Akrazotile]

Kobe ranks all-time where Melo ranks in the current league.

i.e. A lot lower than the average fan realizes.

[PsychoBe]

and mvps aren't a team accomplishment either right? especially since most mvps get it when their teams are below .500 :roll: :roll: :roll:

also steve nash > shaq??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

fail thread. reported. will find and fondle.

[DFish24]

2/5

[riseagainst]

I assume Shaq also doesn't belong in the conversation with LeBron and Duncan right???

dam...thread shut down.
:lol

ez.

[knicksman]

LMAO mvps are for betas

[rule1223]

I assume Shaq also doesn't belong in the conversation with LeBron and Duncan right???
lmao someone didnt think this thread through

[TheCorporation]

LMAO mvps are for betas

MJ and Kareem are betas?

:lol

Never go full retard, man! I think ISH has gone full retard after tonight.

[TheCorporation]

Never thought I'd see people dumb enough to compare individual players by team accomplishments. Or did you want to compare Finals MVPs? Then we have:

MJ 6
Shaq 3
Duncan 3
LBJ 2
Kobe 2

Is that a better measure of individual success?

You can't really give Kobe credit for Shaq's 3-peat like you can give Kobe credit for his own back-to-back. And even if you do give him credit for his back to back, you have to remember his 6 for 24 game and Pau averaging 18/11 on 50% + in the playoffs. I'm curious to see how many other people that won an NBA Finals ever had their #2 option putting up 18/11 on 50% + I think someone should do the research because I am sure you'll find that it's quite rare

Pau was even better than I thought...

His averages throughout the playoffs as a second option:

2009 - 18/11 on 58% with 2 blocks per game!
2010 - 20/11 on 54% with 2 blocks per game!

How many other players that won an NBA Finals had the luxury of having a guy putting up 20/11 on 54% with 2 blocks per game throughout the playoffs? I guarantee you won't find hardly any. I don't even know if you will find one other player.

[NumberSix]

2/5
To lose a finals, you have to win 3 rounds first. Not winning 3 rounds isn't some special accomplishment.

[jstern]

I assume Shaq also doesn't belong in the conversation with LeBron and Duncan right???

The reason why Shaq doesn't have more is because he missed so many games every season. Except the one he won it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ should've had 8
Kobe should've had 3

[AnaheimLakers24]

5> 2

[Magic 32]

MJ should've had 8
Kobe should've had 3

I agree.

[Smoke117]

MJ should've had 8

This is real life. Save your fantasies till your alone in your bedroom at night.

[pauk]

Lebron would trade all 4 MVP's for the ring this year. Ask him.

Not if it came in the fashion of how Kobe's first 3 came... that would move him nowhere on my all-time list...

[Black and White]

This is real life. Save your fantasies till your alone in your bedroom at night.

*You're

[knicksman]

MJ and Kareem are betas?

:lol

Never go full retard, man! I think ISH has gone full retard after tonight.

Your goal is to win the championship not MVPs. So only betas like bran, wilt, robertson go for it. Im sure MJ never cared about the MVPs, but too bad hes winning every year so they are forced to give him the MVPs. Meanwhile bran go for stats to fool idiots like you to vote for him with those MVPs. And once bran got exposed, he decided to go to Miami coz thats the only way he could fool idiots again into voting him if he wins a ring. So stay mad idiot:oldlol:

[The-Legend-24]

I assume Shaq also doesn't belong in the conversation with LeBron and Duncan right???
Rest In Piss, OP. :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

Not if it came in the fashion of how Kobe's first 3 came... that would move him nowhere on my all-time list...
so much for the nice guy act you croatian fgt. hiws brazil dick taste like homo? bet thats why you mad... oh an bran just got spanked twice :lol

kobe > bran
5> 2
5/7> 2/5

[COnDEMnED]

The reason why Shaq doesn't have more is because he missed so many games every season. Except the one he won it.
That and someone got one they didn't deserve.

[bigkingsfan]

His only was a career achievement award too. That pity award.

[Magic 32]

His only was a career achievement award too. That pity award.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-Sw9RPllA

[Brokenbeat]

Not if it came in the fashion of how Kobe's first 3 came... that would move him nowhere on my all-time list...

Bran doesn't know (let alone care) who you are though. :oldlol:

[Black and White]

Not if it came in the fashion of how Kobe's first 3 came... that would move him nowhere on my all-time list...

I suppose yours ranks above others?

[bigkingsfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-Sw9RPllA
They don't give out mvp for dunks.

[SamuraiSWISH]

This is real life. Save your fantasies till your alone in your bedroom at night.
Don't be bitter Pippen was never a legit MVP in one season, let alone multiple. Always riding coat tails must be tough.

MJ should've had:

1989
1990
1993
1997

My mistake, he should've had 9 MVPs.

Kobe should've had:

2006
2007

[Magic 32]

They don't give out mvp for dunks.

They do for the best record, the best stats, and kicking a*s in the final head-to-head matchup.

[ThePhantomCreep]

They don't give out mvp for dunks.

You're right, they give them for being the most valuable player in the NBA, which Kobe was. Chris "I'll get out of the second round someday, I swear" Paul finished a just 2nd in the vote.

[bigkingsfan]

They do for the best record, the best stats, and kicking a*s in the final head-to-head matchup.
Regular season award, 28.3 ppg, .459 shooting is nothing special.

[Magic 32]

Regular season award, 28.3 ppg, .459 shooting is nothing special.

Kobe with Bynum = 1 seed

Kobe without Bynum = 33.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5.5 apg 51% shooting.

Kobe with Pau = 1 seed (27-9)

M V P

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe with Bynum = 1 seed

Kobe without Bynum = 33.9 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 5.5 apg 51% shooting.

Kobe with Pau = 1 seed (27-9)

M V P

O N E

[Magic 32]

O N E

Thank you.

[bigkingsfan]

Thank you.
Must be really impressive if you have more than one then.

[pauk]

I suppose yours ranks above others?

Im not sure how you came to that conclusion.... but first of all there is no such thing as an all-time list, not officially, it all is personal from fan to fan which all is formed based on whatever criterias that fan goes after (with a hint of bias at times)..... But anyways, in mine, when evaluating an INDIVIDUAL's greatness based on the highest TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT (championship) context is then extremly important.... the only time context would not matter so much or maybe not at all, where significancy of every single championship would mean equal greatness to all/any individual players would be if this was a game like tennis... a 1vs1 game.... where a single guy is always responsible for a win or a loss, where the best PLAYER always wins... and not the best TEAM.... hence you can then truly use championships as numbers, the more the better, then you can very accurately rank players....