All 5 of LeBron's "fouls" from Game 5

[LongLiveTheKing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsdQazLi0c#t=142


Does anyone believe those were legit?

[joeysms55]

3 out of 5 are questionable.

[LongLiveTheKing]

3 out of 5 are questionable.
Which ones?

[Kingwillball]

Being Generous he should of finished with 3 fouls which would of kept him on the floor much longer than he was and he could of afforded to play more aggressively when he was on floor.

[CelticBaller]

Being Generous he should of finished with 3 fouls which would of kept him on the floor much longer than he was and he could of afforded to play more aggressively when he was on floor.
Comma

[imdaman99]

It's not a big deal. Just finish the Pacers off in game 6 sheesh.

[xoracle55]

BS! BS! BS! BS! :banghead:

I agree on this:

Ira Winderman on Ed Malloy:

"It's almost as if he is trying to show he is making the right call, (or shall we say showing off) rather than working by instinct and considering the situation, something the more-veteran officials seem to better appreciate".

:rockon:

[TylerOO]

The George Hill one made whip the remote across the room

[Replay32]

3 out of the 5 he got were terrible calls. :facepalm Seems like Ed Malloy had an agenda. Oh well.

[Jameerthefear]

headass

[Rodmantheman]

headass

what?

[LongLiveTheKing]

It's not a big deal. Just finish the Pacers off in game 6 sheesh.
More rest for the finals would've been great

[Marchesk]

Does anyone believe those were legit?

I don't think he should have had more than three at the most. It's suspicious.

I'm starting to actually believe the league does occasionally try to influence series so that they'll go longer, or get certain teams into the playoffs (Lakers).

Either that, or we have more Tim Donaghys. If it was just a one time thing, then chalk up to bad reffing, or some personal beef with Lebron. But there seems to be a pattern.

[Jameerthefear]

what?
headass

[Rodmantheman]

headass

What?

[kennethgriffin]

1st foul = tripping. lebron was moving his foot into georges path ( correct )

2nd foul = out of position. riding him on a drive not in defensive position ( correct )

3rd foul = lowers shoulder and arm into defender and absolutely runs right through him ( correct )

4th foul = lebron puts his hand up admitting he fouled him. no argument ( correct )

5th foul = easy call.. impeding progress of stephenson. falling over into him and holding him with his arm ( correct )



and you know whats even funnier OP? lebron still didnt foul out. cause he never fouls out.

kobe played with 5 fouls countless times in his career.

[Jameerthefear]

What?
headass

[Rodmantheman]

headass

http://i.imgur.com/XXpax.jpg

[LongLiveTheKing]

1st foul = tripping. lebron was moving his foot into georges path ( correct )

2nd foul = out of position. riding him on a drive not in defensive position ( correct )

3rd foul = lowers shoulder and arm into defender and absolutely runs right through him ( correct )

4th foul = lebron puts his hand up admitting he fouled him. no argument ( correct )

5th foul = easy call.. impeding progress of stephenson. falling over into him and holding him with his arm ( correct )



and you know whats even funnier OP? lebron still didnt foul out. cause he never fouls out.

kobe played with 5 fouls countless times in his career.
I'm sure you're totally unbiased

[j3lademaster]

1st foul: Usually when a player trips trying to split a doubleteam, refs will give the ballhandler the benefit of the doubt and assume he was tripped. You see this all the time even when the player just slips. What I'm confused with is why Chris Bosh doesn't put his hand up right away when he hears that whistle.

2nd foul: I hate this call. I hate it when Bran, Wade, Durant, Griffin, CP3, etc benefit from it and I hated it when Lebron got called for it. But roleplayers get called for these kinds of fouls all the time, so yes it's a consistent call but one I'd like to see the league call less of in general.

3rd: clear as day foul.

4th: Need to see another angle. I think during the game they showed an angle where it did look like Bran touches Hibbert on the wrist. Worst part of this is that it's Lebron's 4th and Bosh doesn't raise his hand to try to claim the foul.

5th: The only real BS call imo. Should have been on Lance or no-call.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm sure you're totally unbiased


at most the only questionable foul was the tripping. could have been called on either guy

you're just shocked cause you're finally seeing what other defenders get called for not named lebron. those are the actual rules


you should notice them cause lebron is usually the benefactor of thousands of calls just like them

[Droid101]

Gif by gif breakdown of all of them.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24575574/gif-by-gif-breakdown-of-leron-james-game-5-fouls



Heat forward Lebron James was wracked with foul trouble in Game 5 vs. the Pacers, playing only 24 minutes as the Heat lost 93-90. He finished 2 of 10 from the field for seven points, four assists, with three turnovers. Foul trouble had him off his game the entire night, and, along with his decision to not take the final shot, that foul trouble will be the source of conversation over the next two days until Game 6 in Miami.

It's also notable because James simply almost never fouls that often. James had finished with five or six fouls just 11 times in his entire playoff career entering Wednesday. Let's take a look at the fouls, just to see how the best player in the world got sent to the pine.


Foul No. 1: 6:12, 1st quarter

First up, your routine tripping play. You can argue (as I'm sure James would) that he was just standing there and that the contact is incidental.

You can debate, but typically when a player gets tripped, a foul gets called. Verdict: Not bad.



Foul No. 2: 2:43, 1st quarter

Foul 2 was pretty awful. George Hill drives past James and James goes for the chasedown. There's just not a lot of contact on this play.

Verdict: Bad call.


Foul No. 3: 6:03, 2nd quarter

Foul 3 is the one to get up in arms about. James gets the ball off an offensive rebound and attacks. Paul George steps up to meet him and as he's entering position, starts to flop.

This angle shows it better. George has clearly not gotten position and is still moving when James makes contact. Not just his feet, but his whole body. He hasn't established position. You can argue that James lowers the shoulder, but based on the dynamics of the play, the only way for him to try and stop himself is to lean forward and move back with his hips.

I will say this last angle is interesting. I slowed it down, and when you watch it, you'll know that George actually has established position, albeit leaning, when James makes contact.

Regardless, that's a bang-bang play. It happens, but the fact that George had to recover, move up on him, and then go backwards suggests some funky physics.

Verdict: Coin-flip call, but contextually surprising.



Foul No. 4: 11:39, 3rd quarter

He reaches in on Hibbert. This one is not hard. He even raises his hand to indicate it. This one he owns. It was just a bad decision.

Verdict: Bad decision, good call.



Foul No. 5: 8:34, 3rd quarter

Finally, Foul 5. Lance Stephenson gets right up under him and reaches around his back to knock the ball loose. There's a scramble, and both players make contact trying to get around the other one to get the ball.

You can call a foul on Stephenson, you can let it go, you can call a foul on LeBron. Why did LeBron get tagged in this mess? Because there's no interference with either one's path, until James makes contact with his body in front of Stephenson before he's in range of the ball. Watch.

He edges in front of him and makes contact with the body, but you can't really see it from the side. Now take a look at the front angle, slowed down.

James has a right to go for the ball but not by interrupting the path of Stephenson. That's what got him tagged with it. Still. It's a loose ball. Not sure a foul call is the right move there, given the stakes.

The final count? One good call, one straight-up bad call, two bang-bang plays, and one stretch of physics.

This doesn't change the result of Game 5, which the Heat had a chance to win. But it's also clear that while James picking up five fouls may seem ridiculous on the surface, the actual calls were much closer.

[Beastmode88]

does this excuse his 2/10 performance? :confusedshrug:

[Dengness9]

you guys are ****ing cry babies.....you wont even watch the Heat in a year or two....whenever they break up or when Wade's body gets overtaken by an unstoppable herpes flair up.


:cry:

[Rodmantheman]

does this excuse his 2/10 performance? :confusedshrug:

Hell yeah he hardly got any rhythm and Paul George had lots of energy late in the game because he didn't need to guard lebron for a big part of the game.

[Beastmode88]

Hell yeah he hardly got any rhythm and Paul George had lots of energy late in the game because he didn't need to guard lebron for a big part of the game.

what about the airball when they needed those pts? or the pass to bosh?

[Marchesk]

This doesn't change the result of Game 5, which the Heat had a chance to win. But it's also clear that while James picking up five fouls may seem ridiculous on the surface, the actual calls were much closer..

Not buying it. Couldn't you pick any game at random and have Lebron in on those kind of plays where he's usually not called for a foul?

[Marchesk]

does this excuse his 2/10 performance? :confusedshrug:

No, but it's clear he was taken out of the game by having to sit, and then worrying about picking up the 6th in the fourth.

I hate Lebron and Miami, but this was some fishy BS. Still glad Indiana won though.

[Droid101]

Not buying it. Couldn't you pick any game at random and have Lebron in on those kind of plays where he's usually not called for a foul?
I don't know. I didn't do that write up and I don't watch him off the ball that much during games on defense.

But when he gets driven at, usually he ducks out of the way or goes for the sure-thing blocks. He almost never tries to take a foul.

[Rodmantheman]

what about the airball when they needed those pts? or the pass to bosh?

I agree Lebron had a bad offensive game but the Heat really missed his play making and Defense in the second half. They held up in the first half without him put couldn't in the second half mainly the 3rd quarter.

[Marchesk]

But when he gets driven at, usually he ducks out of the way or goes for the sure-thing blocks. He almost never tries to take a foul.

I just don't think three of those would normally be called on him. Well, maybe one in any given game, but not three in the same game.

[ZMonkey11]

Lebeej getting leKarma for all his LeFlops. Deal with it. You guys are going to the Finals anyways. If it was really fair, he would foul out of every game from here on out.

[GODbe]

The calls were legit.

[mark henson 123]

if he get s :coleman: called for no fouls in game six
the pacers fixed game 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ai2death]

I see his learning from Wade trying to pull Stevenson back after he tapped it out, hilarious how he questions the foul, dude pulled him back 3 times.

Sometimes people get in foul trouble when they play, simple as that. Hell, he's only fouled out like twice in his entire career.

[mark henson 123]

the game was fixed for pacers to win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:coleman:

[Droid101]

If the game was really rigged, the refs would not have allowed whatever transpired in the last minute to get the Heat within two. They would have called something to keep the lead at 4+.

[mark henson 123]

If the game was really rigged, the refs would not have allowed whatever transpired in the last minute to get the Heat within two. They would have called something to keep the lead at 4+.
I beat leborn drops 40
and the heat win by 15!:coleman:

[Marchesk]

Hell, he's only fouled out like twice in his entire career.

Wilt 0 > Lebron 2

[Dro]

I thought the 1st 2 were obviously NOT fouls.....The rest could have gone either way.....

[Jailblazers7]

That PG charge call was laughably bad. George literally dove sideways into Lebron with his body diagonal and his feet barely touching the ground. One of the worst charge calls I've ever seen.

[Droid101]

That PG charge call was laughably bad. George literally dove sideways into Lebron with his body diagonal and his feet barely touching the ground. One of the worst charge calls I've ever seen.
No it wasn't. Go read the link I posted. Paul gets set (even though he's leaning) and bran lowers his shoulder. Seriously, go look.

[Trollsmasher]

That PG charge call was laughably bad. George literally dove sideways into Lebron with his body diagonal and his feet barely touching the ground. One of the worst charge calls I've ever seen.
that was the most lateral LGP I have ever seen:lol

No it wasn't. Go read the link I posted. Paul gets set (even though he's leaning) and bran lowers his shoulder. Seriously, go look.
well, since it was written by some Matt Moore, we better all believe it:lol

[Phenith]

1st foul = tripping. lebron was moving his foot into georges path ( correct )

2nd foul = out of position. riding him on a drive not in defensive position ( correct )

3rd foul = lowers shoulder and arm into defender and absolutely runs right through him ( correct )

4th foul = lebron puts his hand up admitting he fouled him. no argument ( correct )

5th foul = easy call.. impeding progress of stephenson. falling over into him and holding him with his arm ( correct )



and you know whats even funnier OP? lebron still didnt foul out. cause he never fouls out.

kobe played with 5 fouls countless times in his career.

I agree on 1st one
2nd one is a bad call but it's a call he would get so...
3rd one is a 50/50, but is a call that LBJ would usually get in his favor.
4th one he puts his hand up to take the foul, but it was a very ticky tack foul, the kind of foul he doesn't usually get, but he knew it was in the script so he put his hand up.
5th one should be a no call, Stephenson was almost climbing LeBron's back to get to the ball (of course he is impeding his progress when he is between him and the ball).

All in all I think it's just the amount of calls that don't usually go against LBJ all happening in the same game that have the homers frustrated. Chalk it up to an off night, move on and close it out at home Heat fans.

[Jailblazers7]

No it wasn't. Go read the link I posted. Paul gets set (even though he's leaning) and bran lowers his shoulder. Seriously, go look.

I did read it. And I watch the play live plus a dozen replays. It was a bad call.

[bigkingsfan]

They will make it up in game 6.

[tanner892]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.

[Rose'sACL]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.
what is wrong with you? get your eyes checked.

[sd3035]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.

http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[GoSpursGo1984]

Leflop fans complaining about fouls if that is not hypocritical I do not know what is

[Marchesk]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.

2 - Nah. George initiated contact. Don't know why that was a foul. Didn't see Lebron do anything wrong there. What, are defenders supposed to back off their man when they drive to the hoop? Give me a break.

3 - This is more iffy, but George is clearly moving into Lebron's path. Only thing that makes it questionable is Lebron lowering his shoulder. But George is not set.

4. I didn't see Lebron touch Hibbert. If he did, it was minimal. Should have been a no call. No idea why Lebron raised his hand on that.

5. That could go either way. Probably should have been a no call, as they collided with each other while going for the ball. Very iffy call.

[inclinerator]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.

doesnt it all happening to lebron in just a few minutes of play seems awkward at all? especially in a playoff game?

[BigBoss]

OP

http://www.kids-center.org/images/10401537/image001.jpg

[Derka]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Miami's gonna win the series, dude. Quit crying.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

anyone saying lebron asnt raped in an alley by the refs yesterday needs to be permabanned:biggums:

[Ai2death]

anyone saying lebron asnt raped in an alley by the refs yesterday needs to be permabanned:biggums:

How could he be raped by the refs? You're blocking any chance of that ever happening.

[AintNoSunshine]

Let's just say the league is milking the series, clear as daylight.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

How could he be raped by the refs? You're blocking any chance of that ever happening.
so your saying im raping a 265 pounds silverback gorilla??
damn im alpha:bowdown: :bowdown:

[iamgine]

No it wasn't. Go read the link I posted. Paul gets set (even though he's leaning) and bran lowers his shoulder. Seriously, go look.
That....is not set at all....

If that is called set then it would be very easy to take a charge.

[Ai2death]

so your saying im raping a 265 pounds silverback gorilla??
damn im alpha:bowdown: :bowdown:

No, I was saying your head up his ass will block all ass traffic

[LongLiveTheKing]

anyone saying lebron asnt raped in an alley by the refs yesterday needs to be permabanned:biggums:
Yup Heat in 6

[plowking]

If the game was really rigged, the refs would not have allowed whatever transpired in the last minute to get the Heat within two. They would have called something to keep the lead at 4+.

What? You mean like giving George a free throw and the ball back when they had a 1 point lead and 15 seconds to go? Essentially allowing them to get a 2 point lead and the ball back, hence making it a two point game after they make 2 free throws again of the inbound?
Or how about giving a ball that clearly went off of George to the Pacers?

And there isn't a person in the world who can justify that charge call. George's feet are next to Bron when he takes the contact. His body is freaking diagonal. Yes, you can be moving and still get a charge, but you have to have position. There is no way, under any circumstance that on that play you can call a charge.

[plowking]

2 - Nah. George initiated contact. Don't know why that was a foul. Didn't see Lebron do anything wrong there. What, are defenders supposed to back off their man when they drive to the hoop? Give me a break.

3 - This is more iffy, but George is clearly moving into Lebron's path. Only thing that makes it questionable is Lebron lowering his shoulder. But George is not set.

4. I didn't see Lebron touch Hibbert. If he did, it was minimal. Should have been a no call. No idea why Lebron raised his hand on that.

5. That could go either way. Probably should have been a no call, as they collided with each other while going for the ball. Very iffy call.

Exactly. On the fifth foul, there is actually no contact to stipulate calling a foul. Nothing really happened. If anything there was contact at the start of the play. There really wasn't any when the ball was jumped after by both players.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Couple of those are not really fouls (on Lebron) yea.. but when it goes the other way around y'all Lebron stans don't even speak.

[Dro]

What? You mean like giving George a free throw and the ball back when they had a 1 point lead and 15 seconds to go? Essentially allowing them to get a 2 point lead and the ball back, hence making it a two point game after they make 2 free throws again of the inbound?
Or how about giving a ball that clearly went off of George to the Pacers?

And there isn't a person in the world who can justify that charge call. George's feet are next to Bron when he takes the contact. His body is freaking diagonal. Yes, you can be moving and still get a charge, but you have to have position. There is no way, under any circumstance that on that play you can call a charge.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that Battier was holding George before the pass was even made.....:rolleyes:

[plowking]

So you're just going to ignore the fact that Battier was holding George before the pass was even made.....:rolleyes:

This is the exact point. It's basketball, and people expect no contact. You got the ball anyway. Then you got a free throw and the ball back on what was clearly a no call, and if anything, should have gone the other way.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to say the Heat got screwed. They did, plain and simple. There is no justification for at least 3 of the 5 calls on Lebron. Then you look at the foul count, the free throws... I mean, seriously.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

This is the exact point. It's basketball, and people expect no contact. You got the ball anyway. Then you got a free throw and the ball back on what was clearly a no call, and if anything, should have gone the other way.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to say the Heat got screwed. They did, plain and simple. There is no justification for at least 3 of the 5 calls on Lebron. Then you look at the foul count, the free throws... I mean, seriously.
normally when someone complains about the refs publically they swallow their whistle for that team next game.
not so for the Pacers, since they are the Heats opponents:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Leftimage]

Scenario 1. This particular set of refs are LeBron haters in real life, like many of the posters on this forum. Their bias carried over, simple as that.

Scenario 2. The commish ordered a game 6.

Both scenarios deplorable, of course.

[SpaceJammeR]

you can hate lebron all you want, but at least be honest with yourselves. those were ridiculous calls against lebron. so ridiculous that you know this game must be rigged. how many bad calls can someone get in very little amount of time, after paul george complained about the refs. you guys are not basketball fans and watch basketball only to hate on bron. shame on you.

[Ancient Legend]

you can hate lebron all you want, but at least be honest with yourselves. those were ridiculous calls against lebron. so ridiculous that you know this game must be rigged. how many bad calls can someone get in very little amount of time, after paul george complained about the refs. you guys are not basketball fans and watch basketball only to hate on bron. shame on you.

Any objective fan would agree with you.

Personally I think the league wanted to extend the series for one more game.

Just think of the additional revenue each game gives not only to the NBA (ads, tickets, etc) but also local sports bars, people who watch the game at home buying pizzas, beer etc. Millions of dollars that otherwise would not have been spent for a game 6.

[Rondo]

Or how about giving a ball that clearly went off of George to the Pacers?

"Clearly" off George? Nonsense. There was one angle that strongly suggested the last touch was off of Floppier but ultimately it was inconclusive either way and the decision to go with the original call was 100% the correct one.

I love seeing cHeat fans bitching about refs. The indignity of it.

[ILLsmak]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.

2 and 4 were extra soft.

-Smak

[JohnFreeman]

I would hate if this officiating happened to any superstar, apart from Durant.

[Hoopz2332]

Foul 1 - trips him

Foul 2 - clearly bumps him whilst running sideways, that's a foul everytime?

Foul 3 - drops shoulder and extends his off hand how is that not an offensive foul?

Foul 4 - he hits Hibberts arm as he raises up and even puts his hand up afterwards in acknowledgment? You cant make any contact on someones arm whilst they are raising up to score, even if u glance him, it's always a foul.

Foul 5 - the dude friggen jumps under lances feet bowling him over?

What's wrong with you people.


negative....bballbreakdown vid with Ronnie Nunn (former NBA official) says 3 out of 5 fouls were clearly bad

LeBron James Foul Trouble: Was Heat Pacers Game 5 Rigged?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8h9TX6HAh4&hd=1


Coach Nick and 19 year NBA referee Ronnie Nunn break down all 5 foul calls on LeBron James, as well as analyzing the flops by Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson, in Game 5 of the 2014 Eastern Conference Finals.

[secund2nun]

The NBA is pathetic as always...trying to rig series to go as long as possible.

[Hoopz2332]

they buttf**ked lebron so he couldn't stay on the floor and hoped the heat would lose to stretch the series.:coleman:

[HurricaneKid]

"Clearly" off George? Nonsense. There was one angle that strongly suggested the last touch was off of Floppier but ultimately it was inconclusive either way and the decision to go with the original call was 100% the correct one.

I love seeing cHeat fans bitching about refs. The indignity of it.

That is only because the announcers don't know the rules. You can call it one of two ways. One is to say Battier hit the ball first and then it went off George's hand. The other is to say it was in Battier's hand when George struck it and it went out of bounds having been touched last by both of them together. EITHER WAY, rules dictate that it is off the second person to contact the ball which was George in this case. What you CANNOT say is that Battier hit it, then it hit George, then Battier hit it again to knock it out. That is some straight up magical bullit JFK shit.

Indy ended up shooting 30 more FTs in the series. There is immense irony in what you are saying (Heat fans bitching about refs). Miami was not in the top half of the league in FTAs/Gm in the regular season. They are 15th out of 16 teams in postseason FTAs/gm. The only team with fewer FTAs/gm is Dallas and thats because they played in one series against SA who simply doesn't give up FTAs.

[alleykat]

They won so it doesn't really matter all that much, at least if you're a heat fan...