Shaq calls Wade "that other guy" in all his championships

[The_Yearning]

TNT after show, Shaq says "Wade doesn't mind being that other guy, he's been that other guy in all of his championships" (including the one in 2006)

Which I kinda agree with. The NBA wanted to make Wade a superstar before he became a superstar by giving him 20 free throws a game.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Wade had the GOAT finals performance. Deal with it

[JohnFreeman]

Wade carried Shaqs fat ass

[Warfan]

:facepalm
06 wade was a fukcing beast, yes shaqs presence definitely helped wade but he was the best player on that championship team.

[moe94]

06 Wade > 06 Shaq

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade was better than Shaq in 2006, but ...


Wade had the GOAT finals performance. Deal with it

:oldlol:

[imdaman99]

2006 was as asterisk as it gets... but yeah Wade was beast.

[Milbuck]

Wade had the GOAT finals performance.
http://media.tumblr.com/fafba8223db3be709eed3dde2698329b/tumblr_inline_mg4mbsjHfP1ry4qim.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

GOAT may be an exaggeration but can't deny it's up there

[Threethrows]

Shaq is cringe worthy listening to him. Most people consider him at least a top 3 center of a all time but that's not enough for him. The one thing Shaq loves more than anything is Shaq. I wish he wasn't on the TNT crew.

[BasedTom]

Shaq is ridiculous at times. He has this smiling Hollywood persona, but upon further inspection, it seems like he's VERY insecure. How many times has he derailed the fun TNT banter with a dead serious "Kiss the rings, Chuck" type of response?

Look, I'm not a hater, but Shaq does not get enough shit for his diva antics. We all know he was dominant as hell in his prime, but anybody who watched the Miami Heat when he played for them knows that this was not the same guy. He forced Stan Van Gundy out of the organization and flat out gave up on the team after the championship run.

Wade carried that team. When he went down in 05, it was over.

[dreamwarrior]

Shaq was putting up Dwight Howard numbers in 2006. Not the dominant force he was in his prime but still respectable. He was more involved than people give him credit for. Wade was the man but they couldn't have won it without Shaq.

[navy]

Wade was better than Shaq every year they played together.

[navy]

Shaq was putting up Dwight Howard numbers in 2006. Not the dominant force he was in his prime but still respectable. He was more involved than people give him credit for. Wade was the man but they couldn't have won it without Shaq.
Doesnt matter. Shaq was clearly that other guy in the 05 playoffs and the 06 playoffs.

[Real14]

Shaq iz actually being honest here.

[inclinerator]

he obviously mean 2012 and 13

[DaSeba5]

Wade was the best player when Shaq was here. They lost game 7 to the Pistons after Wade got injured in the ECF and he had one of the best Final performances ever.

[BasedTom]

Shaq iz actually being honest here.
Piss off. You don't really believe that.

Which I kinda agree with. The NBA wanted to make Wade a superstar before he became a superstar by giving him 20 free throws a game.
Like with James Harden? Kevin Durant?

[Real14]

Piss off. You don't really believe that.

Like with James Harden? Kevin Durant?
Truth hurtz tommy?:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2510633/wadebrow.gif

[BasedTom]

Truth hurtz tommy?:oldlol:
You want to know what hurtz? In the last 10 years the Heat have accomplished more than the Knicks have in the last 40. The Heat have only even existed as a team for 25 years.

Melo is still ringless, James Dolan is still the owner, and delusional knicks fans will still talk shit even though they always wind up being completely wrong. Never change, wilds
:cheers:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2510633/wadebrow.gif
dat Jaw doe:biggums:

[Real14]

You want to know what hurtz? In the last 10 years the Heat have accomplished more than the Knicks have in the last 40. The Heat have only even existed as a team for 25 years.

Melo is still ringless, James Dolan is still the owner, and delusional knicks fans will still talk shit even though they always wind up being completely wrong. Never change, wilds
:cheers:
How many ringz tha heat earned? Knicks still leads 3-2 in playoff matchupz too.

[miggyme1]

You want to know what hurtz? In the last 10 years the Heat have accomplished more than the Knicks have in the last 40. The Heat have only even existed as a team for 25 years.

Melo is still ringless, James Dolan is still the owner, and delusional knicks fans will still talk shit even though they always wind up being completely wrong. Never change, wilds
:cheers:


and 10 years from now wont anybody remember what years the heat won their ships...every real nba fan knows what years the lakers won their ships..same for the celtics,spurs....bulls....etc.even if they not a fan of that team.notice how people always say knicks havent won the ship since whatt 73? but notice how people remember how long its been...i call that REAL FANS

heat have become "AMERICAS BANDWAGON" team...95% of heat fans dont know lebron made it to the finals in 2007.....75% of heat fans dont know that dwayne wade has been a finals mvp before.....85% of heat fans think this is beasley first year with the team....last but not least 5% of heat fans are real fans

[Inferno]

he obviously mean 2012 and 13

Yeah

[The_Yearning]

he obviously mean 2012 and 13

He actually took a pause after he said that like he was about to correct himself and say only '12 and '13 but then his eyes kind of rolled and continued on. I'm pretty sure he means all championships.

[BasedTom]

and 10 years from now wont anybody remember what years the heat won their ships...every real nba fan knows what years the lakers won their ships..same for the celtics,spurs....bulls....etc.even if they not a fan of that team.notice how people always say knicks havent won the ship since whatt 73? but notice how people remember how long its been...i call that REAL FANS

heat have become "AMERICAS BANDWAGON" team...95% of heat fans dont know lebron made it to the finals in 2007.....75% of heat fans dont know that dwayne wade has been a finals mvp before.....85% of heat fans think this is beasley first year with the team....last but not least 5% of heat fans are real fans
Got a source for any of those statistics and cool facts? Or are you just pulling them out of your ass?

There's always a bandwagon team- if those cvnts in purple in gold weren't so hilariously shit, it'd still probably be them. I don't give a shit if fakkit bandwagoners in Iowa or whatever god-forsaken state decide to dickride Lebron James and the Heat because I've supported the team for years before Lebron came and I still will after he's gone.

How many ringz tha heat earned? Knicks still leads 3-2 in playoff matchupz too.
I hope you're not trying to bitch about refs or anything like that, because Stern rigged the lottery for the Knicks in '85 and you STILL didn't win shit. And it's the Knicks fault that they sucked too much ass to make it into the playoffs in this weak as hell year. They could have been in the same position as the Nets, but they just sucked too much at the end once again.

[SexSymbol]

Wade's finals performance isn't even top 5, that series was more rigged and 02 lal-sac or 12 bos-mia

[GimmeThat]

attention doesn't win championships

it might win you some free throws

:roll:

[Nikola_]

well he meant on the last two not 2006

[IllegalD]

Well, people say Gasol was the true MVP/most important player during the 09-10 back-to-back Lakers championship run.

Gasol's numbers during 2009 playoffs:

18.9 PTS, 9.6 TRB, 57% FG

Gasol's numbers during 2010 playoffs:

18.3 PTS, 11.3 TRB, 54% FG

Shaq's numbers during 2006 playoffs:

18.4 PTS, 9.8 TRB, 61% FG :eek:

Thus Shaq was more important than Wade was for the 2006 championship run. Even a past his prime Shaq is better than a prime Gasol and drew so much attention that it opened things up for Wade to exploit the referees.

[Lebronxrings]

06 wade>Kobe

[PsychoWorm]

wade scored 34ppg vs shaqs 14ppg against dallas in the finals.

shaq was shooting like 30% on free throws they couldnt go to him that much.

[red1]

Well, people say Gasol was the true MVP/most important player during the 09-10 back-to-back Lakers championship run.

Gasol's numbers during 2009 playoffs:

18.9 PTS, 9.6 TRB, 57% FG

Gasol's numbers during 2010 playoffs:

18.3 PTS, 11.3 TRB, 54% FG

Shaq's numbers during 2006 playoffs:

18.4 PTS, 9.8 TRB, 61% FG :eek:

Thus Shaq was more important than Wade was for the 2006 championship run. Even a past his prime Shaq is better than a prime Gasol and drew so much attention that it opened things up for Wade to exploit the referees.
no

[IllegalD]

wade scored 34ppg vs shaqs 14ppg against dallas in the finals.

shaq was shooting like 30% on free throws they couldnt go to him that much.

:no:

Wade 2006 Playoffs:

28.4 PPG, 5.9 TRB, 5.7 AST, 50% FG

Kobe 2009 Playoffs:

30.2 PPG, 5.3 TRB, 5.5 AST, 46% FG

Kobe's 2010 Playoffs:

29.2 PPG, 6 TRB, 5.5 AST, 46% FG

Virtually the same. If Gasol is MVP/Most Important of those 2 championships with the same numbers as Shaq, then Shaq is the Most Important of the 2006 championship run.

[red1]

:no:

Wade 2006 Playoffs:

28.4 PPG, 5.9 TRB, 5.7 AST, 50% FG

Kobe 2009 Playoffs:

30.2 PPG, 5.3 TRB, 5.5 AST, 46% FG

Kobe's 2010 Playoffs:

29.2 PPG, 6 TRB, 5.5 AST, 46% FG

Virtually the same. If Gasol is MVP/Most Important of those 2 championships with the same numbers as Shaq, then Shaq is the Most Important of the 2006 championship run.
well well well if it isnt another insecure chuckbe stans. gtfo you homo

[Dresta]

Shaq was putting up Dwight Howard numbers in 2006. Not the dominant force he was in his prime but still respectable. He was more involved than people give him credit for. Wade was the man but they couldn't have won it without Shaq.So? What team would win without their second best guy playing? But replace him with Pau of 09-10 and they win the title more comfortably than they did, as he is a upgrade on both ends of the floor in 06 finals (or even playoffs) Shaq. Here's his 'Dwight Howard' numbers for you:

http://i61.tinypic.com/fvl7h4.png

Shaq was so useless in that series that in game 6 he was benched for Zo, who put up 8 points, 6 boards and 5 blocks in his 15 minutes to help close out the series. Shaq was a liability for more of the series than he was not; he wasn't even the second top scorer on the team.

For Shaq to call him 'that other guy' when he openly deferred to Wade, personally handed him the finals mvp, and happily called him the best player in the world, just shows what an immature and narcissistic piece of shit he is.

What happened in 06/07 in the playoffs Shaq? When Wade could barely play he went and put up the same kind of numbers he was in the 06 playoffs, and they got swept by the Bulls, because that Miami Heat team from the 05 playoffs onwards was Wade, and the 06 finals was a one man show.

[IllegalD]

well well well if it isnt another insecure chuckbe stans. gtfo you homo

Well well well. Another hypocritical, obsessed Kobe hater expressing his repressed sexuality in peculiar ways. :lol

[IllegalD]

So? What team would win without their second best guy playing? But replace him with Pau of 09-10 and they win the title more comfortably than they did, as he is a upgrade on both ends of the floor in 06 finals (or even playoffs) Shaq. Here's his 'Dwight Howard' numbers for you:

http://i61.tinypic.com/fvl7h4.png

Shaq was so useless in that series that in game 6 he was benched for Zo, who put up 8 points, 6 boards and 5 blocks in his 15 minutes to help close out the series. Shaq was a liability for more of the series than he was not; he wasn't even the second top scorer on the team.

For Shaq to call him 'that other guy' when he openly deferred to Wade, personally handed him the finals mvp, and happily called him the best player in the world, just shows what an immature and narcissistic piece of shit he is.

What happened in 06/07 in the playoffs Shaq? When Wade could barely play he went and put up the same kind of numbers he was in the 06 playoffs, and they got swept by the Bulls, because that Miami Heat team from the 05 playoffs onwards was Wade, and the 06 finals was a one man show.

Shaq 14 and 10 on 61% FG. :eek:

Dat Gasol-like dominance. :bowdown:

Just imagine if he would've gotten more shots.

Wade shooting sub 50%.

[red1]

Well well well. Another hypocritical, obsessed Kobe hater expressing his repressed sexuality in peculiar ways. :lol
Why do you think kobe has so many haters? It's not because of what he does on the court or because of the rape charges he catches off of the court. It's because of girthless f*gg*ts like you. Now gtfo

[Dresta]

Well, people say Gasol was the true MVP/most important player during the 09-10 back-to-back Lakers championship run.

Gasol's numbers during 2009 playoffs:

18.9 PTS, 9.6 TRB, 57% FG

Gasol's numbers during 2010 playoffs:

18.3 PTS, 11.3 TRB, 54% FG

Shaq's numbers during 2006 playoffs:

18.4 PTS, 9.8 TRB, 61% FG :eek:

Thus Shaq was more important than Wade was for the 2006 championship run. Even a past his prime Shaq is better than a prime Gasol and drew so much attention that it opened things up for Wade to exploit the referees.
FG% doesn't mean very much when a guy is shooting less than 30% from the FT line and most of your points are coming from dunks.

We're talking about the finals here as well. 10 finals, Kobe: 28/8/4/2 steals on 53 TS% (ORTG 108 DRTG 99), Gasol 19/12/4/3 blocks on 56% TS (ORTG 122 DRTG 101).

06 Wade: 35/8/4/3steals/1bpg on 57TS% (ORTG 113 DRTG 97), Shaq 14/10/3 (ORTG 95 DRTG 99) and less than one block (less than Wade!) on 53TS%.

There is no comparison. Miami were actually worse with Shaq on the floor than with Zo, so so much for the 'Wade did well because of focus on Shaq' argument regularly made by complete and utter imbeciles on this site.

[IllegalD]

Why do you think kobe has so many haters? It's not because of what he does on the court or because of the rape charges he catches off of the court. It's because of girthless f*gg*ts like you. Now gtfo

Typical butthurt Craptor fan. Kobe has shitted on your teams so many times you've probably sought out therapy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P4SVFG7a8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lEgFnNwPzY

:roll:

[Dresta]

Shaq 14 and 10 on 61% FG. :eek:

Dat Gasol-like dominance. :bowdown:

Just imagine if he would've gotten more shots.

Wade shooting sub 50%.
He was shooting less than 30% from the line and that made him an offensive liability you ****ing dense piece of shit. Wade was actually comfortably more efficient than Shaq in the points he produced per possession use.

[IllegalD]

FG% doesn't mean very much when a guy is shooting less than 30% from the FT line and most of your points are coming from dunks.

We're talking about the finals here as well. 10 finals, Kobe: 28/8/4/2 steals on 53 TS% (ORTG 108 DRTG 99), Gasol 19/12/4/3 blocks on 56% TS (ORTG 122 DRTG 101).

06 Wade: 35/8/4/3steals/1bpg on 57TS% (ORTG 113 DRTG 97), Shaq 14/10/3 (ORTG 95 DRTG 99) and less than one block (less than Wade!) on 53TS%.

There is no comparison. Miami were actually worse with Shaq on the floor than with Zo, so so much for the 'Wade did well because of focus on Shaq' argument regularly made by complete and utter imbeciles on this site.

No. YOU'RE talking about the finals, because the cherry-picking fits your agenda. There are 4 rounds in an NBA championship run, which is what Shaq was talking about. Typical Kobe-haters forced to backpedal once their double-standards are exposed.

[IllegalD]

He was shooting less than 30% from the line and that made him an offensive liability you ****ing dense piece of shit. Wade was actually comfortably more efficient than Shaq in the points he produced per possession use.

Shaq has always been a liability at the FT line... :confusedshrug:

[red1]

He was shooting less than 30% from the line and that made him an offensive liability you ****ing dense piece of shit. Wade was actually comfortably more efficient than Shaq in the points he produced per possession use.
Im not even trolling when I say that gasol had a legit claim to finals mvp over kobe not that I would give it to him. Shaq and wade were in two different stratospheres for their finals series together. Meanwhile 2010 gasol may not have been the leader of the team but there is no denying that his defensive impact and production was on the same level as kobe if not slightly more important in a series with a hobbled kg.

[Day La Ghetto]

Van Grundy and Jackson were talking about how wade is 3rd best SG ever and they brought up that he won the 2006 by himself Saturday.Shaq had to of heard that,they were talking about for 5min straight....

[IllegalD]

Van Grundy and Jackson were talking about how wade is 3rd best SG ever and they brought up that he won the 2006 by himself Saturday.Shaq had to of heard that,they were talking about for 5min straight....

What's closer to the truth? That Wade won it "BY HIMSELF" or that he was the other guy?

He DEFINITELY didn't win it by himself seeing as he had a lot of help from the refs and Shaq put up prime Gasol numbers on 60+% shooting.

[red1]

Van Grundy and Jackson were talking about how wade is 3rd best SG ever and they brought up that he won the 2006 by himself Saturday.Shaq had to of heard that,they were talking about for 5min straight....
that's probably it. shaq has already shown that he is the type to catch feelings

[All Net]

Shows how stupid Shaq really is.

[secund2nun]

Shaq was the best player on the 06 title team despite most people believing the opposite. This is why after Shaq left prime Wade couldn't even advance past the first round once in the East until Lebron joined.

With that said Wade is the 2nd best SG of all time.

[secund2nun]

Im not even trolling when I say that gasol had a legit claim to finals mvp over kobe not that I would give it to him. Shaq and wade were in two different stratospheres for their finals series together. Meanwhile 2010 gasol may not have been the leader of the team but there is no denying that his defensive impact and production was on the same level as kobe if not slightly more important in a series with a hobbled kg.

Gasol was no doubt the real 09 and 10 finals MVP.

[red1]

Shaq was the best player on the 06 title team despite most people believing the opposite. This is why after Shaq left prime Wade couldn't even advance past the first round once in the East until Lebron joined.

With that said Wade is the 2nd best SG of all time.
not at all. he couldnt advance because his supporting casts were awful and he lost to solid teams. the celtics made the finals in 2010 and the hawks were a balanced team in 09

[IllegalD]

not at all. he couldnt advance because his supporting casts were awful and he lost to solid teams. the celtics made the finals in 2010 and the hawks were a balanced team in 09

:no:

Those excuses weren't afforded to Kobe when Shaq was traded and he had sh*t teams until Gasol arrived. No flip-flopping now, Kobe-hater.

[red1]

:no:

Those excuses weren't afforded to Kobe when Shaq was traded and he had sh*t teams until Gasol arrived. No flip-flopping now, Kobe-hater.
Show me a single comment I made about kobe losing when he had shitty teams. Call him a rapist? Sure. Blame him for smush parker and kwame? Nah

[aboss4real24]

Kobe was "that other guy" Not wade

[aboss4real24]

:no:

Those excuses weren't afforded to Kobe when Shaq was traded and he had sh*t teams until Gasol arrived. No flip-flopping now, Kobe-hater.


Kobe choked a 3 1 lead to a suns team with no amare

[IllegalD]

Kobe choked a 3 1 lead to a suns team with no amare

LeBron in his prime with 2 other HOFs in their prime choked a Finals against a 1-Superstar team in the biggest upset in NBA Finals History.

[red1]

LeBron in his prime with 2 other HOFs in their prime choked a Finals against a 1-Superstar team in the biggest upset in NBA Finals History.
that was their first year together so they get a pass. reverse asterisk *

[ArbitraryWater]

Trying to make it look like he was the Leader on all 4 eh? lol

[IllegalD]

that was their first year together so they get a pass. reverse asterisk *

By this logic then the 2004 and 2013 Lakers also get a free pass.

:applause:

Dat Kobe-hater logic. :lol

[red1]

By this logic then the 2004 and 2013 Lakers also get a free pass.

:applause:

Dat Kobe-hater logic. :lol
nah they dont. kobe has been a documented rapist since 2003 so that cancels out the reverse asterisk.


denied

http://www.onlinepoker.net/poker-news/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Judge_Hammer.jpg

[secund2nun]

not at all. he couldnt advance because his supporting casts were awful and he lost to solid teams. the celtics made the finals in 2010 and the hawks were a balanced team in 09

The results say other wise.

2007-2008: Finished with a 10-40 record in games Wade played in. That's on Wade.

2008-2009: Finished as 5th seed and lost in the first round to the Hawks. The Hawks weren't that good and also why finish as lowly 5th seed in the East?

2009-2010: Finished as 5th seed again in the weak East and lost in 5 in first round to Boston.

Once again gotta finish better than a 5th seed especially if you are in your prime and apparently better than 2006 Shaq.

[red1]

The results say other wise.

2007-2008: Finished with a 10-40 record in games Wade played in. That's on Wade.

2008-2009: Finished as 5th seed and lost in the first round to the Hawks. The Hawks weren't that good and also why finish as lowly 5th seed in the East?

2009-2010: Finished as 5th seed again in the weak East and lost in 5 in first round to Boston.

Once again gotta finish better than a 5th seed especially if you are in your prime and apparently better than 2006 Shaq.
sorry bro but your argument is weak as hell. do you even remember the roster he played with? even making the playoffs was overachieving

[IllegalD]

sorry bro but your argument is weak as hell. do you even remember the roster he played with? even making the playoffs was overachieving

Not in the Leastern Conference.

[red1]

Kobe choked a 3 1 lead to a suns team with no amare
:lol great post

[secund2nun]

By this logic then the 2004 and 2013 Lakers also get a free pass.

:applause:

Dat Kobe-hater logic. :lol

LOL The LA core had been together for 6 years by 2004 including Kobe, Phil, and Shaq, The only difference was adding Malone and Payton.

Kobe got jealous at a far superior player in Shaq so he chucked the series away. Kobe= not even top 25 of all time

[secund2nun]

sorry bro but your argument is weak as hell. do you even remember the roster he played with? even making the playoffs was overachieving

You have consistency issues in your logic. On one hand you believe Wade carried a team to a ring in 2006 as a 24 year old yet later in his prime he could do no better than a 5th seed and a first round loss in the weak East.

[ArbitraryWater]

sorry bro but your argument is weak as hell. do you even remember the roster he played with? even making the playoffs was overachieving

Nah, bruh you really need to re-think that shit... Wade lost to an epic failure of a Hawks team.. he definitely should have beaten them for the year he had.

I mean, shit, LeBron's cast was marginally better and he swept them.

[rightsideup]

Shaq iz actually being honest here.no he is not. Wade was clearly the top performer on those teams. Shaq and Mourning were a great inside presence but dwade was crazy dominate some were calling him the best player in the world at that time.

[red1]

You have consistency issues in your logic. On one hand you believe Wade carried a team to a ring in 2006 as a 24 year old yet later in his prime he could do no better than a 5th seed and a first round loss in the weak East.
What? Where is the consistency issue? There is no denying that wade clearly had the superior finals between him and shaq. And there is also no denying the fact that rookie beasley was his second best player in the latter years.

[red1]

Nah, bruh you really need to re-think that shit... Wade lost to an epic failure of a Hawks team.. he definitely should have beaten them for the year he had.

I mean, shit, LeBron's cast was marginally better and he swept them.
That is where you are wrong. The mistake you are making is that you are assuming that lebron cast wasnt far superior to the roster wade had that year. Lebron 2009 cavs minus lebron were MUCH better than wade's heat minus wade.

[ArbitraryWater]

That is where you are wrong. The mistake you are making is that you are assuming that lebron cast wasnt far superior to the roster wade had that year. Lebron 2009 cavs minus lebron were MUCH better than wade's heat minus wade.

Ehh, I honestly believe thats LeBron being the leader/team player he is.. the +/- in 2009 was OFF THE CHARTS.

w/ LeBron: +15 w/o LeBron: -6.2

This team was extremely shitty against Orlando..

Game 1: Mo Williams 6 for 19 shooting, Delonte West 4 for 13 shooting, the Bench 2 for 7 shooting.....
Game 2: Mo Williams 7 for 21 shooting, the rest of the supporting cast played OK in game 2.....
Game 3: Delonte West 5 for 11, Mo Williams 5 for 16, Big Z 3 for 10, the Bench 4 for 10, garbage....
Game 4: Delonte West 7-15, Mo Williams 5-15, garbage....
Game 5: supporting cast finally shows up, Cavs win.....
Game 6: over at halftime the team played so bad.

They really werent all that good

[red1]

Ehh, I honestly believe thats LeBron being the leader/team player he is.. the +/- in 2009 was OFF THE CHARTS.

w/ LeBron: +15 w/o LeBron: -6.2

This team was extremely shitty against Orlando..

Game 1: Mo Williams 6 for 19 shooting, Delonte West 4 for 13 shooting, the Bench 2 for 7 shooting.....
Game 2: Mo Williams 7 for 21 shooting, the rest of the supporting cast played OK in game 2.....
Game 3: Delonte West 5 for 11, Mo Williams 5 for 16, Big Z 3 for 10, the Bench 4 for 10, garbage....
Game 4: Delonte West 7-15, Mo Williams 5-15, garbage....
Game 5: supporting cast finally shows up, Cavs win.....
Game 6: over at halftime the team played so bad.

They really werent all that good
they werent very talented but guys like delonte and varejao knew how to hustle on defense and fight for boards. the 2009 heat was the closest thing to a one man team I have ever seen in this league

[Doctor Rivers]

Why do you think kobe has so many haters? It's not because of what he does on the court or because of the rape charges he catches off of the court. It's because of girthless f*gg*ts like you. Now gtfo

u angry

[red1]

u angry
you one of dem girthless f*gg*ts?

[ILLsmak]

Shaq trollin' as usual.

-Smak

[dude77]

it's amazing the disrespect shaq gets on that team ..

the heat weren't even close to being a legit title contender before his arrival .. never had been ever before in fact .. were an average 4th seed the year before .. suddenly he's there and they're a legit title contending #1 seed and blowing by everyone in the first two rounds before getting bested by the defending champs .. then reaching the finals the next year .. that's not a coincidence ..

heat don't sniff any title without shaq .. although they might've lost the finals without wade going nuts

[stalkerforlife]

I'm a HUGE Jason Williams fan and I was very happy he started on that title team. HOWEVER, the series SEEMED rigged to me in favor of the Heat and Wade.

[red1]

I'm a HUGE Jason Williams fan and I was very happy he started on that title team. HOWEVER, the series SEEMED rigged to me in favor of the Heat and Wade.
bad officiating =/= rigged. dirk was a more established star at that time as well so why would they rig against him

[Akhenaten]

they werent very talented but guys like delonte and varejao knew how to hustle on defense and fight for boards. the 2009 heat was the closest thing to a one man team I have ever seen in this league

Yeah from 08-10 Cleveland had a top 1-4 rebounding and defensive team

those Heat teams were terrible in every way, no second option, crap shooters, last in rebounding, zero paint presence on D, low iq players, green ass coach.

Those Cleveland teams were ELITE (can't stress this enough) defensive and rebounding teams, we see how tremendous a difference a player like Ibaka makes for OKC despite the fact that WB and KD are two of the most elite talents you will find.

People never talk about rebounding and defense when they talk about a player having "help" they only look at offensive talent. Those Heat teams were far worse than what Kobe and Lebron had to play with.

FAR worse, only Tmac's Orlando teams compare in term of how overall garbage they were.

Just look at Cavs vs Celts in 08 where LBJ shot 35% with 5 turnovers per game and that series still went to 7 games with Boston barely winning because Cle held them to under 90 pts every game.

If Wade posts those type of numbers on that Heat team, they get swept EASILY.

[KBaller33]

That's disrespectful. At least give him credit for 2006. Probably has another FMVP is LeBron plays to 75% of his ability in 2011

[stalkerforlife]

bad officiating =/= rigged. dirk was a more established star at that time as well so why would they rig against him

Seemed like to me they wanted Wade, his good looks, and his clean image to be the face of the league.

Obviously, he no longer has a clean image after his dirty play, divorce, etc.

[ArbitraryWater]

bad officiating =/= rigged. dirk was a more established star at that time as well so why would they rig against him

wade and shaq were both more popular

[red1]

The refs were terrible but there is no chance that they had a pro miami agenda. Mavs had some bad luck and f*cked themselves over a few times too

[kamil]

Wade had the GOAT finals performance. Deal with it

Phantom calls are not GOAT worthy.

[Akhenaten]

I'm a HUGE Jason Williams fan and I was very happy he started on that title team. HOWEVER, the series SEEMED rigged to me in favor of the Heat and Wade.

Did you feel that way prior to game 5?

[tmacattack33]

TNT after show, Shaq says "Wade doesn't mind being that other guy, he's been that other guy in all of his championships" (including the one in 2006)

Which I kinda agree with. The NBA wanted to make Wade a superstar before he became a superstar by giving him 20 free throws a game.

Even if u believe it was rigged, shaq was not the number one option on that team.


Even if the nba admitted it was rigged and showed us exactly how they rigged ed it, shaq was not the main option.

Shaq is an idiot and has brought down that once great show that used to be inside the nba on TNT.

[red1]

Even if u believe it was rigged, shaq was not the number one option on that team.


Even if the nba admitted it was rigged and showed us exactly how they rigged ed it, shaq was not the main option.

Shaq is an idiot and has brought down that once great show that used to be inside the nba on TNT.
I like shaq but I am still amazed at how insecure he can be at times. You would think that someone as successful as him wouldnt GAF about these things.

[robert de niro]

i aint even a wade fan but shaq is just wrong, dude is more full of himself than he is full of fat if he thinks he was the n1 option

[Dresta]

Nah, bruh you really need to re-think that shit... Wade lost to an epic failure of a Hawks team.. he definitely should have beaten them for the year he had.

I mean, shit, LeBron's cast was marginally better and he swept them.
Epic failure of a Hawks team? Bibby/Johnson/Williams/Smith/Horford

That was a good defensive team that was completely focused in on Wade who had a non-existent supporting cast. A decrepit JO having his knee drained every game and a rookie Michael Beasley were his 2nd and 3rd option.

Wade still put up 29/5/5 and 1.6 blocks on 57 TS%. Not exactly a no show is it? He had no help. Bron's team won 66 games and were contenders at the peak of their confidence. Delonte West and Mo Williams combined for 30ppg on 60 TS%, stop pretending Lebron didn't have help. That team had great spacing, and was well suited to him. They just disappeared against Orlando.

[f0und]

"that other guy" dominated not only the finals but the ECFs before that.

30+ppg, 70+ fg% through the first four games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdlEFMIA5Y

[Dresta]

"that other guy" dominated not only the finals but the ECFs before that.

30+ppg, 70+ fg% through the first four games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDdlEFMIA5Y
2nd option ref rigged champ doe :confusedshrug:

[Trollsmasher]

'09 Cavs were all LeBron - he had zero help once Mo and Delonte stopped making open shots he created for them

The Hawks were swept solely because of his play - 34/8/6/3 with just 2 TOs on 67% TS (57/49/70) in just 38 mpg, 145 ORtg and 91 DRtg (disrepancy of 56 points per 100 possessions, next closest Cavs player was Varejao with 27)

If Wade came anywhere close to that level of performance, the Heat would've easily won that series

[ArbitraryWater]

'09 were all LeBron - he had zero help once Mo and Delonte stopped making open shots he created for them

The Hawks were swept solely because of his play - 34/8/6/3 with just 2 TOs on 67% TS (57/49/70) in just 38 mpg, 145 ORtg and 91 DRtg (disrepancy of 56 points per 100 possessions, next closest Cavs player was Varejao with 27)

If Wade came anywhere close to that level of performance, the Heat would've easily won that series


keep preaching, brotha... this guy understands

[Dresta]

'09 were all LeBron - he had zero help once Mo and Delonte stopped making open shots he created for them

The Hawks were swept solely because of his play - 34/8/6/3 with just 2 TOs on 67% TS (57/49/70) in just 38 mpg, 145 ORtg and 91 DRtg (disrepancy of 56 points per 100 possessions, next closest Cavs player was Varejao with 27)

If Wade came anywhere close to that level of performance, the Heat would've easily won that series
If Wade had anything like the Cavs spacing to play with maybe he would have been more efficient and put up better numbers, how do you know? You are comparing two incomparable situations. Bron had West averging 5 assists to his 6, and also playing more minutes than him. Mo Will and Delonte both shot great and provided good spacing. They obviously weren't anything like as good as Lebron, but they were a hell of a lot better than anything Wade had.

Stop exaggerating his absence of teammates: that team won 66 games, and it wasn't all down to Lebron (previous season: no Mo Will, no Delonte, and they won 45 games).

edit: also, the next season, both Lebron and Wade played the same team in the 2nd round, and both had not very much help in their respective series.

Averages: Wade: 37/6/7/2/2 on 65 TS% (ORTG 115 DRTG 106), Bron: 29/9/7/2/1 on 56 TS% (ORTG 106 DRTG 105).

Now what?

[aj1987]

'09 Cavs were all LeBron - he had zero help once Mo and Delonte stopped making open shots he created for them

The Hawks were swept solely because of his play - 34/8/6/3 with just 2 TOs on 67% TS (57/49/70) in just 38 mpg, 145 ORtg and 91 DRtg (disrepancy of 56 points per 100 possessions, next closest Cavs player was Varejao with 27)

If Wade came anywhere close to that level of performance, the Heat would've easily won that series
LeBron was amazing, but Wade had literally NO help. No defenders as well. Beasley? Jones? Rookie Chalmers? I don't think anyone's saying that Wade was better than LeBron in the Playoffs, but how do you expect anyone to win with the players that Wade had?

The next year, Wade put up 33/6/7/2/2 on 65% TS and they still got hammered by the Celtics. The same Celtics that LeBron scored 27/9/7/2/1 on 57% TS against.

[Rose'sACL]

That's disrespectful. At least give him credit for 2006. Probably has another FMVP is LeBron plays to 75% of his ability in 2011
lebron choked by his standards but wade had a worse postseason(not just the finals) last year.

Bosh(2011 finals)- 18.5PPG-7.3RPG
Bosh(2013 finals)- 11.9PPG-9RPG

Wade(2011 finals)- 26.5PPG- 7RPG-5.2APG
Wade(2013 finals)- 19.6PPG- 4RPG-4.6APG

Lebron(2011 finals)- 18PPG-7.2RPG-6.8APG
Lebron(2013 finals)- 25.3PPG-11RPG-7APG

Wade also had bad 2011 ECF against bulls and an absolute shitty 2013 ECF where he averaged 15.4-5-4.3 along with a bosh averaging 11-4.3 against pacers.
If wade went 30-6-6 against Mavs then i would agree that he would have won finals MVP if lebron played better but the truth is that if lebron played better then he would have had close to same stats as wade which might have meants that lebron could have been the FMVP himself in 2011.
The only legacy which is hurt by 2011 chokejob is lebron's own and not wade's. Wade's legacy is actually better because everyone thinks that wade was playing like prime Jordan when lebron was choking.

[aj1987]

lebron choked by his standards but wade had a worse postseason(not just the finals) last year.

Bosh(2011 finals)- 18.5PPG-7.3RPG
Bosh(2013 finals)- 11.9PPG-9RPG

Wade(2011 finals)- 26.5PPG- 7RPG-5.2APG
Wade(2013 finals)- 19.6PPG- 4RPG-4.6APG

Lebron(2011 finals)- 18PPG-7.2RPG-6.8APG
Lebron(2013 finals)- 25.3PPG-11RPG-7APG

Wade also had bad 2011 ECF against bulls and an absolute shitty 2013 ECF where he averaged 15.4-5-4.3 along with a bosh averaging 11-4.3 against pacers.
If wade went 30-6-6 against Mavs then i would agree that he would have won finals MVP if lebron played better but the truth is that if lebron played better then he would have had close to same stats as wade which might have meants that lebron could have been the FMVP himself in 2011.
The only legacy which is hurt by 2011 chokejob is lebron's own and not wade's. Wade's legacy is actually better because everyone thinks that wade was playing like prime Jordan when lebron was choking.

Was LeBron injured in '11? I remember Wade getting hip checked by Brian Cardinal and leaving the game for a while. He played with a bruised hip and sucked in Game 6.

Wade was hurt during the '13 playoffs, but came up HUGE in a MUST win Game 4 and again in Game 7.

[Dresta]

lebron choked by his standards but wade had a worse postseason(not just the finals) last year.

Bosh(2011 finals)- 18.5PPG-7.3RPG
Bosh(2013 finals)- 11.9PPG-9RPG

Wade(2011 finals)- 26.5PPG- 7RPG-5.2APG
Wade(2013 finals)- 19.6PPG- 4RPG-4.6APG

Lebron(2011 finals)- 18PPG-7.2RPG-6.8APG
Lebron(2013 finals)- 25.3PPG-11RPG-7APG

Wade also had bad 2011 ECF against bulls and an absolute shitty 2013 ECF where he averaged 15.4-5-4.3 along with a bosh averaging 11-4.3 against pacers.
If wade went 30-6-6 against Mavs then i would agree that he would have won finals MVP if lebron played better but the truth is that if lebron played better then he would have had close to same stats as wade which might have meants that lebron could have been the FMVP himself in 2011.
The only legacy which is hurt by 2011 chokejob is lebron's own and not wade's.What is this bullshit? Wade was injured in 2013; there was nothing wrong with Bron in 11. Moreover, if Bron had come up in the big moments (shot 33% in 4th quarter) in 2011 like Wade did against the Spurs in 13, Miami might well have swept that series. Also, Wade was playing at a much higher level than Bron in the 11 finals, and it would have taken a huge increase in production for him to get finals mvp, not just actually making a couple of baskets in the 4th (what he was incapable of doing).

Wade is currently a year older and playing the same team he played 'absolutely shitty' against when injured, but he is healthy, and has been cutting them to pieces, and playing just as well as a still in his prime Lebron, in fact.

Bolded is completely laughable. You are deluded, seriously :facepalm.

[red1]

d-resta preaching d-lord's gospel. excellent work

[Rose'sACL]

Was LeBron injured in '11? I remember Wade getting hip checked by Brian Cardinal and leaving the game for a while. He played with a bruised hip and sucked in Game 6.
what does injury have to do with anything? I am not saying wade choked last season because he was clearly injured while i am saying lebron choked in 2011 because he wasn't injured.
I am telling you that if lebron played well enough to win in 2011 then he would have probably had to average 25-7-7 which would have meant that his stats would have been as good as wade's. They don't give MVP or FMVP based on injuries.

What is this bullshit? Wade was injured in 2013; there was nothing wrong with Bron in 11. Moreover, if Bron had come up in the big moments (shot 33% in 4th quarter) in 2011 like Wade did against the Spurs in 13, Miami might well have swept that series. Also, Wade was playing at a much higher level than Bron in the 11 finals, and it would have taken a huge increase in production for him to get finals mvp, not just actually making a couple of baskets in the 4th (what he was incapable of doing).

Wade is currently a year older and playing the same team he played 'absolutely shitty' against when injured, but he is healthy, and has been cutting them to pieces, and playing just as well as a still in his prime Lebron, in fact.

Bolded is completely laughable. You are deluded, seriously :facepalm.
wade was injured and that is why his performace last year is not called a chokejob while lebron's 2011 finals is called a chokejob but awards are given for stats and injuries are not considered as an excuse to give the award to someone because they might have played better if not injured. Wade's legacy is not hurt because of 2013 but lebron's is. Wade had an excuse while lebron didn't.
it still does not change the production lebron, wade and bosh had in 2011 in 2013.

[Dresta]

what does injury have to do with anything? I am not saying wade choked last season because he was clearly injured while i am saying lebron choked in 2011 because he wasn't injured.
I am telling you that if lebron played well enough to win in 2011 then he would have probably had to average 25-7-7 which would have meant that his stats would have been as good as wade's. They don't give MVP or FMVP based on injuries.

wade was injured and that is why his performace last year is not called a chokejob while lebron's 2011 finals is called a chokejob but awards are given for stats and injuries are not considered as an excuse to give the award to someone because they might have played better if not injured. Wade's legacy is not hurt because of 2013 but lebron's is. Wade had an excuse while lebron didn't.
it still does not change the production lebron, wade and bosh had in 2011 in 2013.Dallas won game 2 by 2 points and game 4 by 3 points. Miami could have swept the series if Bron had been capable of providing more than 2 points in the 4th quarters of both games combined (game 4 0-1 with 2 turnovers; game 2 0-4 with 1 turnover 2-2 FT's). He didn't need to average 25-7-7 at all :roll: - he just need to provide something, anything.

[Rose'sACL]

Dallas won game 2 by 2 points and game 4 by 3 points. Miami could have swept the series if Bron had been capable of providing more than 2 points in the 4th quarters of both games combined (game 4 0-1 with 2 turnovers; game 2 0-4 with 1 turnover 2-2 FT's). He didn't need to average 25-7-7 at all :roll: - he just need to provide something, anything.
why would he have played just a couple points better? why could he have not had 25 point game instead of 8 point game? May be he only had 17 point game in game 5 like he did and goes for 35 in game 6?
lebron choked mentally. you are going by the logic that heat only needed to win by a couple of points in those games. if lebron was fine then may be heat give mavs 15 point defeats in those games. Wade looked gassed in a couple of games and if lebron was playing well i am more than sure that he would taken it a little easy on himself and his stats would be a little worse.
If lebron scored 20 points instead of 8 points he had in game 4 and 35 instead of 17 in game 5 then he would have the averages i mentioned in my posts.

[Dresta]

why would he have played just a couple points better? why could he have not had 25 point game instead of 8 point game? May be he only had 17 point game in game 5 like he did and goes for 35 in game 6?
lebron choked mentally. you are going by the logic that heat only needed to win by a couple of points in those games. if lebron was fine then may be heat give mavs 15 point defeats in those games. Wade looked gassed in a couple of games and if lebron was playing well i am more than sure that he would taken it a little easy on himself and his stats would be a little worse.
If lebron scored 20 points instead of 8 points he had in game 4 and 35 instead of 17 in game 5 then he would have the averages i mentioned in my posts.This makes no sense.

You are an illiterate.

[T_L_P]

Shaq is a joke. Wade was twice as good (and important) as Shaq was that year.

[Rose'sACL]

This makes no sense.

You are an illiterate.
just because i am not a guy like you who has to support wade to carry your image of a true heat fan doesn't mean that i know less about basketball than you.
Wade had a perfectly good excuse to not play well last year and that is why his performace is not called a chokejob while lebron didn't have any excuse in 2011 which is the reason it is called a chokjob.
If wade was not injured last year then may be he wins the FMVP because lebron would not have needed to have big games in game 6 and 7.

[Rose'sACL]

Also, wade clearly was the best player by miles in 2006.

[BigBoss]

What does it say about a person's character when they can't get along with that person once the relationship has ended? It was phony and self-centered the whole time. The media and the world loved Shaq at the time. I hate D-Wade (just look at the i'm so sick of Dwayne Wade thread) , but he's the reason they won that championship. Period.

[DonDadda59]

If you're gonna give Wade 'asterisks' for '06, might as well give every perimeter player that year and beyond the same. He just took advantage of the rule changes just like Bean, AI, Lebron, Arenas, etc did. He just made to the finals unlike those other guys that season.

[SilkkTheShocker]

This Dresta poster is a Heat fan right? Only see him taking shots at LeBron to prop Wade up.

[ArbitraryWater]

This Dresta poster is a Heat fan right? Only see him taking shots at LeBron to prop Wade up.

Not a real Heat fan as you can see from the Bron hating... Wade stan.

[sdot_thadon]

Shaq's an idiot 1st of all, Wade was nowhere near the other guy for that 2006 ring. I will say this to his credit however: I may be wrong but I don't remember that heat team being recognized as Wade's team in 06. It was more of an after the playoffs hindsight type of thing. Shaq wasn't just some roleplayer there either, he was f'n Shaq.

[Rose'sACL]

This Dresta poster is a Heat fan right? Only see him taking shots at LeBron to prop Wade up.
he is a good poster but he tries too hard to give wade more credit than he deserves as he feels that it helps his image of being a true heat fan. He is like pauk who denied that lebron choked in 2011.
Stats are stats and good stats help your team win. everyone agrees that lebron choked in 2011. Everyone should also agree that wade should take a paycut next season given that his injuries would only get worse even if performs well this postseason. everyone should also agree that heat can also get a big man that fits the heat better than bosh for a lot less money.

[SilkkTheShocker]

he is a good poster but he tries too hard to give wade more credit than he deserves as he feels that it helps his image of being a true heat fan. He is like pauk who denied that lebron choked in 2011.
Stats are stats and good stats help your team win. everyone agrees that lebron choked in 2011. Everyone should also agree that wade should take a paycut next season given that his injuries would only get worse even if performs well this postseason. everyone should also agree that heat can also get a big man that fits the heat better than bosh for a lot less money.

Well said.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq was the best player on the 06 title team despite most people believing the opposite. This is why after Shaq left prime Wade couldn't even advance past the first round once in the East until Lebron joined.

With that said Wade is the 2nd best SG of all time.

:biggums:

[Dresta]

Not a real Heat fan as you can see from the Bron hating... Wade stan.
Bron hating? How is saying Bron choked in the 11 finals hating? This is almost universally acknowledged by everyone who doesn't have his cawk in their mouth. I defend Bron pretty often against Durant and Kobe stans and many of their clownish arguments, but that doesn't mean i can't acknowledge his failures. I can tell you, as an actual Heat fan, there is really nothing more annoying than Bron stans constantly shytting on Wade just to prop up their man-hero. Each and every one of you are obnoxious to the extreme, and also a big reason why most people still hate on Miami.

I doubt you've ever even been to a Heat game, and yet you've got nearly 7,000 posts in a matter of months, and probably more than half of them have been about Lebron.

[Rose'sACL]

Shaq's an idiot 1st of all, Wade was nowhere near the other guy for that 2006 ring. I will say this to his credit however: I may be wrong but I don't remember that heat team being recognized as Wade's team in 06. It was more of an after the playoffs hindsight type of thing. Shaq wasn't just some roleplayer there either, he was f'n Shaq.
Shaq was fine till ECF and played close to wade or even better than wade in a few games.
In finals, it was pretty much all wade though . Shaq disappeared for pretty much all the games in finals. His rebounding helped a lot though. He shot 29% from free throw line.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bron hating? How is saying Bron choked in the 11 finals hating? This is almost universally acknowledged by everyone who doesn't have his cawk in their mouth. I defend Bron pretty often against Durant and Kobe stans and many of their clownish arguments, but that doesn't mean i can't acknowledge his failures. I can tell you, as an actual Heat fan, there is really nothing more annoying than Bron stans constantly shytting on Wade just to prop up their man-hero. Each and every one of you are obnoxious to the extreme, and also a big reason why most people still hate on Miami.

I doubt you've ever even been to a Heat game, and yet you've got nearly 7,000 posts in a matter of months, and probably more than half of them have been about Lebron.

I acknowledge it too dumb nikka :lol

/post useless

[Trollsmasher]

I don't really get what is so outworldly about saying that LeBron could've won the FMVP in 2011 if he played like himself:facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

Bron hating? How is saying Bron choked in the 11 finals hating? This is almost universally acknowledged by everyone who doesn't have his cawk in their mouth. I defend Bron pretty often against Durant and Kobe stans and many of their clownish arguments, but that doesn't mean i can't acknowledge his failures. I can tell you, as an actual Heat fan, there is really nothing more annoying than Bron stans constantly shytting on Wade just to prop up their man-hero. Each and every one of you are obnoxious to the extreme, and also a big reason why most people still hate on Miami.

I doubt you've ever even been to a Heat game, and yet you've got nearly 7,000 posts in a matter of months, and probably more than half of them have been about Lebron.
Do you agree that wade should opt out this year and sign a 10-11 mil an year contract?

[mr beast]

funny, i remember Shaq said in 2006 that Wade carried the team and he does not know how they won that year

LOL

[f0und]

true, wade played like crap in the bulls series if you're jut looking at pure numbers. but only an idiot uses pure numbers and leave out the context in how everything played out. in multiple games during that series, wade played like *hit for three and a half qtrs but came up absolutely HUGE down the stretch and put his imprint on the game.

in the finals, in almost an exact role reversal, bron played like crap for three and a half qtrs. the difference here is he played worse the rest of the way. he played like 10% of what he's capable of. if he couldve at least bumped it up to 15%, he would most likely have 3 titles right now.

[red1]

funny, i remember Shaq said in 2006 that Wade carried the team and he does not know how they won that year

LOL
:roll:

[Dresta]

I don't really get what is so outworldly about saying that LeBron could've won the FMVP in 2011 if he played like himself:facepalm
What does that have to do with anything? He didn't play well full stop. But he actually completely vanished at the end of games 2 and 4, and if he hadn't, the likelihood is that the Heat would have swept or won in 5, and Wade would've won FMVP.

It is idiotic to pretend otherwise. Who is saying Lebron couldn't have won FinalsMVP even if he played awesome anyway? That was a fabrication of that Rose guy, who for some reason thinks that Lebron can only choke away a series, or play at an MVP level, with no in-between. In fact, Lebron played average game 3 (but shit for him), and Miami still won. Then in game 4 (which would have put Miami up 3-1) he completely vanished and Miami still only lost by 3. If he had played just ok, or even just below average, Miami would've won, it would have relieved the pressure, and in all likelihood they win the series.

[mehyaM24]

shaq just reiterating what all intelligent basketball fans know. :applause:

i've always said wade's 2006 playoff run, especially the finals, was overrated (parade at the FT line). what people really need to look at, is what wade "did" without shaq and before lebron.....absolutely nothing.

[red1]

shaq just reiterating what all intelligent basketball fans know. :applause:

i've always said wade's 2006 playoff run, especially the finals, was overrated (parade at the FT line).

people need to wake up and look at what miami did without shaq and before lebron.....absolutely nothing.
f*ck it's this retard again

[mehyaM24]

f*ck it's this retard again

:oldlol:

is that all people do on this forum? insult others when their reality is shaken?

take your beef up with shaq. he actually called your boy "that other guy"

[Rose'sACL]

true, wade played like crap in the bulls series if you're jut looking at pure numbers. but only an idiot uses pure numbers and leave out the context in how everything played out. in multiple games during that series, wade played like *hit for three and a half qtrs but came up absolutely HUGE down the stretch and put his imprint on the game.

in the finals, in almost an exact role reversal, bron played like crap for three and a half qtrs. the difference here is he played worse the rest of the way. he played like 10% of what he's capable of. if he couldve at least bumped it up to 15%, he would most likely have 3 titles right now.
he played like absolute crap in game 3 and 4 against bulls. bosh was still good back then so lebron and bosh carried the heat. If bosh also didn't play well then that series would have gone to 7 given how close the games were. anyways, i ignore wade's bad performance in 2011 ECF because i feel that he knew that heat would win anyways.
Wade's 2013 ECF was really bad though no matter how you look at it. it was even worse considering that bosh was no where to be seen on defensive or offensive end. he had 2 games like lebron's 8 point games in 2013 ECF.
He gets a pass because of the injuries and because he played with the most scrutinized player in the modern era. This is why i don't like chris bosh. Unlike wade, he doesn't have the injury excuse. he should be crashing the boards hard if he is not getting too many shots but he doesn't even do that most of the times. Both lebron and wade play better in the post than bosh. The only elite offensive skill that bosh brings to the heat is hitting mid range jumpers and he gets those if he is hitting them so i have no idea why everyone gets mad that bosh doesn't get enough shots. Bosh should go to an average team next season and get his money because if heat pays him 15+ mil an year then they are either forced by wade/lebron to do so or they are just stupid.

[red1]

:oldlol:

is that all people do on this forum? insult others when their reality is shaken?

take your beef up with shaq. he actually called your boy "that other guy"
I made the mistake of arguing with you in past. Never again. Cant reason with retarded.

[mehyaM24]

I made the mistake of arguing with you in past. Never again. Cant reason with retarded.

i have absolutely no idea who you are. :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

I made the mistake of arguing with you in past. Never again. Cant reason with retarded.

you're talking to a youtube legend :no:

[red1]

i have absolutely no idea who you are. :lol
hence why you are retarded

[Dresta]

Do you agree that wade should opt out this year and sign a 10-11 mil an year contract?
What does that have to do with me? Wade can do whatever he wants, as can Bosh, as can Bron. They can all opt in and be perfectly justified in doing so. What I would prefer to happen is dependant on how the season plays out. Presently, Bosh is looking like a 10 mil guy (less in this series), and Wade is looking like a top 5 player again, and if that continues, and Wade continues with this kind of production in the most important games of the year (and they win the title) then there is really no way you can justify such a low salary unless it is Wade's choice like it was Duncan's choice to take a paycut.

[sd3035]

Shaq is damn lucky he doesn't have to play against Wade after those comments

[Rose'sACL]

What does that have to do with me? Wade can do whatever he wants, as can Bosh, as can Bron. They can all opt in and be perfectly justified in doing so. What I would prefer to happen is dependant on how the season plays out. Presently, Bosh is looking like a 10 mil guy (less in this series), and Wade is looking like a top 5 player again, and if that continues, and Wade continues with this kind of production in the most important games of the year (and they win the title) then there is really no way you can justify such a low salary unless it is Wade's choice like it was Duncan's choice to take a paycut.
yes, i can justify that low of a salary even if he manages to average 21-22 PPG in the finals because he had to sit out for 30 games to make it happen. he didn't have a good brooklyn series either. you have to look at the future and his future looks even worse because of his injuries. next year, he might have to sit out 40 games to have good playoffs. that puts a lot of pressure on other players on the team and on lebron even more given that they would have to change their play style every 2-3 games whenever wade sits out. Wade's future is very uncertain. if lebron and bosh leave then he might have to retire after next year if he plays 70+ games. Not playing back2backs in regular season helps a lot and heat are not as deep as spurs to play their stars very few mins and still keep winning.

[AirFederer]

Dresta speaking the truth.

Shaq is just a sad man. He'd get so much more respect if he didn't take such shots :facepalm

[SpecialQue]

Shaq is the most pathetic basketball personality out there. How the fvck could someone that dominant at the game be so insecure? That 2006 title was won primarily by Wade. Yes, the rest of the team contributed, but if Wade doesn't take over, they don't win that year.

It's as if being the main force during a fvcking threepeat wasn't enough for this clown. :facepalm

[Dresta]

yes, i can justify that low of a salary even if he manages to average 21-22 PPG in the finals because he had to sit out for 30 games to make it happen. he didn't have a good brooklyn series either. you have to look at the future and his future looks even worse because of his injuries. next year, he might have to sit out 40 games to have good playoffs. that puts a lot of pressure on other players on the team and on lebron even more given that they would have to change their play style every 2-3 games whenever wade sits out. Wade's future is very uncertain. if lebron and bosh leave then he might have to retire after next year if he plays 70+ games. Not playing back2backs in regular season helps a lot and heat are not as deep as spurs to play their stars very few mins and still keep winning.
He sat out around 20 games for maintenance reasons, not 30; the other games were due to a hamstring injury.

If Miami win the title this season they care not one bit about the regular season next year, seriously, why would they? The only purpose of the regular season for them is to get the team ready for the playoffs.

[Rose'sACL]

He sat out around 20 games for maintenance reasons, not 30; the other games were due to a hamstring injury.

If Miami win the title this season they care not one bit about the regular season next year, seriously, why would they? The only purpose of the regular season for them is to get the team ready for the playoffs.
are you kidding me? unless they get better role players next season, everyone other than wade would be gassed by the time playoffs arrive. miami doesn't have Pop running his system to get regular season wins without stars playing major mins.
Regardless of what wade does, he should not be paid more than 14 mil an year if miami has championship aspirations in coming years. Any player who sits out for 30 games a season is not a 15+ mill guy unless that player averages Jordan's number in playoffs. Een then other stars on the team might not feel good that he gets to sit in the regular season and they have to play tired in playoffs which most likely influences their game in playoffs.

[bizil]

From a technical level, Shaq and Barkley aren't the most skilled commentators from a player's perspective. That's what Kenny is there for. While Barkley and Shaq often make good points, their thing is mixing in the entertainment part. I think what Shaq meant to say was during Wade's run with Bron that's he was the second best player on the team. In 2006, Wade was clearly the best player on the team while Shaq was the second best. But in each case, it was the luxury of having two Batmans on the team.