The more I watch Lebron the more I am starting to think he's better than MJ

[Derivative]

LOL at you fakkits thinking Lebron is actually better than MJ :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lettuce be real tea, Lebron is not even on the same tier as MJ:rockon: :rockon:

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[livinglegend]

and water is wet

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg

[ABfor3]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg
:roll: :roll:

[nathanjizzle]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg
:dancin

[inclinerator]

:applause: coming from a guy like u

[SilkkTheShocker]

This is the same as running for office and getting the KKK as a vocal supporter. Connor B and OP are most definitely related

[305Baller]

Jordan is a goat.

[Fawker]

stern forced mj to be in our faces.

if lebron 4-peats + 1 or 2 more down the line (6 rings / 4-5 mvp's)

if he wins another regular season mvp

that's all that matters and it is there wide open.

lebron is a better playmaker than jordan, wilt, or russell.

[davehos]

This is the same as running for office and getting the KKK as a vocal supporter. Connor B and OP are most definitely related

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[sekachu]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.




It does giving you a false appearance while you are watching live and getting fuzzy about the past.

[Angel Face]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

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[Milbuck]

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MJ was one intimidating looking ****er in his later years. Dude looks absolutely ruthless.

[5 rings fan]

what the fk is wrong with the Jordan stans ? They are close deal with it, Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era

[kamil]

MJ was one intimidating looking ****er in his later years. Dude looks absolutely ruthless.

His game was deadlier than his look... polar opposite with LeBron*

[Keno]

he is more dominant than mj on both ends of the floor. but his accolades haven't reached his yet. i think he will have a better resume than his when it's all said and done.

[nathanjizzle]

he is more dominant than mj on both ends of the floor. but his accolades haven't reached his yet. i think he will have a better resume than his when it's all said and done.

straight up, youre stupid.

lebron has alot to prove to be better than jordan. and that ship has already sailed. I mean, just tonight, he had a freethrow to break 50 and his record for most points scored in the post season, but he missed. jordan doesnt even have that kind of mental weakness.

[Mr. Jabbar]

he will have a better resume than his when it's all said and done.

with photoshop

i dont remember jordan choking away finals or pippen hittin a championship shot

[Derivative]

with photoshop

i dont remember jordan choking away finals or pippen hittin a championship shot


you don't remember becuz you were like 2 years old when Jordan played :lol

[Fawker]

the NBA wont let a anyone surpass MJ because MJ is holy. Like Kobe or Lebron wont mop the floor with any version of him.

[sportjames23]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[J Shuttlesworth]

Good post by OP :applause:

[sportjames23]

the NBA wont let a anyone surpass MJ because MJ is holy. Like Kobe or Lebron wont mop the floor with any version of him.


Stupidity reigns supreme with this one. :facepalm

[El Gato Negro]

Aww the younger generation that never had a chance to see mj play live only highlights lol

[Asukal]

the NBA wont let a anyone surpass MJ because MJ is holy. Like Kobe or Lebron wont mop the floor with any version of him.

Only because those 2 aren't really better. When the person who surpasses him comes along we will all know and we will acknowledge. Lebron's chances are slim to non existent. :oldlol:

[chazzy]

you don't remember becuz you were like 2 years old when Jordan played :lol
Date of birth: May 2nd, 1990

[Fawker]

Lebron is building a better body of work. Stop being afraid.

[sportjames23]

Lebron is building a better body of work. Stop being afraid.


You REALLY want to compare MJ and Lebron's body of work?

[kamil]

You REALLY want to compare MJ and Lebron's body of work?

Oh come on, don't stop the kid from embarrassing himself... I'd enjoy seeing that happen.

[AirFederer]

Great joke ha ha ha.

Call me when 2011 never happened.

[Fawker]

You REALLY want to compare MJ and Lebron's body of work?
give it to me. all MJ's accolades compared to Lebron's.

[dc_chilling]

with photoshop

i dont remember jordan choking away finals or pippen hittin a championship shot

Nope. That was Kerr and Paxson.

Do some of you even watch basketball?

[Cold soul]

Lebron not even close to MJ and never will be. Sorry but people need to get over it especially the younger generation. Top 5 all-time is Lebron ceiling.

[KOBEisBaawlliin!]

LeBron is an all time candidate.

[KOBEisBaawlliin!]

Lebron not even close to MJ and never will be. Sorry but people need to get over it especially the younger generation. Top 5 all-time is Lebron ceiling.
provide it with numbers...young slut

[sportjames23]

give it to me. all MJ's accolades compared to Lebron's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Michael_Jordan

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/achievements.htm

http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html

http://www.23jordan.com/achievements.htm


Your turn.

[Reggie43]

The funny thing is that its actually the opposite for me. The more I watch Lebron, the more I see the things lacking in his game if compared to Jordan.

[Vienceslav]

Is this where you prop up Lebron, wait till he loses in the Finals then bump this thread and all the other MJ threads you have made and have bookmarked?:lol

[sportjames23]

Nope. That was Kerr and Paxson.

Do some of you even watch basketball?


His point still remains--MJ never choked away a championship. Matter of fact, his Bulls never came close to losing one. Five of their six titles ended in 6 games. No Game 7s for MJ in the Finals because he and the Bulls took care of business.

And that Paxson shot came after MJ was the only Bulls player to score in the 4th quarter of Game 6 vs the Suns, keeping them in the game. Kerr's shot came with the game tied and still time on the clock for the Jazz to score, but Kukoc and Pippen made the defensive and offensive plays to put the game and title away.

[KOBEisBaawlliin!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Michael_Jordan

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/achievements.htm

http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html

http://www.23jordan.com/achievements.htm


Your turn.
LeBron got better ones.

[sportjames23]

Is this where you prop up Lebron, wait till he loses in the Finals then bump this thread and all the other MJ threads you have made and have bookmarked?:lol


That's why I ain't mad at Derivative. Man is on a Skip Bayless level of trollery. :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

LeBron got better ones.

Post 'em, nikka.

[Marchesk]

The more I think of Wilt, the more I realize Lebron will never replace him on the Mount Rushmore of Basketball.

[Leftimage]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

Yup, and his trajectory is eerily similar to Jordan's in many ways.

The tale of Lebron James is of freaking biblical proportions at this point in his career... and he's only 29... and he sneakily added a wicked turnaround J to his arsenal... when? I don't even recall - he's that good at this point. An expert in every facet of the game.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[oarabbus]

LeBron got better ones.

I feel you bro.


MJ only has 6 rings compared to Bron's 2
MJ only has 6x FMVP compared to Bron's 2
MJ only 3peated twice compared to Bron hasn't 3peated yet

Wait, what?

[riseagainst]

he is more dominant than mj on both ends of the floor. but his accolades haven't reached his yet. i think he will have a better resume than his when it's all said and done.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[riseagainst]

Nope. That was Kerr and Paxson.

Do some of you even watch basketball?

didn't jordan hit like 3 game winners in the finals?

[Mr. Jabbar]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:oldlol:

like "one end" wouldn't have been a terrible enough statement

[kamil]

Yup, and his trajectory is eerily similar to Jordan's in many ways.

The tale of Lebron James is of freaking biblical proportions at this point in his career... and he's only 29... and he sneakily added a wicked turnaround J to his arsenal... when? I don't even recall - he's that good at this point. An expert in every facet of the game.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

When did MJ collude? I dont remember him teaming up with Bird and Magic...??

[I<3NBA]

what the fk is wrong with the Jordan stans ? They are close deal with it, Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era
:coleman:
:yaohappy:

[Leftimage]

I feel you bro.


MJ only has 6 rings compared to Bron's 2
MJ only has 6x FMVP compared to Bron's 2
MJ only 3peated twice compared to Bron hasn't 3peated yet

Wait, what?

29 year-old MJ : 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 3 finals appearances, 3 mvps, 7 all-nba first-teams, 6 defensive first teams

29 year-old Lebron (if the Heat threepeat): 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 5 finals appearances, 4 mvps, 8 nba first teams, 6 defensive first teams

:confusedshrug:

[Magic 32]

Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era

http://s24.postimg.org/5ege4kv0l/30hg_west.jpg

[riseagainst]

it's actually the opposite for me. The more I watch lebron the more I am starting to think there is absolutely no comparison between these two players and that MJ is much better.

[Magic 32]

29 year-old MJ : 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 3 finals appearances, 3 mvps, 7 all-nba first-teams, 6 defensive first teams

29 year-old Lebron (if the Heat threepeat): 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 5 finals appearances, 4 mvps, 8 nba first teams, 6 defensive first teams

:confusedshrug:

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/lebron-james-and-dwyane-wade-celebrate-too-early.jpg

[SexSymbol]

29 year-old MJ : 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 3 finals appearances, 3 mvps, 7 all-nba first-teams, 6 defensive first teams

29 year-old Lebron (if the Heat threepeat): 3 chips, 3 fmvps, 5 finals appearances, 4 mvps, 8 nba first teams, 6 defensive first teams

:confusedshrug:
MJ played like three seasons less.

Is that the best LeBron stans can do? Comparing like 7 of MJs seasons to 11 of Lebron's?

[ballin33]

MJ played like three seasons less.

Is that the best LeBron stans can do? Comparing like 7 of MJs seasons to 11 of Lebron's?

So LeBron gets docked because he played straight out of high school while Jordan had to go to college?

[Leftimage]

When did MJ collude? I dont remember him teaming up with Bird and Magic...??

''collude'' get that spin doctor shit out of here.
I'm not interested in debating Lebron vs Jordan's pop culture status or career arch -

Jordan had Pippen, Phil Jackson and eventually Rodman.
Lebron has Wade, Bosh.
Move on and compare their play on the court... it requires a lot of youtube viewing.

[Keno]

straight up, youre stupid.

lebron has alot to prove to be better than jordan. and that ship has already sailed. I mean, just tonight, he had a freethrow to break 50 and his record for most points scored in the post season, but he missed. jordan doesnt even have that kind of mental weakness.

so lebron can't be the goat because he missed a freethrow to get 50 points in an already decided game? lmaooooooooooooooooooo. ****ing retarded ass bulls fans.

[Keno]

Date of birth: May 2nd, 1990

lol that was funny.

[Keno]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

show me which part was funny? i'd like to laugh too.

[Leftimage]

MJ played like three seasons less.

Is that the best LeBron stans can do? Comparing like 7 of MJs seasons to 11 of Lebron's?

Well when it comes to projecting how good Lebron's legacy will be at the end of his career, I'd say it's rather relevant.

There's no indication Lebron will have to retire 3 seasons early because his ''college years'' were in the NBA. (not to mention take a 1-year hiatus in his prime) I don't think Lebron's body is any more ''broken down'' than Jordan's was at 29. Quite the contrary.

So yeah, i think age is a fair way of comparing both players.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

lebron has surpassed jordan a long time ago

[Quizno]

he's no MJ, but he could end up somewhere in the top 5

[sportjames23]

lebron has surpassed jordan a long time ago


Just as you surpassed stupidity at the same time. You're into dumbass territory now.

[Im Still Ballin]

Just as you surpassed stupidity at the same time. You're into dumbass territory now.
Your damn right i was ****ing your girls ass last night. shit. was. RAW.

[bukowski81]

what the fk is wrong with the Jordan stans ? They are close deal with it, Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era

How can this era East be a "much tougher era"?? The east has been as weak as ever, and averaging 30 in the playoffs in one year will not make it, Jordan has a career playoff average of 33.4

[sportjames23]

Your damn right i was ****ing your girls ass last night. shit. was. RAW.


PM me dem pics, nikka.

[sportjames23]

Still waiting on Lebron stans to post Bron's achievements to compare them to MJ's.

[knicksman]

no way is mj being stopped by boris diaw

[knicksman]

mj/kobe are the opposites of oscar/lebron. If not for colluding, lebron wouldve been oscar 2.0

[iBandwagon]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

Can we wait until he even has 1 threepeat? Christ.

[buddha]

I guarantee OP has not watched more then two or three MJ games.

[LakersFan626]

what the fk is wrong with the Jordan stans ? They are close deal with it, Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era

Two of Jordan's main rivals were the bad boy Pistons and the early 90s Knicks... those teams were as tough as they come, and MUCH tougher than the teams he's facing today. So no, I don't feel that LeBron's better than Jordan, and that's not even taking into consideration game 5 against Boston in 2010, the entire 2011 Finals (especially the 8 point game), and losing in the Finals twice, something Jordan's never done. Also Jordan's jumper was way more reliable and LeBron's jumper only got decently reliable when he went to Miami. Jordan had a 72 win season as well, followed by a 69 win season, both in the later years of his career, while the most LeBron's gotten in a season was 66. LeBron's probably the best in the game today, but had too many failures to be better than Jordan all time... Jordan would NEVER have done what LeBron did in game 5 against Boston or score 8 points in a finals game.

[BoutPractice]

Well when it comes to projecting how good Lebron's legacy will be at the end of his career, I'd say it's rather relevant.

There's no indication Lebron will have to retire 3 seasons early because his ''college years'' were in the NBA. (not to mention take a 1-year hiatus in his prime) I don't think Lebron's body is any more ''broken down'' than Jordan's was at 29. Quite the contrary.

So yeah, i think age is a fair way of comparing both players.
Perhaps, but Jordan had rare longevity as a superstar. He was still averaging 32 per game in the playoffs at 34, and this kind of production is the exception rather than the norm. LeBron may be a similar kind of exception, but you can't just "assume" he'll be that good well into his 30s.

[bagelred]

Last year, Lebron was one missed Ray Allen shot from being a laughing stock again....but now he's the GOAT.

OK....

[Marchesk]

MJ's game was much more aesthetically pleasing than lebrons. Even if somehow lebron matches mj with his achievements, he will still not be the goat.....

Rings
FG%
Aesthetic Pleasure

Some equation of the above variables = GOAT

[TheMan]

http://oem.readyphiladelphia.org/Customized/uploads/Photos/AAmanBlindCane2.jpg
Perfect response to OP :oldlol:

OP, LeBron is a beast but their playoffs stats tell a different story.

[TheMan]

what the fk is wrong with the Jordan stans ? They are close deal with it, Lebron averaging 30 points thus far in the playoff , in a much tougher era
ROFL

[r15mohd]

straight up, youre stupid.

lebron has alot to prove to be better than jordan. and that ship has already sailed. I mean, just tonight, he had a freethrow to break 50 and his record for most points scored in the post season, but he missed. jordan doesnt even have that kind of mental weakness.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

"Go back to the 1989 playoffs when the Bulls were big underdogs to the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Bulls went up 2-1 in the best of five series with Game 4 in Chicago. It came down to the last minute and all Jordan needed to do was make a free throw and the Bulls clinch the series and go on to the next round. Miss and they go back to Cleveland for the final game.

Jordan missed two free throws in the last 49 seconds, and the Cavs then went on to win in overtime when Brad Daugherty made his free throws, Jordan blowing the closeout game.

Link: http://blogs.bulls.com/2012/01/rose-is-being-just-like-mike-with-free-throws/"

now, never post again! :rolleyes:

[TheMan]

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

"Go back to the 1989 playoffs when the Bulls were big underdogs to the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Bulls went up 2-1 in the best of five series with Game 4 in Chicago. It came down to the last minute and all Jordan needed to do was make a free throw and the Bulls clinch the series and go on to the next round. Miss and they go back to Cleveland for the final game.

Jordan missed two free throws in the last 49 seconds, and the Cavs then went on to win in overtime when Brad Daugherty made his free throws, Jordan blowing the closeout game.

Link: http://blogs.bulls.com/2012/01/rose-is-being-just-like-mike-with-free-throws/"

now, never post again! :rolleyes:
You conviniently omitted what happened in game 5 :oldlol:

I think we can agree MJ more than made up for those missed FTs with The Shot :rockon:

BTW, I'm not dogging Bran for missing a FT, or any player for that matter.

[tmacattack33]

Lebron has combined elite scoring with elite passing. It is amazing.

We are witnesses.


What are the chances that any one of the next few great Nba scorers also are elite passers? Very small. There will probably be another 30 year gap between we see another one like Lebron (and bird 30 years before him).

[r15mohd]

You conviniently omitted what happened in game 5 :oldlol:

I think we can agree MJ more than made up those missed FTs with The Shot :rockon:


same can be said for Lebron in many scenarios where he's missed FTs...has he not proved to be successful after failures? 2007 and 2011 to now 2012 and 2013? no one is perfect, yet Lebron is expected to be due to irrational thinking

that is my point of the response

[TheMan]

:wtf:Bird retired in 92 and Bran came into the NBA in 02:confusedshrug:

[KobeMagic]

it's actually the opposite for me. The more I watch lebron the more I am starting to think there is absolutely no comparison between these two players and that MJ is much better.

:applause:

[leMVP]

Better basketball player? that's a debate, Jordan is the better shooter but don't know if he's better scorer, Lebron is the better passer, Defensively, they're similar, i give a slight edge to Lebron because his size allows him to guard 1-5.

Better on all-time list, Lebron still needs 5 rings + 5-6mvps, long way ahead of him.

[tmacattack33]

:wtf:Bird retired in 92 and Bran came into the NBA in 02:confusedshrug:

Bird peaked in the early 80's.

Lebron peaked in 2009, or 2013.

[TheMan]

Bird peaked in the early 80's.

Lebron peaked in 2009, or 2013.
Who cares about peaks, both players were great passers from the get go. Just admit that "30 years" was waaay off.

[riseagainst]

Better basketball player? that's a debate, Jordan is the better shooter but don't know if he's better scorer, Lebron is the better passer, Defensively, they're similar, i give a slight edge to Lebron because his size allows him to guard 1-5.

Better on all-time list, Lebron still needs 5 rings + 5-6mvps, long way ahead of him.

:no:

[TheMan]

:no:
I saw that and was going to respond but if he's that clueless, then why waste my time:rolleyes:

[leMVP]

:no:

Overall scoring ability, Lebron is ranked 3rd all-time in this department, and he doesn't have a scoring-first mentality.

it's debatable, I think personally Jordan is better, but not by huge margin like some ppl would suggest.

[r15mohd]

Overall scoring ability, Lebron is ranked 3rd all-time in this department, and he doesn't have a scoring-first mentality.

it's debatable, I think personally Jordan is better, but not by huge margin like some ppl would suggest.


MJ is def the better scorer...that can't be argued with comparison to Lebron (and it's not even a knock on Lebron), but the game itself involves so much more than just scoring and that is where Lebron starts to gain ground to challenge MJ in my opinion.

[Teanett]

straight up, youre stupid.

lebron has alot to prove to be better than jordan. and that ship has already sailed. I mean, just tonight, he had a freethrow to break 50 and his record for most points scored in the post season, but he missed. jordan doesnt even have that kind of mental weakness.

that right there is why you cant imagine bronny ever beating prime jordan or even prime kobe.

they would never miss that last free throw. they'd take the win AND the 50 and shove it down your throat.

[f0und]

smh at all these knee jerk reactions after a good game by lebron/kobe/kd. a great game/great milestone every once in a while all of a sudden trumps jordan's legacy with all his much more frequent great games/moments.

imagine if jordan was playing today and did what he did exactly the way he did it back in his day, with performances that routinely *hit on 99% of other players great games. AND with great frequency. and without any notable mental lapses. now take today's kneejerk reactions to bron/kd/kobe's great games. scale it up to something better and more frequent. then it would be like there's no comparison. there would be jordan, then there would be everyone else in a far distant tier below him.

[Prometheus]

It breaks my heart, but as great as LeBron is, there is 0% chance of him being as great as Jordan was. If the rest of his career unfolds in storybook fashion, he may catch him in accolades/accomplishments... if things play out the right way, the media consensus might even crown him GOAT (like if they 5-peat or something ridiculous)... but to those of us who understand the game and were there to watch it throughout the 1990s, the truth is obvious. In terms of sheer impact on the court, we have seen LeBron's peak and it is just not of the same caliber that Michael Jordan's was. Jordan from 1991-1993 was just the ultimate competitive sports athlete.

You could make the case because of his much more dominant presence and the way he could impose his will and make his opponents lose their confidence, or you could point out something as simple as his infinitely more devastating midrange game, which allowed him to score at will against any defender. You could make the case because of his uninterrupted knack for elevating his game in the playoffs and again in the finals, always bringing his A-game to the biggest stage, or you could point to the fact that even though LeBron is universally recognized as a better passer (which I agree with), Jordan averaged over 11 APG in his first NBA Finals :wtf: ... You could compare Jordan's statistical years that LeBron will never touch:

1989 - 32.5 PPG 8.0 APG 8.0 RPG .538 FG% .850 FT%

or you could just use the eye test:

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22318-Michael-Jordan-ball-fake-gif-SvYu.gif

But no matter how you slice it, Jordan > LeBron.

I was pretty young when MJ was on top, and LeBron came into the NBA as I was about to leave high school. I would really love to say that LeBron is better. When he first was drafted, I hoped he would be better than MJ. I want to be able to say that the greatest player from my generation is the greatest of all time. But the time has come, LeBron has peaked, and it just isn't so. He's definitely one of the best players to ever lace them up, and when his Jersey is hung up for good he will probably go down as a Top-5 legend. There's no shame in any of it, and I appreciate getting to watch such a transcendent athlete.

BUT HE IS NOT AS GOOD AS MICHAEL JORDAN. Just ****ing put it to bed already.


On a totally unrelated note, I just want to quote this guy here:


that right there is why you cant imagine bronny ever beating prime jordan or even prime kobe.

they would never miss that last free throw. they'd take the win AND the 50 and shove it down your throat.

And give us all more opportunity to laugh at how dumb these ideas are. Kobe might miss a lot of potential game-winners... but if he was on the verge of an individual scoring record (that had no impact on the outcome of the game) he would NEVER miss. Not only is it wrong, but even if it was right it would have nothing to do with being good as a basketball player.

[kells333]

the NBA wont let a anyone surpass MJ because MJ is holy. Like Kobe or Lebron wont mop the floor with any version of him.


#1

[tmacattack33]

that right there is why you cant imagine bronny ever beating prime jordan or even prime kobe.

they would never miss that last free throw. they'd take the win AND the 50 and shove it down your throat.

Yes, you're right, Kobe and MJ both were 100% foul shooters.

At first I was skeptical, but now I agree whole heartedly due to your flawless argumentation method.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

It breaks my heart, but as great as LeBron is, there is 0% chance of him being as great as Jordan was. If the rest of his career unfolds in storybook fashion, he may catch him in accolades/accomplishments... if things play out the right way, the media consensus might even crown him GOAT (like if they 5-peat or something ridiculous)... but to those of us who understand the game and were there to watch it throughout the 1990s, the truth is obvious. In terms of sheer impact on the court, we have seen LeBron's peak and it is just not of the same caliber that Michael Jordan's was. Jordan from 1991-1993 was just the ultimate competitive sports athlete.

You could make the case because of his much more dominant presence and the way he could impose his will and make his opponents lose their confidence, or you could point out something as simple as his infinitely more devastating midrange game, which allowed him to score at will against any defender. You could make the case because of his uninterrupted knack for elevating his game in the playoffs and again in the finals, always bringing his A-game to the biggest stage, or you could point to the fact that even though LeBron is universally recognized as a better passer (which I agree with), Jordan averaged over 11 APG in his first NBA Finals :wtf: ... You could compare Jordan's statistical years that LeBron will never touch:

1989 - 32.5 PPG 8.0 APG 8.0 RPG .538 FG% .850 FT%

or you could just use the eye test:

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22318-Michael-Jordan-ball-fake-gif-SvYu.gif

But no matter how you slice it, Jordan > LeBron.

I was pretty young when MJ was on top, and LeBron came into the NBA as I was about to leave high school. I would really love to say that LeBron is better. When he first was drafted, I hoped he would be better than MJ. I want to be able to say that the greatest player from my generation is the greatest of all time. But the time has come, LeBron has peaked, and it just isn't so. He's definitely one of the best players to ever lace them up, and when his Jersey is hung up for good he will probably go down as a Top-5 legend. There's no shame in any of it, and I appreciate getting to watch such a transcendent athlete.

BUT HE IS NOT AS GOOD AS MICHAEL JORDAN. Just ****ing put it to bed already.


On a totally unrelated note, I just want to quote this guy here:



And give us all more opportunity to laugh at how dumb these ideas are. Kobe might miss a lot of potential game-winners... but if he was on the verge of an individual scoring record (that had no impact on the outcome of the game) he would NEVER miss. Not only is it wrong, but even if it was right it would have nothing to do with being good as a basketball player.
LeBron>Jordan
LeBron didnt even hit his peak yet
relax sonny, there is more than stats

[Teanett]

Yes, you're right, Kobe and MJ both were 100% foul shooters.

At first I was skeptical, but now I agree whole heartedly due to your flawless argumentation method.

you dont get it because you're 14 years old and never seen jordan or kobe in their primes... of course they missed free throws, but that particular one,? that gets them to 50? adds insult to injury? they dont miss that free throw.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

you dont get it because you're 14 years old and never seen jordan or kobe in their primes... of course they missed free throws, but that particular one,? that gets them to 50? adds insult to injury? they dont miss that free throw.
thats because they were better FT shooters.
holy fuq is it that hard to understand??
also you admit they are the ultimate stat padders if they never miss that one but missed CRUCIAL FT in their careers when it came to getting wins:biggums: :lol

[Knoe Itawl]

I actually LIKE Lebron a lot, but his stans are approaching Kobe stan levels of obnoxiousness

No, Lebron hasn't proven himself to be the player that Jordan was, and the vast majority of people who saw BOTH careers feel that way.

It's only those that have only seen Lebron who don't understand that.

[Knoe Itawl]

thats because they were better FT shooters.
holy fuq is it that hard to understand??
also you admit they are the ultimate stat padders if they never miss that one but missed CRUCIAL FT in their careers when it came to getting wins:biggums: :lol

Congrats, you're the most annoying of the new school Lebron stans. Good (actually terrible) work.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I actually LIKE Lebron a lot, but his stans are approaching Kobe stan levels of obnoxiousness

No, Lebron hasn't proven himself to be the player that Jordan was, and the vast majority of people who saw BOTH careers feel that way.

It's only those that have only seen Lebron who don't understand that.
because lebrons career is still far from over:facepalm so far he has done more in his career than jordan at age 29 outside of PPG and he wont get worse the next 5 years at least.
you are also forgetting that lebron palyed with trash for 7 years, NEVEr had a great coach and that MJs bulls from 1990 on were just at least twice as good as the Heat.

[Teanett]

thats because they were better FT shooters.
holy fuq is it that hard to understand??
also you admit they are the ultimate stat padders if they never miss that one but missed CRUCIAL FT in their careers when it came to getting wins:biggums: :lol

ft's are a part of the game, another part where lebron is inferior to both.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Congrats, you're the most annoying of the new school Lebron stans. Good (actually terrible) work.
:cheers: :cheers:

[f0und]

Congrats, you're the most annoying of the new school Lebron stans. Good (actually terrible) work.

marlo is the fckn worst. have you ever been in a heat game thread with him in it? its beyond pathetic how hard he rides bron's nuts.

[tmacattack33]

you dont get it because you're 14 years old and never seen jordan or kobe in their primes... of course they missed free throws, but that particular one,? that gets them to 50? adds insult to injury? they dont miss that free throw.

This is not an intelligent argument man, I'm sorry.

Both Kobe and MJ have missed important free throws in their careers.

Your argument is that some crazy jedi force will turn them into 100% FT shooters due to the fact that that FT will get them the 50 point mark. :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

ft's are a part of the game, another part where lebron is inferior to both.
yeah but hes better in every other aspectoutside of scoring compared to MJ and if he keeps up his current efficency and PPG in the playoffs even that might be very close when its all over:bowdown: :bowdown:
but i am tired now of comparing mj and bran. both different approaches and bioth great.
kobe isnt even in the same tier.

[Knoe Itawl]

because lebrons career is still far from over:facepalm so far he has done more in his career than jordan at age 29 outside of PPG and he wont get worse the next 5 years at least.
you are also forgetting that lebron palyed with trash for 7 years, NEVEr had a great coach and that MJs bulls from 1990 on were just at least twice as good as the Heat.

Lebron is a great, great player. Actually doesn't get enough credit for what he was able to do with those Cavs team, considering the talent he had. I believe he will retire top 5.

He's just not better than Jordan. And I don't say that out of any Jordan nostalgia. If I felt Lebron had surpassed him, I'd give it to him. Jordan just had too many other gears he reached, specifically in the playoffs. Bron just hasn't reached those heights consistently enough yet to be compared to MJ. It's just the truth.

[Teanett]

This is not an intelligent argument man, I'm sorry.

Both Kobe and MJ have missed important free throws in their careers.

Your argument is that some crazy jedi force will turn them into 100% FT shooters due to the fact that that FT will get them the 50 point mark. :oldlol:

so an intelligent arguement would be me coming up with stats to validate the existence of this jedi force... but that's not possible.

however, i and everybody who saw kobe and mj in their primes would feel very positive about either making the 2nd of a pair of free throw to get them to 50 points.

i cant explain why, maybe it's because we've never seen jordan average 17ppg in the finals, or seen him visibly shaking in his pants.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lebron is a great, great player. Actually doesn't get enough credit for what he was able to do with those Cavs team, considering the talent he had. I believe he will retire top 5.

He's just not better than Jordan. And I don't say that out of any Jordan nostalgia. If I felt Lebron had surpassed him, I'd give it to him. Jordan just had too many other gears he reached, specifically in the playoffs. Bron just hasn't reached those heights consistently enough yet to be compared to MJ. It's just the truth.
well he had a load of legendary games so far, lets see how many he adds:cheers: :cheers:
of course hes not YET comparable but if he keeps winning he will.
i personally hope he can do that.:banana: :banana:

[Teanett]

yeah but hes better in every other aspectoutside of scoring compared to MJ and if he keeps up his current efficency and PPG in the playoffs even that might be very close when its all over:bowdown: :bowdown:
but i am tired now of comparing mj and bran. both different approaches and bioth great.
kobe isnt even in the same tier.

he is not. he is not a better defender.
he might be a more willing passer but he is not a better passer.
and playmaker? no way. look at the 96 bulls triangle offense. perfect execution. there were games were the whole didnt have to take a single bad shot.

this media hype of lebron being this great basketball mind is disturbing. last night he passed out of a double team for the hockey assist on bosh's 3.
what is so genius about that? he made the correct play, that's it.
lebron still jacks up more bad shots than doug collins era jordan.
but just because he aint russell westbrook doenst mean he's on jordan's level of understanding the game of basketball.

[tmacattack33]

so an intelligent arguement would be me coming up with stats to validate the existence of this jedi force... but that's not possible.

however, i and everybody who saw kobe and mj in their primes would feel very positive about either making the 2nd of a pair of free throw to get them to 50 points.

i cant explain why, maybe it's because we've never seen jordan average 17ppg in the finals, or seen him visibly shaking in his pants.

No, an intelligent argument here would be that you would at first acknowledge that MJ and Kobe were great FT shooters period (about 90% FT shooters), at all times, so obviously you'd be pretty confident in them making both.

But if you're trying to say that they would be even better than 90% on a last second FT to crack 50 points, then you would need evidence that MJ and Kobe get better in the clutch.

And that evidence is slightly there with MJ, and is not there at all with Kobe.

[Haymaker]

, in a much tougher era No

[Teanett]

No, an intelligent argument here would be that you would at first acknowledge that MJ and Kobe were great FT shooters period (about 90% FT shooters), at all times, so obviously you'd be pretty confident in them making both.

stopped reading right there.
you have no idea about both of them. why bother talking about them?

[Paul George 24]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

brandwagon is so pathetic :facepalm

[Paul George 24]

and water is wet

he will never as good as mj :no:

[Solefade]

damn marlo making lebron stans look like kobetards ITT

[tmacattack33]

stopped reading right there.
you have no idea about both of them. why bother talking about them?

Good, I'm glad you found a way out of continuing your highly questionable argument.

[Solefade]

lebron will be top 3 when he's done IMO

[Prometheus]

damn marlo making lebron stans look like kobetards ITT

Pretty much. It's so conflicted for me, I'm a huge LeBron fan but sometimes I cringe saying that because so many of his fans are so corny and ignorant.

I post a mouthful about how you can analyze their games in many ways and Jordan still comes out on top, and his response to me is "there's more than stats"... I even said in my post "you can look at stats or you can simply use the eye test" and brought up Jordan's ability to elevate his game in the playoffs or secure a psychological edge against his opponent. Marlo's answer "there's more than stats"... :facepalm

[livinglegend]

he will never as good as mj :no:

never as good, always better

[livinglegend]

he is not. he is not a better defender.
he might be a more willing passer but he is not a better passer.
and playmaker? no way. look at the 96 bulls triangle offense. perfect execution. there were games were the whole didnt have to take a single bad shot.

this media hype of lebron being this great basketball mind is disturbing. last night he passed out of a double team for the hockey assist on bosh's 3.
what is so genius about that? he made the correct play, that's it.
lebron still jacks up more bad shots than doug collins era jordan.
but just because he aint russell westbrook doenst mean he's on jordan's level of understanding the game of basketball.

you are making statements with no support...
next

[livinglegend]

no way is mj being stopped by boris diaw

hypothetical

next

[livinglegend]

so an intelligent arguement would be me coming up with stats to validate the existence of this jedi force... but that's not possible.

however, i and everybody who saw kobe and mj in their primes would feel very positive about either making the 2nd of a pair of free throw to get them to 50 points.

i cant explain why, maybe it's because we've never seen jordan average 17ppg in the finals, or seen him visibly shaking in his pants.

Jordan had his downs also
what s your point?

[Teanett]

Good, I'm glad you found a way out of continuing your highly questionable argument.

it's highly questionable for you because you cant tell the difference between kobe and jordan or reggie miller and mitch richmond.

[Teanett]

Jordan had his downs also
what s your point?

jordan's "downs" are more like 34/6/6 on 52% in a loss not 17ppg...

[livinglegend]

jordan's "downs" are more like 34/6/6 on 52% in a loss not 17ppg...

how about his 3/18 against the Knicks

[Teanett]

how about his 3/18 against the Knicks

:facepalm

[riseagainst]

how about his 3/18 against the Knicks

MJ had 21-8-11 2 TOs in a win

how bout lebron's 6/24 vs Boston....

21-5-6 7 TOs in a loss.


way worse.

[livinglegend]

MJ had 21-8-11 2 TOs

how bout lebron's 6/24 vs Boston....

21-5-6 7 TOs

when did i say that lebron didnt have down.
Jordan had his downs, lebron also

[livinglegend]

:facepalm

how about his 5/19 and 5 turnovers in the finals

[Keno]

ft's are a part of the game, another part where lebron is inferior to both.

lol another part? that's pretty much the only department kobe is better than lebron.

[livinglegend]

MJ had 21-8-11 2 TOs in a win

how bout lebron's 6/24 vs Boston....

21-5-6 7 TOs in a loss.


way worse.

getting bail out by pippen s 29 points on 10-12 shooting

[hitmanyr2k]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.

[riseagainst]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.

:lol
:applause:

[SamuraiSWISH]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.
:applause:

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/735210/flags/LL

[kamil]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs29/i/2008/083/a/0/Boom_Headshot_by_Nectalite.png

[diamenz]

lol - i've never seen livinglegend so thirsty in a thread. if bron had a better fanbase he wouldn't look so bad on this board.

great game from james.

[20Four]

lol - i've never seen livinglegend so thirsty in a thread. if bron had a better fanbase he wouldn't look so bad on this board.

great game from james.
Hes thirsty for lebronze jizz

[Kingwillball]

I have watched the NBA since the 80's and no question Lebron is the most polarizing Player since Prime Shaq and the best Player since MJ. He truly is the face of the NBA and one of the best players to ever play the game if U think about how good he was in HS all the hype and how he lived up to the Hype and in some ways surpassed it. I think Lebron need another 5 great/very good seasons with at least another 2 titles to be put in best ever conversation but as it stands now he is one of the best players I and any of U have seen play and thus why he has so many haters.

[20Four]

I have watched the NBA since the 80's and no question Lebron is the most polarizing Player since Prime Shaq and the best Player since MJ. He truly is the face of the NBA and one of the best players to ever play the game if U think about how good he was in HS all the hype and how he lived up to the Hype and in some ways surpassed it. I think Lebron need another 5 great/very good seasons with at least another 2 titles to be put in best ever conversation but as it stands now he is one of the best players I and any of U have seen play and thus why he has so many haters.
Looking at your avy...doesn't mean much coming from you :roll:

[Solefade]

Looking at your avy...doesn't mean much coming from you :roll:


the irony of this post

[pegasus]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[GimmeThat]

If Lebron were to truly play at his full potential 48 minutes a game. He would be the closest to posting up Wilt's stats in modern day basketball.

But that is no promise to help him win rings.

Recognizing game scenarios and situations as well as team chemistry performance.

He can and will become greater than MJ

Greater, I didn't say better.

[chazzy]

He wasn't better than KD for most of the year, and after 8 playoff games, he's the greatest ever? :lol

[kshutts1]

I think Jordan is the 2011-2014 Chicago Bulls of players... he is ALWAYS going "Championship on the line" hard. Always. The huge difference, though, is that he had "Miami Heat" talent. He quite literally probably maxed himself out. I have never really come away from a game thinking.... Jordan left a little out there. He could have done more.

Lebron, on the other hand... He may be more talented/better than MJ, but only when/if Lebron is playing at his "Championship on the line" level. He, just like Shaq, and probably many others before him, just tends to coast all too often to be considered the GOAT.

Lebron at his best and Jordan at his best? That's incredibly close. But taking the day-to-day play, games, etc... that's Jordan, and Lebron will likely never pass him. If he has not changed his "habits" by now, he likely won't.

[atljonesbro]

Jordan Mythologists/Nostalgists are a funny, insecure group.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan Mythologists/Nostalgists are a funny, insecure group.

Most insecure fan base by far. Their favorite player is retired so all they can do now is root for other players to fail, cheer on the Bobcats, and beat off to Space Jam. LeBron is better than their favorite player ever was.

[Alan Ogg]

Jordan will always be greater. LeBron is lacking the killer instinct.

[Teanett]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.
:applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan will always be greater. LeBron is lacking the killer instinct.

Agreed. LeBron would never be able to get a family member killed over gambling debts.

[Teanett]

Agreed. LeBron would never be able to get a family member killed over gambling debts.

yeah, he got his mom f****d by a teammate for no reason.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan Mythologists/Nostalgists are a funny, insecure group.

Why do you repeat yourself in every thread, power glove?

Reality is not "nostalgia".. :oldlol:

[Kvnzhangyay]

Peak for peak, impact wise, its a tossup, but there's pretty much no chance Lebron surpasses Jordan career wise

[SilkkTheShocker]

LeBron took garbage to 60 win seasons. Jordan couldn't even win a playoff series without Pippen :oldlol: Hell, LeBron left the Cavs and they lost 26 straight games. Jordan leaves the Bulls and they win 55 games and go to 7 games in the ECSF :oldlol:

LeBron>>>>Jordan.

Jordan stans worship the worst GM ever, owner of shit franchise, degenerate gambling clown that has a small c.ock (ask Madonna). No wonder he is always so salty :lol Wouldn't even be shocked if LeBron was better baseball player :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

yeah, he got his mom f****d by a teammate for no reason.

so you grew up assuming your mom never had sex until you were how old?

[eliteballer]

This seems to be said every year when Lebron is going through cupcake eastern conference opponents until he gets to the Finals and shoots his typical sub 30% from the perimeter and looks like a scared passive bitch where teams stand 5 feet from him and dare him to shoot. Then everyone gets a dose of reality and knows he will never be on Jordan's level.

:lol

[riseagainst]

LeBron took garbage to 60 win seasons. Jordan couldn't even win a playoff series without Pippen :oldlol: Hell, LeBron left the Cavs and they lost 26 straight games. Jordan leaves the Bulls and they win 55 games and go to 7 games in the ECSF :oldlol:

LeBron>>>>Jordan.

Jordan stans worship the worst GM ever, owner of shit franchise, degenerate gambling clown that has a small c.ock (ask Madonna). No wonder he is always so salty :lol Wouldn't even be shocked if LeBron was better baseball player :oldlol:

If I didn't know your history here, I would have guessed that you are an MJ stan. You are obsessed with him, you even know how big/small his c0ck is, and remember it religiously.
:wtf:
:biggums:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:lol

Both are better than Kobe, what the **** you laughing at, boy :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

I know that MJ is the GOAT, but the more I watch Lebron these days the more I think that he's a more dominant player than MJ.

Even more so when I watch Cavaliers Lebron videos, especially in 2009, he was godlike during those years.

That same year when he won the MVP and then went on National TV and admitted he wasn't better than Kobe. That year, yes I remember.

Makes Kobe Goat of Goats then. It's nice to see a LeStan admit his boy is inferior to Kobe - even if doing so unconsciously.

[Rooster]

Peak for peak, impact wise, its a tossup, but there's pretty much no chance Lebron surpasses Jordan career wise

Lebron has better trajectory at this point but he need to evolve to be a post player because once his athleticism fades, I don't think he will be an elite player.

[Rooster]

Both are better than Kobe, what the **** you laughing at, boy :oldlol:


Jordan yes but Lebron:no:

[PickernRoller]

Peak for peak, impact wise, its a tossup, but there's pretty much no chance Lebron surpasses Jordan career wise

False. Too bad LeQueen never played in an era where hand checking was the norm and where the paint was actually guarded by physical seven footers with skill.

I won't blame him for playing in a weak era but his lack of offesive skills, one-on one skills and lack of post moves for over half of his career puts him a country mile away.

Then again this is a circle jerk thread w/ of LeStans and their alternate accounts so.....whatever makes them feel better about sucking a man's p3nis

[SilkkTheShocker]

Jordan yes but Lebron:no:

Don't fool yourself. LeBron is better than Kobe ever was.

[triangleoffense]

The better basketball player? No way in hell
The better career? Most likely no but we'll see, 4 more championships and 4 more FMVPs is nearly impossible to match, especially given Lebron's reliance on his athleticism
The more skilled basketball player? Laughable even at this point in his career.

The better athlete? <--- this is the only thing worth debating

[PickernRoller]

Don't fool yourself. LeBron is better than Kobe ever was.

You're only fooling yourself for believing otherwise. Kobe>Lebron. Simple fact of life.

[Rooster]

Don't fool yourself. LeBron is better than Kobe ever was.

Your perception is your reality.:rolleyes:

Not everyone else:no:

[PickernRoller]

The better basketball player? No way in hell
The better career? Most likely no but we'll see, 4 more championships and 4 more FMVPs is nearly impossible to match, especially given Lebron's reliance on his athleticism
The more skilled basketball player? Laughable even at this point in his career.

The better athlete? <--- this is the only thing worth debating

He doesn't win in this department either. Nikka going against the Brook Lopez of the world in the paint.....

I would of loved to see Lebron go at it against the twin towers, Robinson and Duncan....

The fail would of been of epic proportions....too bad this weak era has nothing comparable or close.

[SilkkTheShocker]

These Kobe fans getting insecure :eek:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Too easy.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again?

[PickernRoller]

These Kobe fans getting insecure :eek:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Too easy.

There is nothing insecure about this:

5>2
Kobe>Lebron.
Top 10> Top 15-20.

Let me know how secure you feel about your boy being disrespected by the greats everytime they have to make a choice of whose is better.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again?

How many titles does Lebron have without Wade?

Silly post

[PickernRoller]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again?

Lebron's record without Ray Allen, Wade and Bosh?

A sweep of stains.

Better to be 6-0 than 0-1 without "help" and 2-3 with stacked help.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

How many titles does Lebron have without Wade?

Silly post

He still has more playoff success without Wade than Jordan does without Pippen :no:

[Legends66NBA7]

Jordan is a more consistent regular season and playoff performer than James. Since Jordan is a better playoff performer than James, James certainly cannot be more dominant.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Lebron's record without Ray Allen, Wade and Bosh?

A sweep of stains.

Better to be 6-0 than 0-1 without "help" and 2-3 with stacked help.

Stop trying to get my attention. I'm way out of your league.

[PickernRoller]

Stop trying to get my attention. I'm way out of your league.

Ohh but I just got it....:oldlol: :oldlol:

Like a crack hoe...

How does it feel to be in my pocket again. I forgot I tossed you off a while ago....

Still salty I see. :lol

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Joking aside, I'm sure most people on this thread are trolling. Lebron still has a lot left to prove if he wants to catch up to Jordan. Three-peating would be a good start.

[chazzy]

Stop trying to get my attention. I'm way out of your league.
Lol, who exactly do you think you are? Pippen came to the Bulls in 87, so what MJ did in his first 2 full seasons is irrelevant.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Stop trying to get my attention. I'm way out of your league.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

It's cute how Kobe fans always come to their fellow Kobetards' aid :oldlol: :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

Lol, who exactly do you think you are? Pippen came to the Bulls in 87, so what MJ did in his first 2 full seasons is irrelevant.

Just another LeStan clown with no basketball knowledge whatsoever. Trying to hang to the most ridiculous arguments to claim his boy is better.

The only objective is to seek the validation from others here. Thread backfire is always lovely.

[LBJ 23]

Lebron's record without Ray Allen, Wade and Bosh?



Deep playoff runs and never losing in the 1st round which can't be said neither for Kobe or Jordan.

Not hating on Jordan btw

[PickernRoller]

It's cute how Kobe fans always come to their fellow Kobetards' aid :oldlol: :oldlol:

Isn't that what Silk is doing a post above urs? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Thread got sh1tted on. LeStans deflecting the issue cause they can't handle it. :roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

It's cute how Kobe fans always come to their fellow Kobetards' aid :oldlol: :oldlol:

You can feel the legit anger of Kobe fans even over the internet. The butthurt in them is strong.
















































LeBron>>>>>>>>Kobe all-time :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

^^^The circle jerk has begun.....

http://i60.tinypic.com/2q1gh0z.jpg

[sportjames23]

Better basketball player? that's a debate, Jordan is the better shooter but don't know if he's better scorer, Lebron is the better passer, Defensively, they're similar, i give a slight edge to Lebron because his size allows him to guard 1-5.

Better on all-time list, Lebron still needs 5 rings + 5-6mvps, long way ahead of him.


Oh, shit, dude. You don't know if MJ is the better scorer? That confirms you never watched him play.

And kill that noise about Lebron being able to guard all five positions. That nigguh has NEVER been able to do that.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Oh, shit, dude. You don't know if MJ is the better scorer? That confirms you never watched him play.

And kill that noise about Lebron being able to guard all five positions. That nigguh has NEVER been able to do that.

Stop saying "nigguh". No one thinks your Steve Urkel ass is from the streets :lol

[f0und]

its a widely considered fact that jordan is the greatest playoff and finals performer ever. thats a pretty big time recognition and big reason why he's considered GOAT. now are you lebron stans saying that lebron is an even better playoff and finals performer?

[TheMan]

LeBron took garbage to 60 win seasons. Jordan couldn't even win a playoff series without Pippen :oldlol: Hell, LeBron left the Cavs and they lost 26 straight games. Jordan leaves the Bulls and they win 55 games and go to 7 games in the ECSF :oldlol:

LeBron>>>>Jordan.

Jordan stans worship the worst GM ever, owner of shit franchise, degenerate gambling clown that has a small c.ock (ask Madonna). No wonder he is always so salty :lol Wouldn't even be shocked if LeBron was better baseball player :oldlol:
This nikka so angry :oldlol: Jimmies rustled, check...

To all these delusional LeBran stans, just one comparison.

Compare LBJ's first four Finals stats averages to Jordan's four Final's stats, hint, it ain't pretty for your boy.

In b4 excuses for LeBron's weaker Finals stats :oldlol:

I'll throw you a bone, compare LeBron's best Finals stats to MJ's FIRST Finals stats...:oldlol:

[sportjames23]

If Lebron were to truly play at his full potential 48 minutes a game. He would be the closest to posting up Wilt's stats in modern day basketball.

But that is no promise to help him win rings.

Recognizing game scenarios and situations as well as team chemistry performance.

He can and will become greater than MJ

Greater, I didn't say better.


He'll never be greater nor better than MJ.

And there is no difference between greater or better.


I swear, these stans...:facepalm

[sportjames23]

Jordan Mythologists/Nostalgists are a funny, insecure group.


And you stans are a delusional group of fakkits.

[PickernRoller]

This nikka so angry :oldlol: Jimmies rustled, check...

To all these delusional LeBran stans, just one comparison.

Compare LBJ's first four Finals stats averages to LeBron's four Final's stats, hint, it ain't pretty for your boy.

In b4 excuses for LeBron's weaker Finals stats :oldlol:

I'll throw you a bone, compare LeBron's best Finals stats to MJ's FIRST Finals stats...:oldlol:

Lebron is the worst Finals performer of all time....no debate.

2 horrible, embarrasing performances in 07 and 11 that ended up in loses, one of them being a sweep.

1 Solid Final resulting in a win and a mediocre showing resulting in a squeezed win if not for Ray.

LeStans are delusional - worst fanbase here.

[triangleoffense]

So silkktheshocker = helige huh?

This makes sense.

[sportjames23]

What was Jordan's record without Pippen again?


What's Pippen's without MJ?

What's Lebron's without D-Wade?


Yeah, I thought so, mutha****a.

[sportjames23]

Deep playoff runs and never losing in the 1st round which can't be said neither for Kobe or Jordan.

Not hating on Jordan btw


No losing in the first round for Bron, sure.

However, doe, he WAS missing the playoffs for the first two years of his career, something MJ never did.

Not hating on Bron btw

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Most insecure fan base by far. Their favorite player is retired so all they can do now is root for other players to fail, cheer on the Bobcats, and beat off to Space Jam. LeBron is better than their favorite player ever was.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[sportjames23]

Stop saying "nigguh". No one thinks your Steve Urkel ass is from the streets :lol


We do know your fakkit ass is from the trailer park doe.

Double wide, bitch!

[JUDGE WITNESS]

Just as you surpassed stupidity at the same time. You're into dumbass territory now.
im glad u finally accept the fact :applause:

[TheMan]

What's Pippen's without MJ?

What's Lebron's without D-Wade?


Yeah, I thought so, mutha****a.
Wade is a FMVP

Pip, and I love him but no MVP or FMVP. But yeah, MJ ain't nuthing without Pip:rolleyes:

BTW, I'm still mad Pip cost us a chip with his "migraine".

[riseagainst]

Silkke is on the verge of a mental breakdown.

:lol

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron took garbage to 60 win seasons. Jordan couldn't even win a playoff series without Pippen :oldlol: Hell, LeBron left the Cavs and they lost 26 straight games. Jordan leaves the Bulls and they win 55 games and go to 7 games in the ECSF :oldlol:

LeBron>>>>Jordan.

Jordan stans worship the worst GM ever, owner of shit franchise, degenerate gambling clown that has a small c.ock (ask Madonna). No wonder he is always so salty :lol Wouldn't even be shocked if LeBron was better baseball player :oldlol:
this post is pure ETHER for the mythologists.

[SilkkTheShocker]

And you stans are a delusional group of fakkits.

Calm down, Urkel :oldlol:

[aboss4real24]

MJ Is better than Lebron at every aspect of the game

But 1 thing 4 sure

Kobe isnt n this discussion

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wade is a FMVP

Pip, and I love him but no MVP or FMVP. But yeah, MJ ain't nuthing without Pip:rolleyes:

BTW, I'm still mad Pip cost us a chip with his "migraine".
Wade was shit last year and is this year again so far. he will bounce back but the Pippen version Mj won his titles with is way better than the version of Wade bran won his titles with.
not even speaking about the fact that Grant and Rodman shit all over Bosh impact wise

[HoopsFanNumero1]

The typical Lakers fans:

http://i.imgur.com/DLsu5yz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Wnnt4Qf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZiwhHBo.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OWna82Czwbg/TPR8XrE2IFI/AAAAAAAAAGc/8SwkHsq1ypQ/s1600/justin-bieber-lakers-game-04.jpg

[aboss4real24]

LB Jus dunks n get layups

[livinglegend]

What's Pippen's without MJ?

What's Lebron's without D-Wade?


Yeah, I thought so, mutha****a.

lebron without wade > Pippen without Jordan > Jordan without Pippen

next

[TheMan]

Lebron is the worst Finals performer of all time....no debate.

2 horrible, embarrasing performances in 07 and 11 that ended up in loses, one of them being a sweep.

1 Solid Final resulting in a win and a mediocre showing resulting in a squeezed win if not for Ray.

LeStans are delusional - worst fanbase here.
True, they getting murked here but they're too dim to realize it. They're going apeshit over a great 49 pt game by Bran when MJ has like a dozen more of those playoff performances:oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

this post is pure ETHER for the mythologists.

they mad now :oldlol:

[20Four]

they mad now :oldlol:
Hows the burger flipping silkthecocker? Your so negative you must have a shitty job and never accomplished your goals in life...lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

they mad now :oldlol:
Lebron leaves cleveland after 60 win season--->Cleveland franchise looking like Catshit ever since and lost 26 straight in the next season
Jordan leaves Bulls--> Win only two games less in the next season

but but but Mj had a higher impact:cry: :cry: :cry:

[livinglegend]

Hows the burger flipping silkthecocker? Your so negative you must have a shitty job and never accomplished your goals in life...lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

who are those midget trannies on your avy?

[JUDGE WITNESS]

Lebron leaves cleveland after 60 win season--->Cleveland franchise looking like Catshit ever since and lost 26 straight in the next season
Jordan leaves Bulls--> Win only two games less in the next season

but but but Mj had a higher impact:cry: :cry: :cry:
:lol :lol

mj the goat doe right

[TheMan]

lebron without wade > Pippen without Jordan > Jordan without Pippen

next
Peak wise

MJ >> LBJ > Wade > Pippen

Wade has a FMVP without LeBron, Pippen never even made the Finals without Jordan, fact

deal with it

[livinglegend]

Lebron leaves cleveland after 60 win season--->Cleveland franchise looking like Catshit ever since and lost 26 straight in the next season
Jordan leaves Bulls--> Win only two games less in the next season

but but but Mj had a higher impact:cry: :cry: :cry:

Replace MJ with Reggie Miller, Bulls still win 6 championships.

[livinglegend]

Peak wise

MJ >> LBJ > Wade > Pippen

Wade has a FMVP without LeBron, Pippen never even made the Finals without Jordan, fact

deal with it

when did MJ make the finals without Pippen?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Peak wise

MJ >> LBJ > Wade > Pippen

Wade has a FMVP without LeBron, Pippen never even made the Finals without Jordan, fact

deal with it
what does Wades peak have to to with LeBron??
LeBron was nowhere close to Wade in his peak. meanwhile Pippen spend his entire prime with MJ:roll: :roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Hows the burger flipping silkthecocker? Your so negative you must have a shitty job and never accomplished your goals in life...lol :roll: :roll: :roll:

You're honestly too easy to really even argue with. It's like putting prime Mike Tyson up against Dan Gilbert's r,etarded kid.

[TheMan]

:lol :lol

mj the goat doe right
2011 Finals doe

yup, LBJ the GOAT :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

MJ 1-11 without Pippen in the playoffs.
Fact!

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron leaves cleveland after 60 win season--->Cleveland franchise looking like Catshit ever since and lost 26 straight in the next season
Jordan leaves Bulls--> Win only two games less in the next season

but but but Mj had a higher impact:cry: :cry: :cry:

Exactly. No one in the NBA history has more impact on NBA games than LeBron James. The suicide hotline has their hands full after the Finals. this place is going to be a wreck :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

2011 Finals doe

yup, LBJ the GOAT :oldlol:
everyone has a weak series like mj vs orlando:roll: :roll: :roll:
Lehumble wanted to give Wade the alpha role because Wade was so good in the finals and they gameplanned to stop lebron.
LeHumble:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Exactly. No one in the NBA history has more impact on NBA games than LeBron James. The suicide hotline has their hands full after the Finals. this place is going to be a wreck :oldlol:
:lol :lol it sure will be:rolleyes:

[JUDGE WITNESS]

2011 Finals doe

yup, LBJ the GOAT :oldlol:
mj couldnt even win playoff games without pippen :lol

[SilkkTheShocker]

2011 Finals doe

yup, LBJ the GOAT :oldlol:

Wade wasn't good enough to lead them to the win. Notice how once LeBron got full control of the team they won titles

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SilkkTheShocker]

mj couldnt even win playoff games without pippen :lol

Replace LeBron with Jordan and the Cavs would have been playing in Vancouver after a few years :oldlol:

[TheMan]

when did MJ make the finals without Pippen?
Pip was a Bull from 87 to 98, all of MJ's career as a Bulls player:confusedshrug:

Then came back as an old guy to a bad Wiz team because he was bored.

MJ was the reason Bulls have 6 titles, don't get it twisted.

6 Finals, 6 and 0 with 6 FMVPs

get back in my pocket

too easy

[Bandito]

Think more.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

Replace LeBron with Jordan and the Cavs would have been playing in Vancouver after a few years :oldlol:
the bulls would have 8 chips :lol

[TheMan]

Wade wasn't good enough to lead them to the win. Notice how once LeBron got full control of the team they won titles

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Brans shit the bed fest in 11 cost Wade his second FMVP doe

[97 bulls]

Lebron leaves cleveland after 60 win season--->Cleveland franchise looking like Catshit ever since and lost 26 straight in the next season
Jordan leaves Bulls--> Win only two games less in the next season

but but but Mj had a higher impact:cry: :cry: :cry:
Hold on. The HEAT before James arrived won 47 games. With James AND Bosh they only win 11 more??????? Along with an embarrassing loss to an underdog Mavericks team that had a key player injured in Coron Butler.

The 95 Bulls without Jordan were on pace to win 44-45 games. With Jordan AND Rodman in 96? And NBA record 72 wins. And an NBA title. Let's not get it twisted.

Hell A rusty Jordan Joined the Bulls in 95 and they ended up improving at a rate of 12 wins. That's better than a prime James and Bosh. In a much better conference.

[livinglegend]

Pip was a Bull from 87 to 98, all of MJ's career as a Bulls player:confusedshrug:

Then came back as an old guy to a bad Wiz team because he was bored.

MJ was the reason Bulls have 6 titles, don't get it twisted.

6 Finals, 6 and 0 with 6 FMVPs

get back in my pocket

too easy

55 wins without him.
Replace him with Miller, they win 6 championships.
Maybe even more because he wouldnt give up to the team to play baseball.

[riseagainst]

55 wins without him.
Replace him with Miller, they win 6 championships.
Maybe even more because he wouldnt give up to the team to play baseball.

I thought you were against hypotheticals?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336043

[SilkkTheShocker]

55 wins without Jordan. Cleveland didn't even win a combined 55 games in two years after LeBron left :oldlol:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

55 wins without Jordan. Cleveland didn't even win a combined 55 games in two years after LeBron left :oldlol:
holy freaking cow:roll: :roll: :applause:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Pip was a Bull from 87 to 98, all of MJ's career as a Bulls player:confusedshrug:

Then came back as an old guy to a bad Wiz team because he was bored.

MJ was the reason Bulls have 6 titles, don't get it twisted.

6 Finals, 6 and 0 with 6 FMVPs

get back in my pocket

too easy


Another swing and miss from you. If you were a baseball player you would be Michael Jordan :oldlol:

[Teanett]

55 wins without Jordan. Cleveland didn't even win a combined 55 games in two years after LeBron left :oldlol:

the 55 game season will always be used as an argument against jordan,
but it's like this:

-3peat with jordan
-2nd round exit without

:pimp:

[Solefade]

the 55 game season will always be used as an argument against jordan,
but it's like this:

-3peat with jordan
-2nd round exit without

:pimp:

2nd round rig job for the knicks w/o jordan got it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

the 55 game season will always be used as an argument against jordan,
but it's like this:

-3peat with jordan
-2nd round exit without

:pimp:

Cavs without LeBron: 3 top 10 picks, 26 game losing streak, fired GM, and two fired coaches :applause:

[Teanett]

Cavs without LeBron: 3 top 10 picks, 26 game losing streak, fired GM, and two fired coaches :applause:

Cavs with Lebron: good eastern conference team, not as good as Orlando Magic

[97 bulls]

Hold on. The HEAT before James arrived won 47 games. With James AND Bosh they only win 11 more??????? Along with an embarrassing loss to an underdog Mavericks team that had a key player injured in Coron Butler.

The 95 Bulls without Jordan were on pace to win 44-45 games. With Jordan AND Rodman in 96? And NBA record 72 wins. And an NBA title. Let's not get it twisted.

Hell A rusty Jordan Joined the Bulls in 95 and they ended up improving at a rate of 12 wins. That's better than a prime James and Bosh. In a much better conference.
......

[Roundball_Rock]

Comparing them during the second round of the playoffs is premature. A comparison would make more sense after the season is done. However, for those who say Jordan is light years ahead of Lebron, let's look at this hypothetical, which assumes the Heat win another title this year:

Jordan versus Lebron at 29 (hypothetical)

Championships: Lebron 3, Jordan 3
Finals appearances: Lebron 5, Jordan 3
MVP's: Lebron 4, Jordan 3
All-NBA first teams: Jordan 7, Lebron 7

How can anyone say with a straight face that this is not, if Lebron keeps it up for a few more years, going to be a legitimate comparison?

Keep in mind Jordan accomplished nothing in the NBA during ages 30 and 31. Lebron conceivably could add 2 rings and 2 MVP's during that period. Longevity matters in basketball (it is one of the things that hurts Bird in all-time rankings) and Jordan deciding to take 1 3/4 years off in his prime will work to his detriment. It was a great story while it happened but losing 2 years of your prime on a quixotic whim is not a plus factor for your legacy. Jordan would have added another championship in 1994 and 1-2 MVP's during that period had he not retired--but he did and we cannot credit him from potential, even likely, accomplishments absent that bizarre decision. Has any other all-time great--in any sport--taken 2 years off for such an odd reason right in the middle of his prime (this excludes people like Ted Williams who spent part of their primes fighting in WW2)?


Regarding the 1994 Bulls, keep in mind the Bulls did not even replace Jordan with a legitimate NBA player. Since MJ retired 2 days before training camp the Bulls were stuck with a CBA (that era's D-League) player to replace him. Imagine that team if they were able to acquire a true NBA-caliber starting SG.


but it's like this:

-3peat with jordan
-2nd round exit without

Yeah--and they also had a 2nd round exit in 95' with Jordan (they actually did slightly worse the following year, going down in 6 games versus 7 games). The big change in 1996 was adding the greatest rebounder of the generation to remedy the 95' Bulls biggest weakness.

The 2nd round exit in 94' was caused by what everyone, outside of Jordan stans, agrees was one of the worst phantom calls in playoff history. The Bulls should have made it to the Finals, at minimum, that year.

That second round exit was to the Knicks, who narrowly beat the Bulls for the best record. If Pippen and Grant did not miss time the Bulls would have had HCA in the ECSF and likely advanced. The Bulls were the #3 seed with 55 wins to the Knicks 57, but it was even closer than that as both teams were within 1 game entering the final game of the season. Since the Knicks held all the tiebreakers, both teams rested their starters. That the 94' Bulls could come that close to the top seed even with injuries to their best players speaks volumes about how good that team was.

[diamenz]

youtube.com the artistry of lebron james

aw sh!t can't find anything.

wait, i found a video of him bulldozing to the basket, committing an offensive foul and getting a free throw with his "earned, not given" 'and 1'.

[Solefade]

Hold on. The HEAT before James arrived won 47 games. With James AND Bosh they only win 11 more??????? Along with an embarrassing loss to an underdog Mavericks team that had a key player injured in Coron Butler.

The 95 Bulls without Jordan were on pace to win 44-45 games. With Jordan AND Rodman in 96? And NBA record 72 wins. And an NBA title. Let's not get it twisted.

Hell A rusty Jordan Joined the Bulls in 95 and they ended up improving at a rate of 12 wins. That's better than a prime James and Bosh. In a much better conference.

did you really just compare a washed up wade to a top player in the league at the time in pippen and chris motha ****in bosh to dennis rodman?

[97 bulls]

Cavs without LeBron: 3 top 10 picks, 26 game losing streak, fired GM, and two fired coaches :applause:
Lol. Its been almost twenty years since the Bulls won their last championship and Jordans retirement. The Bulls have one ecf appearance. TWO GMs working together, and a plethora of coaches. Two number 1 draft picks etc.

And get this...... the Bulls Organization broke up Jordans Bulls. They wanted to part ways.

[97 bulls]

did you really just compare a washed up wade to a top player in the league at the time in pippen and chris motha ****in bosh to dennis rodman?
Wade was washed up in 2010 and 11?

[aboss4real24]

Jordan got 1 million fts a game http://i.imgur.com/godQHKt.png

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Finally, someone sees the truth.












































































































































































































































































































http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lebron-james-dancing-o.gif


LBJ's dancing>>>>>ghetto gypsy voodoo Moonwalk dance.

[Solefade]

Wade was washed up in 2010 and 11?

wade's last healthy year was 2011 and they didn't win because wade wasn't good enough to carry them over the hump and because lebron choked, but the point is bron's been winning with minimal help in 2012 and 2013