Where would Lebron rank alltime if he played in the 60's?

[Railgun]

Obviously it would go up. Would he become the majority-accepted GOAT? He's already on his way to top 3-5, so him becoming the best player ever in a weaker era isn't farfetched at all.

[LongLiveTheKing]

1-2 most definitely weak era.

[IncarceratedBob]

We would diminish his accomplishments by saying he only played against tiny white guys, he would be 8-15.

[bmd]

He would be so dominant it wouldn't even be funny. He could score whenever he wanted.

[Budadiiii]

We would diminish his accomplishments by saying he only played against tiny white guys, he would be 8-15.
So about the same?

[Budadiiii]

He would be so dominant it wouldn't even be funny. He could score whenever he wanted.
Just like he could win the dunk contest if he wanted.

Just like he could score 40 a night, if he wanted.

[LAZERUSS]

Obviously it would go up. Would he become the majority-accepted GOAT? He's already on his way to top 3-5, so him becoming the best player ever in a weaker era isn't farfetched at all.

I could be just as hypothetical...he probably would have been nothing more than a Gus Johnson.

Keep in mind that players generally went to college (most for for four years), and thus he likely would never have made the NBA at all.

[Railgun]

I could be just as hypothetical...he probably would have been nothing more than a Gus Johnson.

Keep in mind that players generally went to college (most for for four years), and thus he likely would never have made the NBA at all.
Stopped reading at Gus Johnson. I don't who the **** that is.

[LAZERUSS]

Stopped reading at Gus Johnson. I don't who the **** that is.

And likely the casual fans of the 60's would not have known who Lebron was, either, had he been playing in that era...

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Just like he could win the dunk contest if he wanted.

Just like he could score 40 a night, if he wanted.
just like you are a retarded?:coleman:

[Budadiiii]

just like you are a retarded?:coleman:
I remember when gimmicks used to mean something.

[Joyner82reload]

Probably the GOAT, unless you put Durant in the 60's as well. Then he would be #2 all time.

[SHAQisGOAT]

We would diminish his accomplishments by saying he only played against tiny white guys, he would be 8-15.

Best post here :oldlol:


I could be just as hypothetical...he probably would have been nothing more than a Gus Johnson.

Keep in mind that players generally went to college (most for for four years), and thus he likely would never have made the NBA at all.

I was just about to mention Gus Johnson.

With his mentality I bet Lebron doesn't even make the NBA with all the racial tensions and so on, assuming he'd be the same "type" of person. Plus physicality in the league would make him crumble.
If not, beast just like today but read the 1st post I've quoted.

[Railgun]

He would be so dominant it wouldn't even be funny. He could score whenever he wanted.
I agree.

[aj1987]

I could be just as hypothetical...he probably would have been nothing more than a Gus Johnson.

Keep in mind that players generally went to college (most for for four years), and thus he likely would never have made the NBA at all.
You're a grade A retard. Gus Johnson? Yeah. You're no better than the idiots who compare Wilt to McGee.

[Budadiiii]

Best post here :oldlol:



I was just about to mention Gus Johnson.

With his mentality I bet Lebron doesn't even make the NBA with all the racial tensions and so on, assuming he'd be the same "type" of person. Plus physicality in the league would make him crumble.
If not, beast just like today but read the 1st post I've quoted.
Exactly.

LeBron has it easy in this era. Everyone has been on his dick from day one and he still can't handle the 'pressure'.

Imagine how he would respond to some redneck yelling 'N*GG**!!!' to him during the game, or getting death threats for being black.

LeBron just isn't cut out for that. Way too fragile to exist in the 50's or 60's.

[Kblaze8855]

A 6'8'' 230 or so(smaller with no weight training) high school player would be a back to the basket bigman in the 50s in high school. By the time he got to the NBA he wouldnt be the least bit similar to the Lebron we know.

That said...drop him magically into the 60s having grown up in this era?

Elgin Baylor with better shooting percentages. But hes not a lock to win at will. Wilt could drop 50-75 points whenever he liked. Lebrons 50-75 wouldnt count any more.

And if Lebron played in the 60s without us having seen him to know what he could do almost every disrespectful know nothing modern fan(...so...most) wouldnt believe he could be an elite player today.

Someone would post a picture of some white guys they know nothing about from 1952 claim it was his competition in 1968 and act like Dwight Howard and Larry Sanders would be much harder to score over than Wilt, Russell, Thurmond, and so on.

The kind of person who assumes modern guys would kill 60s players would just group Lebron with the 60s players to discredit and start claiming that Jr Smith in Lebrons time would be as good or better.

[SHAQisGOAT]

A 6'8'' 230 or so(smaller with no weight training) high school player would be a back to the basket bigman in the 50s in high school. By the time he got to the NBA he wouldnt be the least bit similar to the Lebron we know.

That said...drop him magically into the 60s having grown up in this era?

Elgin Baylor with better shooting percentages. But hes not a lock to win at will. Wilt could drop 50-75 points whenever he liked. Lebrons 50-75 wouldnt count any more.

And if Lebron played in the 60s without us having seen him to know what he could do almost every disrespectful know nothing modern fan(...so...most) wouldnt believe he could be an elite player today.

Someone would post a picture of some white guys they know nothing about from 1952 claim it was his competition in 1968 and act like Dwight Howard and Larry Sanders would be much harder to score over than Wilt, Russell, Thurmond, and so on.

The kind of person who assumes modern guys would kill 60s players would just group Lebron with the 60s players to discredit and start claiming that Jr Smith in Lebrons time would be as good or better.


:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

In all honesty, and if, as some have suggested he could survive the bigotry of that era, as well as deal with much worse medical and "suplemental" support, and I suspect that he would have rivaled Elgin Baylor's numbers.

Great players are great players...in any era.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

same as in any era:GOAT

[Psileas]

And if Lebron played in the 60s without us having seen him to know what he could do almost every disrespectful know nothing modern fan(...so...most) wouldnt believe he could be an elite player today.

Someone would post a picture of some white guys they know nothing about from 1952 claim it was his competition in 1968 and act like Dwight Howard and Larry Sanders would be much harder to score over than Wilt, Russell, Thurmond, and so on.

The kind of person who assumes modern guys would kill 60s players would just group Lebron with the 60s players to discredit and start claiming that Jr Smith in Lebrons time would be as good or better.

Pretty much this. The more dominant LeBron (or whoever) would be, the more it would drive ignorant fans into discrediting the era (and LeBron himself), because discrediting is always easier than recognizing.
And the bolded one is pretty much what happens every time a troll brings up the early 50's Cousy dribbling gif - ironically, usually in threads concerning 60's centers...

[LAZERUSS]

Pretty much this. The more dominant LeBron (or whoever) would be, the more it would drive ignorant fans into discrediting the era (and LeBron himself), because discrediting is always easier than recognizing.
And the bolded one is pretty much what happens every time a troll brings up the early 50's Cousy dribbling gif.


And they never bring up this player, who was playing college ball in the 60's, either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

[bmd]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.

[Railgun]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.
:roll: :roll:
GOAT post

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.
:lol :applause:

[Flash31]

Everything he did would be extremely diminished and discredited

He would either a have to have ginormous stats or win more than anyone else to even be mentioned.

Bill Russell is only mentioned nowadays bc he won more than anyone else and has almost twice the ring count of Jordan.
Wilt is only mentioned very rarely yet mentioned bc his stats are miles ahead of everybody elses but they're all cut out of statistics.

Kareem is only mentioned bc of Magic and he has most points in History and college dominance and 6 rings,6 mvps.

The casuals wouldn't know who LeBron was.The people here and media would discredit him and say "weak era",60s doesnt count,and the media and everyone would use a cut off date to leave out his stats so he wouldn't even come close to GOAT.

[LoneyROY7]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.

:roll:

[Flash31]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.

[AirFederer]

Not his biggest fan but he would be #1. Like easy.

[Flash31]

Not his biggest fan but he would be #1. Like easy.


Nope,
Russell,Wilt aren't num 1 and just look at their stats and accomplishments.

The casuals and media and fans and even players nowadays are thanks to
media


Jordan Number 1,Jordan clear GOAT,Jordan Unquestionable GOAT,6/6
blah blah blah.

A guy who avg,AVERAGED 50,24 for a season in the media and fans nowadays isn't even top 3.
Russell is only top 3 bc 11 RINGZ.

If LeBron played back then,well Wilt's stats were miles ahead,and Russell always won so he'd get mentioned in same breath as Thurmond,West,Oscar,Frazier,Baylor which isn't much at all.

Havlicek won and had good stats,where is he?
LeBron is basically Oscar lite and Oscar doesn't even get a mention.

He wouldn't touch Top 4 even if he had then what he has now.The stars from the 60s are underrated,underappreciated,and discredited.Nowadays the stars today are overhyped,overappreciated,overvalued compared to then.
Nowadays they use stats to leave out stars of then
so whatever ranking People have LeBron now bump him down 2-10 spots and that's where he'd probably be.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope,
Russell,Wilt aren't num 1 and just look at their stats and accomplishments.

The casuals and media and fans and even players nowadays are thanks to
media


Jordan Number 1,Jordan clear GOAT,Jordan Unquestionable GOAT,6/6
blah blah blah.

A guy who avg,AVERAGED 50,24 for a season in the media and fans nowadays isn't even top 3.
Russell is only top 3 bc 11 RINGZ.

If LeBron played back then,well Wilt's stats were miles ahead,and Russell always won so he'd get mentioned in same breath as Thurmond,West,Oscar,Frazier,Baylor which isn't much at all.

Havlicek won and had good stats,where is he?
LeBron is basically Oscar lite and Oscar doesn't even get a mention.

He wouldn't touch Top 4 even if he had then what he has now.The stars from the 60s are underrated,underappreciated,and discredited.Nowadays the stars today are overhyped,overappreciated,overvalued compared to then.
Nowadays they use stats to leave out stars of then
so whatever ranking People have LeBron now bump him down 2-10 spots and that's where he'd probably be.
Wilt isn't top 3 because he only won 2 rings, not because of media bias.

[bmd]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.The triple double is a made-up stat.

The numbers are arbitrarily set at 10-10-10.

It's like hitting for the cycle in baseball. Okay, in a single game you had a homerun, triple, double, and single. Cool stat.. but pretty meaningless how many times you did it.

[Psileas]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.

The "since merger" records has to be some of the most ridiculous distinctions around. If the NBA-ABA co-existence supposedly prohibits people from giving 100% credence to certain records, what prohibits them from doing this for previous eras, when the ABA did not even exist?

But, hey, as a Lakers' fan, I should be happy, since the Lakers lead by far the Celtics in rings "since the merger" (the Celtics aren't even #2, since they only won 4 rings since the merger), making them the real winningest team in the annals of "history that counts"...

[Flash31]

Wilt isn't top 3 because he only won 2 rings, not because of media bias.


Larry Bird has 3 Rings and he's top 3-5 ALWAYS.

It's everything to do with media bias,otherwise they would mention the stars of then,the ACTUAL RECORDS,not conveniently have cut off dates when needed,not mention them,not even mention them.

Aside from Wilts STATS,Russells RINGZ,West being the LOGO they wouldn't even get a mention.
Thurmond,Havlicek,Frazier,Oscar,Lucas,Jones,Goodri ch don't even get a mention.

Havlicek wasn't Robert Horry where you go role player doesn't count now.

LeBron ONLY has 2 Rings and people and media nowadays are like top 10,
DIRK HAS 1 RING,1 mvp and you have people proclaiming him top 20,
Durant has NOTHING and you have media already starting the arbitrary records on him,and proclaiming him possible goat scorer,player and people saying if he wins this year TOP 20--WHAT?!

It has literally everything to do with the media.

[fpliii]

:rolleyes:

[Flash31]

The triple double is a made-up stat.

The numbers are arbitrarily set at 10-10-10.

It's like hitting for the cycle in baseball. Okay, in a single game you had a homerun, triple, double, and single. Cool stat.. but pretty meaningless how many times you did it.[/QUOTE]

It kind of is,also bc conveniently they only started keeping tracks of blocks after
Wilt,Russell,Thurmond were retired or done.

10 Points,10 rbs,10 blocks or steals or assists is very good but the more say something gets upgraded the less people did it and it leaves out today's players.

Hitting double digits in 3 categories is the standard which is good
but if you turn it to
15 points or 15 rbs or 15 ast,the old guys (wilt,russell,thurmond,oscar hold those so.


In baseball,it's like the hits or on base record basically regardless if it's a single,double,triple,home run which skews it like certain triple doubles like the rondo-kidd ones 10,10,10.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Larry Bird has 3 Rings and he's top 3-5 ALWAYS.

It's everything to do with media bias,otherwise they would mention the stars of then,the ACTUAL RECORDS,not conveniently have cut off dates when needed,not mention them,not even mention them.

Aside from Wilts STATS,Russells RINGZ,West being the LOGO they wouldn't even get a mention.
Thurmond,Havlicek,Frazier,Oscar,Lucas,Jones,Goodri ch don't even get a mention.

Havlicek wasn't Robert Horry where you go role player doesn't count now.

LeBron ONLY has 2 Rings and people and media nowadays are like top 10,
DIRK HAS 1 RING,1 mvp and you have people proclaiming him top 20,
Durant has NOTHING and you have media already starting the arbitrary records on him,and proclaiming him possible goat scorer,player and people saying if he wins this year TOP 20--WHAT?!

It has literally everything to do with the media.
3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.

[dr.hee]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.

My god, that post was pretty great.



You know who else was pretty great? Wilt Chamberlain. Your post might be the present day equivalent of Wilt breaking the toe of a dude by dunking the ball too damn hard. Hell, it might even be as great as sleeping with >20,000 mountain lions. But still, you're not quite as strong as Wilt was back in the day. I highly doubt you could bench press 400 women, which past knee injury Wilt could do easily. He was so strong, my god. Oh my god.

[Flash31]

[Deuce Bigalow]3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.[/QUOTE]


Maybe,though I'm damn sure if Ol Bill Russell only had 5 or 6 Rings which still great would get completely left out of goat talks.

3>2 by 1
But comparing Wilt and Bird,Wilt in stats and accomplishments is way ahead of Bird yet 3>2

So in you saying that 11>6 period then,and Kareem due to stats and more winning is BETTER than Jordan

Kobe 5>3,Shaq 4>3,Duncan 4>3,Havlicek 7>3,See how this goes then by that criteria Bird isn't even TOP 5.

Russell
Kareem
Jordan
Havlicek
Magic
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Bird

See how that would change things

[Deuce Bigalow]

[Deuce Bigalow]3 is more than 2. Wilt with 3 rings would be considered top 3 much more than what he is now.


Maybe,though I'm damn sure if Ol Bill Russell only had 5 or 6 Rings which still great would get completely left out of goat talks.

3>2 by 1
But comparing Wilt and Bird,Wilt in stats and accomplishments is way ahead of Bird yet 3>2

So in you saying that 11>6 period then,and Kareem due to stats and more winning is BETTER than Jordan

Kobe 5>3,Shaq 4>3,Duncan 4>3,Havlicek 7>3,See how this goes then by that criteria Bird isn't even TOP 5.

Russell
Kareem
Jordan
Havlicek
Magic
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Bird

See how that would change things[/QUOTE][/quote]
I don't know any who thinks Havlicek is on those players level. I use ring count on players of similar level only.

[ProfessorMurder]

Idiots wouldn't even rank him because he 'wouldn't be able to play today'.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I find it ironic that some of these Wilt people ignore Mikan and completely dismiss him and then get upset at the younger generation not considering Wilt that great.

[fpliii]

Idiots wouldn't even rank him because he 'wouldn't be able to play today'.
:oldlol:

:applause:

[fpliii]

I find it ironic that some of these Wilt people ignore Mikan and completely dismiss him and then get upset at the younger generation not considering Wilt that great.
I seconded your nomination on MCS. :cheers:

[Deuce Bigalow]

I seconded your nomination on MCS. :cheers:
:lol Nice

[SHABBA]

Hell the stars of today don't mention Wilt in conversations of GOAT bc the media disregards him completely.

Its always the media hyped ones who are where they ALWAYS have
MJ 1,Russell 2,
then a combo of Magic,Bird,Kareem.

Oscar Robertson has more triple doubles than anyone else.He avg a Triple Double for a season 30,10,10.He has almost 10,000 ast and over 26,000 pts yet is rarely if ever mentioned.

Havlicek has over 7 rings.Jerry West if he wasn't the Logo would never get mentioned.

It's funny how espn cuts of the dates to hype and bring up players.
When a record is close they include it like 33 wins but when it's not or the old record is so so much better than the other player they cut it off

ex(Wilt 25 pt game streak,Wilt 30 pt streak,Oscar Triple Double streak,Quickest to 10,000,20,000,30,000 pts and that turns to YOUNGEST,
Ring count)

It's extremely odd that when Wilt retired,then they started keeping track of blocks.
It's extremely convenient that when Oscar retired,the rules for what is considered an assist changed and now you have those Rondo--pass,the player does ten moves,assist.

Since 50 years,since the merger,since the 3pt line,since the season after Wilt retired,since the beginning of PER,since the 1987-1988 season,since the adding of Miami Heat and others,since Dr J,and it's always an arbitrary cut ioff if Todays players can't reach it or someone else has it---

ie(LeBron's 24 pt 60%,MVP awards,ALL First teams,All-Star selections,59% fg,
Highest PER,using TS% instead of FG%,It''s beyond comical.

If Wilt didn't completely have miles ahead stats and Russell 11 rings wasn't highest ever they would both be cut off.

People like Worthy,Oscar,Frazier,Thurmond,Baylor,Lucas,Havlice k,Jones,Goodrich
don't even get a mention in Media.
:biggums:

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol yeah I'm the co-admin (with jjgator). We were on proboards for a while and kept getting shut down, so I set something else for them using phpbb.

It's mostly a troll board at this point lol. I've tried to get some guys over, but they've been waiting forever to get activated :oldlol:

I think ripper, y2ktors, and town bidness registered here.
So how long do you need to wait to get in? I might make an account there.

[fpliii]

So how long do you need to wait to get in? I might make an account there.
No wait, I get an email each time someone registers, and I can activate it easily.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No wait, I get an email each time someone registers, and I can activate it easily.
Ok I'll probably make a George Mikan account then.

[fpliii]

Ok I'll probably make a George Mikan account then.
lol nice :cheers:

[Flash31]

See how that would change things[/QUOTE][/quote]
I don't know any who thinks Havlicek is on those players level. I use ring count on players of similar level only.[/QUOTE]

Ok in that case

Shaq,Kobe,Duncan,Magic,Kareem,Jordan,Russell>Bird
just saying going by ring count and similar levels only

So with that said
If LeBron and Wade win another,Where do they rank
LeBron with 3,
Wade with 4,1 maybe 2 Finals MVP and 25,5,5 career avg
Does Bird get bumped out of top ten or moved to 9th which is saying something even then at Bird at 8-10 level simply going by that
ring count and player level criteria

[red1]

the same place he will rank at the end of his career in this era. the second GOAT

[Deuce Bigalow]

See how that would change things[/quote]
I don't know any who thinks Havlicek is on those players level. I use ring count on players of similar level only.[/QUOTE]

Ok in that case

Shaq,Kobe,Duncan,Magic,Kareem,Jordan,Russell>Bird
just saying going by ring count and similar levels only

So with that said
If LeBron and Wade win another,Where do they rank
LeBron with 3,
Wade with 4,1 maybe 2 Finals MVP and 25,5,5 career avg
Does Bird get bumped out of top ten or moved to 9th which is saying something even then at Bird at 8-10 level simply going by that
ring count and player level criteria[/QUOTE]
Lebron probably would be top 10. Wade would not change. Bird is not getting out of the top 10 lol.

[Flash31]

[/QUOTE]
Lebron probably would be top 10. Wade would not change. Bird is not getting out of the top 10 lol.[/QUOTE]


How does 1 more ring Not Bump his up though man--4 Rings u know
just saying player level and all

But then what about Hakeem,Wilt,Dr J,West
where would they rank?
wondering,along with Oscar,Dirk,KG,Allen,Pierce,Isiah,Frazier,Baylor


But in saying that,if Tony Parker wins a 4th with Finals MVP
or Wade does where do they Rank?
Both 4 Rings,2 Finals MVPS
it could happen,seeing as they were Both Close at one point last year

Just saying Man,If player level
and ring count is what Only matters Im not saying top ten,but where at?

[16X]

Exactly.

LeBron has it easy in this era. Everyone has been on his dick from day one and he still can't handle the 'pressure'.

Imagine how he would respond to some redneck yelling 'N*GG**!!!' to him during the game, or getting death threats for being black.

LeBron just isn't cut out for that. Way too fragile to exist in the 50's or 60's.
Being called a n*gger is nothing compared to what Bran's been through. He had to deal with hearing his mama called a whore and getting "Delonte" chanted at him during games. That would be way worse for me than some silly racist insults. His first game on the Heat against the Cavs, he took the crowd insults and dominated the Cavs like little bitches.

Flopping wasn't much of a thing back then (I assume), and I think Bran probably would have been at least a bit tougher had he been playing in the 60s. Put him on the Celtics and they probably get 10 plus titles. Lebron would be more admired by people than Russell because unlike Russell, he's actually a great all around player and can dominate on offense. Bran's stats would be insane in the 60s.

[fpliii]

Being called a n*gger is nothing compared to what Bran's been through. He had to deal with hearing his mama called a whore and getting "Delonte" chanted at him during games. That would be way worse for me than some silly racist insults. His first game on the Heat against the Cavs, he took the crowd insults and dominated the Cavs like little bitches.

Flopping wasn't much of a thing back then (I assume), and I think Bran probably would have been at least a bit tougher had he been playing in the 60s. Put him on the Celtics and they probably get 10 plus titles. Lebron would be more admired by people than Russell because unlike Russell, he's actually a great all around player and can dominate on offense. Bran's stats would be insane in the 60s.
:biggums:

Is this real life?

[Flash31]

Is this real life?[/QUOTE]


Apparently so

LeBron stans wow just um

I dont even have an answer for that


back to bball though
Dont mention that LeBron would be going up
against those Celtics and it was either Bill or Wilt on those teams

with no 3 pt line,hand checking,stricter dribbling,no Defensive 3 sec,playing 4-5 games straight
Where would LeBron score again---no 3,no d 3,packed paint

Just for these stans,How would LeBron score again like now
Roy Hibbert and Dallas Zone they Arent

[DonDadda59]

Unless he 'decided' to join the Celtics then his career plays out like Wilt's- some gaudy numbers in the regular season and meh results when it matters.

[16X]

:biggums:

Is this real life?
Yes this is real life, and I don't even like Lebron (I have great respect for his talent though).

[fpliii]

Yes this is real life, and I don't even like Lebron (I have great respect for his talent though).
Setting aside basketball-related stuff (which we can discuss another day), racism is a huge deal. I don't think it's so easy to brush it off, when a lot of the greats struggled when it reared its ugly head.

I'm not sure if there's a book out there on the topic specifically, but there are probably tons of articles. Segregation, race-based quotas (in the 50s), the name-calling/etc. at other arenas (including your own). Hell, Bill Russell's house was broken into, and I don't want to detail the shit done there. Brutal all-around.

[16X]

Setting aside basketball-related stuff (which we can discuss another day), racism is a huge deal. I don't think it's so easy to brush it off, when a lot of the greats struggled when it reared its ugly head.

I'm not sure if there's a book out there on the topic specifically, but there are probably tons of articles. Segregation, race-based quotas (in the 50s), the name-calling/etc. at other arenas (including your own). Hell, Bill Russell's house was broken into, and I don't want to detail the shit done there. Brutal all-around.
I didn't brush off racism. It's just that in my opinion, what Lebron has had to deal with (crackhead mom who sleeps with his friends in school and then teammates in the NBA, and then has that embarassing info revealed to the whole world) is worse than any racial insults. What do you think Lebron would have done back then if he was called a n*gger? Cry himself to sleep and give up on the game of basketball? No. He probably would have laughed and said "F*ck those racist pricks. Keep on hating and I'll keep winning."

Kobe's my favourite player and I don't even like Lebron. I clown on Lebron when he deserves it (flops, getting upset when his teammates steal a board from him, saying stupid sh*t in the media, etc), but it's just ridiculous if you think Lebron wouldn't have been able to deal with a bit of racism.

Racism would have zero impact on Lebron's game so I don't see how it is relevant at all here.

[Blue&Orange]

Where would Lebron rank alltime if he played with Melo's body? Would he make the top 1000?

[fpliii]

I didn't brush off racism. It's just that in my opinion, what Lebron has had to deal with (crackhead mom who sleeps with his friends in school and then teammates in the NBA, and then has that embarassing info revealed to the whole world) is worse than any racial insults. What do you think Lebron would have done back then if he was called a n*gger? Cry himself to sleep and give up on the game of basketball? No. He probably would have laughed and said "F*ck those racist pricks. Keep on hating and I'll keep winning."

Kobe's my favourite player and I don't even like Lebron. I clown on Lebron when he deserves it (flops, getting upset when his teammates steal a board from him, saying stupid sh*t in the media, etc), but it's just ridiculous if you think Lebron wouldn't have been able to deal with a bit of racism.

Racism would have zero impact on Lebron's game so I don't see how it is relevant at all here.
Segregation (which was a big deal when they played in the South) is institutionalized racism. It's a much bigger deal than name-calling.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Being called a n*gger is nothing compared to what Bran's been through. He had to deal with hearing his mama called a whore and getting "Delonte" chanted at him during games. That would be way worse for me than some silly racist insults. His first game on the Heat against the Cavs, he took the crowd insults and dominated the Cavs like little bitches.

Flopping wasn't much of a thing back then (I assume), and I think Bran probably would have been at least a bit tougher had he been playing in the 60s. Put him on the Celtics and they probably get 10 plus titles. Lebron would be more admired by people than Russell because unlike Russell, he's actually a great all around player and can dominate on offense. Bran's stats would be insane in the 60s.

Name calling :roll: You don't even know what you're talking about.

Bill Russell, for example, had his house vandalized, walls covered with racist graffiti, they ****ed up his trophies and shitted on the beds, all of that in Boston while already playing for the C's.. His parents also victims of racial abuse when he was a child... And all of that's like the peak of the iceberg. Segregated south, blacks being blackballed, victims of major hate and actual "actions" especially when successful or trying to get there, racist media.... Yet this fool wanna talk about being called a ****** :roll:

Dude couldn't win right after teaming up with two other superstars (one a top5 player) nowadays, and yet in the 60s Celtics - assuming without Russ - he'd get 10 titles, right :rolleyes: :lol
Can't really do the hypothetical time-machine deal, you have to assume he would grow up in the 40s/50s, that's dealing with all the major racism and what it "brought" along, it was really tough to make it into the league, none of this advanced luxuries and that's everything you can think of, none of this access to footage to watch and study from past great ones, lots of major physicality while playing... Assuming he'd get into the league and assuming he'd be playing at his "same" level of right now while being able to deal with all of that I've talked before, he'd be having insane stats due to pace and whatnot of course (Wilt and Russ in the league though, to collect MVPs, with the C's winning most of the titles), with a simply great career just the same/regardless but, like said here, people would be dismissing all of that, calling it a weak era and saying he wouldn't be able to play nowadays.. Actually funny to think of :lol

[La Frescobaldi]

LBJ would rate high, just like he will after he retires from the recent league.

Would he put up Wilt Chamberlain level numbers? No.
Would he be compared with Oscar Robertson or Elgin Baylor? Yes.
Would he win 10 rings like Sam Jones did? As a Celtic, he would. On any other team, no, he wouldn't.

The best scenario for James in the '60s - other than the Celtics - would be on the Royals. He wouldn't add a lot to the Sixers that Chet Walker wasn't already doing. Better than the Jet? Sure, he is. But scoring is scoring and Walker was pretty much unstoppable and was mighty fine defensive player. He wouldn't add anything to the Lakers that Baylor wasn't already doing.

The other teams wouldn't fare any better, other than more wins.
LBJ on the Bullets or Pistons.... is not beating anyone in the Eastern Division playoffs. He'd make the Sixers & the Celtics work a lot harder but those Baltimore or Detroit teams were not ever getting it done, even if Jabbar or Jordan or Bird was on their rosters. Is LeBron James taking current Bucks to the Finals? No matter how great the player is, that is not happening. Same thing.

In the West he might have had more luck with the Giant Z in St. Louis, for example... but those guys weren't beating the Celtics......... ever.

Cincy though, would be interesting. Jerry Lucas & Adrian Smith with LeBron & Oscar... and Bob Love off the bench? That would be a great team right there.

The Knicks would have been stellar, too. That team would have done some damage for sure.
Thing is, there was no free agency. There wasn't going to be any Decision if he didn't like where he was.... in Baltimore or Chicago or expansion Seattle or San Diego - which would be the likely places he would land, since they were dogmeat teams with high draft picks. No MVPs, no rings, stuck on loser teams that would get better but that's about it.

But any way you look at it he'd have been incredible, just like he is now.

[LAZERUSS]

LBJ would rate high, just like he will after he retires from the recent league.

Would he put up Wilt Chamberlain level numbers? No.
Would he be compared with Oscar Robertson or Elgin Baylor? Yes.
Would he win 10 rings like Sam Jones did? As a Celtic, he would. On any other team, no, he wouldn't.

The best scenario for James in the '60s - other than the Celtics - would be on the Royals. He wouldn't add a lot to the Sixers that Chet Walker wasn't already doing. Better than the Jet? Sure, he is. But scoring is scoring and Walker was pretty much unstoppable and was mighty fine defensive player. He wouldn't add anything to the Lakers that Baylor wasn't already doing.

The other teams wouldn't fare any better, other than more wins.
LBJ on the Bullets or Pistons.... is not beating anyone in the Eastern Division playoffs. He'd make the Sixers & the Celtics work a lot harder but those Baltimore or Detroit teams were not ever getting it done, even if Jabbar or Jordan or Bird was on their rosters. Is LeBron James taking current Bucks to the Finals? No matter how great the player is, that is not happening. Same thing.

In the West he might have had more luck with the Giant Z in St. Louis, for example... but those guys weren't beating the Celtics......... ever.

Cincy though, would be interesting. Jerry Lucas & Adrian Smith with LeBron & Oscar... and Bob Love off the bench? That would be a great team right there.

The Knicks would have been stellar, too. That team would have done some damage for sure.
Thing is, there was no free agency. There wasn't going to be any Decision if he didn't like where he was.... in Baltimore or Chicago or expansion Seattle or San Diego - which would be the likely places he would land, since they were dogmeat teams with high draft picks. No MVPs, no rings, stuck on loser teams that would get better but that's about it.

But any way you look at it he'd have been incredible, just like he is now.

A brilliant post...

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[L.Kizzle]

LeBron in the 60s in Gus Johnson/Maurice Stokes/Elgin Baylor clone.

[aj1987]

I don't see how he would not average a triple double at least a couple of times. People are forgetting that LeBron is one of the greatest athletes to ever play basketball. Dude is extremely fast, strong as hell, and can jump as high as some of the best ever. Not just his physical attributes, but the dude has an extremely high IQ (basketball) and is pretty skilled.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I'll put it like this...

If LeBron had the skills and athleticism he has right now but he was a player from Wilt's era, Lazeruss and CavaliersFTW would be creaming themselves. He would have averaged more that Wilt in just about everything except for maybe rebounding. A 6'9" guy who can dribble and shoot like a guard but is also powerful enough to play down low? They would be beside themselves at his talent. They would be making a bunch of threads about how jacked he is and how strong he was. "His brother said one time he lifted a car clean over his head." They would be talking about how incredible his athleticism is and how high he can jump by watching grainy black and white footage. "Based on the film used in the camera's back then, the fps, and how quickly he ran down the court, I can say with certainty that he ran 45 mph minimum. And that was running in those old Chuck Taylor shoes. Just imagine how fast he could run with modern sneakers!"

They'd have meetings to discuss new ways to pump up the legend that is LeBron James. They'd have weekly meetings to formulate rebuttals to the most common criticisms of LeBron James. They would scour the internet archives for quotes from former players, coaches, or friends that speak highly of Mr. James to strengthen their arguments. They would find new ways to frame arguments that prop up the players from LeBron's era in comparison to the players today.

That's what it would be like if LeBron James played in the 1960's.

Oh good lord. :lol

[tpols]

The perimeter wilt/super baylor

[16X]

Name calling :roll: You don't even know what you're talking about.

Bill Russell, for example, had his house vandalized, walls covered with racist graffiti, they ****ed up his trophies and shitted on the beds, all of that in Boston while already playing for the C's.. His parents also victims of racial abuse when he was a child... And all of that's like the peak of the iceberg. Segregated south, blacks being blackballed, victims of major hate and actual "actions" especially when successful or trying to get there, racist media.... Yet this fool wanna talk about being called a ****** :roll:

Dude couldn't win right after teaming up with two other superstars (one a top5 player) nowadays, and yet in the 60s Celtics - assuming without Russ - he'd get 10 titles, right :rolleyes: :lol
Can't really do the hypothetical time-machine deal, you have to assume he would grow up in the 40s/50s, that's dealing with all the major racism and what it "brought" along, it was really tough to make it into the league, none of this advanced luxuries and that's everything you can think of, none of this access to footage to watch and study from past great ones, lots of major physicality while playing... Assuming he'd get into the league and assuming he'd be playing at his "same" level of right now while being able to deal with all of that I've talked before, he'd be having insane stats due to pace and whatnot of course (Wilt and Russ in the league though, to collect MVPs, with the C's winning most of the titles), with a simply great career just the same/regardless but, like said here, people would be dismissing all of that, calling it a weak era and saying he wouldn't be able to play nowadays.. Actually funny to think of :lol
Ok. How is any of this relevant to the game played on the court (the racism stuff)? If anything, this kind of treatment would only make Lebron tougher growing up and NOT more fragile, so I fail to see what point you're trying to make here.

[Im Still Ballin]

Top 2 atleast.

[VIntageNOvel]

poor man wilt

[Sarcastic]

Unless he played on the Celtics, he'd have 0 rings. So outside of top 20 just like everyone else from the era with 0 rings.

[AintNoSunshine]

Oscar's stats + Russelll's rings, so you tell me:bowdown:

[deja vu]

People would say that he only dominated short 6'0" white guys who smoke cigarettes and work as construction workers during the day.

[jstern]

He would be a top player, but he will also have to alter his game significantly. For example, if you didn't dribble straight up and down you might get called for a carry. And I imagine defense was more hands on.

[swagga]

LeBron in the 60s in Gus Johnson/Maurice Stokes/Elgin Baylor clone.

#postcount #dat knowledge
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[ImKobe]

Maybe top 5. People would take a lot away from him for putting up godly numbers against underdeveloped scrubs, he'd probably win like 1 title & choke a lot like Wilt did.

[dunksby]

He'd be a poor man's Grant Hill today.

[All Net]

would have godly numbers of course.

[jzek]

None. He'd only play in a few games before his career is over. His athleticism is so far ahead of that time that the FBI would take him in and mistake him as an alien.