Lost repect for Lebron

[tweedy bird loc]

I remember watching an interview with him right before he got drafted, and he acting humble, and he gave a shout out to Jesus, and acted very professional. I read the interview with him in Dime magazine this month, and he says some dumb **** about how it's not enough for everyone in the U.S to know who he is, he wants to be know worldwide. Some old black dude should smack the **** out of him. He's a real good ball player, but he needs to check himself. All these N.W.A's nowadays. Chad johnson, T.O, Carmello, A.I etc etc. Show some ****ing class, and act like a man, not a *****. **** pisses me off. [/endrant]

[Younggrease]

lebron was never humble...his antics at the ABCD camp and in previous AAU events gave me a first hand account of how much media shapes our opinion of ahtletes

[AirGauge23]

I'm not a fan of Lebron, but I don't see the problem in saying he wants to be known worldwide. Maybe it was the way he said it? :confusedshrug:

[Sword.Dragons]

lebron was never humble.

Co-Sign. he's always been how he is today. Anybody remember when he said that he wanted to be the first basketball billionaire or something, doesn't that just mean he's in it for the money?

[tweedy bird loc]

I look at him the same way I look at that ***** Puff Daddy. We all know you're rich, don't need to be in the videos throwin the loot around.

[MaxFly]

and he gave a shout out to Jesus

Made me laugh for some reason...

[DCL]

what's wrong with wanting to be recognized worldwide?

i think something would be wrong with him if he only wanted to be a nobody. every athlete wants to leave a mark or a legacy. if he wants to create a legendary legacy, then he's going to have to produce a legendary career. don't see anything wrong with that. :confusedshrug:

[Younggrease]

what's wrong with wanting to be recognized worldwide?

i think someone is wrong with him if he feels it's good that if nobody knew who the hell he was. every athlete wants to leave a mark or a legacy. if he wants to create a legendary legacy, then he's going to have to produce a legendary career. don't see anything wrong with that. :confusedshrug:


some would say lebron is too worried about his legacy... he even says stuff like "this will increase my legacy" after games

[AppleNader]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.

[Younggrease]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.

its so true...

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicks15]

that comment was more about marketing his brand. it was said in a businessman tone.

[Dizzle-2k7]

i doubt lebron cares about the olympic games or world championships, nader.

[Darsh]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.

hahahahahaha :cheers:

[tweedy bird loc]

what's wrong with wanting to be recognized worldwide?

i think something would be wrong with him if he only wanted to be a nobody. every athlete wants to leave a mark or a legacy. if he wants to create a legendary legacy, then he's going to have to produce a legendary career. don't see anything wrong with that. :confusedshrug:

He needs to be humbled.

[Darsh]

oi tweedy bird loc, is that you in your avatar.. didnt you say you were a body builder or something?

[MaxFly]

Lebron is still young, give him a break. He also said that he wants to be the richest athlete ever... He's still getting his priorities in order. He's one heck of an outstanding basketball player... Let him be for the time being.

[tweedy bird loc]

oi tweedy bird loc, is that you in your avatar.. didnt you say you were a body builder or something?

yeah man that's me 8 weeks out from a contest.

[statman32]

yeah man that's me 8 weeks out from a contest.
I call bull**** :no:

[AirGauge23]

yeah man that's me 8 weeks out from a contest.

What's your cycle look like?

[FashionIssues]

i don't think lebron knew what proper public relation was back then. he certainly has grown ethicaly and professionaly with his counterparts

[tweedy bird loc]

What's your cycle look like?

haha you really wanna know?

650 mg test cypionate a week
40 mg dianabol per day
40 mg nolvadex a day

along with legal stuff too

[statman32]

haha you really wanna know?

650 mg test cypionate a week
40 mg dianabol per day
40 mg nolvadex a day

along with legal stuff too

Whoa I take that same stuff

Heres a pic of me

Pic taken down cause I didnt want to view that pic everytime I entered this thread

[Vragrant]

I'd be pretty interested in what happened last summer with Team USA. Word is more than one member on the coaching staff wanted him sent home, due to issues with attitude.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'd be pretty interested in what happened last summer with Team USA. Word is more than one member on the coaching staff wanted him sent home, due to issues with attitude.
I believe he was the only player on the team to start every game. It seems unlikely that such a cancer would be given that opportunity. I just don't buy it... cite a source.

[bail]

hey tweety how about putting a tweety bird tattoo on your chest?that would be nice

[jo3y91]

magic johnson worldwide, jordan worldwide, shaq worldwide.

lebron wants to be included in that legacy. btw with every1 saying hes the next jordan dnt u reckon he would think he would get the same media.

btw jordans kinda arrogant aswell hes not the most humble.

[bail]

Jordan doesnt tap hands with fans

[loot]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.


true hahahaaaah

[Mathius]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.

Dude, are you serious? You can take 90% of any players whose played USA basketball since Dream Team II and insert their names in that statement and it would be accurate.


Seriously, what do you guys want? These kids come right out of high school or maybe one year of college, and then have loads of money dumped on them.

They don't have to struggle to get jobs, they don't even have to really "work" for a living, they just train and play a game that most of them love (And it IS a game).

How the hell can you expect them to have any maturity or any real human values? Some of them talk about how they grew up, and some of them give back to charities, but do you think any of them are living a middle class lifestyle to give back to their communities?

It used to be that players relied on veterans to keep them humble, but now you've got guys who have been in the league 10 years and still don't know how to be humble, because everything was handed to them from day 1.

It's no wonder the players and superstars that have retired are always complaining about how players today don't have respect for the NBA's legacy.

This is part of why I have such a problem with David Stern's rules all the time. I mean how can you pamper these guys at the fresh age of 18, or 19 and then expect them to conduct themselves as a professional, or keep their emotions in check. (in the age of Jerry Springer, why would common america want them to keep their emotions in check. Not that I agree with that sentiment, but I do want to see a little emotion)

Mathius

[loot]

Great post.


Eddie

[SupermanOnSteroids]

damn, and i thought i was big. i don't take any of that stuff though. just some protein and creatine. just wondering how much you weigh and how all that mass affects your agility and run times?

[2LeTTeRS KD]

Getting upset about a player wanting to be a worldwide icon or making money is ignorant. Thats a league-wide goal shared by half the league. Basketball is his profession and he's trying to use it to feed his family for the next several generations. No different than a Peyton Manning who during the season you would see 4 of his commercials during every break in the action.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Have you read MJ's "For the Love of the Game"? Does he come off as cocky? Or mabey when Tiger talks, his voice has a twinge of arrogance to it. Shaqw saying the Heat are going to repeat, and that he's the greatest in the universe? Cmon, the best know they're the best, so Lebron wants to emulate that. Is there a problem with being a worldwide figure? No. I'd like to be a world wide figure in something someday, Im' sure you would too.

If you want to talk about the T.O. of the league. Look no further than Gilbert Arenas.

[tweedy bird loc]

damn, and i thought i was big. i don't take any of that stuff though. just some protein and creatine. just wondering how much you weigh and how all that mass affects your agility and run times?


I weigh around 225, but i gain/lose 10 lbs really easily. As far as I can tell, my agilty and speed are still fine. Every summer when we play outdoor hoops, all the homies are like "oh, here comes Barry Bonds" when they see me, lol.

[johndough]

I weigh around 225, but i gain/lose 10 lbs really easily. As far as I can tell, my agilty and speed are still fine. Every summer when we play outdoor hoops, all the homies are like "oh, here comes Barry Bonds" when they see me, lol.


You must be fairly short then?

[tweedy bird loc]

You must be fairly short then?


6'0. I claimed 6'1 for a long time, but my Dr. assured me I was only 6'0 :cry:

[SpLiTViZiOnZ]

If you lost respect for Bron after that comment than you need to get testosterone injections because I suspect you may be a little on the feminine side.

[tweedy bird loc]

If you lost respect for Bron after that comment than you need to get testosterone injections because I suspect you may be a little on the feminine side.

That's why I take them :pimp:

[SpLiTViZiOnZ]

That's why I take them :pimp:
yeah I noticed, hence the comments were tongue in cheek.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

damn, you and i weigh about the same, but you still look much bigger. i'm about 6'1.5 220. with about 7% bf. but i don't look any thing like you. got more of a wirey build. how do i get scary lookin like you. i want a fat striated neck. any exercises for that? right now i just try to stress my neck muscles during upright rows.

[saKf]

LeBron's the most arrogant high-profile player I've ever seen.

It's not his fault so much as ESPN's. But that doesn't mean I like him.

[BBallBeatwriter]

I agree, I have seen him up close and in person twice before. This last time at All-Star Weekend here in Vegas, he shunned every kid that said hi or asked for an autograph when he was walking back from the All-Star Media Conference to his hotel room at the Palms Casino and Hotel. And finally one kid walked up and asked for his autograph, and the kids dad said "no son, don't ask for LeBron's signature, he's an *******". I can recall when he was in high school and he refused to do certain interviews and even sign other high school players autographs.He probably knew a precident was about to be set on him. This is the nature of atheles. I remember a fan chasing Melo for an autograph, and the guy was wearing a Melo Jersey and kept saying "Melo, come on I have your jersey" and Melo ignored him.

[jasonterry]

I agree, I have seen him up close and in person twice before. This last time at All-Star Weekend here in Vegas, he shunned every kid that said hi or asked for an autograph when he was walking back from the All-Star Media Conference to his hotel room at the Palms Casino and Hotel. And finally one kid walked up and asked for his autograph, and the kids dad said "no son, don't ask for LeBron's signature, he's an *******". I can recall when he was in high school and he refused to do certain interviews and even sign other high school players autographs.He probably knew a precident was about to be set on him. This is the nature of atheles. I remember a fan chasing Melo for an autograph, and the guy was wearing a Melo Jersey and kept saying "Melo, come on I have your jersey" and Melo ignored him.

this is a reason why dirk is so awesome. the dude is a 7 footer and goes to random bars and gets drunk with everyone. and apparently he will take a picture/sign autographs for anyone

[RedBlackAttack]

this is a reason why dirk is so awesome. the dude is a 7 footer and goes to random bars and gets drunk with everyone. and apparently he will take a picture/sign autographs for anyone
He is a drunken German. What do you expect?

[Hardtop Hero]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.

This is such garbage. The problems with USA basketball are a USA problem, not a LeBron James problem.

Further, the kid is 22. I don't get people who expect him to be an 6, 7 year veteran at 22. Don't you realize that by doing so, you're just showing how special a player he is?

I don't know. I think anyone who doesn't appreciate how well he's playing at 22 clearly has an agenda against him. I'm not saying you have to LIKE him personally, but to overly nitpick a 22 year old that's doing what he's done so far just screams overly biased to the point of silliness.

[VCDrivesAPorscheToWork]

Though he gets showered with $$, fame, and glory on a near daily basis, I am at least thankfull that every 2 years, he gets shown up and beat back down by some Euros into the arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

This bi-annual beat down at least serves the purpose of preventing Lebron from loving himself to death.



it could be a yearly thing now... who knows how the FIBA Qualifiers will turn out? :banghead:

[jasonterry]

He is a drunken German. What do you expect?

it would be cool if more [pro athletes were like him. Lebron could sure take a cue from Dirk on how not to be a loser

[RedBlackAttack]

it would be cool if more [pro athletes were like him. Lebron could sure take a cue from Dirk on how not to be a loser
What has Dirk ever won?

I was joking. Don't take everything so seriously.

[Hardtop Hero]

I honestly think there are two types of people when it comes to Bron. Those that realize he's 22 and those who want to pretend that he's 29.

[jasonterry]

What has Dirk ever won?

I was joking. Don't take everything so seriously.

I know you were joking...but it is true that lebron comes off as a total prick.

[jasonterry]

I honestly think there are two types of people when it comes to Bron. Those that realize he's 22 and those who want to pretend that he's 29.

i don't really see a point..the way he's built, at 22 he's like a guy in the league who is 27..and once he gets his first major injury, everything will change. plus he's been in the league for quite a while now, so it's expected that he is viewed as a vet

[Hardtop Hero]

i don't really see a point..the way he's built, at 22 he's like a guy in the league who is 27..and once he gets his first major injury, everything will change. plus he's been in the league for quite a while now, so it's expected that he is viewed as a vet

It doesn't matter how he's built or how many years he's been in the league. He still has the mind of a 22 year old. He's still only been in the league 3 years.

None of that changes because you think he looks older.

[jasonterry]

It doesn't matter how he's built or how many years he's been in the league. He still has the mind of a 22 year old. He's still only been in the league 3 years.

None of that changes because you think he looks older.

that doesn't really mean anything..The odds off him lasting into his 30s arent that high to begin with, and his game is almost completely based on athleticism. if he gets a major injury he could be done in 5 years

[RedBlackAttack]

I know you were joking...but it is true that lebron comes off as a total prick.
Get over it. Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan were pricks. Most great players are pricks. Arrogance is not uncommon among great players.

[Rasheed1]

that doesn't really mean anything..The odds off him lasting into his 30s arent that high to begin with, and his game is almost completely based on athleticism. if he gets a major injury he could be done in 5 years

:wtf: Lebron isnt anymore susceptible to a major career ending injury than any other player

He should last another 8 years at least.. this isnt the NfL

[RedBlackAttack]

:wtf: Lebron isnt anymore susceptible to a major career ending injury than any other player

He should last another 8 years at least.. this isnt the NfL
Seriously...

Grant Hill had his career basically end with a serious injury. It is so stupid when people say "wait till he gets his first serious injury"... as if that is a day they will relish.

LeBron has great body control and rarely gets even minor injuries. Could he have a serious injury that threatens his career? Sure.

So could any other player in the league.

[AIR_ball_Jordan]

I honestly think there are two types of people when it comes to Bron. Those that realize he's 22 and those who want to pretend that he's 29.

IT's hard to tell by his looks..

I would expect him to be 30+ by his look :D

[jasonterry]

:wtf: Lebron isnt anymore susceptible to a major career ending injury than any other player

He should last another 8 years at least.. this isnt the NfL

i'm just saying that unlike other elite swingmen, he isn't very skilled with great moves, footwork, or shooting ability. unless he improves that area, he will drop a lot when the inevitable first injury hits him

[jasonterry]

Get over it. Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan were pricks. Most great players are pricks. Arrogance is not uncommon among great players.

he's not a great player though. don't ever mention him with those guys.

[Hardtop Hero]

i'm just saying that unlike other elite swingmen, he isn't very skilled with great moves, footwork, or shooting ability. unless he improves that area, he will drop a lot when the inevitable first injury hits him

What does any of that have to do with how MENTALLY developed he is? As for his game, why do people pretend that a 22 year old won't refine his game considerably by the time he reaches 26 and beyond (if not sooner)?

[RedBlackAttack]

he's not a great player though.
I think most of the NBA and the majority of the country would disagree with you. You are entitled to your own opinion, though. I will mention him with any player as many times as I want.

If you don't think he has great footwork and great moves, you don't know much. There aren't any other players in this league that are as big as him, can move as fast, and can keep the body control that LeBron does.

Damn... sometimes I think people forget that he is 6'8" 250 pounds.

[Hardtop Hero]

I think most of the NBA and the majority of the country would disagree with you. You are entitled to your own opinion, though. I will mention him with any player as many times as I want.

If you don't think he has great footwork and great moves, you don't know much. There aren't any other players in this league that are as big as him, can move as fast, and can keep the body control that LeBron does.

Damn... sometimes I think people forget that he is 6'8" 250 pounds.

This guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Not really worth the effort.

[mountaingoat]

i was irritatated when he said that he didn't know if a closeted teammate could be trusted.

[RedBlackAttack]

This guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. Not really worth the effort.
You are right. I've dealt with him before. He thinks that Jason Richardson is better than LeBron... seriously.

[i seen hippos]

Why you guys care so much is what interests me.

Are we afraid of him making too many fans in North Korea? Is Lebron considered a terrorist by the CIA now?

[jasonterry]

You are right. I've dealt with him before. He thinks that Jason Richardson is better than LeBron... seriously.

thats not what happened. you wanted everyone here to jerk off to lebron's 39 point game vs dallas, and i pointed out that every swingman destroys dallas, including jason richardson. instead of looking at the games last year where richardson single handedly beat dallas, you posted his stats from a game 4 games into the season this year, so that your hero's "accomplishment" wouldn't be diminished.

and yes, lebron isn't great. he's a really good player who hasn't made it to the ECF yet. i only reserve the word "great" for players who are accomplished

[kumquat]

The thing i don't like about Lebron is he is a two faced ass clown. With Shaq you get Shaq straight up every time. Lebron just acts like a straight out a-hole and it's showing up in front of the cameras now. He's LeFraud to the max. It's got nothing to do with immaturity, it's just going to keep on getting more disgusting having to view "the chosen 1" and his overinflated ego.

[gts]

I agree, I have seen him up close and in person twice before. This last time at All-Star Weekend here in Vegas, he shunned every kid that said hi or asked for an autograph when he was walking back from the All-Star Media Conference to his hotel room at the Palms Casino and Hotel. And finally one kid walked up and asked for his autograph, and the kids dad said "no son, don't ask for LeBron's signature, he's an *******". I can recall when he was in high school and he refused to do certain interviews and even sign other high school players autographs.He probably knew a precident was about to be set on him. This is the nature of atheles. I remember a fan chasing Melo for an autograph, and the guy was wearing a Melo Jersey and kept saying "Melo, come on I have your jersey" and Melo ignored him.
i saw the same thing at staples center, tow kids came up to him before shootaround, Lebron was talking to some of his entourage and the kids asked for his autograph he didn't even say anything just shook his head and jestured as if shooing them away... one of the asstiant coaches for the cavs saw it and gave the kids a basketball...lol

[Darius]

Problem with Lebron is he came in with marketing plan in place.

He doesn't grow organically as a personality... he sees what Jordan did and wants to do the same thing.

It won't work though... there needs to be at least a kernel of original charisma for someone to be loved.

[kumquat]

It won't work though... there needs to be at least a kernel of original charisma for someone to be loved.

Too bad he's got the charisma of wet sock. That's I like Wade and Arenas even though they have their flaws, they built it from the ground up and are genuine people.

[Hardtop Hero]

Too bad he's got the charisma of wet sock. That's I like Wade and Arenas even though they have their flaws, they built it from the ground up and are genuine people.

Eh, I and many other people (non basketball fans) like the "The Lebrons" commercials. I think he shows charisma in those.

[AIR_ball_Jordan]

Eh, I and many other people (non basketball fans) like the "The Lebrons" commercials. I think he shows charisma in those.

Please don't mix "commericals" with reality

I admit that "The Lebrons" are funny and quite good. But you can never tell from the TV.

[Rasheed1]

the thing that makes laugh is that Lebron has been nothing short of excellent since he came into the league and still the fans are whining about him and his attitude..

Its never good enough for some people no matter what...

type of people who b*tch about anything, even dying and going to heaven....

"Its too bright up here" ..... "Why'd he put this place so high up?" ... "My wings dont have Gold trim like his" :cry:

its incredible

[kumquat]

the thing that makes laugh is that Lebron has been nothing short of excellent since he came into the league and still the fans are whining about him and his attitude..

Its never good enough for some people no matter what...

type of people who b*tch about anything, even dying and going to heaven....

"Its too bright up here" ..... "Why'd he put this place so high up?" ... "My wings dont have Gold trim like his" :cry:

its incredible
That's a load of BS. I never b!tched about shaq, duncan, brand, wade etc.

A guy I definitely b!tched about is steve francis who is another ass clown. You understand why? It's got nothing to do with their game. It's their attitude.

[RedBlackAttack]

A guy I definitely b!tched about is steve francis who is another ass clown. You understand why? It's got nothing to do with their game. It's their attitude.
:sleeping

How many times have you met LeBron? I like to reserve judgement on a person's "attitude" to when I actually get a chance to talk to them.

It is pretty funny, though... hearing a Piston fan talk about the "attitude" of players on other teams. :rolleyes:

[and1]

i really hate to read these things about guys like lebron, and i judge him for it pretty hard, because i think it is really important to stay humble, and keep respect for the fans because afterall... buddy if the fans wouldnt be there.. you would be nothing

but to be honest, i dont think how i would react to everything if i was in lebrons position. and thats why i think nowitzki and other guys who take lots of fame with distance have to be appreciated/respected to the FULLEST, and im not the biggest nowitzki fan! but you really need to think about the guys who STAYED down to earth even though they became superstars when you read something like this on lebron.

[The White Guy]

arrogant and unfundamentally sound basketball player that he is.

Yeah...Lebron is definately lacking in basketball fundamentals...you are an idiot...I would argue that Lebron has some of the best fundamentals in the league...coming out of high school, the biggest criticism was of his outside shot, he has improved to become a pretty good shooter given the amount of shots he takes...

Everyone is just beating on Lebron because he doesn't play with all-out, 110%, blood-and-tears, passion every game...give the guy a break, his team sucks and hes doing the best he can

[kumquat]

:sleeping

How many times have you met LeBron? I like to reserve judgement on a person's "attitude" to when I actually get a chance to talk to them.

It is pretty funny, though... hearing a Piston fan talk about the "attitude" of player's on other teams. :rolleyes:

Considering i'm not a pistons fan yeh. :rolleyes:

Talking to a person is magnified by what they say in any situation where they want to represent themeselves as a good guy in front of the media, so i've all the right to assume his attitude is a good one when he gives his same rehearsed comment over and over. Then it's the little things in between ("i want to be a billionaire, that's my goal in life", this will build on my legacy etc.), actions(the skills challenge ugh, fan interaction) and behavior (tattooing "The chosen 1" on your back. Chosen by who exactly? Who talks in the first person....that's right *******s,who flashes hand signs of the jayz record company)

[lakers-city]

Yeah...Lebron is definately lacking in basketball fundamentals...you are an idiot...I would argue that Lebron has some of the best fundamentals in the league...coming out of high school, the biggest criticism was of his outside shot, he has improved to become a pretty good shooter given the amount of shots he takes...

Everyone is just beating on Lebron because he doesn't play with all-out, 110%, blood-and-tears, passion every game...give the guy a break, his team sucks and hes doing the best he can

fundamentals includes defense, as lebron sucks worst than smush does at it then he is only 50% fundamental, and as he sucks at the line he is oly 45% fundamental, sorry.

[RedBlackAttack]

Considering i'm not a pistons fan yeh. :rolleyes:

Talking to a person is magnified by what they say in any situation where they want to represent themeselves as a good guy in front of the media, so i've all the right to assume his attitude is a good one when he gives his same rehearsed comment over and over. Then it's the little things in between ("i want to be a billionaire, that's my goal in life", this will build on my legacy etc.), actions(the skills challenge ugh, fan interaction) and behavior (tattooing "The chosen 1" on your back. Chosen by who exactly? Who talks in the first person....that's right *******s,who flashes hand signs of the jayz record company)
I hope you hold Michael Jordan up to the same standard. He was the master of the "canned response". I hope to god there is more to MJ than what he displayed in his vanilla interviews.

It is interesting that you blast LeBron for being too scripted in his interviews, then blast him for saying things that a 20 year old multi-millionaire might think about (actually, I think he was 19 when he said he wanted to be the richest person in the world).

I thought you were a Piston fan because of your avatar. Sorry..

[Younggrease]

Yeah...Lebron is definately lacking in basketball fundamentals...you are an idiot...I would argue that Lebron has some of the best fundamentals in the league...coming out of high school, the biggest criticism was of his outside shot, he has improved to become a pretty good shooter given the amount of shots he takes...

Everyone is just beating on Lebron because he doesn't play with all-out, 110%, blood-and-tears, passion every game...give the guy a break, his team sucks and hes doing the best he can


actually Lebron does lack fundamentals but its ok for the US game. He travels a lot on his jab steps and blow bys. His catch and shoot jumper is horrible, he moves horribly without the ball, and has no idea how to beat true zone.

[lakers-city]

actually Lebron does lack fundamentals but its ok for the US game. He travels a lot on his jab steps and blow bys. His catch and shoot jumper is horrible, he moves horribly without the ball, and has no idea how to beat true zone.

let's no mention poor 1-on-1 D

[RedBlackAttack]

fundamentals includes defense, as lebron sucks worst than smush does at it then he is only 50% fundamental, and as he sucks at the line he is oly 45% fundamental, sorry.
You don't watch LeBron often, do you? His defense is no longer a liability. It is becoming an asset, as a matter of fact. Basing his defense on how he may have looked 2 years ago isn't the smartest thing in the world. Not even the biggest LeBron ha8ters bash his defense much anymore.

[Younggrease]

let's no mention poor 1-on-1 D

the thing is he can get away with all that because he is a crazy athlete, but in FIBA its a different story.

[RedBlackAttack]

actually Lebron does lack fundamentals but its ok for the US game. He travels a lot on his jab steps and blow bys. His catch and shoot jumper is horrible, he moves horribly without the ball, and has no idea how to beat true zone.
Hmmm... judging by this, you would think professional defenses would be able to hold him under 33+, 6, 6 on 50% from the field since the all-star break... it must be the travelling.

[Younggrease]

Hmmm... judging by this, you would think professional defenses would be able to hold him under 33+, 6, 6 on 50% from the field since the all-star break... it must be the travelling.

its actually the way the game is officiated plus the non ability to play a true zone. Lebron is good almost great player but FIBA exposes his weaknesses. I also think in the near future many will see he will have trouble playing with a lot of true pgs that need the ball.

[lakers-city]

You don't watch LeBron often, do you? His defense is no longer a liability. It is becoming an asset, as a matter of fact. Basing his defense on how he may have looked 2 years ago isn't the smartest thing in the world. Not even the biggest LeBron ha8ters bash his defense much anymore.

yes i do, the nba shoves lebron down people's throats every night so im forced to watch him anyway, i don't want him to be average, i want him to be a shut down defender, with the body he has he should be the most versatile defender in the league since scottie, or else he can't be the best player in the NBA, sorry.

[RedBlackAttack]

yes i do, the nba shoves lebron down people's throats every night so im forced to watch him anyway, i don't want him to be average, i want him to be a shut down defender, with the body he has he should be the most versatile defender in the league since scottie, or else he can't be the best player in the NBA, sorry.
You didn't say he was average... you said he was a poor defender. It is not easy to be a great defender. It takes a lot of work. LeBron has improved his defense every season he has been in the league. If he continues on that same trend, he will be an all-nba defender down the road.

[Indian guy]

Aah...some classic hating in this thread. LeBron must really be back to dominating when the "he sucks in FIBA(14/5/4 on 60% shooting sucks?)" talk returns, people begin to pick on him for what he does behind the scenes and the refs are the reason why he puts up numbers only a couple of players have ever done in NBA history. DAMN those refs!! :mad:

I actually have lost some respect for LeBron and it has everything to do with how he dogged it for 40+ games this season ON THE COURT. Even had me believing he'd regressed skills wise because he was practically living on one move for 3 months. But turns out that never was the case. He was simply Shaqing it and waiting to turn it on post-AS break. Which is sad because he hasn't earned the right to do that. He's 22 and ring-less in his young career. He should never be coasting.

With that said I'm glad to see the real LeBron back. He's easily Top 3(and arguably the best) when focused.

[lakers-city]

14/5/4 on 60% shooting sucks?

of course it does.

[The_Masterplan]

dood not everyone has to be a humble person. Dont expect it. The world needs some non-humble cocky athletes and in my opinion it makes sports better with trashtalking

[Mathius]

Wow. The things I'm learning from this thread....

A catch and shoot jumper is now part of fundamentals of basketball.

You have to be in the league a certain amount of years before you can step your game up after the all star break.

6'8" 240lbs (of basically muscle) is cause for worry that you might suffer a career ending injury.

If you aren't seen drinking in a sports bar, you're a dick.

Mathius

[tpcslj47]

I have never met LeBron and I too like to reserve judgement of a person until I have done so, atleast as a person. I will still judge him as a basketball player.

However, he has had a run in with a friend of mine, and in this situation he (lebron) acted in a disrespectful manner for no reason at all other than he feels like he is better than some people. I'm not going to go into what happened i'll just leave it at that, and for this reason, yes i definitely (yes people, it is spelled definitely not definately) dislike lebron at this time.

[jasonterry]

from cnnsi

LeBron James
So far: Has failed to fundamentally build on a game that is based solely on hops, quickness and strength at this point. Though LeBron has played brilliant ball of late, taking over down the stretch of an inspired win in Detroit on Wednesday, his footwork is still lacking, and he too often relies on either the perimeter bomb or a full-out dash to the hoop to get his scoring done. It appears as if we'll have to wait another season for the in-between game.

Needs to: Stay aggressive. LeBron is averaging 37 points with nearly seven rebounds and seven assists in March, mainly because he's looking to put his stamp on each offensive possession. If he keeps his play inspired and his up-and-down teammates up, the Cavs will be able to stave off Chicago and grab the East's second seed.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'll still bash his defense cos it's f'ing terrible. Prince was having his way with him the other day in the post. Tayshaun was backing him down so easily he almost seemed surprised and bricked the layup. LeBron must have 30 lbs on Prince, just terrible. And for how quick he is he still can't stay in front of anyone on the perimeter.

[tweedy bird loc]

damn, you and i weigh about the same, but you still look much bigger. i'm about 6'1.5 220. with about 7% bf. but i don't look any thing like you. got more of a wirey build. how do i get scary lookin like you. i want a fat striated neck. any exercises for that? right now i just try to stress my neck muscles during upright rows.


If you only have 7% bf, then you should look pretty much like me, haha. I have never trained my neck, I dont even really know how to.

[Indian guy]

I'll still bash his defense cos it's f'ing terrible. Prince was having his way with him the other day in the post.

Yeah, having his way to a dominating 12 point performance :rolleyes:

I don't think LeBron's D is any great shakes but it's definitely not terrible either. Cleveland's Top 5 in the league in both opponents fg% and points allowed. LeBron plays 40+ minutes. He must be doing something right on D if his team's that good. Especially considering Varejao is their only good individual defender.

[Ben Simmons 25]

Damn.