Julius Erving: "Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest dunker of all time"

[CavaliersFTW]

From the Open court special on dunks

http://youtu.be/Ia2_zO4irsc?t=36m27s

Not an answer Ernie was prepared for as the episode revolved around showcasing dunk contest dunkers and flashy open court players but the Doc's reasoning was sound. Wilt was perhaps the most prolific dunker in the game's history. The Doc is one of my favorite students of the game, he always has a well thought out answer when it comes to talking about who were the best to ever do this or that and it isn't always what you expect it to be. Also calls out T-mac at the end of the episode that he needs to get in the back to study some film of who played before him because he seemed like a fish out of water, didn't know about any players prior to his own era.

[kennethgriffin]

in terms of what? the ability to dunk ( the act of dunking ) i.e. just specifically putting the ball in the basket

i dunno maybe.


in terms of creativity? style? not on his best day.. he wouldnt even beat shaq in a dunk contest

ive seen shaq do a 180 before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9cLnj4EZo

[inclinerator]

even u dont believe that

[CavaliersFTW]

even u dont believe that
all he means I think is that he thinks Wilt was the most prolific user of the dunk, which I think is plausible

[kennethgriffin]

on a side note.. watched the video


holy circle jerk batman

can these guys even give an honest opinion without having to go with whoevers in the room?

i think they all pretty much threw mj under the bus to stroke drj and neke cause they were there... pretty stupid.. tmac was the only guy there who had an actual opinion


btw not even a mention of kobe? disrespectful sh*t to the best in game dunker ever

[moe94]

btw not even a mention of kobe? disrespectful sh*t to the best in game dunker ever

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31074-J-Jonah-Jameson-laughing-gif-S-NWLY.gif

[Yankstar]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31074-J-Jonah-Jameson-laughing-gif-S-NWLY.gif

http://nba-history.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/as/bryant2_295_ADB20.jpg

:bowdown:

[moe94]

That's from a dunk contest when dude was talking about in game. It's also from arguably the worst contest of all time and Kobe was pedestrian, at best.

I have Kobe top 5 dunker but the best? haha

[jongib369]

Awhile ago you mentioned Wilt breaking a rim....Do you know if it was a one or two hand dunk? If one :eek:

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRTJV_wfAes


kobes every bit as great an in game dunker as jordan was

[JohnFreeman]

btw not even a mention of kobe? disrespectful sh*t to the best in game dunker ever
http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z435/zipp01/648_zpsb2f065d1.gif

[Micku]

Heh. Dr. J was giving a shout out the centers basically with that comment. He gave a shoutout to Shaq and Kareem, saying they don't get enough credit. But you'll never hear anyone say Shaq is a better dunker than Michael Jordan.

Did you notice when Dr. J did say Wilt, Ernie had to change to "stylist" dunkers. Because that's what people really mean when they say about the best dunks or dunkers and not efficient dunkers. As Dr. J said, Wilkins shot a lot of jumpers, but Wilt had "dunk shots".

Most of them of their answers a pretty well thought out. Kenny explanation was my favorite. Most of them said that Dr. J was the best dunker of all timer.

Their answers aren't right or wrong. IMO, it's Vince Carter. He had the best combination of power, creativity, style and vert. And him dunking on much bigger games than him also adds to legacy. And also, he jumped over a 7 footer in game at the Olympics, right? Along with his other dunks? Imo, he's the GOAT dunker in the NBA.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt dunked it so hard once that the entire hoop crumbled to dust.

[MichaelCorleone]

btw not even a mention of kobe? disrespectful sh*t to the best in game dunker ever
Not even you yourself believe this sh1t right?:facepalm :wtf:

[Yankstar]

Wilt dunked it so hard once that the entire hoop crumbled to dust.

I heard he also had a 100 point game once :rolleyes:

[aboss4real24]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/190036/vince-carter-olympic-dunk-o.gif


http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/177516/flags/LL

[moe94]

Dr. J about to lose his degree after that BS.

:roll: :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

I heard he also had a 100 point game once :rolleyes:
The force of the dunk was so massive that the ball hitting the ground generated a creater.

http://thefutureofthings.com/upload/image/new-news/2008/may/next-extinction-coming-soon/creater.jpg

[Cold soul]

Interesting. I disagree, I would have to say Vince Carter hands down is greatest dunker of all time.

[kennethgriffin]

Interesting. I disagree, I would have to say Vince Carter hands down is greatest dunker of all time.


seriously.. its not even debatable..

just cause a guy was first to do something doesnt make him automatically the best. and dr j wasnt even the first..

baylor was slingin high flyin dunks in his time. and dr j molded himself after him

so everyone there can lick balls except tmac


no one touches vince... the thing about it is... nique/erving/mj could all do dunks comparable to each other

but none of them can do the dunks vince did. he just brought it on a whole different level..

the full arm extension. the hand time. the big hand palm


vince was all 3 of those guys in one. and he jumped half a foot higher while doing way harder dunks

jumping clean over a 7 footer? those other 3 guys wouldnt dream of it

[moe94]

How did you go from Kobe being the best to no one is touching Vince in the same damn thread? Did you forget he existed or something? Or are you saying Kobe is a superior in game dunker? Regardless, that's nuts.

[Yankstar]

How did you go from Kobe being the best to no one is touching Vince in the same damn thread? Did you forget he existed or something? Or are you saying Kobe is a superior in game dunker? Regardless, that's nuts.

:facepalm

Kobe = Great Dunker
VC = Best Dunker

[inclinerator]

The force of the dunk was so massive that the ball hitting the ground generated a creater.

http://thefutureofthings.com/upload/image/new-news/2008/may/next-extinction-coming-soo/creater.jpg
some say his dunks led to his own demise

[Deuce Bigalow]

some say his dunk led to his own demise
True

[kennethgriffin]

How did you go from Kobe being the best to no one is touching Vince in the same damn thread? Did you forget he existed or something? Or are you saying Kobe is a superior in game dunker? Regardless, that's nuts.


i said kobe was the best in game nba dunker ( i.e. posters, facials, in traffic )


vinces top 5 dunks ever are

#1 olympics over 7 footer
#2 off backboard windmill in celebrity game
#3 360 windmill dunk contest
#4 bounce beteen legs dunk contest
#5 elbow dunk dunk contest


hes the goat dunker. but in games he was sort of a windmill repetitive guy that over did it like jason richardson


you never knew what kobe was gonna do... and you never knew when he was gonna do it. made his more exciting.

[oarabbus]

i said kobe was the best in game nba dunker ( i.e. posters, facials, in traffic )


vinces top 5 dunks ever are

#1 olympics over 7 footer
#2 off backboard windmill in celebrity game
#3 360 windmill dunk contest
#4 bounce beteen legs dunk contest
#5 elbow dunk dunk contest


hes the goat dunker. but in games he was sort of a windmill repetitive guy that over did it like jason richardson


you never knew what kobe was gonna do... and you never knew when he was gonna do it. made his more exciting.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/49097/carter-destroys-mourning-o.gif



http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/190036/vince-carter-olympic-dunk-o.gif


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What a bunch of boring, repetitive, uneventful in game dunks right? :rolleyes:

[moe94]

Vince has greater posters than Kobe lmfao

He did every single dunk better than Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/49097/carter-destroys-mourning-o.gif



http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/190036/vince-carter-olympic-dunk-o.gif


http://31.media.tumblr.com/2633c17e1815ff6e2924cace3f929981/tumblr_n0z010hJDU1s3gys4o2_r1_400.gif



http://25.media.tumblr.com/a7423bfe42b032ee52fdc950f2871c1a/tumblr_mw8088ZokB1qggc5jo1_400.gif


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What a bunch of boring, repetitive, uneventful in game dunks right? :rolleyes:


kobe was just way more mean when he dunked. and it was way more exciting. he really hated the guy he dunked on so it made it better too... plus kobes dunks were usually in games that mattered allot. which made them twice as impressive

vince played like 1 game in his career with something on the line... not enough of a stage to display his greatness

[Yankstar]

kobe was just way more mean when he dunked. and it was way more exciting. he really hated the guy he dunked on so it made it better too... plus kobes dunks were usually in games that mattered allot. which made them twice as impressive

vince played like 1 game in his career with something on the line... not enough of a stage to display his greatness

:applause:

Case and point

http://i34.tinypic.com/dfyhhc.jpg

[moe94]

Now we're judging dunkers on the quality of their teams and their place in the playoffs.

If Carter had Shaq, his dunks would resonate sooooo much more.

[oarabbus]

Now we're judging dunkers on the quality of their teams and their place in the playoffs.

If Carter had Shaq, his dunks would resonate sooooo much more.


:lol


Kobe stans, it's disgusting. I mean, it's not even like anyone has knocked Kobe's dunks in this thread. I fully acknowledge Kobe is one of the greatest in game dunkers.

But better than Vince at any type of dunking? :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

the shock as a fan seeing a guy dunk in an aposing building. taking the air out of a crowd in a heated playoff series... nothing like it...

vince just never really had that opportunity very often.


kobe did it atleast 5-10 times every year in the playoffs


dunks like these are just 1 of many

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Eq0hht2Rg#t=0m37s

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2l1-_dQ

[G-train]

I personally find Kobe's dunks don't have the fluidity of Jordan and Carter.
I personally put Pippen ahead of Kobe, and maybe 5-10 others.
I'd say Kobe's shooting is > his dunking.

As for OP, depends on the definition. Shaq or Wilt are the greatest dunkers ever by some definitions of it.

[G-train]

the shock as a fan seeing a guy dunk in an aposing building. taking the air out of a crowd in a heated playoff series... nothing like it...

vince just never really had that opportunity very often.


kobe did it atleast 5-10 times every year in the playoffs


dunks like these are just 1 of many

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Eq0hht2Rg#t=0m37s

or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWvH2l1-_dQ

Not impressed. Wouldn't put it in his top 30 dunks.

[kennethgriffin]

I personally find Kobe's dunks don't have the fluidity of Jordan and Carter.
I personally put Pippen ahead of Kobe, and maybe 5-10 others.
I'd say Kobe's shooting is > his dunking.

As for OP, depends on the definition. Shaq or Wilt are the greatest dunkers ever by some definitions of it.


you're a bum

pippen never even did a 360/between the legs or windmill

he had no tricks.. just a facial guy..

hes a good dunker. but better than a guy like kobe?

:biggums:

i can only remember like 2 great pippen dunks

theres like 500 great kobe dunks worthy of posting youtube links to

[moe94]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1uewZx1b-c

Better than any Kobe poster. Howard is the only comparable one.

[kennethgriffin]

Not impressed. Wouldn't put it in his top 30 dunks.

kobe won tnt best playoff dunk of the 2000's decade with that one over garnett

:lol

you bum.. i knew you were a bum



BUM lol

[Prometheus]

the shock as a fan seeing a guy dunk in an aposing building. taking the air out of a crowd in a heated playoff series... nothing like it...


This is your criteria, and you have Kobe > Jordan as a dunker?

:facepalm

My god dude, it's just sad. The delusions of the Kobetard fanbase really know no bounds. It's such a struggle for me to ignore how far-fetched you guys are in your opinions and manage to still appreciate Kobe Bryant as a basketball player. It's like you guys are trying to ruin that for the rest of us.

:facepalm

Kobe had a wider variety of styles to his dunks, but Jordan got more air, dunked from farther out, threw it down with more authority and force, emphasized his dominance more, and looked better doing it. Kobe had a way of gliding through the air with finesse, but Jordan was like a weapon of mass destruction above the rim. The dunk was simply more dangerous for Jordan than it was for Kobe, due to his superior athleticism and courage.

The most important aspect to this comparison is how Jordan was better at dunking ON people. When it came to using the dunk as a legitimate weapon to beat a defender, Jordan > Kobe and...

... it's not close.

[oarabbus]

VC > Jordan too


Maybe even Kemp/Wilkins > Jordan

Jordan > Drexler though

[Micku]

VC > Jordan too


Maybe even Kemp/Wilkins > Jordan

Jordan > Drexler though

I wonder where Blake Griffin will end up in ppl's view as a in game dunker.

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

My god dude, it's just sad. The delusions of the Kobetard fanbase really know no bounds. It's such a struggle for me to ignore how far-fetched you guys are in your opinions and manage to still appreciate Kobe Bryant as a basketball player. It's like you guys are trying to ruin that for the rest of us.

Jan. '14, eh? Welcome to InSideHoops.

[Kblaze8855]

The idea that Kobe is a better in game(or anywhere) dunker than Vince Carter should be beyond even ISH.

Nobody is a better dunker than Vince carter and if anyone is it sure as **** isn't Kobe.

The best dunks of Kobes life approach Vinces best in New Jersey past his prime.

Kobe might have 3 dunks in his career on the level of Vince on Zo. Might. Big big might.

[Overdrive]

kobe was just way more mean when he dunked. and it was way more exciting. he really hated the guy he dunked on so it made it better too... plus kobes dunks were usually in games that mattered allot. which made them twice as impressive

Reason for Kobe > Carter.



he had no tricks.. just a facial guy..


Reason to degrade a guy's opinion on Pippen.

You're either very inconsistent, bipolar or just forget what you post and then always have to spin the shit you write in order to fit your agenda.



And ofc Wilt, Shaq and the likes are goat dunkers in a way. You could give them the ball by the basket and they'd dunk it which is close to a 100% shot.
I guess that's Dr. J's perception here.

[Cali Syndicate]

What about J-rich? He's among the top best IMO.


As for dr.j, I'm sure wilt was dunking on everybody. I'm also sure with his agility, he could emulate dunks done by any big man of this era.

[AirFederer]

Tiny Sturgess is the GOAT dunker


http://media.mlive.com/grpress/entertainment_impact/photo/10459926-large.jpg










































:facepalm

[navy]

Isnt this tread about WIlt being overrated as usual?

[WallIn]

http://newgamernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ku-xlarge2.gif

Nique and Dr J are on the same meth, wow

[Psileas]

Dr.J does love big men. Props to giving them credit when we're talking about dunkers. :applause: After all, like this board knows, quantity does count as well.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LeBron is the best ingame dunker.
there i said it.
not as aestetically pleasing as Vince maybe, but better nonetheless:coleman: :coleman:

[jstern]

I'm a minute into the video, I don't think he was talking about style. I think he means that Wilt has scored the most points on dunks in the history of the NBA, or the higher percentage of his shots came from dunks more so than anyone else ever in the game.

Edit: Then he said in terms of style, it's between Dominique and Vince, and also threw in MJ in there.

He didn't say anything controversial.

[Rake2204]

Thanks for the link, I did not see this when it initially aired. I was not entirely impressed with the last portion about each player's opinion on "best dunker of all-time". I actually agree with kenneth a little bit in terms of picking up on a feel of each panelist sort of trying to pay homage to the others in the room with them.

That said, I view dunking as an artform, so it's tough to say who's right and who's wrong. If someone's definition of best dunker of all-time was simply "man who dunked most frequently", perhaps it'd make sense for Wilt to be in the discussion.

Sidenote, I completely understand and respect David Thompson's place as dunking pioneer, but I admit I've never seen a ton of footage that'd lead me to believe he was anywhere in the discussion for best dunker of all-time. I'd say that tip jam of his was likely the best I've seen, and it's great - particularly when accounting for that era - but I haven't seen a ton of other clips that caught my attention. Anyone have links, aside from the standard top ten David Thompson YouTube video? Rare stuff?


What about J-rich? He's among the top best IMO.He's a tough case to judge. I think he's clearly amongst the best of all-time (and one of my personal favorites) but perhaps his lack of versatility limited him a little bit. The dunks he did complete (in-games) were spectacular, with wonderful style. But they were all primarily either a windmill, 360, double clutch reverse, or occasional surprise tip-dunk on somebody's head.

And to be clear, all those dunks were usually insane, but I think his inability to leap off one foot alongside a lack of length and hand size that reduced his opportunities to posterize opposing players like Nique, probably plays a role in Richardson usually hunkering down in the "amongst the greatest" category and on the outside looking in of any "absolute greatest" talks.