Kobe struggles with Eastern conference defenses

[JohnMax]

Their style is physical, and it affects his offensive rhythm and game.

[moe94]

Kobe was hyped to be the next Jordan so bad that there was a league wide conspiracy to go easier on him as he aged in order to sell this image of a next Jordan to further sell the league to the masses. Kobe was never truly a great player. He was serviceable, at best. If you watch the game and analyze the little things, it becomes obvious.

[K Xerxes]

Well...

Kobe vs East: 24.6-5.2-4.8 on .446/.335/.835

Kobe vs West: 25.9-5.3-4.7 on .458/.335/.839

In his career.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Kobe may have a hard time scoring but in his defense no NBA player has scored in a game in which he didn't play because he's been injured almost the whole season.
Kobe was hyped to be the next Jordan so bad that there was a league wide conspiracy to go easier on him as he aged in order to sell this image of a next Jordan to further sell the league to the masses. Kobe was never truly a great player. He was serviceable, at best. If you watch the game and analyze the little things, it becomes obvious.He has an MVP award. He once averaged 35. He has 5 rings. He has 2 Finals MVPs. Let's keep some perspective.

[Fire Colangelo]

Well...

Kobe vs East: 24.6-5.2-4.8 on .446/.335/.835

Kobe vs West: 25.9-5.3-4.7 on .458/.335/.839

In his career.

Actually, if you look at his playoffs records against the east vs west, you'd see a huge difference.

Not sure if that means he's bad finals performers or struggles against eastern teams. :confusedshrug:

[gts]

Kobe was hyped to be the next Jordan so bad that there was a league wide conspiracy to go easier on him as he aged in order to sell this image of a next Jordan to further sell the league to the masses. Kobe was never truly a great player. He was serviceable, at best. If you watch the game and analyze the little things, it becomes obvious.

:facepalm The idiots on this site are amazing, the fact you can even log in is a shocker

[red1]

Kobe was hyped to be the next Jordan so bad that there was a league wide conspiracy to go easier on him as he aged in order to sell this image of a next Jordan to further sell the league to the masses. Kobe was never truly a great player. He was serviceable, at best. If you watch the game and analyze the little things, it becomes obvious.
:cheers: You're awesome bro. One of my favorite lines I use when I troll is "it's the little things that count, and thats why kobe is the most overrated player of all time" or "it's the details that count and thats why lebron is the worst choker in nba history" etc

[moe94]

:facepalm The idiots on this site are amazing, the fact you can even log in is a shocker

Because it was serious. :rolleyes:

[Inferno]

People still can't catch Moe's sarcasm? :biggums:

[gts]

People still can't catch Moe's sarcasm? :biggums:I missed it.. hard to tell with him sometimes

m'bad Moe

[Nikola_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=muXgI8OASek#t=338

interesting

[JohnMax]

Kobe's 2008 Playoff Run is (almost) 1991-1993 Jordan like
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327202

1st Round: 4-0 vs Nuggets 34 ppg/ 5 reb/ 6 ast on 50%
2nd Round: 4-2 vs Jazz 33 ppg/ 7 reb/ 7 ast on 49%
WCF: 4-1 vs Spurs 29 ppg/ 6 reb/ 4 ast on 53%
Finals 2-4 vs Celtics: 26 ppg on 40.5%.

[secund2nun]

Lebron does better against Western teams as well. They play less D in the West.

[ImKobe]

Lebron does better against Western teams as well. They play less D in the West.

Lebron's FG% dropped by 12% in the Finals last year from his regular season fg%. Conclusion = Lebron struggles with Western Conference defenses.

[moe94]

Lebron's FG% dropped by 12% in the Finals last year from his regular season fg%. Conclusion = Lebron struggles with Western Conference defenses.
:biggums: :roll:

[secund2nun]

Lebron's FG% dropped by 12% in the Finals last year from his regular season fg%. Conclusion = Lebron struggles with Western Conference defenses.

Look at his overall play vs the West and you will find Lebron plays better against the West than the East just like Kobe.

Lebron career stats:

Vs West: 27.6-7.4-7.1, 50% fg, 36% 3P

Vs East: 27.5-7.2-6.8, 49% fg, 32% 3P

Also Lebron shot worse against Chicago than against San Antonio.

[ArbitraryWater]

Because it was serious. :rolleyes:

Riiight

Why the fcuk are you always saying "because it was serious/was joking" ? Why do you still make these wierd ass jokes then? You try too hard bro. I dont get what your trying to achieve... not like this is a joke thread. 41% for his Finals Career? Struggling.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe's 2008 Playoff Run is (almost) 1991-1993 Jordan like
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327202

1st Round: 4-0 vs Nuggets 34 ppg/ 5 reb/ 6 ast on 50%
2nd Round: 4-2 vs Jazz 33 ppg/ 7 reb/ 7 ast on 49%
WCF: 4-1 vs Spurs 29 ppg/ 6 reb/ 4 ast on 53%
Finals 2-4 vs Celtics: 26 ppg on 40.5%.
Godamn do I miss those days....:cry:

[moe94]

Riiight

Why the fcuk are you always saying "because it was serious/was joking" ? Why do you still make these wierd ass jokes then? You try too hard bro. I dont get what your trying to achieve... not like this is a joke thread. 41% for his Finals Career? Struggling.

I guess LeBron is ass as well considering his Finals stats aren't the greatest, therefore LeBron struggles against the West.

Is that how it goes?

What are you even talking about right now as if that post was remotely serious? A conspiracy? Really?

[ArbitraryWater]

Godamn do I miss those days....:cry:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327202

Check it out :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

I guess LeBron is ass as well considering his Finals stats aren't the greatest, therefore LeBron struggles against the West.

Is that how it goes?

What are you even talking about right now as if that post was remotely serious? A conspiracy? Really?

Riiight because he shot 48% in 2011, 47% in 2012... his Career isnt over yet, AND the East with Pistons/Celtics/Bulls/Pacers was always known to have tougher defenses... Kobe has gone to 7 Finals, 4 times he has had BEAST WCF's, 30 PPG on 50% Ish, every time in the Finals he dropped off to reach the 40% clip.. at best 43 when he had it going the round before

[K Xerxes]

Riiight because he shot 48% in 2011, 47% in 2012... his Career isnt over yet, AND the East with Pistons/Celtics/Bulls/Pacers was always known to have tougher defenses... Kobe has gone to 7 Finals, 4 times he has had BEAST WCF's, 30 PPG on 50% Ish, every time in the Finals he dropped off to reach the 40% clip.. at best 43 when he had it going the round before

Lol, you did not just say that. :oldlol:

[moe94]

Riiight because he shot 48% in 2011, 47% in 2012... his Career isnt over yet, AND the East with Pistons/Celtics/Bulls/Pacers was always known to have tougher defenses... Kobe has gone to 7 Finals, 4 times he has had BEAST WCF's, 30 PPG on 50% Ish, every time in the Finals he dropped off to reach the 40% clip.. at best 43 when he had it going the round before

Please provide LeBron's Finals stats. Let's just see them, for arguments sake. :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol, you did not just say that. :oldlol:

? What do you mean? 47% is struggling? Dude you realize you're basically saying Kobe struggled in every run of his career then :lol Come on.

[ArbitraryWater]

Please provide LeBron's Finals stats. Let's just see them, for arguments sake. :confusedshrug:

You need to add context to the raw Numbers. I did. You don't seem to understand much of that...

2011 was a complete choke job/failure, it had nothing to do with some superior western defense shutting him down :roll: You dont believe that, do you?

2012: 29 Points, 10 Rebounds, 7 Assists on 47%
2013: 25 Points, 11 Rebounds, 7 Assists on 45%

Where's the 40% STRUGGLES?

[K Xerxes]

? What do you mean? 47% is struggling? Dude you realize you're basically saying Kobe struggled in every run of his career then :lol Come on.

Are you saying LeBron didn't struggle in the 2011 finals? I can't believe you cherry picked his FG% as if it was admirable.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron's FG% dropped by 12% in the Finals last year from his regular season fg%. Conclusion = Lebron struggles with Western Conference defenses.
Same thing happnened in 07. 12% drop (47.6 to 35.6).

[moe94]

The numbers are wrong when they don't support me. You're basically operating on the level of Kobe stans that take away his first 2-3 years to inflate his career stats. lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Are you saying LeBron didn't struggle in the 2011 finals? I can't believe you cherry picked his FG% as if it was admirable.

Nah we were only looking at FG%. Thats where Kobe struggled, so we checked how LeBron rules there... you marked the wrong year then though

[ArbitraryWater]

The numbers are wrong when they don't support me. You're basically operating on the level of Kobe stans that take away his first 2-3 years to inflate his career stats. lol

I actually take away his first 2 years too. Its called "applying context". Nobody gives him shit for 97-99 anyway. Dude was 18&19 y/o, dont mind taking anything away, especially as bench player.

[moe94]

I actually take away his first 2 years too. Its called "applying context". Nobody gives him shit for 97-99 anyway. Dude was 18&19 y/o, dont mind taking anything away, especially as bench player.

Dude, none of that matters. You cannot cherrypick shit, especially 2011. :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude, none of that matters. You cannot cherrypick shit, especially 2011. :roll:

Okayyy now that doesnt matter anymore :oldlol:

Answer then: 2011 a result off a complete choke job/failure OR superior western defense shutting him down?

[Black and White]

Okayyy now that doesnt matter anymore :oldlol:

Answer then: 2011 a result off a complete choke job/failure OR superior western defense shutting him down?

:biggums:

He choked dude, straight up

[moe94]

Are you serious? Your logic doesn't matter. You're laughing like you're not being a complete stan right now.

What does choke even mean? What does it matter what happened if LeBron had a shit series, regardless? He could have seriously been alone and shooting by himself in that series and it would make no damn difference to the end result. He had a shit Finals and it's counted towards his legacy. You can't simply overlook it because it suits your agenda.

[Dave3]

Actually, if you look at his playoffs records against the east vs west, you'd see a huge difference.

Not sure if that means he's bad finals performers or struggles against eastern teams. :confusedshrug:
Or maybe because if the plays an Eastern team in the playoffs, it's always the best and toughest Eastern team, while if he plays a Western team in the playoffs, it can be any team 1-8.

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

He choked dude, straight up

EXACTLY. What I said if you actually would read my previous posts :lol

Moe still voiding the question :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

You need to add context to the raw Numbers. I did. You don't seem to understand much of that...

2011 was a complete choke job/failure, it had nothing to do with some superior western defense shutting him down :roll: You dont believe that, do you?

2012: 29 Points, 10 Rebounds, 7 Assists on 47%
2013: 25 Points, 11 Rebounds, 7 Assists on 45%

Where's the 40% STRUGGLES?
Yeah because those defenses were as good as the ones Kobe faced...

The 07 Spurs were a similar type of elite defense that Kobe usually faced in the Finals. Lebron averaged 22 ppg on 35.6% with 5.75 t/o vs them. So there are no 40% struggles, more like 35% struggles.

[Round Mound]

Kobe's 2008 Playoff Run is (almost) 1991-1993 Jordan like
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=327202

1st Round: 4-0 vs Nuggets 34 ppg/ 5 reb/ 6 ast on 50%
2nd Round: 4-2 vs Jazz 33 ppg/ 7 reb/ 7 ast on 49%
WCF: 4-1 vs Spurs 29 ppg/ 6 reb/ 4 ast on 53%
Finals 2-4 vs Celtics: 26 ppg on 40.5%.

:confusedshrug: :facepalm