Should Dan Gilbert blow it up?

[DukeDelonte13]

Serious question:

If you were Dan Gilbert would you fire Chris Grant and Mike Brown?

This season has been epically disappointing. Team plays with no passion. Star player is unhappy.

I think Chris Grant's moves in a vacuum are good, not phenomenal, but good. His only real f*ck up has been Bennett, and he could still turn out to be a good player for all we know. However his free agent signings were awful, and the players don't seem to be jiving well with Mike Brown, which was his hire.


I thought MB would bring this team back to some level of respectability after Byron Scott. He has great assistants, Bernie Bickerstaff and Igor Kokosov. I don't think the offensive struggles are really his blame. The X's and O's aren't the problem and neither are the rotations. The more I watch this season progress it just seems like these young guys just aren't connecting with him. They aren't playing hard every night. I think MB's problem is getting this team motivated and getting them to believe in the system. Yesterday the players just abandoned it.


If you do blow it up who do you replace Grant and MB with? Or should Gilbert stay the course and try to better the team through stability?

[NumberSix]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.

[navy]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.
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[moe94]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.
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[kNIOKAS]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.
He meant it literary, genius...

[cos88]

blow up what?


they were in a very good position after they got the 1st pick and picked kyrie then all shit broke loose with their stupid decisions.

[Phantom_Blue]

Gotta find out whether Kyrie is a franchise player or the 2nd option. I don't follow Kyrie but it seems like he's not the greatest leader.

But yeah, get rid of Brown and bring in someone who instills discipline and commands some respecr, maybe a Lionel Hollins and trade the young guys for some solid vets.

Or Karl if you're going to stick with the youth and want player development.

[RightToCensor]

Kyrie is a 2 guard playing point. That is issue #1.

[shallehalle]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.
:bowdown:

[jbryan1984]

I just wish we wouldn't of hired Brown back. I wanted Nate McMillan. But yeah, there is something going on, too much talent to be playing this bad. I thought Bynum might of been the problem, and it did seem like they were playing like new men as soon as he left but wow was that embarrassing or what on TNT? Like, I could undertand if it was Miami OKC, Indy or somebody but it was freaking New York. We beat them no problem earlier this year. Just nobody plays hard and I feel like the 2011 Cavs played harder then this group.

As for Chris Grant..... I don't think he has done a bad job at all. Really the only questionable decision he has made was drafting Bennett and its far too early to judge the kid yet. He only gets judged like this because he was #1, we don't know how he will be in 1-2 years. Its not like there has never been a player who didn't develop until their 3rd or 4th season. Steve Nash, John Stockton certainly come up for discussion. The FA signings this year, I mean, who would of thought Jarrett Jack would decline after coming off the best season of his career, where he was arguably the best bench guard in the league last year. Andrew Bynum, also coming off the best season of his career (not counting the Philly experiment where he did NOT play). Who knew he wouldn't want to play in Cleveland? Well why did you sign then moron? You weren't traded here. :facepalm . But, also keep in mind this guy managed to trade Mo Williams and Jamario Moon to get Kyrie Irving. His other draft picks have not been bad either. I am satisfied with TT, Waiters and Zeller. Maybe we could of had Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonard or even Harrison Barnes but they all are still developing and I am satisfied.

[ImKobe]

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER 'KING' WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....

Dan Gilbert

Majority Owner

Cleveland Cavaliers

...

[navy]

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[PejaNowitzki]

You know what's really pathetic, Cleveland has had multiple trips to the draft lottery and multiple opportunities to rebuild their team the right way and in one offseason, Ryan McDonough in Phoenix has been able to exceed what they've done and put together a far better team.

[crisoner]

I'll take Kyrie on the Lakers!

We will send you Jordan Famar.

[Godzuki]

they need a nazi coach like Skiles or someone like Thibodou who will push more team concept. someone who is willing to sit the star player for sucking and not give him the ball in crunch for choking, and make them earn those opportunities. and find guys who can deliver instead of going by their players reps. I feel like the Cav's suffer with how much leeway and emphasis they put on their 'good' players no matter how well or bad they're playing.

giving Kyrie the ball to do whatever he wants the last 2 minutes of every close game where he chokes more than he delivers is typical Mike Brown having no pull and being regulated by his stars rep's coaching. better coaches would have taken the ball out of their hands after so much failure and not have been afraid to piss their star players off where they get a chip on their shoulder to get better at things. so much guard iso with such streaky shooters that are poor decision makers is just dumb coaching to me.

for how much hype Waiters gets by Cav's fans he's extremely overrated imo. he has moments of talented drives but for the most part all he does is chuck shots that are as hit and miss streaky as Joe Johnson from game to game.


there has to be more a team ball movement concept imo, and less emphasis on their guards chuckinig, iso'ing and taking difficult shots. i mean go into tristan more than the guards if anything.

watching the Cav's is real frustrating to me. i think they should blow it up because the players they're counting on to take them to the top aren't capable, nor the coaching. Knicks made them look so amateur last night where they looked like a rec league team. JR's highlight reels were like playing playground on scrubs.

[LeGOAT]

Kyrie for Norris Cole. He's from the Cleveland area so he's already a great match. He also wins a championship every year of his career so Cavs will be guaranteed a championship

[HylianNightmare]

need to trade kyrie while he still has takers

[DukeDelonte13]

they need a nazi coach like Skiles or someone like Thibodou who will push more team concept. someone who is willing to sit the star player for sucking and not give him the ball in crunch for choking, and make them earn those opportunities. and find guys who can deliver instead of going by their players reps. I feel like the Cav's suffer with how much leeway and emphasis they put on their 'good' players no matter how well or bad they're playing.

giving Kyrie the ball to do whatever he wants the last 2 minutes of every close game where he chokes more than he delivers is typical Mike Brown having no pull and being regulated by his stars rep's coaching. better coaches would have taken the ball out of their hands after so much failure and not have been afraid to piss their star players off where they get a chip on their shoulder to get better at things. so much guard iso with such streaky shooters that are poor decision makers is just dumb coaching to me.

for how much hype Waiters gets by Cav's fans he's extremely overrated imo. he has moments of talented drives but for the most part all he does is chuck shots that are as hit and miss streaky as Joe Johnson from game to game.


there has to be more a team ball movement concept imo, and less emphasis on their guards chuckinig, iso'ing and taking difficult shots. i mean go into tristan more than the guards if anything.

watching the Cav's is real frustrating to me. i think they should blow it up because the players they're counting on to take them to the top aren't capable, nor the coaching. Knicks made them look so amateur last night where they looked like a rec league team. JR's highlight reels were like playing playground on scrubs.


Brown does not tell Kyrie Irving to go 1 v 5 at the end of close games. Like i said the issue isn't with the plays being drawn up it's with the players executing the plays that the coach gives them. Does that signify the players just tuning Brown out or is it just the product of being a young 21 year old trying to prove he's a superstar?

[ImKobe]

Serious question:

If you were Dan Gilbert would you fire Chris Grant and Mike Brown?


We fired Mike Brown last season, didn't really help our cause. He's not that bad of a coach as far as defense goes, he just sucks on O and he's not a leader. Still, somehow he coached the Lakers to a 3rd seed and also won a playoff series, so he's not a total loser.

Point is, your roster isn't really that good. It's average and Mike Brown is not going to deliver you a championship in the future. He had it easy with Lebron because Bron coached the offense himself, Kyrie is not Bron.

[tpols]

Would Cleveland take LA's pick this year for kyrie? Thatd be a pretty even deal.

[ballup]

He should trade for a better player than Deng, meaning that Waiters should be made available.

[TMT]

I feel like the reason they rehired Mike Brown in the first place was to send a message to Lebron: "If you come back we can win a title like we should have before".

[DukeDelonte13]

I feel like the reason they rehired Mike Brown in the first place was to send a message to Lebron: "If you come back we can win a title like we should have before".


IMO they hired MB because Brown is a workoholic and Byron was lazy and disengaged, and never really put in any extra time. Cavs were the worst defensive team in the league, they wanted D, they knew the sole reason they fired MB the first time was to appease Lebron.

MB is an extremely hard worker, his had success in the league, his teams were very good defensive and rebounding teams, and after the cavs got mo williams they were decent offensively as well.

The other thing about MB is that he loves to teach. He's patient. Seemingly the perfect guy for a very young roster that is terrible defensively.

Something just is not working out.

[Godzuki]

Brown does not tell Kyrie Irving to go 1 v 5 at the end of close games. Like i said the issue isn't with the plays being drawn up it's with the players executing the plays that the coach gives them. Does that signify the players just tuning Brown out or is it just the product of being a young 21 year old trying to prove he's a superstar?


he's the coach. if a player isn't listening to your game plans even if he's your star player then its up to the coach to do something about it. like i said Skiles or Thib's would never tolerate that crap. i mean Mike Brown has always let the stars he's coached dictate him.

and its more than that, like letting Kyrie and Waiters iso chuck all game, and not finding other capable players on his roster who aren't big names to help out instead of only giving big names or players with reps the only chances. good coaches tend to find good role players on their rosters and get a lot more out of them, but on the CAv's they're pretty much non existent which isn't just because nobody else has talent. they basically have lived and died by their guards up to this point of the season.

[Solefade]

IMO they hired MB because Brown is a workoholic and Byron was lazy and disengaged, and never really put in any extra time. Cavs were the worst defensive team in the league, they wanted D, they knew the sole reason they fired MB the first time was to appease Lebron.

MB is an extremely hard worker, his had success in the league, his teams were very good defensive and rebounding teams, and after the cavs got mo williams they were decent offensively as well.

The other thing about MB is that he loves to teach. He's patient. Seemingly the perfect guy for a very young roster that is terrible defensively.

Something just is not working out.

MB sucks doe

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Serious question:

If you were Dan Gilbert would you fire Chris Grant and Mike Brown?

This season has been epically disappointing. Team plays with no passion. Star player is unhappy.

I think Chris Grant's moves in a vacuum are good, not phenomenal, but good. His only real f*ck up has been Bennett, and he could still turn out to be a good player for all we know. However his free agent signings were awful, and the players don't seem to be jiving well with Mike Brown, which was his hire.


I thought MB would bring this team back to some level of respectability after Byron Scott. He has great assistants, Bernie Bickerstaff and Igor Kokosov. I don't think the offensive struggles are really his blame. The X's and O's aren't the problem and neither are the rotations. The more I watch this season progress it just seems like these young guys just aren't connecting with him. They aren't playing hard every night. I think MB's problem is getting this team motivated and getting them to believe in the system. Yesterday the players just abandoned it.


If you do blow it up who do you replace Grant and MB with? Or should Gilbert stay the course and try to better the team through stability?


WTF u mean blow it up? u need to have vet pieces to blow it up....

Even u freaking blow it up you guys are going draft the same guys you did like Bennett, Thompson, Waiters, Karasev

like it was not enough for the 1st time u guys brought in the retard Mike Brown for 2nd time, why?

[Duderonomy]

No Dan Gilbert shouldn't blow up the Quicken loans arena to collect the insurance money. Think before you post next time.

[FireDavidKahn]

He has had 3 #1 overall picks since 2003-04.:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Oh, I get it. Should Dan Gilbert blow "it" up (it = LeBron's joint).

I guess that's Cleveland's only shot at ever being relevant.

[secund2nun]

Cleveland should tank like hell, trade overrated Irving for a high lottery pick or young talented player, fire Brown and Grant.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Blow what up? They're already a lottery team.

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[NattyPButter]

I didn't want to see Brown fired but after the last few games he has to go. What kind of coach has his power forwards guarding the opposing teams shooting guard? He plays bums over rookies that he should be developing. I also would fire Grant. He does to many surprise draft picks. I also was confused why he signed Jack when the team already had Waiters controlling the ball along with Kyrie. Jack has always been known as a chucker. Also signing Clark was a dumb move when you already have so many bigs on the team already.

[guy]

Does Kyrie wanting out pretty much end any possibility of Lebron coming back to Cleveland?

Either way, Kyrie has to be the most overrated player in the league. He's averaging 21/6 on poor efficiency on a horrible team in a horrible conference. How is this guy even close to a superstar? There's multiple guards that put up better volume and efficiency stats, while sharing the load with other good players and leading their teams to better records. I am baffled by how much hype he gets. At least with someone like Kevin Love, he's actually putting up amazing numbers. Kyrie literally doesn't have anything great going on for him relatively speaking.