Jordan's midrange game and jumpshot is severely underrated here

[Derivative]

Everytime there's a discussion about the best midrange players or jumpshooters, Michael Jordan is almost never mention. Despite the fact that no one else has made more jumpshots than Jordan, and Jordan was able to do this on insane efficiency (49% from midrange in 1997, same as Steve Nash at his prime).


It's really funny how people bring up names like Allan Houston, Nash, West, Nowitzki, etc. Because none of them have the efficiency like jordaan, none of them have made more jumpers than jordan, and none of them was as good as creating his own shot than Jordan.


It's even funnier when people say Kobe is a better midrange shooter and jumpshooter than jordan:roll: :roll: :roll: Jordan makes more jumpshots at a way superior field goal % than Kobe, it's not even comparable.

[ABfor3]

I understand where you're coming from, but remember a lot of these posters on here are probably young, and didn't really get to watch MJ play. MJ midrange game was unstoppable.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than former teammate Horace Grant

[Legends66NBA7]

Nothing about Jordan is underrated.

[ABfor3]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than his teammate Horace Grant
Don't forget about Rip Hamilton , one of the GOAT mid range shooters

[Derivative]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than former teammate Horace Grant


do you have any evidence or stats to back it up?

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe is a better jumpshooter than MJ was.

http://trusoulradio.mobi/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/HtiEc.gif

Deal with it.

[theaussieguy]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than former teammate Horace Grant

is this actually true? how can this be true? surely its not true?

Jordan won so many games with that jumpshot, if all these people have better jump shots, where are their 6 rings? I think ur talking out ur ass

[East_Stone_Ya]

Nothing about Jordan is underrated.

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[RoundMoundOfReb]

Who underrates it?

[#number6ix#]

Nothing about Jordan is underrated.
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[DCL]

a lot of guys can shoot better than jordan in the gym, but the difference is in the game. when defenders are all up their asses, they missing and bricking while jordan buries them in their faces. you don't lead the league in scoring for 10 years as a shooting guard without a deadly shot.

[poido123]

Since I've been here, there have been numerous comments made about Jordan's midrange game. Goes without saying after a while...

It's one of his cornerstones so people don't talk about it so much anymore here, its been talked about enough.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than former teammate Horace Grant

Dumbest thing I've ever read. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Everybody overrates his midrange if anything
Bird, Dirk, Iceman, Mullin, King, Dantley, Nash etc all had better midranges easily
MJ wasnt even a better mid range shooter than former teammate Horace Grant

while browsing mid range numbers, I was surprised to stumble across this... :wtf:

[3ball]

It's even funnier when people say Kobe is a better midrange shooter and jumpshooter than jordan:roll: :roll: :roll: Jordan makes more jumpshots at a way superior field goal % than Kobe, it's not even comparable.


Jordan frequently scored 40, 50 and 60 point games on all jumpshots - sometimes they were all two-point jumpshots and very contested - show me where Lebron or Durant dropped 40, 50 or 60 on all jumpshots.

When you compare Jordan's per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[swagga]

Jordan frequently scored 40, 50 and 60 point games on all jumpshots - sometimes they were all two-point jumpshots and very contested - show me where Lebron or Durant dropped 40, 50 or 60 on all jumpshots.

When you compare Jordan's per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

all them colors doe :applause:

[dubeta]

Lol MJ didn't have much of a mid range game, stop it

[theaussieguy]

lmao for people to even suggest Jordan's mid range jumpshot wasn't one of the best of all time

[swagga]

Jordan frequently scored 40, 50 and 60 point games on all jumpshots - sometimes they were all two-point jumpshots and very contested - show me where Lebron or Durant dropped 40, 50 or 60 on all jumpshots.

When you compare Jordan's per 100 stats to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:. 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts
LEBRON:. 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:. 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:..... 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:.... 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

Why does lebron have more assists than jordan? I though jordan was the GOAT PG?

[3ball]

Why does lebron have more assists than jordan? I though jordan was the GOAT PG?


Lebron has much higher time of possession - last year, Lebron and Harden were the only NON-pg's that held the ball as long as actual PG's.. So Lebron's PG style maximizes his assist averages.. Also, when you include turnovers, Jordan's stats are better...

Most importantly, Jordan's stats include his older years - when Jordan was 30 years old like Lebron is, his assist average was the same or higher:


Playoffs Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 34.7 PPG, 6.7 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.3 SPG, 1.0 BLK, 25.4 FGA, 50.1 FG%, 29.6 PER, 0.258 WS/48
Lebron: 28.2 PPG, 8.8 RPG, 6.7 APG, 1.7 SPG, 0.9 BLK, 20.8 FGA, 47.3 FG%, 27.4 PER, 0.234 WS/48


Finals Thru Age 30:

Jordan: 36.3 PPG, 6.6 RPG, 7.9 APG, 2.0 SPG, 0.76 BPG, 52.6% FG, 40.7% 3 PT
Lebron: 26.4 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.54 BPG, 44.6 FG%, 31.9% 3 PT

[3ball]

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Not only were MJ's assists the same as Lebron thru 30 and better overall when you include turnovers, but MJ had higher assists during his peak years:

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Playoffs Per Game:

JORDAN 1989-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1989-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game): 34.4 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 2.3 stl.. 25.3 fga.. 50.2 fg.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2013 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2013-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 28.3 ppg.. 8.9 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 stl.. 19.9 fga.. 48.2 fg.. 118 ORtg


Playoffs Per 100 Possession:

JORDAN 1989-1993 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1989-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 44.2 pts... 8.6 reb... 8.8 ast.. 3.0 stl.. 32.5 fga.. 50.3 fg.. 120 ORtg
LEBRON 2009-2013 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2009-2013-sum:playoffs_per_poss): 36.5 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.3 ast.. 2.3 stl.. 25.6 fga.. 49.3 fg.. 118 ORtg


Per Game in Finals:

JORDAN 1991-1993: 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.0 spg.. 0.76 bpg.. 52.6 fg.. 40.7% 3 pt
LEBRON 2011-2014: 24.1 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.4 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.55 bpg.. 46.3 fg.. 31.2% 3 pt



Notice how MJ and Lebron had the same efficiency, but MJ had much higher shot volume - so he did exactly what Lebron did, but just MORE OF IT.. Actually, MJ's efficiency was a little higher.

Overall, MJ scored 25% more than peak Lebron in the playoffs, including more assists on better efficiency... and far better clutch... Of course, in the most important games of all - the Finals - the gap is utterly massive.

Let's not forget that Lebron lost with #1 seed in 2009, quit in 2010, had goat choke in 2011 Finals, shortened season in 2012, needed RayRay legacy-saver in 2013, and was lost by record margin in 2014.

Compare that to MJ leading a 6 seed to ECF in 1989, enduring Pippen's epic choke in 1990 costing them their first ring, and 3/3 with goat Finals performances from 91'-93'.

[TemporaMutantur]

Nothing about Jordan is underrated.

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