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pauk
12-24-2013, 01:33 PM
Does anybody know?

I know one candidate for now though, Reggie Miller once scored 57 points with only 29 FGA.... that is 1.97 points per FGA... so i guess what im looking for is who had the best points per FGA with highest magnitude of points/shots in a game....

glidedrxlr22
12-24-2013, 01:42 PM
Back in his Sacramento days, don't know if it's still true, Kevin Martin used to get a lot of points/shot.

50 points on 22 field goals vs GS 2009.... 2.27 points per FGA

Mass Debator
12-24-2013, 01:42 PM
Glen Rice was 20/27 to score 56.

gts
12-24-2013, 01:47 PM
Kobe 62 points on 58% (31 attempts) shooting in 3/4s

2 points per attempt

MJ(Mean John)
12-24-2013, 01:48 PM
Well, food for thought.

Kobe had 81 on 47 shot attempts. 1.723 point per attempt.

R.I.P.
12-24-2013, 01:48 PM
Dirk 48 points on 12/15, 24/24 from the line. Terry Porter once scored 41 points on 14 attempts.

#number6ix#
12-24-2013, 01:51 PM
Dirk dropped 48 vs the thunder on 12/15 shooting

K Xerxes
12-24-2013, 01:52 PM
Rolando Blackman: 42 points on 10/13 shooting (22-23 FT) in 86

= 3.23 per attempt

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 01:53 PM
David Thompson, 28-38 for 73 points = 1.92 per attempt.

VIntageNOvel
12-24-2013, 01:53 PM
must be durant or harden

Mass Debator
12-24-2013, 01:55 PM
Dirk 48 points on 12/15, 24/24 from the line. Terry Porter once scored 41 points on 14 attempts.
Pretty incredible. I think Dirk takes this...

moe94
12-24-2013, 01:56 PM
Rolando Blackman: 42 points on 10/13 shooting (22-23 FT) in 86

= 3.23 per attempt

:oldlol:

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 01:57 PM
21-26, 61 points - 2.34 per FGA

http://www.nbaloud.com/userimages/user1195_1159689202.jpg

K Xerxes
12-24-2013, 01:57 PM
Pretty funny that James Donaldson once had 15 points on 1FGA, which brings him to 15 points per attempt.

Or how about all the people who scored points on no attempts? Math error. :lol

imdaman99
12-24-2013, 01:58 PM
yeah of course when you go to the line 24 times, you won't have to have as many FGa's :rolleyes:


Pretty funny that James Donaldson once had 15 points on 1FGA, which brings him to 15 points per attempt.

Or how about all the people who scored points on no attempts? Math error. :lol
how about you go do some research for us and find out the record for most points without a FGA :oldlol:

moe94
12-24-2013, 01:59 PM
yeah of course when you go to the line 24 times, you won't have to have as many FGa's :rolleyes:

Damn, how come no one thought of this before you? Scrap the damn thread. How did this escape us? :biggums:

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:00 PM
Kobe 62 points on 58% (31 attempts) shooting in 3/4s

2 points per attempt

Efficient and Dominant

SCdac
12-24-2013, 02:00 PM
Blehh... FT fests :sleeping

K Xerxes
12-24-2013, 02:00 PM
how about you go do some research for us and find out the record for most points without a FGA :oldlol:

Clint McDaniel and Jarron Collins tied with 8 points. :rockon:

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:01 PM
Rick Barry had 64 points with only 4 FTs made.

imdaman99
12-24-2013, 02:01 PM
Clint McDaniel and Jarron Collins tied with 8 points. :rockon:
The non gay twin brother was a good FT shooter :eek:

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:03 PM
Most efficient 60+ was Wilt:

29-35 for 83% with 66 points.

gts
12-24-2013, 02:12 PM
Most efficient 60+ was Wilt:

29-35 for 83% with 66 points.

meh not that impressive.. no three second rule, he just camped out in the paint and he got those funky 3 to make 2, 1 to make 2 free throw rules

How's my trolling?

HomieWeMajor
12-24-2013, 02:13 PM
http://www.miscupload.com/upload/566182526855351534337391.png

pauk
12-24-2013, 02:26 PM
Oh snap, didnt know many of those, extremly impressive :eek:

La Frescobaldi
12-24-2013, 02:27 PM
3 pointers skews everything tho

Chamberlain did 42 points on 100%
18 goals in a row; without a miss.

KobesFinger
12-24-2013, 02:28 PM
http://www.miscupload.com/upload/566182526855351534337391.png

Chuck had a perfect game

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:29 PM
Chamberlain did 42 points on 100%
18 goals in a row; without a miss.

Dat efficiency :bowdown:

pauk
12-24-2013, 02:32 PM
http://www.miscupload.com/upload/566182526855351534337391.png

Thats ridicilous.... 10 FGA? Hah! What did you score 5 points?..... Nah.... 36...

Mr. Jabbar
12-24-2013, 02:35 PM
pauk's daydreaming with fg% at this point :oldlol:

Young X
12-24-2013, 02:38 PM
James Harden had 46 pts on 19 shots last season vs OKC.

MJ had 59 pts on 27 shots against the #1 ranked defense Pistons in 1988.

Kobe had 81 on 46 shots.

idk.

pauk
12-24-2013, 02:43 PM
pauk's daydreaming with fg% at this point :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3351627/ksi-fapping-o.gif

inclinerator
12-24-2013, 02:43 PM
kevin durant 3-15 47 points 38-38 ft

james harden 4-10 38 points

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:44 PM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3351627/ksi-fapping-o.gif

Uhhh, you didn't make that, did you. :biggums:

Marchesk
12-24-2013, 02:45 PM
kevin durant 3-15 47 points 38-38 ft

james harden 4-10 38 points

Durant had 38 FTA? He made all 38, in one game? GTFO!

pauk
12-24-2013, 02:47 PM
kevin durant 3-15 47 points 38-38 ft

james harden 4-10 38 points

lol

KD did get tho:

46 points with 23 FGA (26 FTs)

K Xerxes
12-24-2013, 02:49 PM
Uhhh, you didn't make that, did you. :biggums:

That's KSI. Popular youtuber. Highly highly doubt that's pauk, but damn it would be something else if it was...

pauk
12-24-2013, 02:51 PM
That's KSI. Popular youtuber. Highly highly doubt that's pauk, but damn it would be something else if it was...

Black Yugoslavian baby! :cheers:

KobesFinger
12-24-2013, 02:55 PM
That's KSI. Popular youtuber. Highly highly doubt that's pauk, but damn it would be something else if it was...

I shook hands with him in a club. I didn't know who he was until my friend said thats KSI and showed me some videos.

Odinn
12-24-2013, 02:57 PM
http://bkref.com/tiny/kCfj4
http://bkref.com/tiny/3OLne

K Xerxes
12-24-2013, 02:58 PM
I shook hands with him in a club. I didn't know who he was until my friend said thats KSI and showed me some videos.

Met him too. He's like a celebrity in the UK when it comes to teen gamers. Not a massive fan of him, but you can't argue with the results. He must nearing 5 million subs now, jeez.

Legends66NBA7
12-24-2013, 03:00 PM
I'm assuming the answer is Kevin Martin.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200904010GSW.html

^I remembered watching this triple OT game he had 50+ points on only 22 FGA's. I believe it's the record for fewest FGM (11) to reach 50+ points.

Monta Ellis a near 40 point triple double too. From this game, I actually hoped that both players would become all-stars one day.

TimmyDuncan
12-24-2013, 03:00 PM
Rolando Blackman: 42 pts on 13 FGA and super efficiant
10/13 FG, 22/23 FT

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198602170NJN.html

Illuminati
12-24-2013, 03:13 PM
kevin durant 3-15 47 points 38-38 ft

:oldlol:

Pointguard
12-24-2013, 03:19 PM
I shook hands with him in a club. I didn't know who he was until my friend said thats KSI and showed me some videos.
I hope it was his left hand... But then again, there's no telling where that KobesFinger been either.

moe94
12-24-2013, 03:21 PM
I hope it was his left hand... But then again, there's no telling where that KobesFinger been either.
:biggums:

:roll:

Psileas
12-24-2013, 03:27 PM
Clint McDaniel (113.6% TS, untold points/FGA): http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199603200MIL.html

(But seriously, he does hold this record for most points w/o FGA's since 1964)

PHILA
12-24-2013, 03:31 PM
no three second rule

Offensive 3 seconds has been a part of the game since 1936.

DirkNowitzki41
12-24-2013, 03:38 PM
yeah of course when you go to the line 24 times, you won't have to have as many FGa's :rolleyes:


how about you go do some research for us and find out the record for most points without a FGA :oldlol:

You do realize that is gonna be the case for everyone, right? :rolleyes:

Psileas
12-24-2013, 03:44 PM
Offensive 3 seconds has been a part of the game since 1936.

Some people believe Wilt would only average as much as he did if all he'd need to do would be to camp in the paint for the whole game and ask for the ball...
The irony: In that final Wilt game that recently surfaced, Wilt was called for 3 seconds due to staying marginally longer than allowed near the FT line...

moe94
12-24-2013, 03:47 PM
LAZ and Cavs are missing. The other Wilt guys are in full force. :banana:

PHILA
12-24-2013, 03:53 PM
Some people believe Wilt would only average as much as he did if all he'd need to do would be to camp in the paint for the whole game and ask for the ball...
The irony: In that final Wilt game that recently surfaced, Wilt was called for 3 seconds due to staying marginally longer than allowed near the FT line...

There were a few very quick 3 second calls in that game. If anything it's the more modern centers who are able to camp out, with the slower whistles. In the 1966 game footage he did one move I haven't seen before off the dribble. It's similar to that wheeling move KAJ used to set up his hook shot, but Wilt finishes with the finger roll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWFTGzJJ_g&t=20s

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 03:56 PM
Wilt likely owns this record. He's had 60 point games with incredible fg%.

La Frescobaldi
12-24-2013, 03:56 PM
LAZ and Cavs are missing. The other Wilt guys are in full force. :banana:
If you saw him live you would know why that is.

moe94
12-24-2013, 03:57 PM
Wilt likely owns this record. He's had 60 point games with incredible fg%.
:rockon:

One to go.

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 04:00 PM
Most efficient 60+ was Wilt:

29-35 for 83% with 66 points.
Wasn't that in 1969 too? One of his two 60 point games that season after the media said 'Wilt can't score anymore' because they didn't believe him when he said he stopped scoring by his own choice?

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 04:00 PM
3 pointers skews everything tho

Chamberlain did 42 points on 100%
18 goals in a row; without a miss.
Holy shit :oldlol:

Psileas
12-24-2013, 04:03 PM
Wasn't that in 1969 too? One of his two 60 point games that season after the media said 'Wilt can't score anymore' because they didn't believe him when he said he stopped scoring by his own choice?

Yes, with 22 dunks, according to SI (iirc).

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 04:04 PM
If Wilt was allowed to 'camp in the lane' as he is so often mistakenly accused of he'd have averaged 75 points a game on 90% - by all accounts of footage they actually called 3 seconds MORE TIGHTLY in his era than they do now :oldlol:

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 04:05 PM
Yes, with 22 dunks, according to SI (iirc).
Funny how Jabbar never sniffed a performance like that, despite being in pretty much the exact same league against the exact same opponents just a few months later for the next several years right?

PHILA
12-24-2013, 04:12 PM
Chamberlain did 42 points on 100%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Wilt_Chamberlain


NBA Record - 35 consecutive field goals without a miss from February 17, 1967 through February 28, 1967

NBA Record - Most field goals in a game without a miss (18-18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967)

Chamberlain also holds the next two most with 16-16 (March 19, 1967) and 15-15 (January 20, 1967)

fpliii
12-24-2013, 04:41 PM
What's the minimum # of points you guys want? 30? 40? 50?

Odinn
12-24-2013, 04:55 PM
Funny how Jabbar never sniffed a performance like that, despite being in pretty much the exact same league against the exact same opponents just a few months later for the next several years right?
I do not think you can not use this situation against Kareem. He played in college while dunking was against the rules before making it to the NBA. His game, of course, didn't rely much on dunking.

CavaliersFTW
12-24-2013, 06:31 PM
I do not think you can not use this situation against Kareem. He played in college while dunking was against the rules before making it to the NBA. His game, of course, didn't rely much on dunking.
Kareem dunked no less often than Wilt did in the NBA but that's besides the point, Kareem never SCORED IN VOLUMES like Wilt was capable of doing, even when he was his teams dominant offensive weapon playing the same exact role Wilt had once played on his Warrior teams.

fpliii
12-24-2013, 07:01 PM
If we're going only by 40 point games with PTS/FGA of at least 2, here are those we have in our database for players with gamelogs:

Wilt Chamberlain 1/20/67 SEA 53 points on 23 shots
Wilt Chamberlain 10/23/65 DET 53 points on 25 shots
Julius Erving 2/22/74 SDA 51 points on 23 shots
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 2/21/70 SEA 51 points on 25 shots
Larry Bird 11/10/89 ATL 50 points on 25 shots
Oscar Robertson 12/3/65 LAL 48 points on 24 shots
Jerry West 1/25/67 BAL 45 points on 17 shots
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3/8/70 BOS 44 points on 17 shots
Oscar Robertson 11/27/65 NYK 44 points on 19 shots
Jerry West 10/30/65 SFW 44 points on 20 shots
Jerry West 1/21/69 MIL 44 points on 20 shots
Oscar Robertson 1/19/64 STL 44 points on 21 shots
Oscar Robertson 2/15/64 NYK 44 points on 22 shots
Oscar Robertson 3/13/67 CHI 43 points on 18 shots
Oscar Robertson 1/7/67 CHI 43 points on 21 shots
Wilt Chamberlain 2/24/67 BAL 42 points on 18 shots
Jerry West 1/22/64 DET 42 points on 20 shots
Wilt Chamberlain 11/25/66 BAL 41 points on 17 shots
Wilt Chamberlain 2/14/66 DET 41 points on 18 shots
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3/20/70 PHI 41 points on 18 shots
Oscar Robertson 11/21/69 CHI 41 points on 20 shots
Elgin Baylor 11/5/60 SYR 40 points on 16 shots
Oscar Robertson 3/26/65 PHI 40 points on 19 shots*
Jerry West 12/21/66 PHI 40 points on 20 shots
Jerry West 4/11/68 SFW 40 points on 20 shots*
Larry Bird 11/27/84 DAL 40 points on 20 shots

*=playoffs

This list is (almost) certainly incomplete, but there are some great performances on here.

OldSchoolBBall
12-24-2013, 07:38 PM
Jordan had 58 points on 25 FGA and also 59 points on 27 FGA.

La Frescobaldi
12-24-2013, 07:40 PM
Holy shit :oldlol:
Yeah.
When you see a guy make 5 in a row he's totally destroying that other team. 18!! Makes you wonder if Leroy Ellis ever recovered from this game.:lol

But meanwhile, what happened to OP?
He always vanishes whenever the record books are opened on Ish. Remember his "let's just say" post about '60s pace?

Pauk? Oh Pawk..... Where are you, ol' Pook? Come out, lil vanishing man

NumberSix
12-24-2013, 07:52 PM
I don't think we should really be counting people who shot like 25 free throws.

knicksman
12-24-2013, 07:55 PM
how bout the least fg% in a finals series?

dunksby
12-25-2013, 07:43 AM
Kareem dunked no less often than Wilt did in the NBA but that's besides the point, Kareem never SCORED IN VOLUMES like Wilt was capable of doing, even when he was his teams dominant offensive weapon playing the same exact role Wilt had once played on his Warrior teams.
He could have never banged 20K chicks, but then again he was busy putting up NBA all-time records one of them ironically most points scored :oldlol:
PS: I'm worried for you as you are showing symptoms of jlauber syndrome that is being a fan of old school NBA as long as it's glorifying Wilt.

no pun intended
12-25-2013, 07:46 AM
In terms of efficiency (and as aforementioned), the answer is Dirk Nowitzki.

http://i.imgur.com/qIiX7Pg.png

Here's another article regarding Nowitzki's historic performance.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/694000-mavericks-dirk-nowitzki-likely-turned-in-most-efficient-big-game-in-nba-history

pauk
12-25-2013, 09:33 AM
Jordan had 58 points on 25 FGA.

:applause:

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 02:08 PM
He could have never banged 20K chicks, but then again he was busy putting up NBA all-time records one of them ironically most points scored :oldlol:
PS: I'm worried for you as you are showing symptoms of jlauber syndrome that is being a fan of old school NBA as long as it's glorifying Wilt.
Don't get what 'jlauber syndrome' is, but I call it like I see it when it comes to 'oldschool NBA' - you can call it glorifying Wilt, but the reality is in his prime as a scorer he was more dominant at scoring than Kareem. No glorification, just hard facts backed up by statistics and film.

BTW I applaud people who put Bill Russell, MJ, or KAJ as their GOAT, I don't interject and say 'no it must be Wilt!' or w/e, Wilt even can change out of my GOAT spot depending on my mood he's just a strong GOAT candidate. I only interject when somebody tries to say something specific that is obviously untrue. Like for example calling MJ the greatest winner (no, factually that would be Bill Russell). I specifically addressed scoring dominance in my post. Kareem was never as dominant as scorer as Wilt in their retrospective scoring primes when they both played the same role.

HylianNightmare
12-25-2013, 02:18 PM
barkley

Odinn
12-25-2013, 02:21 PM
Kareem dunked no less often than Wilt did in the NBA but that's besides the point, Kareem never SCORED IN VOLUMES like Wilt was capable of doing, even when he was his teams dominant offensive weapon playing the same exact role Wilt had once played on his Warrior teams.
You mean Kareem wasn't obsessed with his numbers. Right?

Not that I'm saying Wilt wasn't one of the best scorers ever and doesn't have a case for being the best. But Kareem's case is just as strong as Wilt's one.

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 02:42 PM
You mean Kareem wasn't obsessed with his numbers. Right?

Not that I'm saying Wilt wasn't one of the best scorers ever and doesn't have a case for being the best. But Kareem's case is just as strong as Wilt's one.
Wilt was told by McGuire his team needed 50, so he got 50, a feat I believe only he could achieve and they went to 7 games in the EDF against the best team in the league during one of their strongest years. Kareem never, I mean never even came close to putting up numbers Wilt put up even on nights he got hot. When Wilt was feeling hot he shattered records. When Kareem was feeling hot, he was lucky to get 50. In fact, he only scored more than 50 or more points a small handful of times - and never scored 60. Wilt scored more than 60 points 32 times.

Plus, your shifting what I'm talking about and not seeing eye to eye - you specifically just worded this 'best scorers ever' < ---- that is not the same thing as what I'm talking about. You can prioritize other things like FT shooting, offensive arsenal, longevity, heck you can prioritize 3 point shooting if you wanted too, or volume records, w/e you name it it can be done when talking about 'best scorers ever!' that is more vague than what I am talking about. I am being quite specific here, comparing them playing the same role on their teams early in their career as dedicated volume gunners on their teams. When they both played that exact same role, Wilt did that role with more dominance than Kareem did. Wilt has 32 60+ point games. Kareem has ZERO.

Don't give me the selfish Wilt spiel either, when he was asked to get 50 he got 50, when he was asked to score less and hand off in the post under a different coach 2 seasons later he dropped to 36ppg. 14ppg is a massive drop, we're talking Wizards MJ vs Peak MJ level drop - in the middle of his prime. Did he suddenly get worse?, or perhaps he sacrificed stats. Man how 'obsessed with his numbers' he was.

Brizzly
12-25-2013, 02:48 PM
MJ had 58 points with 25 FG attempts 26-27 ft

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198702260CHI.html

Karl Malone had 61 with 26 fga
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199001270UTA.html

Steph had 54 with 28 fga, only 11 fts 7 threes
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201302270NYK.html

Odinn
12-25-2013, 03:29 PM
There is no talking to these Wilt-lover posters. They are just so obsessed... They are not capable of even accepting Wilt was a stat-padder.

La Frescobaldi
12-25-2013, 03:42 PM
There is no talking to these Wilt-lover posters. They are just so obsessed... They are not capable of even accepting Wilt was a stat-padder.
no more or less than any other star ever did. Jordan, Kobe, Elvin Hayes..... huge ballhogs at times, one and all.

moe94
12-25-2013, 03:53 PM
There is no talking to these Wilt-lover posters. They are just so obsessed... They are not capable of even accepting Wilt was a stat-padder.

Just know the usual suspects and don't engage in any real conversation regarding Wilt.

La Frescobaldi
12-25-2013, 04:00 PM
Just know the usual suspects and don't engage in any real conversation regarding Wilt.
there you go. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

moe94
12-25-2013, 04:01 PM
there you go. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen

If heat is delusion and kitchen is mental ward, sure.

half joking, you're pretty cool, relatively speaking

Straight_Ballin
12-25-2013, 04:14 PM
If Wilt was allowed to 'camp in the lane' as he is so often mistakenly accused of he'd have averaged 75 points a game on 90% - by all accounts of footage they actually called 3 seconds MORE TIGHTLY in his era than they do now :oldlol:

And if big diesel played in Wilts era, he would have been even more dominant.

Odinn
12-25-2013, 05:38 PM
no more or less than any other star ever did. Jordan, Kobe, Elvin Hayes..... huge ballhogs at times, one and all.
I highly doubt that. Wilt Chamberlain is the first name that pops up in people ming when talking about stat-padding.

Although Wilt cared about winning more and focused on his stats less, as time went on in his career. Like many of all-time greats, such as Jordan and Shaq.

I believe Bill Russell, Larry Bird and Tim Duncan are the only ones from top 10 range that never cared much about their numbers. Magic Johnson can be included, I guess. But I'm not so sure about it.

LAZERUSS
12-25-2013, 07:23 PM
I highly doubt that. Wilt Chamberlain is the first name that pops up in people ming when talking about stat-padding.

Although Wilt cared about winning more and focused on his stats less, as time went on in his career. Like many of all-time greats, such as Jordan and Shaq.

I believe Bill Russell, Larry Bird and Tim Duncan are the only ones from top 10 range that never cared much about their numbers. Magic Johnson can be included, I guess. But I'm not so sure about it.

If anyone was a "stats-padder" it was Kareem.

How about a peak Kareem? In his 71-72 season, he averaged 44.2 mpg, scored 34.8 ppg, and shot .574 from the floor. All while playing for a Bucks team that went 63-19, and had a +11.1 ppg differential.

Ok, a few years later the Bucks gladly shipped him out to LA. The Lakers had gone 30-52 the year before, and if Kareem was ever needed to step up bigtime, this would have been it. Instead, KAJ averaged 41.2 mpg, scored 27.7 ppg, and shot .529 from the field...all while leading LA to a 40-42 record.

Where were his 40 ppg seasons?

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 07:25 PM
I highly doubt that. Wilt Chamberlain is the first name that pops up in people ming when talking about stat-padding.

Although Wilt cared about winning more and focused on his stats less, as time went on in his career. Like many of all-time greats, such as Jordan and Shaq.

I believe Bill Russell, Larry Bird and Tim Duncan are the only ones from top 10 range that never cared much about their numbers. Magic Johnson can be included, I guess. But I'm not so sure about it.
The only reason Wilt scored 50 a game was to win as per his coaches (Frank McGuire's) plan. The team game plan for 1962 was to feed Wilt so that he could produce 50 as his 50 would theoretically come much easier than anyone else on the team that season (which was true) and McGuire felt that was the only way the Warriors could go toe to toe with the Celtics - that was a TEAM plan to WIN! The team took Boston to 7 games in the EDF. Gotta love revisionist history though - sure it was Wilt being 'selfish' and when he willingly relinquished scoring 50 a game (IE, when a new coach came along with a different game plan) it was because he 'gradually became less selfish'

He was just doing what his coaches asked of him - his entire career - there is no 'gradually' anything :oldlol:

Odinn
12-25-2013, 07:27 PM
If anyone was a "stats-padder" it was Kareem.

How about a peak Kareem? In his 71-72 season, he averaged 44.2 mpg, scored 34.8 ppg, and shot .574 from the floor. All while playing for a Bucks team that went 63-19, and had a +11.1 ppg differential.

Ok, a few years later the Bucks gladly shipped him out to LA. The Lakers had gone 30-52 the year before, and if Kareem was ever needed to step up bigtime, this would have been it. Instead, KAJ averaged 41.2 mpg, scored 27.7 ppg, and shot .529 from the field...all while leading LA to a 40-42 record.

Where were his 40 ppg seasons?
jlauber, sorry but I only respect your posts when you're talking something about that is not related to Wilt. Which has been pretty rare for a long time. I mean Kareem at his peak in 1971-72?.. What a joke. It's like saying Duncan was at his best in 1998-99 season.:facepalm

LAZERUSS
12-25-2013, 07:27 PM
The only reason Wilt scored 50 a game was to win - his coaches plan was to have teammates feed him so that he could produce 50 - that was the TEAM PLAN TO WIN! Gotta love revisionist history though - sure it was Wilt being 'selfish' and when he willingly relinquished scoring 50 a game (IE, when a new coach came along with a different game plan) it was because he 'gradually became less selfish'

He was just doing what his coaches asked of him - his entire career - there is no 'gradually' anything :oldlol:

Not only that, but that roster was essentially the same LAST PLACE roster that Chamberlain inherited in his rookie season, only older and worse. Furthermore, Chamberlain led them to a 49-31 record; then single-handedly carried them past Syracuse in the first round, and then to a game seven, two point loss against the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics...all whiel his teammates collectively shot .354 in that post-season.

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 07:30 PM
Not only that, but that roster was essentially the same LAST PLACE roster that Chamberlain inherited in his rookie season, only older and worse. Furthermore, Chamberlain led them to a 49-31 record; then single-handedly carried them past Syracuse in the first round, and then to a game seven, two point loss against the HOF-laden 60-20 Celtics...all whiel his teammates collectively shot .354 in that post-season.
Yeah, Wilt never would have scored 50 a game if it wasn't the teams plan either - he's a damn center, centers don't TOUCH the ball unless they are lucky to get an offensive rebound or the guards pass them the ball. He didn't score 50 a game on offensive rebounds, he was fed. His teams plan was to feed him the necessary amount of touches to reach 50, it was all premeditated by Frank McGuire and everyone was on board there's nothing selfish about it.

LAZERUSS
12-25-2013, 07:30 PM
jlauber, sorry but I only respect your posts when you're talking something about that is not related to Wilt. Which has been pretty rare for a long time. I mean Kareem at his peak in 1971-72?.. What a joke. It's like saying Duncan was at his best in 1998-99 season.:facepalm

Kareem's PEAK seasons were very early in his career. In fact, his greatest season, including the playoffs, was in 70-71, which was his second season. BTW, in his rookie season, he averaged 35.2 ppg in the playoffs. Clearly, he reached his peak early, and was never as dominant again after 72-73.

By the 74-75 season, McAdoo was just as good, and then McAdoo ran away with the scoring title (and outscored KAJ in their H2H's) in 75-76, all while leading his team to a 46-36 record, while KAJ's Lakers went 40-42. And yet, somehow, KAJ won the MVP. McAdoo should have won his second straight MVP that season.

And then from the 78-79 season on, Moses was better.

Odinn
12-25-2013, 07:41 PM
Kareem's PEAK seasons were very early in his career. In fact, his greatest season, including the playoffs, was in 70-71, which was his second season. BTW, in his rookie season, he averaged 35.2 ppg in the playoffs. Clearly, he reached his peak early, and was never as dominant again after 72-73.

By the 74-75 season, McAdoo was just as good, and then McAdoo ran away with the scoring title (and outscored KAJ in their H2H's) in 75-76, all while leading his team to a 46-36 record, while KAJ's Lakers went 40-42. And yet, somehow, KAJ won the MVP. McAdoo should have won his second straight MVP that season.

And then from the 78-79 season on, Moses was better.
Here it is again... Like I've said, I admire your posts when you're talking about that is not related to Wilt.


CavaliersFTW, you keep saying that was the plan. But no coach would allow to a ft-prone player to attempt 35-40 times per game. Unless, your best player insists to do so.

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 07:54 PM
Here it is again... Like I've said, I admire your posts when you're talking about that is not related to Wilt.


CavaliersFTW, you keep saying that was the plan. But no coach would allow to a ft-prone player to attempt 35-40 times per game. Unless, your best player insists to do so.
Why do you guys always insist on jumping to your own conclusions rather than researching this sh*t and finding out actual answers? Honestly:


McGuire met Chamberlain for the first time at the Coco Inn, near the Warriors training camp in Hershey, Pennsylvania. He told Chamberlain that he was supposed to be tough to coach, but that that was probably because Wilt had never had a coach who treated him like a man. McGuire pointed out that he, McGuire, had always been a winner and said that if Chamberlain listened to him and they worked together, it would be possible to beat Boston. Chamberlain wanted to believe McGuire, but he thought Boston was unbeatable. It simply had too many good players. McGuire said it was true that Boston was better than Philadelphia when Chamberlain was scoring thirty-seven or thirty-eight points a game. But if he scored fifty points a game, McGuire said, the Warriors could beat Boston.

"Fifty?" Chamberlain protested. "Nobody can average fifty a game in this league."

McGuire told Chamberlain he could do it. The other players wouldn't be happy, he said, and he, McGuire, was going to have to put up with a lot of bitching, but that was his problem. He would have to convince them that the only way they could win was with Chamberlain shooting constantly. In McGuire's view, Chamberlain wasn't being selfish in taking so many shots. He just had the highest shooting percentage on the team. It made more sense to have your 50-percent shooter taking the shot than it did your 40-percent shooter, which meant that if one of Wilt's teammates with a poorer shooting percentage did not pass to Wilt, that man was not acting in the team's interest. "I have two goals," McGuire told Chamberlain. "I hope we win the championship. And I hope you break every record in the book."

ace23
12-25-2013, 07:56 PM
so i guess what im looking for is who had the best points per FGA with highest magnitude of points/shots in a game....
This question is impossible to answer. Actually think about what you're asking.

PHILA
12-25-2013, 07:57 PM
"Fifty?" Chamberlain protested. "Nobody can average fifty a game in this league."
:lol

Odinn
12-25-2013, 08:23 PM
Why do you guys always insist on jumping to your own conclusions rather than researching this sh*t and finding out actual answers? Honestly:
Because there are more articles than like you've posted that claim Wilt was a ballhogging stat-padder.

But I respect your endeavor.
This was my first post on this thread;

I do not think you can not use this situation against Kareem. He played in college while dunking was against the rules before making it to the NBA. His game, of course, didn't rely much on dunking.
I was here to post about dunks and playing styles. You were the first one came up with scoring volume which was kinda irrelevant to my point, and also led us to this point.

- Kareem's play didn't rely much on dunks due to college rules.
= Wilt was a more dominant scorer.

You're the one that said to me;
'guys always insist on jumping to your own conclusions'
But you are NO better.

I'm done with arguing in this thread with you.

CavaliersFTW
12-25-2013, 08:32 PM
Because there are more articles than like you've posted that claim Wilt was a ballhogging stat-padder.

But I respect your endeavor.
This was my first post on this thread;

I was here to post about dunks and playing styles. You were the first one came up with scoring volume which was kinda irrelevant to my point, and also led us to this point.

- Kareem's play didn't rely much on dunks due to college rules.
= Wilt was a more dominant scorer.

You're the one that said to me;
'guys always insist on jumping to your own conclusions'
But you are NO better.

I'm done with arguing in this thread with you.
How was dunking rules in college even relevant to the amount of points each player was capable of producing in the NBA when they played the role of scorer? You must have missed my own point somewhere in there. I never equated scoring dominance with dunks. Doesn't matter anyways, the no-dunking-rules from Kareem's NCAA years did not stop him from throwing down jams every opportunity he got in the NBA. Watch his Bucks games and documentaries on the Bucks, if he got anywhere close to the ring or saw an opening he threw down with as much force as he could.

inclinerator
12-26-2013, 11:48 PM
james harden 2-9 fg 27 points