Replace Lebron with Kobe

[Marchesk]

Surely this has not been done before. :confusedshrug:

2011 - Yes obviously
2012 - Lose to Celtics
2013* - Yes, Kobe goes off on Spurs

* Kobe doesn't get hurt because he doesn't have to carry a dysfunctional team.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Didn't the Mavs shut Kobe down? As bad they own Miami, Dallas shoved up broom up the Lakers ass in the playoffs.

[pegasus]

They'd easily win three, and haters would be talking about how dominant Bosh is as a big.:lol

[zoom17]

Surely this has not been done before. :confusedshrug:

2011 - Yes obviously
2012 - Lose to Celtics
2013* - Yes, Kobe goes off on Spurs

* Kobe doesn't get hurt because he doesn't have to carry a dysfunctional team.

I dont think he passes the pacers:oldlol:

[zoom17]

Didn't the Mavs shut Kobe down? As bad they own Miami, Dallas shoved up broom up the Lakers ass in the playoffs.

Exactly

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Kobe didn't play well in 2011 vs the Mavs either. not sure they win in any year.

[G-Funk]

Didn't the Mavs shut Kobe down? As bad they own Miami, Dallas shoved up broom up the Lakers ass in the playoffs.

No, Kobe got his

[Mr. Jabbar]

you can basically replace lebron with anyone and they win, not even funny. cant do the same with kobe on the shak/kobe lakers. thats what makes asterisks of brans latest achievements

[longtime lurker]

Surely this has not been done before. :confusedshrug:

2011 - Yes obviously-Yes
2012 - Lose to Celtics-Kobe beat the Celtics 2 years earlier sure he can beat a worse version of the team.
2013* - Yes, Kobe goes off on Spurs-how's Kobe gonna go off the on Spurs with no achilles?

* Kobe doesn't get hurt because he doesn't have to carry a dysfunctional team.

Answers in bold

[Lebron23]

http://theosophical.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/zero2.jpg

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://theosophical.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/zero2.jpg

looks like brans finals 4th qtr ppg

[SavageMode]

http://warroomsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mavs-sweeping-Lakers.jpg
:roll::roll::roll::roll:

Next.

[zoom17]

http://warroomsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mavs-sweeping-Lakers.jpg
:roll::roll::roll::roll:

Next.

:oldlol:

[Ca$H]

Replace LeBron with prime Kobe.

2011- chip
2012- chip
2013- chip.

[Solefade]

http://warroomsports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Mavs-sweeping-Lakers.jpg
:roll::roll::roll::roll:

Next.

lmao

[longtime lurker]

Replace LeBron with prime Kobe.

2011- chip
2012- chip
2013- chip.

This is the only time that this would actually be correct.

[Marchesk]

Replace LeBron with prime Kobe.

2011- chip
2012- chip
2013- chip.

Prime Kobe - I agree with that, provided that he and Wade can coexist well enough.

[red1]

I say they win 1 or 2 and thats simply out of respect for kobe. There is a thread saying what do they win with kevin love and that is a resounding zero.

[SavageMode]

2011: Mavs would sweep Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Kobrick the team into a loss
2012: Durant would styll all over Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Koclonk the team to a loss
2013: Kobe's ballhogging would Kochoke against the Spurs

Kobe has no team chemistry with the Heat and he would never pass the ball.

/End thread.

[red1]

Miami NEEDS what lebron brings to the table. They dont have a single centre on the roster so they need every last bit of their perimeter dominance just to give themselves a chance

[Bandito]

Kobe didn't play well in 2011 vs the Mavs either. not sure they win in any year.
yes but that was mostly because his knees were done.that was the reason he took that procedure in Germany.

[zoom17]

sorry but a chucker like kobe doesn't fit the heat roster you need a more balance player that could defend pass rebound and score and that man this Lebron:rockon:

[Marchesk]

2011: Mavs would sweep Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Kobrick the team into a loss
2012: Durant would styll all over Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Koclonk the team to a loss
2013: Kobe's ballhogging would Kochoke against the Spurs

Kobe has no team chemistry with the Heat and he would never pass the ball.

/End thread.

2011 - you forget that Wade was healthy and would have been MVP of that finals if Lebron had shown up. Kobe averages almost 5 assists for his career. He's not Melo. His teams managed to win 5 championships with him, so he can't be that horrible of a teammate all the time.

[branslowski]

Kobe with Wade and Bosh? Easy titles. Kobe played subpar vs Mavs, but was still better than Bron. N u think Kobe gonna not score in 4th quarters and shy away from the ball? N!ggas in this thread straight buggin.

[longtime lurker]

2011: Mavs would sweep Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Kobrick the team into a loss
2012: Durant would styll all over Kobe-Heat/Kobe would Koclonk the team to a loss
2013: Kobe's ballhogging would Kochoke against the Spurs

Kobe has no team chemistry with the Heat and he would never pass the ball.

/End thread.

I'll give you credit for having them make the finals. Knowing your posting history I figure you'd have them missing the playoffs everyone of those years :lol

[SavageMode]

2011 - you forget that Wade was healthy and would have been MVP of that finals if Lebron had shown up. Kobe averages almost 5 assists for his career. He's not Melo. His teams managed to win 5 championships with him, so he can't be that horrible of a teammate all the time.
*1 ring.

3 from Shaq
1 from Tim Donaughy

I'll give him the credit of 1, solely Twin tower combo of Gasol and Bynum and Phil Jackson coaching carried him doe.

[longtime lurker]

Kobe with Wade and Bosh? Easy titles. Kobe played subpar vs Mavs, but was still better than Bron. N u think Kobe gonna not score in 4th quarters and shy away from the ball? N!ggas in this thread straight buggin.

Could you imagine teams leaving prime Kobe completely open to take jumpshots? :roll: :roll: jesus the series would be called after 3 games

[Bandito]

Could you imagine teams leaving prime Kobe completely open to take jumpshots? :roll: :roll: jesus the series would be called after 3 games
The coach would've probably been fired.

[Solefade]

kobe and wade would never be able to coexist together so 0 rings

[Marchesk]

*1 ring.

3 from Shaq
1 from Tim Donaughy

I'll give him the credit of 1, solely Twin tower combo of Gasol and Bynum and Phil Jackson coaching carried him doe.

Shaq isn't winning 3 titles without Kobe, though. Yeah, they swept the Spurs, but Kobe went off. And they barely beat the Kings next season.

[zoom17]

kobe and wade would never be able to coexist together so 0 rings

:applause:

[SavageMode]

Shaq isn't winning 3 titles without Kobe, though. Yeah, they swept the Spurs, but Kobe went off. And they barely beat the Kings next season.
Shaq = 3 FMVPs

[longtime lurker]

kobe and wade would never be able to coexist together so 0 rings

People said the same thing about Lebron and Wade too. How exactly would they not coexist? You do know Wade won a championship without Lebron.

[red1]

Laker fans would be in for a rude awakening watching kobe replace lebron on this heat team. They barely win with bronzy and somehow they will dominate with an obvious downgrade? It doesnt make sense

[Marchesk]

Shaq = 3 FMVPs

Yeah, Shaq was the MVP of those Lakers teams, but he isn't getting to the finals all three years without Kobe. They probably don't get past the Spurs.

[zoom17]

Laker fans would be in for a rude awakening watching kobe replace lebron on this heat team. They barely win with bronzy and somehow they will dominate with an obvious downgrade? It doesnt make sense

:oldlol:

[red1]

I dont mean downgrade talent wise I mean downgrade in the context of what the team needs. Just for the sake of simplicity lebron is another big for the roster while kobe is another shooter of which they already have many

[Marchesk]

Laker fans would be in for a rude awakening watching kobe replace lebron on this heat team. They barely win with bronzy and somehow they will dominate with an obvious downgrade? It doesnt make sense

It's not an obvious downgrade if it's prime Kobe, doe.

[Marchesk]

I dont mean downgrade talent wise I mean downgrade in the context of what the team needs. Just for the sake of simplicity lebron is another big for the roster while kobe is another shooter of which they already have many

Ah well, maybe Bosh is freed up to do more?

[red1]

:oldlol:
am not trolling, just making a point

[aj1987]

Are we skipping the rounds against the Celtics and Bulls in '11, Pacers and Celtics in '12 and the Pacers in '12? If we are, Miami wins all 3 years. If not, Miami MIGHT win in '11.

Better question would be Wilt in place of LeBron. IMO, he would choke and the Heat lose all 3.

[zoom17]

You laker fans need to quit with the what ifs:oldlol:

[Marchesk]

Are we skipping the rounds against the Celtics and Bulls in '11, Pacers and Celtics in '12 and the Pacers in '12? If we are, Miami wins all 3 years. If not, Miami MIGHT win in '11.

No skipping.

[SavageMode]

People said the same thing about Lebron and Wade too. How exactly would they not coexist? You do know Wade won a championship without Lebron.
Exposed. Lebron is an all-around player. Kobe would just ballhog and chuck.
This is why Lebron will always be superior to his teams and overall 1-on-1 against Kobe.

Next.

[zoom17]

am not trolling, just making a point

No I agree with you

[Marchesk]

You laker fans need to quit with the what ifs:oldlol:

I'm a Thunder fan.

[Bandito]

You laker fans need to quit with the what ifs:oldlol:
What if you weren't a fggt?:roll:

[longtime lurker]

Laker fans would be in for a rude awakening watching kobe replace lebron on this heat team. They barely win with bronzy and somehow they will dominate with an obvious downgrade? It doesnt make sense

The whole make up of the team changes. Bosh is allowed to play PF and get some post ups and use his face up game. The Heat would actually be allowed to have more than 2 big men on the team. Prime Kobe ain't exactly a scrub and unless the East suddenly transforms into the West I don't see any team stopping them from getting to the finals.

[Mr. Jabbar]

What if you weren't a fggt?:roll:

:oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

What if you weren't a fggt?:roll:

Then he'd actually get pvssy and wouldn't spend all his time posting on a messageboard

[Lebron23]

http://wouldashoulda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/logo.png

[K Xerxes]

Then he'd actually get pvssy and wouldn't spend all his time posting on a messageboard

Says the guy with more posts per day?

[zoom17]

What if you weren't a fggt?:roll:

Real creative insults that what you laker stans are resorting to :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Says the guy with more posts per day?

I post during sex :confusedshrug:

[red1]

The whole make up of the team changes. Bosh is allowed to play PF and get some post ups and use his face up game. The Heat would actually be allowed to have more than 2 big men on the team. Prime Kobe ain't exactly a scrub and unless the East suddenly transforms into the West I don't see any team stopping them from getting to the finals.
but their glaring weakness is interior defense and rebounding, something that bron helps with with his rebounding and help defense. they would need to trade one of wade/kobe for a starting bigman because the team as currently built most likely isnt winning anything if you switch bron out

[zoom17]

Then he'd actually get pvssy and wouldn't spend all his time posting on a messageboard

Says the guy that has over six thousand posts you kobrick fans are getting a little heated:oldlol:

[Nash]

Is Kobe going to be their main playmaker, scorer, rebounder and defend PF's while subbing in at the 4 because Miami's front court is mediocre? Is he going to do all of those things? Lead the team in ppg, apg and rpg?

He would have zero. Miami are a very uniquely built team and the only way this team works is because Lebron is there filling in the gaps. How is Kobe going to win anything with a front court of Bosh, Juwan Howard, Haslem, Turiaf, Birdman, Ilgauskas, Dampier, Magloire?

Also, are we still acting as if 2012 Kobe didn't almost miss the whole damn playoff with guys like Nash, Gasol and Howard on his team?

Oh, and missing Bosh for a 1

[SavageMode]

Real creative insults that what you laker stans are resorting to :oldlol:
Just means they have no argument. It's just common fact that Lebron is superior to Kobe.

[aj1987]

No skipping.
They lose all 3. 2011 MIGHT be a possibility though. Wade and Bosh were both playing at a high level. It all comes down to whether Kobe can share the ball with Wade or not.

Better question would be Wilt in place of LeBron. IMO, he would choke (like he always did) and the Heat lose all 3.

[Bandito]

Says the guy that has over six thousand posts you kobrick fans are getting a little heatedoldlol:
You're on the way to do the same though...

[longtime lurker]

but their glaring weakness is interior defense and rebounding, something that bron helps with with his rebounding and help defense. they would need to trade one of wade/kobe for a starting bigman because the team as currently built most likely isnt winning anything if you switch bron out

Again the whole make up of the team would be different. With Kobe you don't necessarily need Mike Miller, Ray Allen, James Jones, Shane Battier, Norris Cole etc. You could get away with two of those guys not being on the roster. Hell you might even get away with playing Joel Anthony (forgot he was still alive).

[longtime lurker]

Says the guy that has over six thousand posts you kobrick fans are getting a little heated:oldlol:

I'm not heated just answered a question that was posed. Don't be mad at me cuz it was based on you.

[Bandito]

Just means they have no argument. It's just common fact that Lebron is superior to Kobe.
B1tch I know Lebron is better than Kobe. Kobe has been playing non stop since he was 18. It's been like 17 years. If Lebron wasn't better than him I'll be very surprised. In fact is a testament to his prowess that Kobe at this time in his career (17 YEARS) is still a top player in this league.




:kobe:

[zoom17]

You're on the way to do the same though...

Do I give a **** your you laker fans are staright up bitches resorting to personal attacks when things dont go your way:oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Do I give a **** your you laker fans are staright up bitches resorting to personal attacks when things dont go your way:oldlol:

You know this is a "what if" thread. There's many ways the answers could go.

[Marchesk]

Better question would be Wilt in place of LeBron. IMO, he would choke (like he always did) and the Heat lose all 3.

Now you've done it!

Like Wilt choked on that 68 win team that dealt a healthy Russell his only playoff series loss? Or that 33 win streak Lakers team that Lebron's team failed to top last season when he was crying about Heinrich tackling him?

Put Wilt on the Heat, and the Pacers are no threat. Bosh becomes an all-star again. And Wade turns back into the man on the perimeter. Only team who is threat is SA, and Wilt would eat Duncan alive.

[Bandito]

Do I give a **** your you laker fans are staright up bitches resorting to personal attacks when things dont go your way:oldlol:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114723/3273517-2071334561-81511.jpg

[zoom17]

I'm not heated just answered a question that was posed. Don't be mad at me cuz it was based on you.

Based on what you don't know shit all you do is talk out your ass and restort to attacking the poster just because he doesnt agree with you're insecure:oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Based on what you don't know shit all you do is talk out your ass and restort to attacking the poster just because he doesnt agree with you your insecure:oldlol:

Step YOUR grammar up. Again I didn't throw out the personal attacked just answered a question. You need an E-hug?

[zoom17]

Step YOUR grammar up. Again I didn't throw out the personal attacked just answered a question. You need an E-hug?

Bullshit its funny because you actually spend way more time on ISH then me so I don't know why you talking shit:oldlol:

[SavageMode]

Bullshit its funny because you actually spend way more time on ISH then me so I don't know why you talking shit plus I didn't:oldlol:
Guy has over 6k posts :roll:
talk about no life

[zoom17]

Guy has over 6k posts :roll:
talk about no life

:oldlol:

[PJR]

The exceptional team synergy and chemistry that the current Miami Heat have would not exist with Kobe being apart of it. It would be an inferior product on and off the court.

[longtime lurker]

Bullshit its funny because you actually spend way more time on ISH then me so I don't know why you talking shit:oldlol:

Well it's obvious by the fact that you're easily frustrated that you're lacking in the vajayjay department.

[longtime lurker]

Guy has over 6k posts :roll:
talk about no life

This is funny coming from a troll alt account. All your posts are dedicated to one man. It would be pathetic if it wasn't for the fact that you're an alt account.

[zoom17]

Well it's obvious by the fact that you're easily frustrated that you're lacking in the vajayjay department.

:facepalm You need some serious help

[K Xerxes]

The exceptional team synergy and chemistry that the current Miami Heat have...

Absolutely not true. The Heat win in spite of poor synergy and chemistry. Notice how Wade and LeBron are more often of the time not involved in the same set when one is called. I'm amazed at how many times a game one stands in the corner while the other goes to work. This is not synergy - they are both very similar players (ball dominant) that aren't very good playing off the ball.

[Fudge]

:facepalm
You got fcking owned. Give it up boy. :oldlol:

[zoom17]

You got fcking owned. Give it up boy. :oldlol:

Hey I got owned by a guy who thinks he knows my personal life he has no idea:oldlol:

[PJR]

Absolutely not true. The Heat win in spite of poor synergy and chemistry. Notice how Wade and LeBron are more often of the time not involved in the same set when one is called. I'm amazed at how many times a game one stands in the corner while the other goes to work. This is not synergy - they are both very similar players (ball dominant) that aren't very good playing off the ball.

Ya, you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't 2010-11.

[Fudge]

Hey I got owned by a guy who thinks he knows my personal life he has no idea:oldlol:
Nah, you got owned. Just stop.

[zoom17]

Nah, you got owned. Just stop.

Worry about the dusty small town that will never win a ring:oldlol:

[Hoopz2332]

Absolutely not true. The Heat win in spite of poor synergy and chemistry. Notice how Wade and LeBron are more often of the time not involved in the same set when one is called. I'm amazed at how many times a game one stands in the corner while the other goes to work. This is not synergy - they are both very similar players (ball dominant) that aren't very good playing off the ball.


This isn't true at all. lebron and Wade have great chemistry...it only looks bad when noone can hit jumpers because it jams up the paint. Whe Wade is healthy he benefits from cutting off of lebron and lebron benefits from moving off of wade for spot ups where he was elite last season. Obviously they're godly together in the open floor.

[Fresh Kid]

2011- wins championship vs mavs
2012- wins championship vs thunder
2013- wins championship vs spurs.

[inclinerator]

i like kobe but he'd win one at best, the team is already small with bran, then u replace him with kobe, dont think kobe gonna average 10 rebs

[Marchesk]

i like kobe but he'd win one at best, the team is already small with bran, then u replace him with kobe, dont think kobe gonna average 10 rebs

Lebron doesn't average 10 either. He's no Larry Bird.

[aj1987]

Lebron doesn't average 10 either. He's no Larry Bird.


Sure, he ain't not Bird, but at least he didn't choke like Wilt in the Heat's b-2-b's.



http://i.imgur.com/UvfSo9d.png

[knicksman]

if kobe can win with less then theres no reason to think he cant win with more. In fact shaq<<<bosh and wade.

This comparison bet kobe and lebron is like jobs/bill gates. dumbass thinks gates is better because of money/stats but its really not close. apple owns windows and you know why?the other one loves the game while the other just play it for because of fame or in case of gates-money/power.

[inclinerator]

if kobe can win with less then theres no reason to think he cant win with more. In fact shaq<<<bosh and wade.

This comparison bet kobe and lebron is like jobs/bill gates. dumbass thinks gates is better because of money/stats but its really not close. apple owns windows and you know why?the other one loves the game while the other just play it for because of fame or in case of gates-money/power.
if wade and bosh>>> shaq does that heat > 3 peat lakers?

[HiphopRelated]

Wade's not taking a backseat to Kobe...period

[Nash]

[QUOTE=Nash]Is Kobe going to be their main playmaker, scorer, rebounder and defend PF's while subbing in at the 4 because Miami's front court is mediocre? Is he going to do all of those things? Lead the team in ppg, apg and rpg?

He would have zero. Miami are a very uniquely built team and the only way this team works is because Lebron is there filling in the gaps. How is Kobe going to win anything with a front court of Bosh, Juwan Howard, Haslem, Turiaf, Birdman, Ilgauskas, Dampier, Magloire?

Also, are we still acting as if 2012 Kobe didn't almost miss the whole damn playoff with guys like Nash, Gasol and Howard on his team?

Oh, and missing Bosh for a 1

[knicksman]

if wade and bosh>>> shaq does that heat > 3 peat lakers?

kobe>>>>>>>lebron though

[PickernRoller]

We all know the mamba will bring 3 rings home guaranteed. Unspoiled rings. No asterisks.

Just a simple fact of life: Kobe > Lebron. Lebron's weak era rings are a disgrace to the sport. His fangirls can always disagree. We all know no sane legend respects Lebron, aside from PR.

Merry Christmas.

[Heavincent]

Do the 09 and 10 Lakers win with Lebron instead of Kobe?

Maybe, but I don't think so.

[PickernRoller]

Do the 09 and 10 Lakers win with Lebron instead of Kobe?

Definitely NOT.

Fixed for accuracy.

[Mr. Jabbar]

We all know the mamba will bring 3 rings home guaranteed. Unspoiled rings. No asterisks.

Just a simple fact of life: Kobe > Lebron. Lebron's weak era rings are a disgrace to the sport. His fangirls can always disagree. We all know no sane legend respects Lebron, aside from PR.

Merry Christmas.

merry christmas :applause:

[knicksman]

[QUOTE=Nash]Is Kobe going to be their main playmaker, scorer, rebounder and defend PF's while subbing in at the 4 because Miami's front court is mediocre? Is he going to do all of those things? Lead the team in ppg, apg and rpg?

He would have zero. Miami are a very uniquely built team and the only way this team works is because Lebron is there filling in the gaps. How is Kobe going to win anything with a front court of Bosh, Juwan Howard, Haslem, Turiaf, Birdman, Ilgauskas, Dampier, Magloire?

Also, are we still acting as if 2012 Kobe didn't almost miss the whole damn playoff with guys like Nash, Gasol and Howard on his team?

Oh, and missing Bosh for a 1

[PJR]

Hmm, interesting. Didn't he begrudgingly do it for LeBron? It wasn't exactly organic. Who are the players in history who Wade willingly, gladly takes a back seat to because the situation absolutely demands it?

One things for certain, Kobe would not be on that list. First of all, they play the same damn position. And second Kobe doesn't even have a larger impact on the game. When put in similar situations in their careers, they've yielded similar results.

In short, Kobe isn't LeBron.

[Trollsmasher]

I don't think they would even make the Finals once.

Let's not forget that Wade and Kobe are about as compatible as two fa**ots.

[PickernRoller]

Hmm, interesting. Didn't he begrudgingly do it for LeBron? It wasn't exactly organic. Who are the players in history who Wade willingly, gladly takes a back seat to because the situation absolutely demands it?

Totally wrong.

Fact: Wade took a backseat to Lebron cause the freak refused to show up in the 4th and help close out games.

Fact: The freak is an egoistical maniac and unskilled bum that lacks an off-the-ball game aka a mid-range game and got exposed.

Fact: The freak only knows one way to play -him ball-hogging the ball to barrel his way to the rim on a pick or jack an open 3......

Fact: It's a shame that my boys Wade and Bosh have to sacrifice their game so much for the glory-hunter that is Lebron. Not only was Lebron's mutiny in the 11' Finals one of the worst displays of cowardice in the history of the game but also one of the worst displays of narcissism by a sports player ever.

Fact: "Heat" fans, you know, the ones with Lebron's cawk in their mouth, unjustly bash Wade and Bosh all the time for the shortcomings of Lebron.

Fact: Weak era rings can't erase the truth. The freak doesn't belong............in the Top 10 All-time.

Merry Christmas.

[Random_Guy]

IMO the win in 2011 but lose the next two with prime kobe. It's not a knock on kobe, it's just the way the team is built. The team needs a player like lebron to grab boards, coordinate an offense, help out on D, basically someone that can do everything. Kobe has amazing offence ability and has shown great passing ability, but what often gets underrated is how much the heat relies on lebron's help defence to play their suffocating D. Kobe in his prime was a great man on man defender, but help defence has never been his strong suit.
Wade and Bron overlaps but work because lebron is such a good and willing passer, in my opinion kobe has all the tools to win all three, but his ego to score himself would not work in the heat system. and even if we exchange bron and kobe, heat's biggest problem, bigs still havent been addressed.

[SavageMode]

Totally wrong.

Fact: Wade took a backseat to Lebron cause the freak refused to show up in the 4th and help close out games.

Fact: The freak is an egoistical maniac and unskilled bum that lacks an off-the-ball game aka a mid-range game and got exposed.

Fact: The freak only knows one way to play -him ball-hogging the ball to barrel his way to the rim on a pick or jack an open 3......

Fact: It's a shame that my boys Wade and Bosh have to sacrifice their game so much for the glory-hunter that is Lebron. Not only was Lebron's mutiny in the 11' Finals one of the worst displays of cowardice in the history of the game but also one of the worst displays of narcissism by a sports player ever.

Fact: "Heat" fans, you know, the ones with Lebron's cawk in their mouth, unjustly bash Wade and Bosh all the time for the shortcomings of Lebron.

Fact: Weak era rings can't erase the truth. The freak doesn't belong............in the Top 10 All-time.

Merry Christmas.
Lebron already kicked Kobe out of the Top 10 bra.
Nope bra, it's Kobe stans bashing Pau Gasol, Nash, Howard to hide Kobe's shortcomings.

Next.

[K Xerxes]

Totally wrong.

Fact: Wade took a backseat to Lebron cause the freak refused to show up in the 4th and help close out games.

Fact: The freak is an egoistical maniac and unskilled bum that lacks an off-the-ball game aka a mid-range game and got exposed.

Fact: The freak only knows one way to play -him ball-hogging the ball to barrel his way to the rim on a pick or jack an open 3......

Fact: It's a shame that my boys Wade and Bosh have to sacrifice their game so much for the glory-hunter that is Lebron. Not only was Lebron's mutiny in the 11' Finals one of the worst displays of cowardice in the history of the game but also one of the worst displays of narcissism by a sports player ever.

Fact: "Heat" fans, you know, the ones with Lebron's cawk in their mouth, unjustly bash Wade and Bosh all the time for the shortcomings of Lebron.

Fact: Weak era rings can't erase the truth. The freak doesn't belong............in the Top 10 All-time.

Merry Christmas.

Wow so much bitterness and vitriol. LeBron's success has cracked you, hasn't it?

[Solefade]

Totally wrong.

Fact: Wade took a backseat to Lebron cause the freak refused to show up in the 4th and help close out games.

Fact: The freak is an egoistical maniac and unskilled bum that lacks an off-the-ball game aka a mid-range game and got exposed.

Fact: The freak only knows one way to play -him ball-hogging the ball to barrel his way to the rim on a pick or jack an open 3......

Fact: It's a shame that my boys Wade and Bosh have to sacrifice their game so much for the glory-hunter that is Lebron. Not only was Lebron's mutiny in the 11' Finals one of the worst displays of cowardice in the history of the game but also one of the worst displays of narcissism by a sports player ever.

Fact: "Heat" fans, you know, the ones with Lebron's cawk in their mouth, unjustly bash Wade and Bosh all the time for the shortcomings of Lebron.

Fact: Weak era rings can't erase the truth. The freak doesn't belong............in the Top 10 All-time.

Merry Christmas.


pls don't kill yourself if LeBron wins again this year

[Rose'sACL]

kobe can't win with a poor rebounding team like miami. he would lose in 2011 against bulls, 2012 against celtics and 2013 against pacers.
This is why finals match-ups will probably not even matter.

[NumberSix]

2011: NO. He would lose to Chicago. If if he didn't, He already got embarrassed by that 2011 Mavs team.
2012: No. They don't get passed Boston.
2013: No. They don't beat Indiana.

0 finals appearances.

[PickernRoller]

Lebron already kicked Kobe out of the Top 10 bra.
Nope bra, it's Kobe stans bashing Pau Gasol, Nash, Howard to hide Kobe's shortcomings.


Your team getting swept in the first round after sacrificing an Achilles to get them there is definitely NOT a shortcoming. If anything, it was Kobe's body the shortcoming to greatness, not his mind.

Facts: Having a washup Ray Allen sink a 3 to give yourself a chance in a game 7 after bricking your own 3, turning the ball over multiple times etc is a shortcoming.

Fact: Failing to close out the Ancient, on wheelchair Spurs in 4 or 5 while in you prime is a shortcoming.

Fact: Getting swept in 4 games in 07 on what is arguably one of the worst if not the worst Finals performance of all time is a shortcoming.

Fact: Throwing your team down under by failing to show up in the 4th being too scared to jack a mid range jumpshot in the 11' Finals is a shortcoming.

Fact: Bailing on the Cavs, the city and the loving fans after promising a ring and being the Top seed for almost 3 consecutive years in the weak @ss East is a shortcoming.

Next.

[PickernRoller]

Wow so much bitterness and vitriol. LeBron's success has cracked you, hasn't it?

Nah I don't spend my time opening my butt to his d1ck. You should check your crack tho :roll:

[Fudge]

Kobe stans - 3

LeBron stans - 0

[mehyaM24]

Please. Lebron didn't have the luxury of being drafted to a team with Shaq.

As for Kobe? No one has been more carried than this clown. Kobe has bricked more shots than nearly everybody in history. Guy averaged 15.6 ppg on .367% in the 2000 finals....including a legendary 4-20 in game 5 (:oldlol: at his 8-27 shooting display in the clincher). The funniest thing about that, it isn't even the worst fg% in a title clincher...6-24 is. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Please. Lebron didn't have the luxury of being drafted to a team with Shaq.

As for Kobe? No one has been more carried than this clown. Kobe has bricked more shots than nearly everybody in history. Guy averaged 15.6 ppg on .367% in the 2000 finals....including a legendary 4-20 in game 5 (:oldlol: at his 8-27 shooting display in the clincher). The funniest thing about that, it isn't even the worst fg% in a title clincher...6-24 is. :oldlol:
http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[SamuraiSWISH]

Prime Kobe (2006 - 2008) for Prime LeBron (2011 - 2013)?

2011: Yes.
2012: No. Lose to Boston
2013: Yes.

2/3 for prime Kobe under similar circumstances as Miami LeBron.

LeBron's most impressive playoff run, and Finals is 2012. Clearly. Bosh was hurt, LeBron carried them in many circumstances. All around level of play in addition to great scoring.

2011 Wade performed just as well as him, and he had an atrocious Finals. 2013 he had below average run in the playoffs, on a stacked team, v.s. terrible competition. In the 2013 Finals he was barely average thanks to his game 7 performance, Kobe exploits that 2013 Spurs the way he did a superior version in 2008.

[NumberSix]

Prime Kobe (2006 - 2008) for Prime LeBron (2011 - 2013)?

2011: Yes.
2012: No. Lose to Boston
2013: Yes.

2/3 for prime Kobe under similar circumstances as Miami LeBron.

LeBron's most impressive playoff run, and Finals is 2012. Clearly. Bosh was hurt, LeBron carried them in many circumstances. All around level of play in addition to great scoring.

2011 Wade performed just as well as him, and he had an atrocious Finals. 2013 he had below average run in the playoffs, on a stacked team, v.s. terrible competition. In the 2013 Finals he was barely average thanks to his game 7 performance, Kobe exploits that 2013 Spurs the way he did a superior version in 2008.
Kobe doesn't make the finals in 2011 or 2013. He loses to the 2011 Bulls and to the 2013 Pacers. Maybe doesn't even make it past Boston to play the Bulls.

[AintNoSunshine]

Considering Kobe is a liability on defense let alone being the defensive anchor that Lebron is

And a chucker on offense who is turnover prone and can't facilitate quite like Lebron

And can't help much on rebounding that Heat's small frontcourt severely lacks

Definitely no rings, 1 finals appearance AT MOST

[Bandito]

Going by some people Kobe most be worse than Thabeet.

[Replay32]

Considering Kobe is a liability on defense let alone being the defensive anchor that Lebron is

And a chucker on offense who is turnover prone and can't facilitate quite like Lebron

And can't help much on rebounding that Heat's small frontcourt severely lacks

Definitely no rings, 1 finals appearance AT MOST

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[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe doesn't make the finals in 2011 or 2013. He loses to the 2011 Bulls and to the 2013 Pacers. Maybe doesn't even make it past Boston to play the Bulls.
I mean in general Kobe does struggle with more physical, gritty Eastern Conference defenses, his Finals stats are proof of this consistently. But no ... I think Kobe could provide enough to beat both Chicago, and Indiana. Chicago had Keith Bogans at SG, and Indiana had Lance Stephenson. Kobe would feast. We're talking PRIME Kobe here, not post 2010 rapid decline Kobe.

[NumberSix]

I mean in general Kobe does struggle with more physical, gritty Eastern Conference defenses, his Finals stats are proof of this consistently. But no ... I think Kobe could provide enough to beat both Chicago, and Indiana. Chicago had Keith Bogans at SG, and Indiana had Lance Stephenson. Kobe would feast. We're talking PRIME Kobe here, not post 2010 rapid decline Kobe.
But Kobe wouldn't be playing SG, Wade would. He'd be replacing LeBron who was switching between SF and PF. Kobe simply is not able to fill that role.

[SamuraiSWISH]

But Kobe wouldn't be playing SG, Wade would. He'd be replacing LeBron who was switching between SF and PF. Kobe simply is not able to fill that role.
No, go guard for guard back court of Wade / Kobe.

[NumberSix]

No, go guard for guard back court of Wade / Kobe.
Who plays SF? Mike Bibby? James Jones?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Who plays SF? Mike Bibby? James Jones?
Shane Battier was on the 2012, and 2013 Heat. He could fit that role perfectly. Mike Miller came through in spades. Basically anyone who can stretch the floor. Let's not act like Kobe and Wade together wouldn't wreak havoc even if not being exact chemistry fits. Neither was LeBron and Wade. Prime Kobe would win 2 or 3 rings with the kind of talent on those Heat teams and the competition they face. I only see them struggling with 2012 Celtics, and possibly 2013 Indiana due to rebounding issues. That's it. But I think Kobe could do some binge scoring against weak guards v.s. Indiana that no one on Miami was exploiting.

[NumberSix]

Shane Battier was on the 2012, and 2013 Heat. He could fit that role perfectly. Mike Miller came through in spades. Basically anyone who can stretch the floor. Let's not act like Kobe and Wade together wouldn't wreak havoc even if not being exact chemistry fits. Neither was LeBron and Wade. Prime Kobe would win 2 or 3 rings with the kind of talent on those Heat teams and the competition they face. I only see them struggling with 2012 Celtics, and possibly 2013 Indiana due to rebounding issues. That's it. But I think Kobe could do some binge scoring against weak guards v.s. Indiana that no one on Miami was exploiting.
2011?

[SamuraiSWISH]

2011?
The Heat lost in 2011 because LeBron was casper in the Finals. Didn't matter who also played SF for them.

They beat the Bulls because they were regular season over achievers who had no playmaker outside of Derrick Rose, and the Heat zoned up on him with quality defenders / athletes. They smashed the Bulls, 4 games to 1.

I don't think much is changing by simply swapping out Kobe for LeBron. LeBron's defense on Rose to end games? Kobe is a superior man defender than LeBron, so that's no problem at all.

Prime Kobe's providing what the Heat lacked in the Finals against the Mavericks. That's 25 - 30 ppg / 5 - 7 rebounds / 5 - 7 assists.

[NumberSix]

The Heat lost in 2011 because LeBron was casper in the Finals. Didn't matter who also played SF for them.

They beat the Bulls because they were regular season over achievers who had no playmaker outside of Derrick Rose, and the Heat zoned up on him with quality defenders / athletes. They smashed the Bulls, 4 games to 1.

I don't think much is changing by simply swapping out Kobe for LeBron. LeBron's defense on Rose to end games? Kobe is a superior man defender than LeBron, so that's no problem at all.

Prime Kobe's providing what the Heat lacked in the Finals against the Mavericks. That's 25 - 30 ppg / 5 - 7 rebounds / 5 - 7 assists.
Kobe is LITERALLY the most overrated defender in NBA history. The gambles he takes will have a speedy guy like Rose leaving him in a dust cloud.

[chazzy]

Kobe is LITERALLY the most overrated defender in NBA history. The gambles he takes will have a speedy guy like Rose leaving him in a dust cloud.
Kobe's weakness is cheating off of shooters, not defending ball handlers

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe is LITERALLY the most overrated defender in NBA history. The gambles he takes will have a speedy guy like Rose leaving him in a dust cloud.
Umm, Kobe is lazy off the ball. He cheats. Doesn't close out on shooters, isn't much for weak side help or blocking shots on big men.

But Kobe, especially motivated Kobe is an AMAZING on ball defender. Tenacious actually. Kobe's locked up Westbrook, Rondo, done damage harassing Chris Paul throwing him off his game in the playoffs.

He locked up Kyrie Irving last year at an advanced age, well past his prime. And we all know what he did to the King in the All Star Game.

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/photo.jpg

[Mr. Jabbar]

Umm, Kobe is lazy off the ball. He cheats. Doesn't close out on shooters, isn't much for weak side help or blocking shots on big men.

But Kobe, especially motivated Kobe is an AMAZING on ball defender. Tenacious actually. Kobe's locked up Westbrook, Rondo, done damage harassing Chris Paul throwing him off his game in the playoffs.

He locked up Kyrie Irving last year at an advanced age, well past his prime. And we all know what he did to the King in the All Star Game.

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/photo.jpg

kobe risking to lose an eye if that headband pops out :bowdown:

[SamuraiSWISH]

This has to be the more over used pic on this site yes it was a good block but at the end of the day its just a allstar game
LeBron takes All Star Games seriously. As does any competitor. Damn near cried after the 2012 come back where they came up short.

Don't be upset doe. Kobe's 2x blocks on LeBron happened. All Star Games are competitive, especially mano y mano situations between the best players in the game. Specifically that series of events where Kobe locked him up.

LeBron just never got him back good. He ceded alphaness to Kobe after those possessions. Kobe shook him on a play in their regular season game in Miami. Dunked on him in their matchup in LA, too.

Kobe's probably the 2nd best 1 on 1 player ever though, both sides of the ball, so it's nothing to be ashamed about for LeBron.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA3y-etCEAEk9UU.jpg:large

[Mr. Jabbar]

LeBron takes All Star Games seriously. As does any competitor. Damn near cried after the 2012 come back where they came up short.

Don't be upset doe. Kobe's 2x blocks on LeBron happened. All Star Games are competitive, especially mano y mano situations between the best players in the game. Specifically that series of events where Kobe locked him up.

LeBron just never got him back good. He ceded alphaness to Kobe after those possessions. Kobe shook him on a play in their regular season game in Miami. Dunked on him in their matchup in LA, too.

Kobe's probably the 2nd best 1 on 1 player ever though, both sides of the ball, so it's nothing to be ashamed about for LeBron.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BA3y-etCEAEk9UU.jpg:large

prime bran vs decline kobe is a fair matchup and kobe won

[tpols]

Kobe is LITERALLY the most overrated defender in NBA history. The gambles he takes will have a speedy guy like Rose leaving him in a dust cloud.
Um.. you do realize that the Lakers in 2010 put Kobe on both Westbrook and Rondo and it was successful right?

Old Kobe with a broken down knee was given those assignments because he is a very good man defender and knew how to shade them correctly so that they would be left with one option.. jumpers. Which they werent great at. Neither was/is Rose. And both 2010 rondo and WB were blazing fast.

[Magic 32]

As for Kobe? No one has been more carried than this clown. Kobe has bricked more shots than nearly everybody in history. Guy averaged 15.6 ppg on .367% in the 2000 finals....including a legendary 4-20 in game 5 (:oldlol: at his 8-27 shooting display in the clincher).

http://www.thedisabledlist.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ankle-ligaments-sprains.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tlum-sbkw

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lebron-flop-3.gif

[SamuraiSWISH]

Sure 13-6:pimp:
6 of those 13 wins came on the cowardly stacked Heat roster, post 2010 when Kobe was well past his prime ... and Pau Gasol reverted to Paula Gasoft due to Shannon Brown banging his fiance.

Be fair about the head to head record when taking teams, context into account.

In the all star game when it was just two competitive ballers going at it, in ISO situations, an ancient Kobe locked up a prime of his life LeBron. It's only being real about the context of things.

[Mr. Jabbar]

6 of those 13 wins came on the cowardly stacked Heat roster, post 2010 when Kobe was well past his prime ... and Pau Gasol reverted to Paula Gasoft due to Shannon Brown banging his fiance.

Be fair about the head to head record when taking teams, context into account.

In the all star game when it was just two competitive ballers going at it, in ISO situations, an ancient Kobe locked up a prime of his life LeBron. It's only being real about the context of things.

:applause: this right here, not only kobe shut down bran, he even taunted him to go for the last shot, only to watch a hot potato fly across the court a minute later

[Magic 32]

Your nitpicking again what about the Cleveland years were lebron had the inferior team and still won the majority of the time nope you skip to when he is a Heat:oldlol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UULn_VeWUA