Brook Lopez is going to DOMINATE the league this season.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Brook Lopez scored 15 points in 12 minutes of action last game. 8 of his points were from uncontested dunks and a shot. He is going to get 8-12 points a game from wide-open looks because his four starter teammates command so much attention. Here are some quotes from KG, AK, and his last opponent, Nene.

KG:
"I'm just in awe a little bit, just being honest with everybody. His skill level is impressive and I haven't been around a skill level like that versus playing [against one] I don't think ever. So, this is an adjustment for me. I'm just making sure I'm keying in on that and making sure the two of us is on the same page"

AK:
"He is tremendous, He was so efficient. Other than scoring points, he's such a great presence inside. He puts so much pressure [on the defense], so it creates a lot of opportunities for the wings. Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce had a great time slashing in and out because Brook was putting so much pressure on inside".

Nene
"[I]You seen Lopez? It seems like Reggie been teaching Lopez to hold people on the block, it

[CavaliersFTW]

He might improve, but he will not 'DOMINATE' in all caps. IMO that term is reserved for the production and physical prowess of a Shaq, Wilt, Kareem level player.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He couldn't even dominate a crippled Noah

[DaSeba5]

Dominate is a strong word. I highly doubt it. He'll be pretty good though.

[Doranku]

And when he has 12/5 on 4-11 shooting in the season opener, you'll be making a thread demanding that he be traded.

[Spaulding]

I remember a thread like this last year.

[It's A VC3!!!]

And when he has 12/5 on 4-11 shooting in the season opener, you'll be making a thread demanding that he be traded.
Let's hope not.:lol

I've learned to be more patient with Brook because I accept his strengths and weaknesses. Last year I was furious when he didn't rebound because I know he can rebound the ball. He averaged nearly 9 rebounds per game in his second season. I'll still get mad at him buy KG's influence is helping Brook a lot.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Good player but he's not going to dominate.

[tpols]

Maybe KG and reggie really are toughing him up.. if so this team will be like pacers on roids

[It's A VC3!!!]

Maybe KG and reggie really are toughing him up.. if so this team will be like pacers on roids

Did you see those ridiculous open looks he got all game long? He's going to get that every game of the season because of the stacked starting 5. Last year Evans and Gerald clogged the paint and Brook had no operating space. This year he is all down there by himself while the other four defenders are guarding their man.

[tontoz]

Or maybe he got easy looks because teams loaf on defense in preseason.

[tpols]

Did you see those ridiculous open looks he got all game long? He's going to get that every game of the season because of the stacked starting 5. Last year Evans and Gerald clogged the paint and Brook had no operating space. This year he is all down there by himself while the other four defenders are guarding their man.
I missed the game dude.. generally dont watch preseason bball.

Yea last year was terrible with the spacing of evans.. although I remember him winning nets a few games with straight hustle. Still wasnt worth the spacing.:oldlol:

[It's A VC3!!!]

Or maybe he got easy looks because teams loaf on defense in preseason.
90% of the NBA loafs around on defense in the regular season too... And your wizards are one of those teams. There are very few good defensive teams in our league... I'm not worried about that.

[RagaZ]

Heat fans: :rant

[tontoz]

90% of the NBA loafs around on defense in the regular season too... And your wizards are one of those teams. There are very few good defensive teams in our league... I'm not worried about that.


The Wizards were 5th in DRTG last season. They held the Nets under 80 points twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tsl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=team_totals&lg_id=NBA&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&franch_id=&c1stat=def_rtg&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=wins

I see ignorance is your forte.

[SilkkTheShocker]

He might improve, but he will not 'DOMINATE' in all caps. IMO that term is reserved for the production and physical prowess of a Shaq, Wilt, Kareem level player.

No one cares about Wolt dominating 6'7 centers, brah.

[It's A VC3!!!]

The Wizards were 5th in DRTG last season. They held the Nets under 80 points twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tsl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=team_totals&lg_id=NBA&year_min=2013&year_max=2013&franch_id=&c1stat=def_rtg&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=wins

I see ignorance is your forte.
Wow.. Very impressive by the wizards. I did not know that.:applause: :applause:

[niko]

Didn't he not get any rebounds? How exactly does a center who doesn't rebound dominate?

Brook Lopez is going to be very good this year, ok. Dominate? Brook Lopez? Really?

[It's A VC3!!!]

Didn't he not get any rebounds? How exactly does a center who doesn't rebound dominate?

Brook Lopez is going to be very good this year, ok. Dominate? Brook Lopez? Really?
By killing the opposing big man and shredding the front court of the opposing team

[niko]

By killing the opposing big man and shredding the front court of the opposing team
Which he hasn't shown anything that would suggest he'd do it night in and night out to the point he'd be dominating. Add to that the fact he needs to learn to play with new teammates, is coming off foot surgery and has more people to spread the ball around to, and i don't see it. More efficient maybe, but more than likely his stats go down.

Also i don't see how a center who is ok defensively and doesn't rebound well is going to dominate.

Is it the word that's confusing you? Dominate doesn't mean you are good and slightly improve.

[dr.hee]

Brook Lopez scored 15 points in 12 minutes of action last game. 8 of his points were from uncontested dunks and a shot. He is going to get 8-12 points a game from wide-open looks because his four starter teammates command so much attention.

Okay, but this is not


killing the opposing big man and shredding the front court of the opposing team

More open looks? Maybe. But you've made your case for Lopez "dominating" the league by pointing to open uncontested shots he'll get because of better teammates than last year, instead of showing why you think that Lopez is a significantly better individual player this year. All you've done is telling us that Lopez will get good looks because opponents have to pay attention to the four other players on the court. How does that point towards Lopez "dominating" anybody individually?

:confusedshrug:

[DuMa]

bookmarked

[qrich]

And Eric Bledse will be DPoY and DeAndre Jordan will win MIP.

Sure, Brook will have a solid season, but dominate? I just don't see anything near that.

[Meticode]

Is there any articles or talk of his off-season work he did?

[niko]

Is there any articles or talk of his off-season work he did?
His foot had to have it's screws (to support the weight) reset so he spent two months off his feet. I doubt much.

[Meticode]

His foot had to have it's screws (to support the weight) reset so he spent two months off his feet. I doubt much.
And people expect him to be better with the addition of Pierce and Garnett getting more touches?

[I<3NBA]

the only thing Brook Lopez will dominate is your sleep, as he gives you nightmares of his sloppy defense.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Is there any articles or talk of his off-season work he did?
He did gain 15 pounds. Even Nene said "Brook is too strong for me". Brook and Reggie worked together in the off-season and I thought Brook could adopt some of Reggie's rebounding tenacity. I was wrong.:lol

But the extra weight Brook put on should help him in the post tremendously.

[Greg Oden 50]

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Brook Lopez scored 15 points in 12 minutes of action last game. 8 of his points were from uncontested dunks and a shot. He is going to get 8-12 points a game from wide-open looks because his four starter teammates command so much attention. Here are some quotes from KG, AK, and his last opponent, Nene.

KG:
"I'm just in awe a little bit, just being honest with everybody. His skill level is impressive and I haven't been around a skill level like that versus playing [against one] I don't think ever. So, this is an adjustment for me. I'm just making sure I'm keying in on that and making sure the two of us is on the same page"

AK:
"He is tremendous, He was so efficient. Other than scoring points, he's such a great presence inside. He puts so much pressure [on the defense], so it creates a lot of opportunities for the wings. Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce had a great time slashing in and out because Brook was putting so much pressure on inside".

Nene
"[I]You seen Lopez? It seems like Reggie been teaching Lopez to hold people on the block, it

[tpols]

bookmarked
Whats the point? If he does well or better you wont bump it anyways..


And people expect him to be better with the addition of Pierce and Garnett getting more touches?
Compared to last year when defenders would double him down low and leave reggie evans wide open?

[rhythmic]

He did gain 15 pounds. Even Nene said "Brook is too strong for me". Brook and Reggie worked together in the off-season and I thought Brook could adopt some of Reggie's rebounding tenacity. I was wrong.:lol

But the extra weight Brook put on should help him in the post tremendously.

Define "dominate".
I mean, I could see Lopez dropping 17/9 this season. He's sharing the ball with 4 pretty good players so I doubt his production will look abnormally high this season for his standards. I think he'll have a very efficient season though. If you mean by dominating he'll be a top 10 player, then you're just in denial.

He won't be better (or more valuable) than Howard, M. Gasol or Noah. Maybe not even Tim Duncan...

[It's A VC3!!!]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[Meticode]

He did gain 15 pounds. Even Nene said "Brook is too strong for me". Brook and Reggie worked together in the off-season and I thought Brook could adopt some of Reggie's rebounding tenacity. I was wrong.:lol

But the extra weight Brook put on should help him in the post tremendously.
Wouldn't that extra weight effect his foot though?

[outbreak]

On the flip side won't he be seeing less of the ball?

[ChuckOakley]

For a big man he will.. offensively.

He was the #1 scoring Center last year and the #1 scoring PF or C for the playoffs. He was also #1 in points in the paint

He will get better looks this season and being up to 290 pounds will help him get closer to the basket and not settle for points outside the paint.

As for rebounds.. people expose their rudimentary knowledge of the game all the time when this is brought up.

Team rebounding is what matters, not individual stats.
The Nets were top 3 in rebound differential and #2 in rebound % last year.
-They out-rebound the Wizards even though he had 0
-Every year Lopez has been health (4 of 5 season) they are better on the board with him in on the court, than off.

Why?
He's massive.
He boxes out extremely well.


If he wasn't a 7'1" 290 beast with foot worries and stamina concerns and could play 38mpg he would average 25ppg+.

[niko]

Someone has to explain to me how with his stress issues continuing (the weight bearing screws that were supposed to prevent further issues bent) gaining weight was a good idea.

[G-train]

Heat fans: :rant

Why?

[DaSeba5]

Why?

He's just looking for attention from us

[It's A VC3!!!]

Wouldn't that extra weight effect his foot though?
definitely. that's a concern that i have. it's going to impact his foot but also increase his level of play. he was healthy last year. hopefully that trend continues again this season too.

[andremiller07]

The 17 points per game prediction is too low. I think 20-23. He's going to get 10 points a game from uncontested dunks alone. 5 from free throws. 2 from a jump shot and another 4-6 from post up moves.

And his rebounding is going to be 5-7 a game. Sad but true.
I don't see how making open dunks/lay ups is dominating tbh that's more a result of great team/pg play

[It's A VC3!!!]

For a big man he will.. offensively.

He was the #1 scoring Center last year and the #1 scoring PF or C for the playoffs. He was also #1 in points in the paint

He will get better looks this season and being up to 290 pounds will help him get closer to the basket and not settle for points outside the paint.

As for rebounds.. people expose their rudimentary knowledge of the game all the time when this is brought up.

Team rebounding is what matters, not individual stats.
The Nets were top 3 in rebound differential and #2 in rebound % last year.
-They out-rebound the Wizards even though he had 0
-Every year Lopez has been health (4 of 5 season) they are better on the board with him in on the court, than off.

Why?
He's massive.
He boxes out extremely well.


If he wasn't a 7'1" 290 beast with foot worries and stamina concerns and could play 38mpg he would average 25ppg+.

I agree with the team rebounding philosophy but Brook cannot be having a zero rebound game. That's pathetic. He might average five rebounds per game and that's fine as long as we remain a top rebounding team. My number one focus is for Brook to be a defensive specialist with KG taking him under his wing. Brook is solid defensively. We held the Wizards to under 40% shooting. That doesn't say much because third stringers played a lot but Brook could and should be a great defensive player next season.

[ChuckOakley]

I don't see how making open dunks/lay ups is dominating tbh that's more a result of great team/pg play
Because most players don't have the ability to get open or bully through players to get open.

He also has been top 10 in dunks twice before (with Harris and on a 12 win team.. that's not great team/pg player nor was D.Will or the rest of the team that impressive getting him the ball last year), this wouldn't be a new thing for him. He will just get more of them with the passing around him.

Meanwhile if it were so easy, why don't others score like he does?

[G-train]

Someone has to explain to me how with his stress issues continuing (the weight bearing screws that were supposed to prevent further issues bent) gaining weight was a good idea.

If anything Lopez should have slimmed down while increasing strength.
The NBA demands too much over the season/playoffs to be heavy now - see Duncan and Love.

[ChuckOakley]

I agree with the team rebounding philosophy but Brook cannot be having a zero rebound game. That's pathetic. He might average five rebounds per game and that's fine as long as we remain a top rebounding team. My number one focus is for Brook to be a defensive specialist with KG taking him under his wing. Brook is solid defensively. We held the Wizards to under 40% shooting. That doesn't say much because third stringers played a lot but Brook could and should be a great defensive player next season.
You play to your strengths.
He will never be a defensive specialist, so you build around him accordingly.

He is the best offensive low post player in the NBA.
Roll with that....Anything else is gravy.

[andremiller07]

Because most players don't have the ability to get open or bully through players to get open.

He also has been top 10 in dunks twice before, this wouldn't be a new thing for him. He will just get more of them with the passing around him.

Meanwhile if it were so easy, why don't others score like he does?
Brook is a excellent player/scorer no doubt but my point is I don't consider that dominating which is what OP was saying. Brook plays to his strengths which is great he will have a good season but won't dominate. He's an elite big man no doubt

[It's A VC3!!!]

I don't see how making open dunks/lay ups is dominating tbh that's more a result of great team/pg play
People are really scrutinizing my term "dominating". I mean he will dominate simply from the perspective that he will lead all centers in scoring for the second straight year. Though this time he will average 23 PPG. The last time a center averaged 23 PPG? Shaq.


Lopez won't "dominate" next season. He'll have a few 40 point game next season but next season will be the best of his career.

[G-train]

I agree with the team rebounding philosophy but Brook cannot be having a zero rebound game. That's pathetic. He might average five rebounds per game and that's fine as long as we remain a top rebounding team. My number one focus is for Brook to be a defensive specialist with KG taking him under his wing. Brook is solid defensively. We held the Wizards to under 40% shooting. That doesn't say much because third stringers played a lot but Brook could and should be a great defensive player next season.

When Evans isn't on the court they were a terrible rebounding team last season.
There is going to be a lot of responsibility on Garnett's 37 year old shoulders, particularly in the playoffs.

[Meticode]

When it's all said and done I do want Brooklyn to do well and push hard in the playoffs. The only worthy teams the last two years have been the Pacers and Heat battling it out. Hopefully the Nets and Chicago can get in the mix.

[ChuckOakley]

When Evans isn't on the court they were a terrible rebounding team last season.
There is going to be a lot of responsibility on Garnett's 37 year old shoulders, particularly in the playoffs.
No they weren't.
That supposed stat was never backed up and from what I could tell was not true.

Evans only played 24 mpg last year.
You can't tell me they were terrible for 24 minutes, yet were elite overall for 48 minutes.


http://www.82games.com/1213/12BKN13.HTM
When Evans was off the court they still grabbed over 50% of all rebounds. (50.2%)
Meaning they were above average (barely)

[G-train]

People are really scrutinizing my term "dominating". I mean he will dominate simply from the perspective that he will lead all centers in scoring for the second straight year. Though this time he will average 23 PPG. The last time a center averaged 23 PPG? Shaq.

Dwight 22.9 in 2011.
Yao 2007
Shaq was 2003

Off top of my head.

Stoudemire and Duncan basically played center while scoring big too.

[andremiller07]

People are really scrutinizing my term "dominating". I mean he will dominate simply from the perspective that he will lead all centers in scoring for the second straight year. Though this time he will average 23 PPG. The last time a center averaged 23 PPG? Shaq.


Lopez won't "dominate" next season. He'll have a few 40 point game next season but next season will be the best of his career.
O ok I agree with that than

[It's A VC3!!!]

When Evans isn't on the court they were a terrible rebounding team last season.
There is going to be a lot of responsibility on Garnett's 37 year old shoulders, particularly in the playoffs.
KG thrived in the playoffs last year. He averaged 14 RPG in the series against the Knicks. I understand your concern though. I think that KG will be up for it. It's shocking to say this but KG turns his intensity up to another notch in the playoffs.


On a side note: The new NBA.com stats layout is ugly,shitty and annoying to navigate.

[G-train]

No they weren't.
That supposed stat was never backed up and from what I could tell was not true.

Evans only played 24 mpg last year.
You can't tell me they were terrible for 24 minutes, yet were elite overall for 48 minutes.


http://www.82games.com/1213/12BKN13.HTM
When Evans was off the court they still grabbed over 50% of all rebounds. (50.2%)
Meaning they were above average (barely)

I can mention that when Evans had the 2nd highest rebound rate in NBA history.

[It's A VC3!!!]

No they weren't.
That supposed stat was never backed up and from what I could tell was not true.

Evans only played 24 mpg last year.
You can't tell me they were terrible for 24 minutes, yet were elite overall for 48 minutes.


http://www.82games.com/1213/12BKN13.HTM
When Evans was off the court they still grabbed over 50% of all rebounds. (50.2%)
Meaning they were above average (barely)
Yeah but some glaring statistics. Reggie grabbed 74% of the Nets defensive rebounds and 35% of their offensive rebounds.

Our bench rebounding is going to be astounding. Our bench had 37 rebounds against the Wizards. Our core bench players combined for 16 rebounds. 21 if you include Mirza but I don't know his fate. Kevin had 7 rebounds in 12 minutes and Reggie had 7 rebounds in 18 minutes. I would LOVE to see those two on the court at the same time. Would make me happy.:cheers:

[ChuckOakley]

I can mention that when Evans had the 2nd highest rebound rate in NBA history.
???

You said:
"When Evans isn't on the court they were a terrible rebounding team last season."

That is false.

They grabbed 50.2% of available rebounds.
So if there were 100 rebounds each team would get 50.

That is terrible?
Being even with your opponents?
I didn't know the bar was set so high..

[G-train]

???

You said:
"When Evans isn't on the court they were a terrible rebounding team last season."

That is false.

They grabbed 50.2% of available rebounds.
So if there were 100 rebounds each team would get 50.

That is terrible?
Being even with your opponents?
I didn't know the bar was set so high..

I'm not sure that the stat is accurate. I need to investigate it further.
Initial investigations suggest that it's not, it's been inflated from different lineups in various points of the season.
One thing is 100% clear, Evans is their best rebounder and the second best is at Boston. Much will fall on KG, and I fear for Nets fans that he may tire.

[ChuckOakley]

I'm not sure that the stat is accurate. I need to investigate it further.
Initial investigations suggest that it's not.
Who's investigations?

The Nets out rebounded their opponents by 3.6 per game

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/rebounds-per-game/sort/avgReboundsDifference

If there were terrible without Reggie, they must have been far and away the best rebounding team (maybe in some time) if they could maintain that average with him only playing 24 mpg.

[ChuckOakley]

I'm not sure that the stat is accurate. I need to investigate it further.
Initial investigations suggest that it's not, it's been inflated from different lineups in various points of the season.
One thing is 100% clear, Evans is their best rebounder and the second best is at Boston. Much will fall on KG, and I fear for Nets fans that he may tire.
KG might tire.. but Evans is still there.
As are Blatche and AK.

That's the thing.. the Nets have so much size and depth at every position.

PG - D.Will 6'3", Livingston 6'7"
SG - JJ 6'7"
SF - PP 6'6" / AK - 6'10"
PF - KG 7'
C - Lopez - 7'1"/Blacthe 6'11"/Plumlee 6'11"

It's that size that helps.

[G-train]

Mine.

[HomieWeMajor]

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]Brook Lopez scored 15 points in 12 minutes of action last game. 8 of his points were from uncontested dunks and a shot. He is going to get 8-12 points a game from wide-open looks because his four starter teammates command so much attention. Here are some quotes from KG, AK, and his last opponent, Nene.

KG:
"I'm just in awe a little bit, just being honest with everybody. His skill level is impressive and I haven't been around a skill level like that versus playing [against one] I don't think ever. So, this is an adjustment for me. I'm just making sure I'm keying in on that and making sure the two of us is on the same page"

AK:
"He is tremendous, He was so efficient. Other than scoring points, he's such a great presence inside. He puts so much pressure [on the defense], so it creates a lot of opportunities for the wings. Joe Johnson and Paul Pierce had a great time slashing in and out because Brook was putting so much pressure on inside".

Nene
"[I]You seen Lopez? It seems like Reggie been teaching Lopez to hold people on the block, it

[jimmy77x]

:lol damn keep the bumps coming :roll: :roll: :roll:

[It's A VC3!!!]

:lol damn keep the bumps coming :roll: :roll: :roll:
I agree 100%. I love the attention and love threads that I forgot about being bumped. Keep them coming people!:cheers:

[dr.hee]

I love the attention

Why?

[Myth]

I agree 100%. I love the attention and love threads that I forgot about being bumped. Keep them coming people!:cheers:

You like attention that shows how terrible of a poster you are? Only on ISH :facepalm

[b1imtf]

You like attention that shows how terrible of a poster you are? Only on ISH :facepalm
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[niko]

If you read the (stupid) thread, Brook is actually dominating, as dominating means (for some reason) to be adequate at what you do.

[CelticBaller]

I agree 100%. I love the attention and love threads that I forgot about being bumped. Keep them coming people!:cheers:
Jeff change this guys user title for freaking Attention whore. Shit like this should be known

[gigantes]

lopez had his PT and his rhythm hosed by the injury. but he's still the nets' most efficient player and one of the best in the league, AFAIK.

if he hadn't had that injury, and the team around him wasn't such a disaster, i think it would be a pretty decent bet that he'd indeed be dominating this year.

making fun of OP's prediction is pretty pointless IMO, especially considering that lopez could still go on to have a dominating season... even if the nets never get much better.

[It's A VC3!!!]

You like attention that shows how terrible of a poster you are? Only on ISH :facepalm
What am I supposed to say? "I hate the attention, my feelings are being hurt". To be honest, I don't give a care in the world whether or not my threads get bumped. Nor do I care about anyones opinion on this board as it pertains to "how good/bad of a poster I am based on a statement that I made".

[brooklynsfinest]

This is how stacked the Nets are. The most dominate player in the league is hurt, and we got BETTER. Facts are facts.

:yaohappy:

[wang4three]

So I guess VC is the equivalent to konex for us Nets fans..

[brooklynsfinest]

So I guess VC is the equivalent to konex for us Nets fans..
Brook can't dominant if he's hurt.

[wang4three]

Brook can't dominant if he's hurt.

Yes, VC put a curse on him and our team.

[brooklynsfinest]

Yes, VC put a curse on him and our team.
Next man up. Blatche, Plum, KG, Evans, on and on.