players who won a championship as their teams leader in PPG and APG [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 04:44 PM

greatest pointguard/shooters all time

doesn't happen very often

Kobe Bryant

2001 championship ( tied with shaq for ppg, leader in apg )
2009 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
2010 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Larry Bird

1984 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
1986 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Lebron James

2012 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
2013 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Magic Johnson

1987 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Dwyane Wade

2006 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

John Havlicek

1974 championshup ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Rick Barry

1975 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

isiah thomas

1990 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

surprisingly jordan never did it on a championship team

pippen was the bulls team leader in assists by 1-2 more per game every single year

lord mamba doesn't pass though :rolleyes:

Fudge

10-03-2013, 04:49 PM

Kobe's a ballhog.

juju151111

10-03-2013, 04:52 PM

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 04:53 PM

Kobe's a ballhog.

i know eh.. jordans better at kobe in every aspect of the game. he played better with team mates.

yet jordans never lead a championship team in assists.. kobes done it 5 times

:oldlol:

Trollsmasher

10-03-2013, 04:54 PM

Shaq (2001) - 487 points, 28,7 ppg
Kobe (2001) - 471 points, 28,5 ppg

:confusedshrug:

SHAQisGOAT

10-03-2013, 04:56 PM

Jordan did that like 3 times in the Playoffs though and Kobe wasn't tied with Shaq in ppg, back in '01, Shaq scored 0.2 more (taking less shots and playing less minutes also).

Wtf is pointguard/shooters though? Dude like Bird didn't play the point and you got some there that aren't great shooters.

longtime lurker

10-03-2013, 04:56 PM

I have a hard time believing that Jordan's never done this.

Yao Ming's Foot

10-03-2013, 04:56 PM

Kobe's a ballhog.

indeed

22 away from most playoff assists from a non PG of All-Time.

1. Magic Johnson* 2346
2. John Stockton* 1839
3. Jason Kidd 1263
4. Larry Bird* 1062
5. Steve Nash 1061
6. Scottie Pippen* 1048
7. Kobe Bryant 1040
8. Michael Jordan* 1022

The JKidd Kid

10-03-2013, 04:57 PM

MJ still averaged more career assists than Kobe, even when you factor in his Washington days. Fail troll attempt.

juju151111

10-03-2013, 04:58 PM

Mj avged more in 91 I think. So he did do it.

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 04:59 PM

How many asts did Pip avg in 91 and what about MJ

1991 pippen 6.2

1991 jordan 5.5
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1992 pippen 7.0

1992 jordan 6.1
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1993 pippen 6.3

1993 jordan 5.5
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1996 pippen 5.9

1996 jordan 4.3
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1997 pippen 5.7

1997 jordan 4.3
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1998 pippen 5.8

1998 jordan 3.5 ( jordan won mvp with that :facepalm )

honestly... jordans never lead a title team in assists... hes #1 in league fgas like every single year he played basketball

kobe leads all 5 titles in assists and only leads in fga's like 3-4 times in 20 years

and people call kobe the hog

:lol

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:02 PM

1991 pippen 6.2

1991 jordan 5.5
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1992 pippen 7.0

1992 jordan 6.1
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1993 pippen 6.3

1993 jordan 5.5
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1996 pippen 5.9

1996 jordan 4.3
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1997 pippen 5.7

1997 jordan 4.3
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1998 pippen 5.8

1998 jordan 3.5 ( jordan won mvp with that :facepalm )

honestly... jordans never lead a title team in assists... hes #1 in league fgas like every single year he played basketball

kobe leads all 5 titles in assists and only leads in fga's like 3-4 times in 20 years

and people call kobe the hog

:lol
Oh I taught you were talking about playoffs my fault. Mj avged more then Pippen in the 91 playoffs.

SHAQisGOAT

10-03-2013, 05:03 PM

indeed

22 away from most playoff assists from a non PG of All-Time.

1. Magic Johnson* 2346
2. John Stockton* 1839
3. Jason Kidd 1263
4. Larry Bird* 1062
5. Steve Nash 1061
6. Scottie Pippen* 1048
7. Kobe Bryant 1040
8. Michael Jordan* 1022

He played more games than anyone there though. Bird with 56 less games and 22 more assists :oldlol:
Even if he's a SG he still handles the ball a whole ****ing lot.

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:04 PM

1991 pippen 6.2

1991 jordan 5.5
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1992 pippen 7.0

1992 jordan 6.1
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1993 pippen 6.3

1993 jordan 5.5
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1996 pippen 5.9

1996 jordan 4.3
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1997 pippen 5.7

1997 jordan 4.3
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1998 pippen 5.8

1998 jordan 3.5 ( jordan won mvp with that :facepalm )

honestly... jordans never lead a title team in assists... hes #1 in league fgas like every single year he played basketball

kobe leads all 5 titles in assists and only leads in fga's like 3-4 times in 20 years

and people call kobe the hog

:lol
Kobe played with a centers , while Mj played with a wing player. 98 Mj is better then most of Kobe seasons and Mj was 35 with a broken knuckle.

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:05 PM

He played more games than anyone there though. Bird with 56 less games and 22 more assists :oldlol:
Even if he's a SG he still handles the ball a whole ****ing lot.
Exactly lol.

Suguru101

10-03-2013, 05:06 PM

I thought you meant leading the team in apg and ppg in the Finals while winning... that is more meaningful than leading in the regular reason against bad defenses and when games don't matter that much.

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:07 PM

Kobe played with a centers , while Mj played with a wing player. 98 Mj is better then most of Kobe seasons and Mj was 35 with a broken knuckle.

98 mj is overrated... how anyone with a 3.5apg average as a guard could win league mvp is beyond me

Sakkreth

10-03-2013, 05:08 PM

They probably count Kobe's airballs as assists when it gets put back. Quite some of those.

Bobby13

10-03-2013, 05:10 PM

96-97 Playoffs

MJ: 29.6 PPG, 4.3 APG
Pip: 19.2 PPG, 3.8 APG

90-91 Finals

MJ: 31.2 PPG, 11.4 APG
Pip: 20.8 PPG, 6.6 APG

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:12 PM

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:13 PM

98 mj is overrated... how anyone with a 3.5apg average as a guard could win league mvp is beyond me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGuiu88Bwbs

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:16 PM

mj did it in a series here and there. but anything can happen in 4-7 games

its more telling of how the bulls played going based on the entire year

total up all 82 games and playoffs and pippen probably still has the lead in all 6 titles for apg
Mj led the Bulls in asts for the 91 playoffs. Mj avged 30 ppg on 55% with 11asts in the nba finals something Kobe will never do.

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGuiu88Bwbs

and yet his assists went down without pippen... go figure

you'd think he'd take over the passing load

KG215

10-03-2013, 05:20 PM

Since OP is picking nits elsewhere, Kobe didn't lead the Lakers in scoring in 2001...in the regular season or playoffs.

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:30 PM

Since OP is picking nits elsewhere, Kobe didn't lead the Lakers in scoring in 2001...in the regular season or playoffs.

ya if you wanna go the extra mile and say theres big enough a difference between 28.5 and 28.7 to say it wasnt co-lead

even in the playoffs they both averaged 29

but i think its way more nitpicky to say the last few games of the bulls 1991 title are more telling on the style of play than the first 95+ games

The Iron Fist

10-03-2013, 05:31 PM

riseagainst

10-03-2013, 05:32 PM

Kobe didnt lead the Lakers in ppg in 2001 in playoffs or regular season.
:confusedshrug:

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:32 PM

But when someone wins a regular season mvp, lol...

oh snap

caught another season mvp boaster in a playoff > season contradictory response

i always enjoy that

:lol

The Iron Fist

10-03-2013, 05:33 PM

Mj led the Bulls in asts for the 91 playoffs. Mj avged 30 ppg on 55% with 11asts in the nba finals something Kobe will never do.
Wait, so first you lames cry because Kobe uses moves like Jordan, but then discredit him when he doesn't win the exact same way? :biggums:

kennethgriffin

10-03-2013, 05:33 PM

Kobe didnt lead the Lakers in ppg in 2001 in playoffs or regular season.
:confusedshrug:

thats why i said he was co-leader with shaq

if you round the numbers out its even.. both either 28ppg or 28.5... neither guy had more than a 0.5 differential between them during regular season or playoffs.

they were separated by less than half a percentage point

but whatever its not like anyone else has more than 2 anyway. go ahead and take off 2001 and kobes still tied for the most titles in nba history as leading ppg/apg

losers :P

juju151111

10-03-2013, 05:35 PM

Wait, so first you lames cry because Kobe uses moves like Jordan, but then discredit him when he doesn't win the exact same way? :biggums:
I'm saying Kobe could never avg 11 asts in playoff series.

bdreason

10-03-2013, 05:35 PM

Post the FG%'s. Anyone can lead their team in PPG if they shoot enough.

aj1987

10-03-2013, 05:49 PM

even in the playoffs they both averaged 29

Kobe averaged 29.4 and Shaq averaged 30.4. So, Kobe did it only twice. The same as Lebron.

BTW, Lebron had the most points, assists, rebounds, and steals in '12 &'13.

The Iron Fist

10-03-2013, 07:00 PM

I'm saying Kobe could never avg 11 asts in playoff series.
Doesn't matter when he's a five time champion.

juju151111

10-03-2013, 07:05 PM

Doesn't matter when he's a five time champion.
Yea 3 sidekicks and 2 main ones. Talk to me when he gets 6 has the man along with 6 fmvp.

Rake2204

10-03-2013, 07:28 PM

MJ: 31.2 PPG, 11.4 APG
Good god almighty. 31 points and 11 assists per over the course of an entire NBA Finals series. On 56% shooting no less. And 7 rebounds. And 3 steals. And 1.4 blocks...

It's startling every time I see it.

GrapeApe

10-03-2013, 11:21 PM

BTW, Lebron had the most points, assists, rebounds, and steals in '12 &'13.

Incredible. I knew he accomplished that but it's still mind boggling to think about.

kennethgriffin

10-04-2013, 12:28 AM

would it interest people to know that kobe bryant won all 5 titles as his teams #1 assists/playmaker

and magic johnson didn't

( norm nixon averaged more assists in 1980 )

:lol

Kobe averaged 29.4 and Shaq averaged 30.4. So, Kobe did it only twice. The same as Lebron.

BTW, Lebron had the most points, assists, rebounds, and steals in '12 &'13.

i like how this nyucca says "only twice" when twice is the most anyones ever done it

kennethgriffin

10-04-2013, 12:35 AM

if kobe was listed at point guard he'd probably have gotten more credit for those first 3 titles

and he was their point guard

any time the best assist/play maker/point guard is also putting up 25-30ppg with 1st team all defense. he usually gets the nod as the main guy on the team

but because he was listed at SG nobody paid attention to his leading assist numbers

Fresh Kid

10-04-2013, 12:39 AM

greatest pointguard/shooters all time

doesn't happen very often

Kobe Bryant

2001 championship ( tied with shaq for ppg, leader in apg )
2009 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
2010 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Larry Bird

1984 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
1986 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Lebron James

*2012 asterisk championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )
*2013 asterisk championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Magic Johnson

1987 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Dwyane Wade

*2006 asterisk championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

John Havlicek

1974 championshup ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

Rick Barry

1975 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

isiah thomas

1990 championship ( leader in ppg, leader in apg )

surprisingly jordan never did it on a championship team

pippen was the bulls team leader in assists by 1-2 more per game every single year

lord mamba doesn't pass though :rolleyes:
FIXED:applause:

aj1987

10-04-2013, 12:40 AM

FIXED:applause:
I don't see any Knicks players on that list.

talamo

10-04-2013, 12:42 AM

I don't see any Knicks players on that list.

That's cold man....:coleman:

Fresh Kid

10-04-2013, 12:44 AM

I don't see any Knicks players on that list.
lebum and dgrade didnt earned their rings tho plus knicks players like melo names will be up there soon, dont worry:coleman:

Fresh Kid

10-04-2013, 12:46 AM

That's cold man....:coleman:
he's just mad cuz Im telling tha truth, and now he wanna talk shit about my team outta anger:coleman:

aj1987

10-04-2013, 01:01 AM

he's just mad cuz Im telling tha truth, and now he wanna talk shit about my team outta anger:coleman:
Why the hell would I be angry when my team is winning?

P.S. When was the last time the Knicks won a ring?

Fresh Kid

10-04-2013, 01:10 AM

Why the hell would I be angry when my team is winning?

P.S. When was the last time the Knicks won a ring?
when tha last time tha cheat won a ring without it being an asterisk???:biggums:

SamuraiSWISH

10-04-2013, 01:10 AM

Kobe wasn't the Lakers leading scorer in 2001.

aj1987

10-04-2013, 01:11 AM

when tha last time tha cheat won a ring without it being an asterisk???:biggums:
'06, '12 and '13.

Fresh Kid

10-04-2013, 01:12 AM

'06, '12 and '13.
all of them were asterisks:rolleyes: :facepalm

KyleKong

10-04-2013, 01:50 AM

Is this really the list? Hot damn.

Hoopz2332

10-05-2013, 08:47 AM

BTW, Lebron had the most points, assists, rebounds, and steals in '12 &'13.

:bowdown:

Dro

10-05-2013, 02:16 PM

So you guys seriously don't see the only reason he created this thread was to pimp Kobe? I try to like Kobe but his stans make it so hard...."Thats what she said"....

fpliii

10-05-2013, 02:23 PM

griff - Could you do the same lists for players who led their teams in PPG/RPG, and RPG/APG?

DJ Leon Smith

10-05-2013, 02:46 PM

Griff excellent thread.

Could you also make a list of players who led their teams to a 39 point loss in a deciding NBA Finals game?

raptorfan_dr07

10-05-2013, 03:14 PM

Griff excellent thread.

Could you also make a list of players who led their teams to a 39 point loss in a deciding NBA Finals game?

Yeah I'm also interested in the list of players who struggled to make the playoffs with 3 other hall of famers on the team. Or choked away a 3-1 series lead in the playoffs.

branslowski

10-05-2013, 06:50 PM

So you guys seriously don't see the only reason he created this thread was to pimp Kobe? I try to like Kobe but his stans make it so hard...."Thats what she said"....

Pretty sure you just madd because It's a positive Kobe thread and u have hate in ur blood.

I'm sure if a MJ fan made a positive Jordan thread, Ud be singing a different tune....something along the lines of ":applause: that's why he's the greatest"...I'm sure my description is accurate.

N!gga didn't say Kobe is the GOAT, just made a thread about team assist and point leaders. Would he have made the thread if Kobe didn't excel at this? No, but who cares if he didn't make a thread of YOUR fav player, he made one of his. How is this a crime? Why are posters so butthurt?

If this is how ISH goes down, then we should be butthurt and madd at every pro Bird, Magic, Hakeem, LeBron, and Duncan thread....

Jesus christ u haters....yawl ain't eat yawl snickers today did yawl?....:coleman:

Deuce Bigalow

10-05-2013, 06:52 PM

Yeah I'm also interested in the list of players who struggled to make the playoffs with 3 other hall of famers on the team. Or choked away a 3-1 series lead in the playoffs.
username: raptorfan_dr07

Legends66NBA7

10-05-2013, 06:55 PM

username: raptorfan_dr07

Is this an attempt to bring up the 81 point game ?

Deuce Bigalow

10-05-2013, 07:00 PM

griff - Could you do the same lists for players who led their teams in PPG/RPG, and RPG/APG?
Off the top of my head

PPG/RPG
Mikan (5)
Kareem (2)
Bird (3)
Moses
Hakeem (2)
Duncan (4)
Shaq (3)
Lebron (2)

Edit:
Hayes

fpliii

10-05-2013, 07:06 PM

Off the top of my head

PPG/RPG
Mikan (5)
Kareem (2)
Bird (3)
Moses
Hakeem (2)
Duncan (4)
Shaq (3)
Lebron (2)

Edit:
Hayes

Cool, thanks. Can you do one for APG/RPG (probably very short, Magic and Bird maybe)?

Deuce Bigalow

10-05-2013, 07:09 PM

Cool, thanks. Can you do one for APG/RPG (probably very short, Magic and Bird maybe)?
APG/RPG
Wilt
Magic (4)
Bird (3)
Hakeem
Duncan
Lebron (2)

Edit: Walton

This is going by playoff averages, not regular season.

Simple Jack

10-05-2013, 07:28 PM

Calling someone a ball hog requires a lot more context than simply listing assist numbers.

fpliii

10-05-2013, 10:09 PM

APG/RPG
Wilt
Magic (4)
Bird (3)
Hakeem
Duncan
Lebron (2)

Edit: Walton

This is going by playoff averages, not regular season.

Thanks.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Deuce Bigalow again.

I'll rep you again when I can. Pretty cool stuff.

EDIT: Looks like Russ did it in 65 and 66 too.

Deuce Bigalow

10-05-2013, 10:17 PM

Thanks.

I'll rep you again when I can. Pretty cool stuff.

EDIT: Looks like Russ did it in 65 and 66 too.
I didn't even bother to check Russell. I was so sure that there was no way Bill Russell led in assists.