mj's passing > lbj's

[diamenz]

you know you're an elite passer when the receiver hasn't even registered in his brain that he has the ball in his hands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTOXUmsdoM

mike's job was of course to score and bail out his team whereas lbj's is to playmake. when it comes to just passing in general though, i think mj takes the cak.

it should also be noted that almost all of mike's assists are to high percentage shots. he rarely passed out to a three point shooter.

[tikay0]

Of course. You give MJ PG duties like Lebron for his whole career, and we're talking about the GOAT PG and SG.

They'd be calling him the GOAT combo guard/scorer/passer, etc.

[dh144498]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTOXUmsdoM

mike's job was of course to score and bail out his team whereas lbj's is to playmake. when it comes to just passing in general though, i think mj takes the cak.

only lebron stans claim Lebron to be a much superior passer than MJ, when in fact, they are at the very worst the same.

[tpols]

Damn.. as far as skill goes there probably close. Jordan super fancy with the short range dumpoffs, where as lebron has the edge in cross court and lob passing.

[Remix]

this mix focus on the underestimated talent of the greatest of all time....is ability to make the pass.
you can see how good he was to make blind pass , laser pass , circus pass ,acrobatic pass.....a perfect EYE with quickness and creativity....very unpredictable.
NO DUNK - NO LAY UP - NO JUMPSHOT !!!!!
......JUST SHOWTIME.

from the video description...

theoo, is that you?

[pauk]

Stop... right there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA

MJ was not a bad passer at all, he would be flashy at times, but what makes Lebron a better passer is the consistancy/success/productivity in those highlight & difficult passes... he is just a bit more accurate, threads the needle more and has alot more flick in the wrists, like launching a scud missile

[tmacattack33]

Yup, MJ was not only the greatest scorer of all-time, but he was also a top 15 passer of all-time (like Lebron is).

I will now go make a thread about how MJ was a better rebounder than Dennis Rodman to keep this trend going.

[hitmanyr2k]

Stop... right there...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT-zhe-5ORA

So many plays Lebron passes first and then looks away like he threw a no-look pass. It looks ridiculous when he does that :oldlol:

[Kingwillball]

Lebron is a clearly superior passer there is no argument for MJ

[daj0264]

MJ's hairline > Lebrons

[TylerOO]

Idiot

[K Xerxes]

No, stop it, LeBron is up there with Bird as the greatest non-PG passer of all time. MJ is easily the greatest and better than LeBron but he's not a ****ing better passer. Just stop it.

[tikay0]

No, stop it, LeBron is up there with Bird as the greatest non-PG passer of all time. MJ is easily the greatest and better than LeBron but he's not a ****ing better passer. Just stop it.

Fugg outta here You fake ass Lebron ALT. Jordan damn near averaged a triple double when he had to play the point.

Take that avatar off, you don't know shit about MJ.

[TheCorporation]

:biggums:

[K Xerxes]

Fugg outta here You fake ass Lebron ALT. Jordan damn near averaged a triple double when he had to play the point.

Take that avatar off, you don't know shit about MJ.

I don't have to convince myself that MJ is better than LeBron at everything to be an MJ and Bulls fan. I don't roll like you delusional trolls, sorry. From watching both players play, LeBron is simply a better pure passer.

[Nash]

Fugg outta here You fake ass Lebron ALT. Jordan damn near averaged a triple double when he had to play the point.

Take that avatar off, you don't know shit about MJ.
Lebron played PG for I think a whole month with Cleveland and averaged more than 10 apg.

[GrapeApe]

LeBron is a superior passer and more natural distributor/facilitator than Jordan. I'm not sure how that can even be disputed.

[pauk]

Lebron played PG for I think a whole month with Cleveland and averaged more than 10 apg.

Yes, when Mo Williams was injured for a month, 11.6 apg to be exact, that was the season he ended up with 8.6 apg

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2-2.png

[tikay0]

I don't have to convince myself that MJ is better than LeBron at everything to be an MJ and Bulls fan. I don't roll like you delusional trolls, sorry. From watching both players play, LeBron is simply a better pure passer.

Says the guy that joined on April 2013, and has constantly defended LBJ in every thread. You aren't a Bulls fan, and you aren't an MJ fan.

You're a Lebron troll that uses that avatar as a disguise. GTFOH.

[NumberSix]

Lol. Chicago fans are so pathetic.

[chosen_one6]

Says the guy that joined on April 2013, and has constantly defended LBJ in every thread. You aren't a Bulls fan, and you aren't an MJ fan.

You're a Lebron troll that uses that avatar as a disguise. GTFOH.

Troll ass tikayo got called out by another Bulls fan :roll: :applause:

[tikay0]

Lebron played PG for I think a whole month with Cleveland and averaged more than 10 apg.

How dumb are you? Lebron is STILL a PG. :facepalm

He can't play off ball like MJ, so that's the duty given to him. MJ has Pippen to take Lebron's role, because Jordan realized Pippen was more of a Point forward, and that his scoring was better used off the ball.

[215Philly]

Yes, when Mo Williams was injured for a month, 11.6 apg to be exact, that was the season he ended up with 8.6 apg

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2-2.png
He had a statline of 43 15 and 13 :bowdown:

[tikay0]

MJ: 10 TRIPLE DOUBLES IN 11 GAMES. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

21 12 12
33 12 11
32 10 10
37 10 10
27 14 12
33 10 12
31 13 10
40 7 11
40 10 12
47 11 13
29 10 12

[MJ23forever]

I have always considered Lebron James "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what, 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Magic, Kidd, Stockton, or a Nash having 9 assists.

Truly great play makers/passers look to create plays out of nothing. LeBron, not so much. He's either going to drive into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist. LeBron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. As great as LeBron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers on paper, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. LeBron pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan is that Jordan would look for an assist, he looked to make the right pass. James is a very willing passer, but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Jordan didn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he always played within the Bulls offense, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.

[tikay0]

I have always considered Lebron James "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what, 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Magic, Kidd, Stockton, or a Nash having 9 assists.

Truly great play makers/passers look to create plays out of nothing. LeBron, not so much. He's either going to drive into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist. LeBron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. As great as LeBron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers on paper, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. LeBron pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan is that Jordan would look for an assist, he looked to make the right pass. James is a very willing passer, but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Jordan didn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he always played within the Bulls offense, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.

:applause:

A real MJ fan folks. Someone that actually watched him play, and knows WTF he's talking about.

[arifgokcen]

Says the guy that joined on April 2013, and has constantly defended LBJ in every thread. You aren't a Bulls fan, and you aren't an MJ fan.

You're a Lebron troll that uses that avatar as a disguise. GTFOH.

Dude this is not about his join date even though in general 2013 aprils are obnoxious,he is right.Lebron is definitely better passer.

[K Xerxes]

Says the guy that joined on April 2013, and has constantly defended LBJ in every thread. You aren't a Bulls fan, and you aren't an MJ fan.

You're a Lebron troll that uses that avatar as a disguise. GTFOH.

I defend LeBron when Kobe fanboys are using bs arguments against him. But, lol, I've criticised LeBron many times here dude, especially when compared to MJ, and you've been on the threads where I have.

You can personally ask the admin for an IP check to see if I'm a dupe. If I'm a dupe, Jeff can ban all my accounts. If I'm not, you can GTFO of this site forever and stop embarrassing sensible Bulls & MJ fans with your bullshit.

[daj0264]

Dude this is not about his join date even though in general 2013 aprils are obnoxious,he is right.Lebron is definitely better passer.



:biggums:

best draft in history

[diamenz]

half of u bron stans didn't even watch the video.

same reason you're stuck only knowing 96-98 mj.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Says the guy that joined on April 2013, and has constantly defended LBJ in every thread. You aren't a Bulls fan, and you aren't an MJ fan.

You're a Lebron troll that uses that avatar as a disguise. GTFOH.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Guy is a complete fraud.

I have an idea who he is, tho. :oldlol:

[tikay0]

I defend LeBron when Kobe fanboys are using bs arguments against him. But, lol, I've criticised LeBron many times here dude, especially when compared to MJ, and you've been on the threads where I have.

You can personally ask the admin for an IP check to see if I'm a dupe. If I'm a dupe, Jeff can ban all my accounts. If I'm not, you can GTFO of this site forever and stop embarrassing sensible Bulls & MJ fans with your bullshit.

You are clearly a troll alt, and I'm not gonna ask a damn mod whether you're a troll alt. I already know you are.

[chosen_one6]

I have always considered Lebron James "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what, 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Magic, Kidd, Stockton, or a Nash having 9 assists.

Truly great play makers/passers look to create plays out of nothing. LeBron, not so much. He's either going to drive into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist. LeBron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. As great as LeBron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers on paper, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. LeBron pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan is that Jordan would look for an assist, he looked to make the right pass. James is a very willing passer, but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Jordan didn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he always played within the Bulls offense, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.

That's what points do. They facilitate the ball and find the open man. :facepalm

[tikay0]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Guy is a complete fraud.

I have an idea who he is, tho. :oldlol:

There was particular instances where I noticed his posting pattern in a few Lebron threads. They're too easy to spot.

Take your pick. Rose's ACL aka NUMBERSIXX or Silkkthesucker.

[PJR]

I'd say it's a push, honestly. I mean Michael out assisted Prime Magic in the Finals series when choose to do so. And LeBron's numbers speak for them-self.

[K Xerxes]

You are clearly a troll alt, and I'm not gonna ask a damn mod whether you're a troll alt. I already know you are.

Who? I'd at least like to know who I am.

[K Xerxes]

There was particular instances where I noticed his posting pattern in a few Lebron threads. They're too easy to spot.

Take your pick. Rose's ACL aka NUMBERSIXX or Silkkthesucker.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hahahaha, ok.

[KG215]

Lebron played PG for I think a whole month with Cleveland and averaged more than 10 apg.
I don't know how much of this time was spent at PG, and it goes back a little bit before the triple-double streak and past the triple-double streak, but Jordan had a 23 game stretch in March and April of 1989 where he averaged the following....

23 G, 30.7 PPG, 11.0 APG, 9.4 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG

That included 12 triple-doubles and two other games where he missed a triple-double by one assist.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/MichaelJordan1989_zps0517faf5.png

[Sakkreth]

Next thread "mj's passing > magic's" ?

[tikay0]

I don't know how much of this time was spent at PG, and it goes back a little bit before the triple-double streak and past the triple-double streak, but Jordan had a 23 game stretch in March and April of 1989 where he averaged the following....

23 G, 30.7 PPG, 11.0 APG, 9.4 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG

That included 12 triple-doubles and two other games where he missed a triple-double by one assist.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/MichaelJordan1989_zps0517faf5.png

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[tikay0]

Next thread "mj's passing > magic's" ?

LMAO @ suggesting Lebron is even near the passer Magic is. MJ nor Lebron ar near the passer Magic is, but MJ > Lebron.

[dh144498]

LMAO @ suggesting Lebron is even near the passer Magic is. MJ nor Lebron ar near the passer Magic is, but MJ > Lebron.

this

[diamenz]

LMAO @ suggesting Lebron is even near the passer Magic is. MJ nor Lebron ar near the passer Magic is, but MJ > Lebron.

agreed.

[Sakkreth]

LMAO @ suggesting Lebron is even near the passer Magic is. MJ nor Lebron ar near the passer Magic is, but MJ > Lebron.

None of them close to Magic, but LeBron > MJ at passing.

[Element]

Good god, even Kobe is a more flashy and "skilled" passer than LeBron when he puts himself in PG-mode (watch highlights from his 10+ ast games this season)

That doesn't mean he's better though. What makes LeBron great is his consistency, accuracy and decision making. He rarely makes dumb passes and he fires them out of his hands like a laser.

Also MJ was famous for his ridiculous stat padding back when he had awful team, especially when he played PG, to the point where it made his team mates mad.

[NumberSix]

Next thread "mj's passing > magic's" ?
Jordan stans are seriously the worst. These idiots will sit there with a straight face and tell you that Jordan was one of the best 3 point shooters but he just didn't want to shoot 3s and that he had some of the best handles ever and that he was the best midrange shooter of all time even though he was a completely garbage shooter for most of the 80s.

According to Jordan stans, he was the best athlete in NBA history, had the highest basketball IQ ever and was the best leader of all time.

The worst part about jordan mythologists is that If you even suggest that anybody at any point in time was better than Jordan at anything they act like the notion of anybody doing anything better than Michael Jordan is fcuking ridiculous.

[1987_Lakers]

Stupid thread. Ginobili is a better passer than Jordan.

[madmax]

why is slightly more efficient version of Kobrick Cryant even compared to the best passing wing player since Bird?:rolleyes: Jordan was a creation of Stern in the 90's, when Magic, Bird and other 80's greats were leaving the game and the void had to be filled by another player with mass appeal. Lebron >> Jordan as an all around player, passer and teammate and it will only be more obvious as years go by with Heat racking up the titles. Deal with it suckas:pimp:

[1987_Lakers]

The worst part about jordan mythologists is that If you even suggest that anybody at any point in time was better than Jordan at anything they act like the notion of anybody doing anything better than Michael Jordan is fcuking ridiculous.

So true. Nothing but brainwashed teenagers who believe he was a God like specimen.

[diamenz]

Jordan stans are seriously the worst. These idiots will sit there with a straight face and tell you that Jordan was one of the best 3 point shooters but he just didn't want to shoot 3s and that he had some of the best handles ever and that he was the best midrange shooter of all time even though he was a completely garbage shooter for most of the 80s.

According to Jordan stans, he was the best athlete in NBA history, had the highest basketball IQ ever and was the best leader of all time.

The worst part about jordan mythologists is that If you even suggest that anybody at any point in time was better than Jordan at anything they act like the notion of anybody doing anything better than Michael Jordan is fcuking ridiculous.

i disagree - lebron stans are the worst. how could u be a fan, much less a stan of someone who doesn't need to flop because he has what it takes, but decides to bitch out and do it anyway?

[Jlamb47]

Jordan was a great passer but cmon everyone knows Lebron has better passing abilities.

[DaSeba5]

In what world? MJ is the GOAT, but he's not the best at everything.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan stans are seriously the worst. These idiots will sit there with a straight face and tell you that Jordan was one of the best 3 point shooters but he just didn't want to shoot 3s and that he had some of the best handles ever and that he was the best midrange shooter of all time even though he was a completely garbage shooter for most of the 80s.

According to Jordan stans, he was the best athlete in NBA history, had the highest basketball IQ ever and was the best leader of all time.

The worst part about jordan mythologists is that If you even suggest that anybody at any point in time was better than Jordan at anything they act like the notion of anybody doing anything better than Michael Jordan is fcuking ridiculous.
Wait so Jordan didn't have great handles? Lol riiight ...

You're sucking too much of that LeCock lately. And aren't you still the self proclaimed Laker fan? Lol ... That's besides the point.

The other day you straight up said LeBron is better than Jordan at everything ... Yet Jordan fans are the stanelys? Ok sounds legit.

[poido123]

No, stop it, LeBron is up there with Bird as the greatest non-PG passer of all time. MJ is easily the greatest and better than LeBron but he's not a ****ing better passer. Just stop it.

In 88-89, he was averaging over 10 assists per game when he took over PG duties half way through the season...He average 32/8/8 that season, yes lebron numbers with half the passing duties. Im not here to tell everyone how great and awesome MJ was, we know that, but I think people would be pleasantly surprised at how good MJ could pass the ball. Unfortunately we only got to see small samples of it when he was PG for a half a season, but when he did he was right up there.

I think this is a case of overrating Lebron's passing and guys on here too young or uninformed on how Jordan can pass the ball. All we ever see or hear about is his flashy dunks and unbelievable scoring ability.

[DaSeba5]

In 88-89, he was averaging over 10 assists per game when he took over PG duties half way through the season...He average 32/8/8 that season, yes lebron numbers with half the passing duties. Im not here to tell everyone how great and awesome MJ was, we know that, but I think people would be pleasantly surprised at how good MJ could pass the ball. Unfortunately we only got to see small samples of it when he was PG for a half a season, but when he did he was right up there.

I think this is a case of overrating Lebron's passing and guys on here too young or uninformed on how Jordan can pass the ball. All we ever see or hear about is his flashy dunks and unbelievable scoring ability.

It's also a case of people claiming Jordan to be the best at everything, and another case of people diminishing LeBron's talents. God forbid people give him credit for anything on ISH that aren't stans. Jordan was a great passer, but LeBron is the better passer. It doesn't make him better than Jordan.

[AintNoSunshine]

Sorry, love both but Lebron clearly the better passer

[tikay0]

Sorry, love both but Lebron clearly the better passer

Sorry, you're an April 2013 Lebron alt, and you clearly have Lebron's nuts on your tongue.

[tpols]

This is hilarious. :oldlol:

You can't say LeBron is a better passer than Jordan or else you'll get met with petty insults from 40 year old Jordan stans and 12 year old bulls fans. Sad state for discussion.

[305Baller]

This, among other things, is what separates AIr Jordan from Kobe.

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron is a more willing passer, I don't think that necessarily makes him better. I would rank LeBron over him because of that in regards to passing, but MJ was quite a skilled passer. Slept on skill of his. And yes, MJ is still the better defender, scorer, free throw shooter, shooter, playmaker, and clutch time player. Possibly on equal ground as a facilitator too.

[plowking]

LeBron is a more willing passer, I don't think that necessarily makes him better. I would rank LeBron over him because of that in regards to passing, but MJ was quite a skilled passer. Slept on skill of his. And yes, MJ is still the better defender, scorer, free throw shooter, shooter, playmaker, and clutch time player. Possibly on equal ground as a facilitator too.

Farkin' lol.

Go back to your Swoosh account. At least the stuff you posted on there was somewhat correct.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Farkin' lol.

Go back to your Swoosh account. At least the stuff you posted on there was somewhat correct.
What exactly wasn't correct in that post? lol ... LeBron a superior scorer to MJ? Better man defender? Please, go back to spreading your cheeks and being ridiculously biased for anything Miami Heat related. You australian clown. MJ's 20 games or whatever to close out '89 as a PG trumps LeBron's efforts in the same capacity for virtually his entire career.

[plowking]

What exactly wasn't correct in that post? lol ... LeBron a superior scorer to MJ? Better man defender? Please, go back to spreading your cheeks and being ridiculously biased for anything Miami Heat related. You australian clown. MJ's 20 games or whatever to close out '89 as a PG trumps LeBron's efforts in the same capacity for virtually his entire career.

Oh, the season MJ was checking his stats every single quarter? Dude was a stat whore to the max.
He has never been, never will be, and never could have been a better passer than Lebron.

And no, he didn't do a better job as the point guard than Lebron.

Jordan probably isn't in the top 5 SG's in terms of passing. He gets overrated like crazy in almost every aspect he wasn't great in.

[secund2nun]

According to Jordan fans, he is the greatest of all time in every single category of basketball. He is the strongest, fastest, best rebounder, best passer, best shooter, best shot blocker etc.

Don't you dare try to argue that Lebron is stronger than Jordan. They will come up with something like "Jordan's muscle fibers were composed of a higher DNA sequence than Lebron's giving him superior wirey strength".

[Greg Oden 50]

Lebron is a clearly superior passer there is no argument for MJ

MJvPALYS PG ROLE,11 Triple Double in 10 GAMES,8 STRAIGHT TRIPLE DOUBLE IN A ROW
MJ JUST DOESN'T NEED TO DO,HE CAN AVG DOUBLE DOUBLE IF HE WANT,UNlIKE LEBRON WHO PAD STATS EVERYGAME

[SamuraiSWISH]

Oh, the season MJ was checking his stats every single quarter? Dude was a stat whore to the max.
To end that season? Absolutely. He clowned all the people who said Magic was a better team player than him, and that all MJ could do was score. Then he goes out at averages 33 ppg and 11 apg to finish out the last 20 something games of the season, including 12 LeBron-esque stat obsessed triple doubles.


Jordan probably isn't in the top 5 SG's in terms of passing. He gets overrated like crazy in almost every aspect he wasn't great in.
Oh really. Name me 5 SGs that were better at the skill of passing. This is going to be damn interesting ... please, go ahead and make a fool of yourself, Crocodile Dundee.

So, I gave LeBron the nod over MJ in terms of passing and rebounding. The rest, as in my post goes to Jordan. So what exactly wasn't I even semi-correct about? LOL ... you have reached madmax, pauk, NumberSix, KingWillBall levels of LeBron stan levels. Congrats.

[Jacks3]

Jordan probably isn't in the top 5 SG's in terms of passing.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[secund2nun]

In 88-89, he was averaging over 10 assists per game when he took over PG duties half way through the season...He average 32/8/8 that season, yes lebron numbers with half the passing duties. Im not here to tell everyone how great and awesome MJ was, we know that, but I think people would be pleasantly surprised at how good MJ could pass the ball. Unfortunately we only got to see small samples of it when he was PG for a half a season, but when he did he was right up there.

I think this is a case of overrating Lebron's passing and guys on here too young or uninformed on how Jordan can pass the ball. All we ever see or hear about is his flashy dunks and unbelievable scoring ability.

Lebron averaged 12.7 apg when he played PG and that was in 2009 where the pace was much slower than in 1988 Why does everyone ignore pace?. Had Lebron played back then he would have had even more apg.

Micheal is not the best at everything. It's okay.

[Fawker]

video of selected clips where mj appears more magical but in reality still lower in numbers than lebron. 2 points are 2 points and lebron dishes more 2 points.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Seriously.

I haven't even heard pauk make some of these assertions. Crocodile Dundee over here has been spending too much time talking basketball with rugby fans and kangaroos.

:oldlol: @ MJ not being even a top five passing SG of all-time.

[tazb]

Lmao why is this troll thread still open? What's the point of even addressing retarded statements like this. What's next, MJ is taller and stronger than LeBron? :facepalm

[plowking]

To end that season? Absolutely. He clowned all the people who said Magic was a better team player than him, and that all MJ could do was score. Then he goes out at averages 33 ppg and 11 apg to finish out the last 20 something games of the season, including 12 LeBron-esque stat obsessed triple doubles.


Oh really. Name me 5 SGs that were better at the skill of passing. This is going to be damn interesting ... please, go ahead and make a fool of yourself, Crocodile Dundee.

So, I gave LeBron the nod over MJ in terms of passing and rebounding. The rest, as in my post goes to Jordan. So what exactly wasn't I even semi-correct about? LOL ... you have reached madmax, pauk, NumberSix, KingWillBall levels of LeBron stan levels. Congrats.


Ginobli, Drexler, Wade, Maravich, West, etc.

Oscar and Iverson played SG for a large chunk of their careers too.

[OJ SIMPSON 2.0]

Lebrick makes crappy cross court passes and his teammates bail him out every time. Lebrick isn't a good passer, he's just a stat padder.

[Legends66NBA7]

So true. Nothing but brainwashed teenagers who believe he was a God like specimen.

Funny thing is I've rarely seen many MJ fans mention he's a god (gawd) here, while we got Bryant and James fans calling them "gawd" way more. There's even a thread on the front page.

10-20 years down the road, were going to see the same thing. Might see more things suggested about Durant too and whoever the next superstar(s) are.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Ginobli, Drexler, Wade, Maravich, West, etc.

Oscar and Iverson played SG for a large chunk of their careers too.
Ginobili (4 apg career) ... ???

:roll:

When did any of these guys average 8.0 assists per game for an entire season like Jordan? West is the only one who bested that out of all the players mentioned.

Jordan had the second highest single season total, then Iverson.

Crocodile Dundee ... :facepalm

[plowking]

Lebrick makes crappy cross court passes and his teammates bail him out every time. Lebrick isn't a good passer, he's just a stat padder.

Yeah, crappy cross court passes that land in the players shooting pocket about 80% of the time. :oldlol:

[plowking]

Ginobili (4 apg career) ... ???

:roll:

When did any of these guys average 8.0 assists per game for an entire season like Jordan? West is the only one who bested that out of all the players mentioned.

Jordan had the second highest single season total, then Iverson.

Crocodile Dundee ... :facepalm

:oldlol:

Dismissing Ginobili's passing because of what numbers say. :oldlol:
I guess KD is a better passer than Sabonis, or Westbrook is a better passer than Webber just because they've never had a season as good as the other guys. :oldlol:

Crocodile Dundee? :oldlol:
You're looking foolish trying to get at me about the country I live in, when its probably better than the country you live in. :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Dismissing Ginobili's passing because of what numbers say.
Then what is the criteria to judge?

If it's eye test, skill of passing ... MJ >>> Iverson, Wade, Drexler. Easily. Guy put up 4 - 6 apg playing in the triangle, while having a significantly less ball dominant role than Wade, Iverson, or even Ginobili.

If it's eye test, Bird > LBJ.

Try again Kangaroo Jack.

[Djahjaga]

MJ was excellent, but that video did nothing to convince me that he was a better passer than Lebron.

We don't have to do this with all of MJ's attributes. He can be worse at some aspects of the game than other players, especially other NBA greats, like Lebron.



And, unless you're living in the 80s/early 90s, a 3-point shot can be an efficient shot if used appropriately. On a related note, I seem to recall Jordan averaging 11 assists in the 91 Finals, a lot of which came off Paxson threes (or other long jumpers).

[plowking]

Then what is the criteria to judge?

If it's eye test, skill of passing ... MJ >>> Iverson, Wade, Drexler. Easily. Guy put up 4 - 6 apg playing in the triangle, while having a significantly less ball dominant role than Wade, Iverson, or even Ginobili.

If it's eye test, Bird > LBJ.

Try again Kangaroo Jack.

I've always given Bird the benefit of the doubt in terms of creativity when it comes to passing over Lebron. Hes not a better playmaker and finding players in their shooting pocket. Lebron might be one of the best ever at that. Its a wash overall.

Skill of passing? No. Wade and Drexler were easily more creative than Jordan, and their career numbers back up them being more willing and better passers. In what way is Ginobili more dominant than Jordan on ball? Hes played with Parker his whole career.

I'll enjoy my city on the beach with beautiful women, while you enjoy the depressing mess that is Chicago currently.

[1987_Lakers]

Ginobili (4 apg career) ... ???

:roll:

When did any of these guys average 8.0 assists per game for an entire season like Jordan? West is the only one who bested that out of all the players mentioned.

Jordan had the second highest single season total, then Iverson.

Crocodile Dundee ... :facepalm

Why are you ignoring the fact that Jordan played like 10 more MPG than Ginobili & was the primary ball handler, while Ginobili played off the ball way more?

Anyone who has watched both of these players should tell you that Ginobili was the better passer.

[Trollsmasher]

Oh c'mon, MJ's high assist year was in a high pace, no defense era, LeBron would average 12 assists per game that year if he ballhogged as much as Jordan did.

LeBron's passing may not be the most flashy one, but I would rather receive laser pass straight to my shooting pocket than some hot potato that went between someone's legs and around two heads and you did not know if the ball will even make it to you until the very last moment.

[Jax]

Next up is Jordan was a better dunker than Lebron, stop it!
Jordan stans are worse than Kobe's...

[LEFT4DEAD]

I have always considered Lebron James "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what, 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Magic, Kidd, Stockton, or a Nash having 9 assists.

Truly great play makers/passers look to create plays out of nothing. LeBron, not so much. He's either going to drive into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist. LeBron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. As great as LeBron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers on paper, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. LeBron pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

The difference between LeBron and Jordan is that Jordan would look for an assist, he looked to make the right pass. James is a very willing passer, but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Jordan didn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he always played within the Bulls offense, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.
Wow, this post is really really stupid and I will not even try to reason it.

[nayte]

It's also a case of people claiming Jordan to be the best at everything, and another case of people diminishing LeBron's talents. God forbid people give him credit for anything on ISH that aren't stans. Jordan was a great passer, but LeBron is the better passer. It doesn't make him better than Jordan.

Yup this. I grew up with the Jordan era and was a big fan.a stan even.(even in Australia , like this makes a difference).Too me, Lebron is a much more willing passer.And to me that ends the debate.Lebron will look for the open man. Jordan looked to score first then found the open man.
This is all IMO

[Unbiased_one]

I don't know how much of this time was spent at PG, and it goes back a little bit before the triple-double streak and past the triple-double streak, but Jordan had a 23 game stretch in March and April of 1989 where he averaged the following....

23 G, 30.7 PPG, 11.0 APG, 9.4 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG

That included 12 triple-doubles and two other games where he missed a triple-double by one assist.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/MichaelJordan1989_zps0517faf5.png

those stats are at least partially inflated by the high pace of the nba then. Just like the big O wouldn't have come close to averaging a triple double if the game was as slow as it is today.

[Trollsmasher]

I don't know how much of this time was spent at PG, and it goes back a little bit before the triple-double streak and past the triple-double streak, but Jordan had a 23 game stretch in March and April of 1989 where he averaged the following....

23 G, 30.7 PPG, 11.0 APG, 9.4 RPG, 2.5 SPG, 1.0 BPG

That included 12 triple-doubles and two other games where he missed a triple-double by one assist.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/jdbudget/MichaelJordan1989_zps0517faf5.png
No wonder they called him ballhogger and chucker. It must have cool for his teammate to just stand around and watch him padding his stats.

[Haks]

Who cares?!
MJ was overall a better basketball player. Cherry picking specific areas don't mean shi:

[OldSchoolBBall]

Damn.. as far as skill goes there probably close. Jordan super fancy with the short range dumpoffs, where as lebron has the edge in cross court and lob passing.

What I've noticed actually is that people make such a big deal about Lebron's passing, and while it very well may be superior to Jordan's, it's not by much. Many of Lebron's "wow" assists come when the floor is extremely spaced out and a cutter heads to the basket off a back-cut etc. and he's in the triple-threat position and then he zips a pass in. Don't get me wrong, it's nice, but it's not like he's knifing a pass through traffic off a live dribble between multiple defenders. He does do that here and there, but hardly every game, or enough to make me conclude that he's "so much" better a passer than Jordan.

The gap between he and MJ as passers, if it exists, is much smaller than the gap between, say, MJ and Bird as passers (Bird being clearly a better passer than Lebron).

[Greg Oden 50]

Next up is Jordan was a better dunker than Lebron, stop it!
Jordan stans are worse than Kobe's...

jordan is better dunker than LeBron,no need to argue..............:no:

[Greg Oden 50]

No wonder they called him ballhogger and chucker. It must have cool for his teammate to just stand around and watch him padding his stats.

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STAtS PADDAR LIKE LEBEON JAMES DID :banana:

[Rose'sACL]

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STAtS PADDAR LIKE LEBEON JAMES DID :banana:
I hope you know that jordan used to check his stats after every 10-15 mins. during that triple double run he was on. Jordan always cared about stats. Ask most jordan fans here.
Nothing wrong with it. Regular season games are so boring for great players that they have to find something else to motivate themselves.

[Flash31]

No

Mj was and is a better scorer and defender

but passer NOPE

During MJs triple double run he was constantly
checking his stats every quarter
he was literally rondo-ing his assist tally during
that stretch.And yes while still extremely impressive
29,10,10 he wasnt playing to win or like he usually does
he was trying to prove a point


Remember Kobe this season,everybody said he couldnt pass and wouldnt
and that Nash was a better playmaker and should be leader with the ball
so Kobe decides hell avg more assists than Nash and be num 1 in that category to prove them wrong
and so he tried and while he put up
20,12,6 everybody could see how he was doing it

purposely not shooting,giving up open fast break layups to pass to a teammate Rondo style,Holding the ball the whole game and literally forcing the issue in assist making,avg 4 turnovers per game and really went to the far opposite

instead of only scoring he went to only passing
rather than incorporate playmaking he goes from one extreme to another

Jordan went from his scoring natural self to forcing the issue

So NO

[leMVP]

No

Mj was and is a better scorer and defender

but passer NOPE

During MJs triple double run he was constantly
checking his stats every quarter
he was literally rondo-ing his assist tally during
that stretch.And yes while still extremely impressive
29,10,10 he wasnt playing to win or like he usually does
he was trying to prove a point


Remember Kobe this season,everybody said he couldnt pass and wouldnt
and that Nash was a better playmaker and should be leader with the ball
so Kobe decides hell avg more assists than Nash and be num 1 in that category to prove them wrong
and so he tried and while he put up
20,12,6 everybody could see how he was doing it

purposely not shooting,giving up open fast break layups to pass to a teammate Rondo style,Holding the ball the whole game and literally forcing the issue in assist making,avg 4 turnovers per game and really went to the far opposite

instead of only scoring he went to only passing
rather than incorporate playmaking he goes from one extreme to another

Jordan went from his scoring natural self to forcing the issue

So NO

Great post :applause:

[poido123]

Funny thing is I've rarely seen many MJ fans mention he's a god (gawd) here, while we got Bryant and James fans calling them "gawd" way more. There's even a thread on the front page.

10-20 years down the road, were going to see the same thing. Might see more things suggested about Durant too and whoever the next superstar(s) are.

Spot on my friend.

Heat fans like to throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks...

We aren't sitting here calling Jordan God or anything like that. But what you will see on ISH are stans saying "Legawd" or "Godbe". It is unfortunate that we have to continually educate children on here about what Jordan could do and we get called crazy or stans because in reality, Jordan was elite at many facets of the game. Now, I'd like for someone to point out exactly what makes Lebron a better passer than Jordan? Ive seen both and I can say Jordan could do everything that Lebron is currently doing now with the pass...

Now, as all the Heat fans get older and Lebron eventually retires, watch how quickly people's perception changes of him as a player and what people will claim Lebron can't do. Jordan was idolised by fans and non fans back in the day. Now, the new generation would rather pick him apart and call him a hype machine and overrated. Nope, he was that good.

[Floppy]

This is hilarious. :oldlol:

You can't say LeBron is a better passer than Jordan or else you'll get met with petty insults from 40 year old Jordan stans and 12 year old bulls fans. Sad state for discussion.
I'd rather have the incredible insight of some teens who have some vague memory of sitting next to their father when watching a wizards game.

[dh144498]

lebron also checked his stats in the 2011 finals. After finding out that Wade is outdoing him in stats, which meant that he will win the FMVP over lebron, he purposely sabotaged the series just to make sure Wade doesn't win FMVP. what a selfish person. He only shows up when he gets all the glory. If another teammate outshines him, he disappears and makes sure his team loses. :facepalm

[jlip]

No

[plowking]

lebron also checked his stats in the 2011 finals. After finding out that Wade is outdoing him in stats, which meant that he will win the FMVP over lebron, he purposely sabotaged the series just to make sure Wade doesn't win FMVP. what a selfish person. He only shows up when he gets all the glory. If another teammate outshines him, he disappears and makes sure his team loses. :facepalm

He was trying to be like Kobe against the Pistons.

Then he realized he's way better than Kobe and doesn't need to resort to that.

[dh144498]

He was trying to be like Kobe against the Pistons.

Then he realized he's way better than Kobe and doesn't need to resort to that.

but he did. He sabotaged that finals because he doesn't want a teammate to get the FMVP over him. the "best player in the league" got outscored by a bench player in the NBA finals. Nice.

And what does this have to do with Kobe? We're all talking about MJ vs Lebron and checking stats here. Lebron stans are so insecure. they realize that Lebron will never touch MJ so they take a slightly lesser version of him and compare to lebron, but there's no comparison right now. Lebron's only delivered once right now. :lol