6'7 Wade or 6'8 Barkley

[Suguru101]

Who would you pick to start a franchise?

[Ancient Legend]

6'8 Barkley would grab tons of additional boards to his 11-13 normal ones.

6'10 Carl Landry is another one to think of.

[Wonder Bread Kid]

Barkley was/is 6'4-6'5. :facepalm

[Suguru101]

Barkley was/is 6'4-6'5. :facepalm

Hypothetically man.

[Suguru101]

6'8 Barkley would grab tons of additional boards to his 11-13 normal ones.

6'10 Carl Landry is another one to think of.

So you'd pick him over a 6'7 Dwayne Wade?

[Ancient Legend]

Barkley was/is 6'4-6'5. :facepalm

:facepalm

[arifgokcen]

Barkley at 6'8 would be even harder to defend than lebron.He would probably average more than 15 rpg.

Wade at 6'7 assuming he still plays SG,he would be the best rim protecting wing ever.Imagine peak wade with 7-8' more reach.That would a something.

Its really hard though barkley regular season performance is better but wade has been better in playoffs.Its really a hard question i would say barkley even though you cant go wrong with wade neither

[Ancient Legend]

So you'd pick him over a 6'7 Dwayne Wade?

Yes... a 6'8 Barkley would be like Zach Randolph on Steroids with a shooting touch from outside.

Wade's game doesn't depend on his size that much, more his timing and slashing (offensively speaking).

[dbk123]

I'd take a 7'6 Jeremy Lin. Oh wait....

[Ancient Legend]

A 6'6 Nate Robinson would shoot jumpers straight down.

[Suguru101]

Barkley at 6'8 would be even harder to defend than lebron.He would probably average more than 15 rpg.

Wade at 6'7 assuming he still plays SG,he would be the best rim protecting wing ever.Imagine peak wade with 7-8' more reach.That would a something.

Its really hard though barkley regular season performance is better but wade has been better in playoffs.Its really a hard question i would say barkley even though you cant go wrong with wade neither

I'm leaning towards Wade... I mean, being 6'7 he'd be able to see over the defense, that would make him a better passer, make him asses better cutting lanes and see the rotations that could take place if he goes one way or the other.

Also being able to shoot over almost all shooting guards would better his midrange game and not make him depend on fadeaways.

Defensively he would be much better, though his lazyness can't be cured.

[Mrofir]

that would make him a begger passer, make him asses better


I agree, it's always the begger passers that asses the best

[plowking]

A 6'7 Wade is basically just Lebron James with a worse 3 point shot.

[iamgine]

I propose a 7'1 Yao Ming who doesn't get injured.

[Suguru101]

I agree, it's always the begger passers that asses the best

:oldlol:

But hey, it's my first thread so i was kind of nervous and didn't edit it.

All in good fun though.:cheers:

[Mrofir]

:oldlol:

But hey, it's my first thread so i was kind of nervous and didn't edit it.

All in good fun though.:cheers:


:cheers:

[Perspektiva]

These kind of threads are just stupid... really, how we supposed to know, if the player's abilities stay the same if we add to them 3-4 inches. Like wade would still be that quick, or even stay at the sg position.

Hypothetical things are fun sometimes, but this is just pointless

[No_Look604]

What league are they playing in? The 80's/90's version or this soft-ass one?

[Suguru101]

What league are they playing in? The 80's/90's version or this soft-ass one?

Current league. Take into account, 5 second back-to-basket rule for Barkley.

[lucky001]

The extra inches will benefit the post player more.

I can't imagine the utter rape tall barkley will commit on the league. He'd be a more athletic blake griffin with an insane skill set for 6'8. No one could stop short barkley in a rougher league accustomed to dealing with post play. It would be insane.

[Suckafree]

A 6'8 Barkley would be dunking every and anything.

You wouldn't be able to grab any boards with a 6'8 Barkley around. He would be better defensively and would likely increase his FG% by about 5%.
So a prime 6'8 Barkley would basically put up Shaq numbers with better rebounding and assist numbers. That dude would be a problem.

In saying that, a 6'7 D-Wade wins a DPOY and probably an MVP or two.
Nobody would be able to get by him if he was 6'7.

All in all, I'm going with Barkley

[Duderonomy]

Barkley was/is 6'4-6'5. :facepalm
Barkley was 6'6. Honestly for some reason this topic is more debatable than Iverson's financial situation or Lebron's place in history.

[CavaliersFTW]

Barkley was 6'6. Honestly for some reason this topic is more debatable than Iverson's financial situation or Lebron's place in history.
6-4 and 3/4 of an inch (stated many times by himself from his own mouth) such as right here: http://youtu.be/JDz2yGoK_xk?t=1m

And additionally in the 1992 Olympics he measured precisely 6-4 and 5/8ths w/o shoes.

Granted, in shoes, he may have been nearer to 6-6. But I'm just sayin, nobody is wrong here when they say he was under 6-6

[TheReal Kendall]

Give me a 6'10 Jordan all day everyday! BBQ chicken and Ribs

[daj0264]

6'8 barkley is GOAT imo but add inches onto a lot and they're GOAts

[RedBlackAttack]

A 6'7 Wade is basically just Lebron James with a worse 3 point shot.
Wow.

You've really come quite a distance from the good old days when we used to debate on here about James vs. Wade.

We both have, I guess.

[PHILA]

The extra inches will benefit the post player more.

I can't imagine the utter rape tall barkley will commit on the league. He'd be a more athletic blake griffin with an insane skill set for 6'8. No one could stop short barkley in a rougher league accustomed to dealing with post play. It would be insane.

:applause:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjUpA3UVlA&t=03m04s


Look how he easily scores on the failed trap attempt by Grant & Cartwright, with limited mobility on those spin moves due to his MCL sprain, wearing a bulky mechanical knee brace (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9tL2e6EsFw&t=8m44s). He makes it look like a practice drill. :lol

[bdreason]

Barkley was easily 6'6", probably closer to 6'7". Wade is 6'4" approaching 6'5". So if you're going to do an accurate hypothetical, it should be 6'7" Wade vs. 6'9" Barkley.




And I'll take 6'9" Barkley.

[RedBlackAttack]

Barkley was maybe the best I've ever seen at going straight up off of two feet right around the basket. It didn't matter how many guys were down there with him, he'd go straight up and through them every time.

Incredibly explosive offensive player... and he was 6-5.

At 6-8? It would be a wrap.

[Duderonomy]

6-4 and 3/4 of an inch (stated many times by himself from his own mouth) such as right here: http://youtu.be/JDz2yGoK_xk?t=1m

And additionally in the 1992 Olympics he measured precisely 6-4 and 5/8ths w/o shoes.

Granted, in shoes, he may have been nearer to 6-6. But I'm just sayin, nobody is wrong here when they say he was under 6-6
http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/barkleymug.jpg http://valleyofthesuns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Charles-Barkley-Michael-Jordan.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/teg/tsg/release/sites/default/files/imagecache/670xX/photos/barkleymug.jpg http://valleyofthesuns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Charles-Barkley-Michael-Jordan.jpg
Sorry but police height charts are not guaranteed accurate - that pic has been posted thousands of times as if it makes Barkley's admission to being only 6-4 and 3/4 (and Chic Hearns suspcian he isn't even 6-5) and the 1992 Olympic's 6-4 and 5/8ths measurement totally irrelevant? It doesn't, it just means the police that arrested him have a shitty height chart that needs adjusted. And pic judging on a photograph with 600+mm's of zoom and both players slouching and not even on the same plane? really? Do you even know how misleading that is? C'mon now. And every pic of him with Jordan shows them about the same height. P.S. Jordan is also about 6-4 and 3/4 w/o shoes. MJ measured 6-4 and 7/8ths in that same 1992 Olympics.

[AngelEyes]

Sorry but police height charts are not guaranteed accurate - that pic has been posted thousands of times as if it makes Barkley's admission to being only 6-4 and 3/4 (and Chic Hearns suspcian he isn't even 6-5) and the 1992 Olympic's 6-4 and 5/8ths measurement totally irrelevant? It doesn't, it just means the police that arrested him have a shitty height chart that needs adjusted. And pic judging on a photograph with 600+mm's of zoom and both players slouching and not even on the same plane? really? Do you even know how misleading that is? C'mon now. And every pic of him with Jordan shows them about the same height. P.S. Jordan is also about 6-4 and 3/4 w/o shoes. MJ measured 6-4 and 7/8ths in that same 1992 Olympics.

Can we just call him 6'5" without shoes then? As for the height chart I'm sure Barkley was probably wearing shoes...

[bdreason]

If Barkley was 6'4" then Jordan was 6'3"... because I watched those guys entire careers... and Barkley was taller than MJ.

[CavaliersFTW]

If Barkley was 6'4" then Jordan was 6'3"... because I watched those guys entire careers... and Barkley was taller than MJ.
Or Barkley wore thicker shoes - and since both were near as makes no different the same height w/o shoes (approximately 6-4 and 3/4) some slightly thicker shoes would make Barkley appear taller. Also, Barkley's shoulders might have been higher on his body, thus creating the illusion of additional height. Wilt Chamberlain was built with high shoulders, he often looked taller than other "7 footers" he stood next to - such as Artis Gilmore in the 72 ABA vs NBA ASG - the announcers were convinced either Artis wasn't 7 foot 2 or that Wilt must have been 7-4. The difference was merely how their body was shaped - the height to the top of their heads was about the same. P.S. who taught you how to round numbers? 6-4 and 3/4 doesn't round to 6-4.

[CavaliersFTW]

Can we just call him 6'5" without shoes then? As for the height chart I'm sure Barkley was probably wearing shoes...
Sure, I'm not trying to split hairs here I just post precise numbers because I can cite them. The 1992 Olympics did not say Barkley measured "6-5" nor Jordan. They said 6-4 and 5/8ths and 6-4 and 7/8ths. Obviously both guys are near-as-makes-no-difference 6-5. But if I take the liberty to round, some asshole at some point in time is gonna be like "you lied you said ____ when the sources really said _____" - i'm just trying to be factual

[AngelEyes]

If Barkley was 6'4" then Jordan was 6'3"... because I watched those guys entire careers... and Barkley was taller than MJ.

Are you out of your mind? 6'3"???? Really?

[RedBlackAttack]

Growing up watching them, I always felt Jordan was slightly taller than Barkley. They were very close.

http://i43.tinypic.com/dr4hoi.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v2fqmg.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2v3pra0.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/dcu8eq.jpg


At the end of the day, we're talking about fractions of an inch one way or the other. Jordan was probably technically closer to 6-5 than 6-6 and Barkley was closer to 6-5 than 6-4.

The point still stands, however, because neither guy was close to 6-8.

http://i43.tinypic.com/wsl6on.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Growing up watching them, I always felt Jordan was slightly taller than Barkley. They were very close.

http://i43.tinypic.com/dr4hoi.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/2v2fqmg.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2v3pra0.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/dcu8eq.jpg


At the end of the day, we're talking about fractions of an inch one way or the other. Jordan was probably technically closer to 6-5 than 6-6 and Barkley was closer to 6-5 than 6-4.

The point still stands, however, because neither guy was close to 6-8.

http://i43.tinypic.com/wsl6on.jpg
As said, 1992 Olympics:

Barkley - 6-4 and 5/8ths (6-4.63" for those who don't like fractions)

Jordan - 6-4 and 7/8ths (6-4.88" for those who don't like fractions)

That's as precise a measurement as you guys could hope to get - they are only just now starting measuring players this precisely in the NBA draft.

So yes, MJ is a smidge taller than Barkley without shoes, however it could be imperceptible the difference is so little. Both guys heights could be rounded to "6-5" or "6-4 and 3/4" It just depends on how you want to round. NEITHER of them should be rounded down to 6-4. And one can argue that they are 6-6 if you want to take the stance of their in-shoes height (which technically was never measured, but could easily be hypothesized to be in the ballpark of 6-6)

[Crystallas]

A Prime 6'8" Allen Iverson

or

A Prime 10'9" Shawn Kemp

[aj1987]

A Prime 6'8" Allen Iverson

or

A Prime 10'9" Shawn Kemp
Neither. A 12'8 and 13/23rd's Shaq would own both.

[TheBigVeto]

Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>> Wade regardless of height.

[DuMa]

I wouldnt take either of them at different heights. Their basketball legacies wouldnt improve with a larger size. Their sizes are what made them what they are.

[ILLsmak]

A 6'7 Wade is basically just Lebron James with a worse 3 point shot.

Better shot blocker. No way to tell if he'd be better at boarding, but given how hard he goes, I bet he would. So basically it's like a BETTER LeBron w/ a worse 3 point shot and worse passing/court vision.

I'm surprised not many people said 6'7 Wade. It's no contest. Legit 6'7 is huge for a SG. Wade already played bigger than nearly every SG.

-Smak

[buddha]

How about a 10 foot LeBron with little hands so he could still control the ball.

[Soundwave]

Probably Barkley. As sad as it is, a 6'8/6'9 Barkley would probably be the best center in the NBA today, forget just the PF position.

[BoutPractice]

Who the good player

6'7 wade of 6'8 barkley?

shaq who a 5'9 pg with 3pt shots or lebron who 6'5 but cant shot 3pt?

ray allen that cant not shot or dirk nowitzki that cant not shot

kobe that is 7' and really good to post but not in 3pt shot or lebron who 6'2 pg with better shoting

dwade who is 24 but cant dunk or steve nash who cant pass

lebron when he in cleveland who is 7' center with good postings shot but cant pass but has better 3pt shoting but not as good mid range shoting or boozer on utah with 3pt shots but not the good post game

michael jordan who is 6'8 with a beter 3pt shots but not as good to dunk or lebron with better shoting

...Sorry, this thread just made me think of this.

[Ikill]

If your giving them the exact same height boost who ever is better at their normal heights will be better at their new heights. Neither player is undersized there both incredibly strong and have very long arms.

[Duderonomy]

Barkley is still a huge dude, look at him in comparsion to The Rock. http://i.imgur.com/B2ZqkKk.png

[deja vu]

I'll take 8-foot Yao Ming. :lol

[clutch18]

damnn the rock look small aha

[Da KO King]

Give me Dwyane Wade. Barkley was a lazy jackass that rubbed MANY of his former teammates the wrong way.

[jzek]

Barkley

[Psycho]

:oldlol:

But hey, it's my first thread so i was kind of nervous and didn't edit it.

All in good fun though.:cheers:

Do you suck d1cks?

[RedBlackAttack]

As said, 1992 Olympics:

Barkley - 6-4 and 5/8ths (6-4.63" for those who don't like fractions)

Jordan - 6-4 and 7/8ths (6-4.88" for those who don't like fractions)

That's as precise a measurement as you guys could hope to get - they are only just now starting measuring players this precisely in the NBA draft.

So yes, MJ is a smidge taller than Barkley without shoes, however it could be imperceptible the difference is so little. Both guys heights could be rounded to "6-5" or "6-4 and 3/4" It just depends on how you want to round. NEITHER of them should be rounded down to 6-4. And one can argue that they are 6-6 if you want to take the stance of their in-shoes height (which technically was never measured, but could easily be hypothesized to be in the ballpark of 6-6)

Fair enough.

And, I still find it amazing Barkley became one of the greatest PFs of all-time being just under 6-5 without shoes. For a 2 like Jordan, that is the ideal size if you could create a SG in a lab.

For a 4? That should give some of our younger posters an idea about just how explosive he was around the rim. He made guys with a 6+ inch height advantage look bad.

[Round Mound]

[B]Barkley at 6

[buddha]

Barkley is still a huge dude, look at him in comparsion to The Rock. http://i.imgur.com/B2ZqkKk.png

No way is the Rock 6'4", he isn't an inch over 6'2"

[KyrieTheFuture]

If your giving them the exact same height boost who ever is better at their normal heights will be better at their new heights. Neither player is undersized there both incredibly strong and have very long arms.


Someone reopen the dumbest things posted on ISH thread we have a new contestant.

[CavaliersFTW]

Someone reopen the dumbest things posted on ISH thread we have a new contestant.
He's not entirely wrong - if we look at say, body mass;

Barkley 250-286lbs - that's BIG center territory. Like Wilt Chamberlain, Arvydas Sabonis, veteran Artis Gilmore territory.

Wade 210-233lbs undeniably big for a SG. His peak playing weight is actually heavier than the majority of rookie NBA centers weights including muscular ones like David Robinson.

Obviously Barkley, at "just under" 6-5 without shoes is short for a Power Forward, but Wade at 6-3.75 w/o shoes is actually within what i'd consider "normal" height range for a shooting guard. Normal height for a shooting guard in the NBA to me (whether elite or not) is anywhere from 6-2.5 w/o shoes to 6-5. If your shorter but with long wingspan, you can give up a few inches of height and still defend taller SG's like 6-2.75 Jerry West did. Heck, I don't even think 6-2.25 Russell Westbrook would be all that "undersized" as a 2-guard. But yah, height wise, you could def say Barkley is short in that dept. But we gotta remember, Barkley was HUGE in size/strength relative to his height, and though I don't know his wingspan it does look significant on film. Altogether what he lacks in height he seems to make up for in size elsewhere.

[KyrieTheFuture]

He's not entirely wrong - if we look at say, body mass;

Barkley 250-286lbs - that's BIG center territory. Like Wilt Chamberlain, Arvydas Sabonis, veteran Artis Gilmore territory.

Wade 210-233lbs undeniably big for a SG. His peak playing weight is actually heavier than the majority of rookie NBA centers weights including muscular ones like David Robinson.

Obviously Barkley, at "just under" 6-5 without shoes is short for a Power Forward, but Wade at 6-3.75 w/o shoes is actually within what i'd consider "normal" height range for a shooting guard. Normal height for a shooting guard in the NBA to me (whether elite or not) is anywhere from 6-2.5 w/o shoes to 6-5. If your shorter but with long wingspan, you can give up a few inches of height and still defend taller SG's like 6-2.75 Jerry West did. Heck, I don't even think 6-2.25 Russell Westbrook would be all that "undersized" as a 2-guard. But yah, height wise, you could def say Barkley is short in that dept. But we gotta remember, Barkley was HUGE in size/strength relative to his height, and though I don't know his wingspan it does look significant on film. Altogether what he lacks in height he seems to make up for in size elsewhere.

I can buy most of this, but how many other elite 6'5 PF's have there been? Wade...okay I'll take that he's on the smaller side but if he weren't so athletic his height would make a larger difference. He's not your traditional jump shooting SG. Height matters way more in the NBA it's shocking that Chuck and Wade are as athletic as they are since they're heavier than everyone else.

[CavaliersFTW]

I can buy most of this, but how many other elite 6'5 PF's have there been? Wade...okay I'll take that he's on the smaller side but if he weren't so athletic his height would make a larger difference. He's not your traditional jump shooting SG
There aren't many players I know of at ~ that height that played PF but I can name 2. One of them was sort of "elite" (or nearly so). Post-knee-injury Elgin Baylor in the late 60's after the Lakers traded Rudy LaRusso - Elgin (6-5 w/o shoes) slid to the 4 and Tommy Hawkins (6-4.5 w/o shoes) slid to the 3. Baylor still put up his typical all-star level numbers despite being at the 4. At that time, they were not as relatively good as Barkleys numbers, but still, Baylor was all-star level while playing at 4. The other guy I know of is http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Maxiell-419/. 6-5 is definitely small for a PF. You gotta be very strong, long or clever, or bulky or something to offset being 6-5 to play a PF in the NBA. Baylor at 236lbs was as heavy as most PF's in the 60's, and Maxiell and Barkley are obviously even bigger yet, and look at Maxiells wingspan - I wonder if Barkleys was long like that too.

*EDIT* Another one would be Gus Johnson, he was the best defensive forward of his time, and a perennial All-star as well. Still I agree, 6-5 is short for any PF.

[LAZERUSS]

Barkley was simply one-of-a-kind. To win a rebounding title, at 6-5, as well as well as average 23 ppg on .594 shooting was just incredible.

As a sidenote, one of the greatest "post-up" players of all-time, was also only 6-5. Adrian Dantley seldom shot from more than 15 ft., and yet put together several seasons of 30 ppg and on FG%'s as high as .580.

[Ikill]

Someone reopen the dumbest things posted on ISH thread we have a new contestant.
There not undersized length is more important than height and both of them have very good length.

[KyrieTheFuture]

There aren't many players I know of at ~ that height that played PF but I can name 2. One of them was sort of "elite" (or nearly so). Post-knee-injury Elgin Baylor in the late 60's after the Lakers traded Rudy LaRusso - Elgin (6-5 w/o shoes) slid to the 4 and Tommy Hawkins (6-4.5 w/o shoes) slid to the 3. Baylor still put up his typical all-star level numbers despite being at the 4. At that time, they were not as relatively good as Barkleys numbers, but still, Baylor was all-star level while playing at 4. The other guy I know of is http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jason-Maxiell-419/. 6-5 is definitely small for a PF. You gotta be very strong, long or clever, or bulky or something to offset being 6-5 to play a PF in the NBA. Baylor at 236lbs was as heavy as most PF's in the 60's, and Maxiell and Barkley are obviously even bigger yet, and look at Maxiells wingspan - I wonder if Barkleys was long like that too.

*EDIT* Another one would be Gus Johnson, he was the best defensive forward of his time, and a perennial All-star as well. Still I agree, 6-5 is short for any PF.

God I love how much you know about the NBA's history :cheers: did not know Elgin was that small. Always saw him as 6' 7" when I imagined him playing for whatever reason.

[LAZERUSS]

God I love how much you know about the NBA's history :cheers: did not know Elgin was that small. Always saw him as 6' 7" when I imagined him playing for whatever reason.

Baylor was always listed at 6-5. Unlike so many of the "modern" players, who were much shorter than their "listed" heights.

[Round Mound]

[B]Elgin was a SF NOT a PF. He Did Not Play The Post Like Charles Did.

Here is a Video of 6

[Ikill]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Elgin was a SF NOT a PF. He Did Not Play The Post Like Charles Did.

Here is a Video of 6

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]Elgin was a SF NOT a PF. He Did Not Play The Post Like Charles Did.

Here is a Video of 6

[ralph_i_el]

would this 6'7" Dwade have a 7'3" wingspan? Because he's already dealing with a longer wingspan than most 6'7" guys.

6'8" chuck is putting up 15+ rpg for 10 years

[CavaliersFTW]

would this 6'7" Dwade have a 7'3" wingspan? Because he's already dealing with a longer wingspan than most 6'7" guys.

6'8" chuck is putting up 15+ rpg for 10 years
If Wade went from 6-3.75 w/o shoes to 6-7 w/o shoes (a ~4.3% increase in height) than he would have a 7 foot 1.75 inch wingspan (4.3% more lengh than his 6-10.25 wingspan). Using cube law for 3 dimensional objects, his body mass (assuming he is at his typical 230lbs at his current height) would baloon up to 259.67lbs. He'd basically rival Lebron as a physical specimen.

All these things would apply to Barkley too. Barkley had an impressive wingspan as well. I don't know any meaurements of it but you can see on film the guy had long arms. His body mass would be in Shaq territory. His weight at 6-4.75 was 250-286lbs. At 6-8 (a height increase of 4.2%) his body mass using the cube law would then range from 282lbs-322lbs.

[TheTenth]

Barkley was simply one-of-a-kind. To win a rebounding title, at 6-5, as well as well as average 23 ppg on .594 shooting was just incredible.

As a sidenote, one of the greatest "post-up" players of all-time, was also only 6-5. Adrian Dantley seldom shot from more than 15 ft., and yet put together several seasons of 30 ppg and on FG%'s as high as .580.
Dantley is another one of the underrated legends. Do you know of any useful books/websites to learn about him?