LeBron James wins MVP

[Shade8780]

The NBA on ESPN ‏@ESPNNBA 31s
Sources: LeBron James to be named MVP for fourth time -- http://es.pn/16Ad0kJ

[SAKOTXA]

Didn't see this one coming....

[b1imtf]

Didn't see this one coming....
Yup, I'm very surprised

[Ballin095]

Didn't see this one coming....

Me neither man. I'm so shocked!!

[LikeABosh]

Whaaaaaaat?!?! :eek: :eek:

[chosen_wun]

Just 3 more to go and he passes Kareem and MJ's award totals.:applause:

[Bandito]

You don't say?

[TylerOO]

Hell yea. Congrats to LeGod

[imnew09]

ooh shyt Lebron won MVP?

you don't say...

[jzek]

Next year, even though LBJ is still the best player KD wil win the award because the voters will AGAIN be tired of giving it to LBJ almost every year. :facepalm

So it looks like KD next year and then LBJ again in 2015.

[All Net]

Question is did he get every first place vote?

[TylerOO]

Question is did he get every first place vote?

Some dickhead probably put Durant at 1 or something

[unbreakable]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:

[chosen_wun]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/206/961/KareemWorthyMagic_display_image.jpg?1313730490

[r15mohd]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:


well the modern era dates back to the late 19th and 20th century doesnt it...so basically all of the ABA and NBA included hmmm :confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:
Bill Russell has 5 of them and played with 6 Hall of Famers.

[pauk]

4 of the last 5 MVPs.... and its not even close to over yet....

[Mr. Incredible]

Should just name the award after him at this point

[Real Men Wear Green]

Should just name the award after him at this point
I don't think he'll match MJ in rings (and you can forget Russell there completely) but I think I'd bet money on him setting a new record for MVPs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

well the modern era dates back to the late 19th and 20th century doesnt it...so basically all of the ABA and NBA included hmmm :confusedshrug:


Brb going to watch some clips of 19th century ABA & NBA...

[daj0264]

undeservingly

[pauk]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:

Actually in any era its like that, especially in the older eras..... unfortunately everybody watch games (except you i guess) and can see what that player has to do in order for his team to win, it all unfortunately has to translate to team success.... if not then its just "empty stats"...

[pauk]

undeservingly

Hah!! Who deserved it more then? This will be very interesting.... Kobe right?

[daj0264]

Hah!! Who deserved it more then? This will be very interesting....


without durant okc wouldnt even be a playoff team whereas miami would still win 50+ games

[Psileas]

Just 3 more to go and he passes Kareem and MJ's award totals.:applause:

Kareem's actually. MJ has 5.

[NumberSix]

Should be 5 straight.

[Nash]

Next year, even though LBJ is still the best player KD wil win the award because the voters will AGAIN be tired of giving it to LBJ almost every year. :facepalm

So it looks like KD next year and then LBJ again in 2015.
No, they'll never justify it. As long as Miami have a better record they won't. If Lebron keeps shooting around 55% while keep up the 27/7/7 Durant won't win.

[fpliii]

Damn, he's up there with Wilt and Dr. J in MVPs already...crazy stuff.

[Real Men Wear Green]

without durant okc wouldnt even be a playoff team whereas miami would still win 50+ games
They'd still have Westbrook. I'm not sure that's a playoff team because it's impossible to be sure but they'd be close. Besides, Miami was the best team in the league. How is a team supposed to be great if they don't surround their star with talent? It's not like OKC doesn't have a good roster. These critiques don't make sense.

[TylerOO]

They'd still have Westbrook. I'm not sure that's a playoff team because it's impossible to be sure but they'd be close. Besides, Miami was the best team in the league. How is a team supposed to be great if they don't surround their star with talent? It's not like OKC doesn't have a good roster. These critiques don't make sense.

Typical ISH

[pegasus]

Hah!! Who deserved it more then? This will be very interesting.... Kobe right?
It took you 2 minutes to remember that your original post was lacking in Kobe-hate? You're slowing down. Is the rest of your body trying to catch up with your brain or what?

[jzek]

4 of the last 5 MVPs.... and its not even close to over yet....

LBJ won't win next year. Voters will give it to Durant. LBJ will get it again in 2015.

[Fox]

Inb4 butthurt LeBron haters.

[daj0264]

Hah!! Who deserved it more then? This will be very interesting.... Kobe right?


kobe is worse than lebron

[NumberSix]

LBJ won't win next year. Voters will give it to Durant. LBJ will get it again in 2015.
I don't know man. I didn't think LeBron could get better than he was last season, but he somehow did. I'm not gonna assume he can't improve again.

Watch this dude shoot 62% next season and win DPOY and MVP. Dude is unreal.

[ripthekik]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.

[Fox]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.http://i.imgur.com/Bh4CvHm.gif

[TylerOO]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma3vgk138j1qzihejo1_500.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

They'd still have Westbrook. I'm not sure that's a playoff team because it's impossible to be sure but they'd be close. Besides, Miami was the best team in the league. How is a team supposed to be great if they don't surround their star with talent? It's not like OKC doesn't have a good roster. These critiques don't make sense.


If you take Westbrook off of OKC and you take Wade of off MIami, and you don't replace either player, who's got the better team around their superstar?

[fos]

More shocking than the story about Brittney Griner eating *****.

[Rose'sACL]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.


If you take Westbrook off of OKC and you take Wade of off MIami, and you don't replace either player, who's got the better team around their superstar?


http://i.imgur.com/V8IM8zm.jpg

[Teanett]

oh shit. that means melo's gonna take 42 shots tonight :banghead: to prove a point.

[pegasus]

More shocking than the story about Brittney Griner eating *****.
Well, this is about Lebron's pu$sy being eaten by the media as usual, so it is less shocking.

[chosen_wun]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.
http://generatormeme.com/media/created/yt1rzw.jpg

[Nash]

Same reason he wins the ring this year: lack of competition, injuries, and other teams not being as stacked.

If durant got a team as stacked as lebron, he would easily get the MVP as well.
"Lack of competition" :roll: :roll:

First of all, there is lack of competition because Lebron is so much better than everyone else.

Second, Durant is averaging 28/8/4 while shooting 51%. At any other year he would be MVP.

Also, make up your mind. Sometimes you say Lebron shouldn't get it because he's in a stacked team and now you say being stacked wins you MVP?

You're losing the plot, rip.

[chosen_wun]

Well, this is about Lebron's pu$sy being eaten by the media as usual, so it is less shocking.
http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg

[Rose'sACL]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg
this one is funny.

[HomieWeMajor]

And the fanboys buss their nuts
Congrats to Lebron though

[Crafty]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[DaSeba5]

I came in here just to see all the upset people. The same people didn't disappoint.

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[pegasus]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg
How would you feel if someone bumped that picture if/when Lebron got injured one of these days? You know it will eventually happen, right? What are you gonna do then? Jump on another bandwagon and get a new account?

[Real Men Wear Green]

If you take Westbrook off of OKC and you take Wade of off MIami, and you don't replace either player, who's got the better team around their superstar?
The best player of the remaining is Bosh but after him the next 3 or 4 are all Thunder. I'm not sure.

[NumberSix]

Well, this is about Lebron's pu$sy being eaten by the media as usual, so it is less shocking.
Chicago huh? Da fux are you doing on the internet? Shouldn't you be out murdering innocent children?

[Mr Clutch Melo]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg
:cheers:

[pegasus]

Chicago huh? Da fux are you doing on the internet? Shouldn't you be out murdering innocent children?
So your ignorance has no boundaries, unlike Lebron's hairline.

[Rose'sACL]

Chicago huh? Da fux are you doing on the internet? Shouldn't you be out murdering innocent children?
They also make pie and call it "pizza". pic related:
http://www.passion-4-pizza.com/images/chicago_pie.jpg

Nothing better than a slice of tomato pie with a side of gang violence

[TheMarkMadsen]

The best player of the remaining is Bosh but after him the next 3 or 4 are all Thunder. I'm not sure.


I agree with the best remaining player being Bosh, I'd say the the 2nd best remaining player is Ibaka..

From there i'd take Ray Allen over Kevin Martin, Chalmers over reggie Jackson, Battier over Thabo although it's close but IMO they cancel each other out defensively while Battier is the better shooter.

I'd say Perkins & Haslem are a toss up, even though Haslem isn't a player who will negatively impact your team while on the court, which sometimes happens to Perk if the other team is going small.

[NumberSix]

They also make pie and call it "pizza". pic related:
http://www.passion-4-pizza.com/images/chicago_pie.jpg

Nothing better than a slice of tomato pie with a side of gang violence
http://www.hiphopmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1230-200x200.jpg

[HEAT111]

Congrats to Lebron! Just two more to tie Kareem.

[Burgz V2]

only in the modern era can the best player on the most stacked team of all time win the mvp :facepalm:

If you don't think he deserves the MVP because of how good his teammates are then Shaq, MJ, Duncan, Magic, Kareem, Bird should all give back their trophies I guess?

Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just a moron.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I agree with the best remaining player being Bosh, I'd say the the 2nd best remaining player is Ibaka..

From there i'd take Ray Allen over Kevin Martin, Chalmers over reggie Jackson, Battier over Thabo although it's close but IMO they cancel each other out defensively while Battier is the better shooter.

I'd say Perkins & Haslem are a toss up, even though Haslem isn't a player who will negatively impact your team while on the court, which sometimes happens to Perk if the other team is going small.
Ray Allen can't handle major minutes. I'd take him in the clutch over Martin but if he had to average 30 mpg he wouldn't last the whole year. Sefolosha actually has better stats than Battier (they are close though).

[chosen_wun]

If you don't think he deserves the MVP because of how good his teammates are then Shaq, MJ, Duncan, Magic, Kareem, Bird should all give back their trophies I guess?

Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just a moron.
Like seriously...Kareem and Magic are both GOAT caliber players and they played TOGETHER lol.

There is literally nothing the haters can do to discredit LeBron's team.

[EnoughSaid]

Congrats to the best player in the game today! Now in elite company and I honestly see him getting 2-3 more. Hopefully him and D-Wade put it together again and close out this title. :rockon:

[#number6ix#]

Congrats to lebron... The king reigns supreme for another year!!!!!

[hybridLB]

Breaking: Lebron James wins MVP for the year 2013/2014..



..and 2014/2015....


..and.....


you guys should be used to it by now.. :applause:

[ripthekik]

Also, make up your mind. Sometimes you say Lebron shouldn't get it because he's in a stacked team and now you say being stacked wins you MVP?

You're losing the plot, rip.
What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:

[NumberSix]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/28099585.jpg

[Sakkreth]

So many haters, be thankful that u can watch futures all-time top5 player.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:

I ask once again, why has this dumb ass not been banned?

[LilEddyCurry]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:
So lets give it to the best player in the league ok? I wonder who that is :rolleyes:

[chosen_wun]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:
This guy is just grasping for straws at this point.

He's one of those guys who thought the Decision to join Wade and Bosh would put an end to everything.:oldlol:

LeBron is so great he transcends all of that bullshit. One day you will bow down and just accept what you are witnessing is great, till then keep making excuses clown.:cheers:

#4

[LikeABosh]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:
Lebron is also the best player, best stats, most valuable by any metric. Please tell me who you believe the MVP is and make a case for him. Did Lebron also only win those 2 MVPs in Cleveland because of how "stacked" his team was? :roll:

[TheReal Kendall]

The MVP is officially a joke award. Congrats Lebron!:cheers:

[NumberSix]

I ask once again, why has this dumb ass not been banned?
This. If he was just biased, that would be ok, but he's not. He's just an idiot troll.

[ripthekik]

Lebron is also the best player, best stats, most valuable by any metric. Please tell me who you believe the MVP is and make a case for him. Did Lebron also only win those 2 MVPs in Cleveland because of how "stacked" his team was? :roll:
Before I answer you, put on a Lakers avatar. Then we'll talk.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292247

[wakencdukest]

I got no problem with it. Congratulations LeBron.

[Unbiased_one]

I agree with the best remaining player being Bosh, I'd say the the 2nd best remaining player is Ibaka..

From there i'd take Ray Allen over Kevin Martin, Chalmers over reggie Jackson, Battier over Thabo although it's close but IMO they cancel each other out defensively while Battier is the better shooter.

I'd say Perkins & Haslem are a toss up, even though Haslem isn't a player who will negatively impact your team while on the court, which sometimes happens to Perk if the other team is going small.

Why does it make sense to ignore westbrook and wade?...as these playoffs have showed, westbrook makes a much bigger contribution nowadays that wade.

[PJR]

Well deserved. Should be unanimous.

[AlphaWolf24]

Best player on the best regular season team....

Just like in Cleveland...

duh!

[LikeABosh]

Before I answer you, put on a Lakers avatar. Then we'll talk.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292247
Nope/ The guy rejected the bet because I was a "bum". Nice try dodging my question.

[Unbiased_one]

What? those statements do not contradict, dumbass.
Lebron's going to get it because he's in a stacked team, yet he shouldn't be getting it.

Hard to understand? Like I said, give Durant a stacked team and he'll win it. The MVP is officially a team award. It is a media voted team award.

Basically, Lebron, congrats for being voted by the media for having the best team. :applause:

lebron won last year on a second seed :confusedshrug:

(also kobe got mvp consideration on an 8th seed this year...despite not even beng clearly the best player on his team). Durant has shown that he's quite capable of getting knocked out of the playoffs first round without westbrook. Last year, he had 3 players all of whom are in the top 5 in the LEAGUE in win shares this season. That's stacked.

[KG215]

The best player of the remaining is Bosh but after him the next 3 or 4 are all Thunder. I'm not sure.
Eh, that's debatable. Like you said, Bosh is better than Ibaka. After that, I'd say Ray is better than Martin, or at least his equal. Martin is wildly inconsistent and at least Ray can create and get his own shot off the bounce from time to time.

The Chalmers/Cole PG combo is probably a little better than Reggie/Fisher, although Fisher has been surprisingly good in the playoffs, and Reggie has done a pretty good job of filling in; or at least he's doing as well as one could reasonably expect.

Then, who, Battier and Thabo? I mean that's probably a push. Both can be somewhat inconsistent 3P shooters who provide great defense. I think Thabo is the better defender, so if they're both making 3's at the same rate, I'd probably take Thabo, but you could make a case for Battier.

Chris Anderson definitely gets the nod over Perkins (by a lot going by how he's playing in the playoffs), and I'd take Collison over Haslem.

Point being, after Durant/Ibaka and LeBron/Bosh, I'd probably take the Heat's 3-8 guys over OKC's. It's definitely arguable, but the Heat have better, more consistent shooters to spread the floor than the Thunder.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Congrats, well deserved.

[ripthekik]

real man wear green had to delete my thread which was backed with facts and logic again. :rolleyes:


Just want to discuss this. Basically the best player on the team with the best NBA record will win the MVP right? So what it is based on, is actually the best team. Therefore isn't it a team award?

Look at this example:
1) Best NBA player joined by sub-par role players: 5th seed
2) Top 2, 3, 4 NBA players joined one team: 1st seed with best record

So the MVP goes to that Top 2 player who got the best stats in the best team right?

So this award basically tells you who has the best stacked team in the regular season. So let me get this straight.. isn't it actually better to have less MVP and more rings... because that means you took an unstacked team to the championship?

The other way around.. lots of MVP's with no rings.. that means you had a stacked team but always chocked and never won in the playoffs.

Makes sense?

FACT: it is given to the best player on the best team.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore it is a team award.

Actually some of you including heat fans agreed with this statement in the thread that was just deleted by lebronfanmod. So I guess we're in agreement.

[TylerOO]

real man wear green had to delete my thread which was backed with facts and logic again. :rolleyes:



FACT: it is given to the best player on the best team.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore it is a team award.

Actually some of you including heat fans agreed with this statement in the thread that was just deleted by lebronfanmod. So I guess we're in agreement.

FACT: LeBron is the best player in the league by far

[Unbiased_one]

real man wear green had to delete my thread which was backed with facts and logic again. :rolleyes:



FACT: it is given to the best player on the best team.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore it is a team award.

Actually some of you including heat fans agreed with this statement in the thread that was just deleted by lebronfanmod. So I guess we're in agreement.

FACT: you are an idiot.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore you are an idiot.

[Theoo]

real man wear green had to delete my thread which was backed with facts and logic again. :rolleyes:



FACT: it is given to the best player on the best team.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore it is a team award.

Actually some of you including heat fans agreed with this statement in the thread that was just deleted by lebronfanmod. So I guess we're in agreement.
yah lerbron would not win to these award if the were just 4 or 6 seed so it is a small aprt a team awards is true. but mvp is still one bigge award to win to these league and he was obvious best to the season so it dont not matter

[ripthekik]

FACT: LeBron is the best player in the league by far
Lebron james is the best player on the best team.

This i do not disagree with, and this is why he gets the mvp. It's a team award.

[TylerOO]

Lebron james is the best player on the best team.

This i do not disagree with, and this is why he gets the mvp. It's a team award.

Keep living in denial little guy

[ripthekik]

yah lerbron would not win to these award if the were just 4 or 6 seed so it is a small aprt a team awards is true. but mvp is still one bigge award to win to these league and he was obvious best to the season so it dont not matter
Theoo you are right. If Lebron james played at his same level this year and ended up with 4th or 6th seed, would he get MVP? No.

The best player on the best team gets it instead.

[chosen_wun]

real man wear green had to delete my thread which was backed with facts and logic again. :rolleyes:



FACT: it is given to the best player on the best team.
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this. Therefore it is a team award.

Actually some of you including heat fans agreed with this statement in the thread that was just deleted by lebronfanmod. So I guess we're in agreement.
So Iverson had the best team in 2001 ? Nash in 2006 ?:rolleyes:

Or they change the criteria every year ?:oldlol:

[Unbiased_one]

yah lerbron would not win to these award if the were just 4 or 6 seed so it is a small aprt a team awards is true. but mvp is still one bigge award to win to these league and he was obvious best to the season so it dont not matter

To be honest, lebron has in the past led pretty bad teams to the one seed, so it's not really a realistic scenario that he would be on a 4 or 6 seed. That's why he's mvp...

[BBallZen83]

Lebron james is the best player on the best team.

This i do not disagree with, and this is why he gets the mvp. It's a team award.
Come on rip, all you do is rip on lebron. Your name fits. Lebron is unquestionably the best in the league right now. You can argue with reality, but that won't change it's course. Other players from opposing teams have given him praise on numerous occasions this year, saying things like he is just on another level, and there is nothing you can do against him. If other players from other teams, who have a reason to be pissed, can begrudgingly give him his dues, why can't you??

[ripthekik]

So Iverson had the best team in 2001 ? Nash in 2006 ?:rolleyes:

Or they change the criteria every year ?:oldlol:
So why did they get it? You tell me then.

Is it because those players are of major importance to their team.. and if their team is missing that player, they will drop off tremendously?

If so.... tell me why Lebron's a MVP?

[All Net]

Theoo you are right. If Lebron james played at his same level this year and ended up with 4th or 6th seed, would he get MVP? No.

The best player on the best team gets it instead.

Record is why Rose won it...his stats weren't as good as Lebron's. His team was a surprise story.

[ripthekik]

Come on rip, all you do is rip on lebron. Your name fits. Lebron is unquestionably the best in the league right now. You can argue with reality, but that won't change it's course. Other players from opposing teams have given him praise on numerous occasions this year, saying things like he is just on another level, and there is nothing you can do against him. If other players from other teams, who have a reason to be pissed, can begrudgingly give him his dues, why can't you??
Of course. I am congratulating him.

Congrats Lebron.

There ya go.
I was just clearing up the fact about the MVP. I think it's pretty clear that MOST of the time, it goes to the best player on the best team. OTHER times, it goes to the most valuable player who, if taken off the team, will affect the team negatively in a huge way.

I think I just summed up the MVP award pretty well.

[ripthekik]

Record is why Rose won it...his stats weren't as good as Lebron's. His team was a surprise story.
Yes. So team + record does play a HUGE role in the MVP award. I think people are starting to see this more clearly now?

MOST of the time = best player on best team = team award
Other times = most valuable to team = valuable player award

[#number6ix#]

Lebron the best player in the league and his team is the best because he's on the team=MVP

[BBallZen83]

Of course. I am congratulating him.

Congrats Lebron.

There ya go.
I was just clearing up the fact about the MVP. I think it's pretty clear that MOST of the time, it goes to the best player on the best team. OTHER times, it goes to the most valuable player who, if taken off the team, will affect the team negatively in a huge way.

I think I just summed up the MVP award pretty well.
It's the leauge MVP, it goes to the best player in the league. Now if the best player in the league plays on a shit team that doesnt make the playoffs, then yeah they will give it to a player on a higher seeded team. But how often does an mvp player play on an absolute shit team? If Durant had a better season or parker, they would have gotten it, but they didnt. Lebron was the best player this year whether he was in the one seed or the 4th or 5th.

[Unbiased_one]

So why did they get it? You tell me then.

Is it because those players are of major importance to their team.. and if their team is missing that player, they will drop off tremendously?

If so.... tell me why Lebron's a MVP?

DO you think the jordan never should have won an mvp because his team won 55 games and damn near made the finals without him?

Tell me something...how many wins do you think the heat would get if lebron had missed the entire season due to injury?

Some points to consider: Wade is obviously capable of leading a good team. Bost is also pretty good. The heat have lots of good role players.

Others: Who knows whether wade's body could hold up? Could bosh and the role players still make shots without all the open looks lebron makes? They are a very old team and some old guys would have to play major minutes. Lebron is historically great player at both ends.

[chosen_wun]

So why did they get it? You tell me then.

Is it because those players are of major importance to their team.. and if their team is missing that player, they will drop off tremendously?

If so.... tell me why Lebron's a MVP?
Well those guys turn playoff teams into contenders, LeBron turns contenders into title favorites/locks.

Same theory, except LeBron's standard is greater.

[ripthekik]

It's the leauge MVP, it goes to the best player in the league. Now if the best player in the league plays on a shit team that doesnt make the playoffs, then yeah they will give it to a player on a higher seeded team. But how often does an mvp player play on an absolute shit team? If Durant had a better season or parker, they would have gotten it, but they didnt. Lebron was the best player this year whether he was in the one seed or the 4th or 5th.
Do you think Lebron would have gotten it as a 5th seed? I think absolutely no chance.. even if he plays at his current level. They would've given it to Durant if he puts up the same numbers, and has either 1/2 seed right?

[Noob Saibot]

In the wise words of Raiden. LeBron is the "Chosen One"

[Unbiased_one]

Do you think Lebron would have gotten it as a 5th seed? I think absolutely no chance.. even if he plays at his current level. They would've given it to Durant if he puts up the same numbers, and has either 1/2 seed right?

kind of the point is is that if lebron plays at this level his team will get a high seed no matter who his teammates are. He showed that in cleveland.

[All Net]

Yes. So team + record does play a HUGE role in the MVP award. I think people are starting to see this more clearly now?

MOST of the time = best player on best team = team award
Other times = most valuable to team = valuable player award

Of course it is but different voters have different reasons. Record is a must in winning it no matter what...there's a reason Kobe was never considered the year he averaged 35 a game.

[hawke812]

Does he have a post game yet?

[ripthekik]

kind of the point is is that if lebron plays at this level his team will get a high seed no matter who his teammates are. He showed that in cleveland.
I agree with that, here I'm not arguing Lebron. I'm arguing MVP.

If the best player, say Lebron, did what he did this year on a 5th seed team (imagine a team without Wade and Bosh, and major injuries). Would he get MVP over Durant, who did not play as well as Lebron, but still got 1/2 seed?

No right? So you see the point? It's pretty clear, the MVP factors in TEAM ahead of anything else.

On some rare years, it goes for the valuable player- AI, Nash etc. But most of the time it is team-first.

[BBallZen83]

Do you think Lebron would have gotten it as a 5th seed? I think absolutely no chance.. even if he plays at his current level. They would've given it to Durant if he puts up the same numbers, and has either 1/2 seed right?
I dont know man... The reality is if you watch him play, he is just the best right now. He affects the game in every way. You seem like a reasonable dude with some of the things you say. Like people were giving Jordan crap the other day for getting married, and you made a point that he is older and probably wants to settle down and find true love. Totally reasonable post, and shows that you seem like a reasonable, good person in most respects. But then you have this hatred of Lebron, that borders on obbsession. I don't get it. Just enjoy his game while he plays. It makes watching the sport more fun if you do.

[ripthekik]

I dont know man... The reality is if you watch him play, he is just the best right now. He affects the game in every way. You seem like a reasonable dude with some of the things you say. Like people were giving Jordan crap the other day for getting married, and you made a point that he is older and probably wants to settle down and find true love. Totally reasonable post, and shows that you seem like a reasonable, good person in most respects. But then you have this hatred of Lebron, that borders on obbsession. I don't get it. Just enjoy his game while he plays. It makes watching the sport more fun if you do.
:cheers:
I do agree Lebron is the number 1 player in the league right now. Have always said that. In this thread I was just talking about the MVP, its definitions and criteria. How it puts more importance on team than anything else - even possibly above best player. I thought it was interesting and put it forward in a thread about MVP, but of course i'll get attacked.

[Lebron23]

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[d.bball.guy]

:eek: Only idiots would have thought he would win.

[chosen_wun]

Wilt Chamberlain has..

2 rings

4 MVPs

hmmmm...

[hawke812]

Wilt Chamberlain has..

2 rings

4 MVPs

hmmmm...

And a post game.

[Soundwave]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/yt1rzw.jpg

LeBronbe

[Solefade]

This. If he was just biased, that would be ok, but he's not. He's just an idiot troll.



Can we start a petition for this?

[leMVP]

:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Solefade]

Eh, that's debatable. Like you said, Bosh is better than Ibaka. After that, I'd say Ray is better than Martin, or at least his equal. Martin is wildly inconsistent and at least Ray can create and get his own shot off the bounce from time to time.

The Chalmers/Cole PG combo is probably a little better than Reggie/Fisher, although Fisher has been surprisingly good in the playoffs, and Reggie has done a pretty good job of filling in; or at least he's doing as well as one could reasonably expect.

Then, who, Battier and Thabo? I mean that's probably a push. Both can be somewhat inconsistent 3P shooters who provide great defense. I think Thabo is the better defender, so if they're both making 3's at the same rate, I'd probably take Thabo, but you could make a case for Battier.

Chris Anderson definitely gets the nod over Perkins (by a lot going by how he's playing in the playoffs), and I'd take Collison over Haslem.

Point being, after Durant/Ibaka and LeBron/Bosh, I'd probably take the Heat's 3-8 guys over OKC's. It's definitely arguable, but the Heat have better, more consistent shooters to spread the floor than the Thunder.

Good post but the Thunder core have been together for much longer, no one would have said that the Heat had a better squad than them last year, especially with Bosh out of the playoffs and Wade hurt for basically the entire playoffs. LeBron's championship run last year should have silenced all of his critics but haters are still transcending bullshit to try to discredit him.

[Solefade]

So why did they get it? You tell me then.

Is it because those players are of major importance to their team.. and if their team is missing that player, they will drop off tremendously?

If so.... tell me why Lebron's a MVP?


There's no set criteria for MVP, sometimes it's the best player on the best team, sometimes it's not. The point is, who has played better individually than LeBron while getting the W's this season?


Ripthekik GTFO already. You get flamed literally everyday.

[BlackVVaves]

If you don't think he deserves the MVP because of how good his teammates are then Shaq, MJ, Duncan, Magic, Kareem, Bird should all give back their trophies I guess?

Nah, I'm pretty sure you're just a moron.

:facepalm Shaq? Shaq had Kobe and then perennial role players, at BEST.

Did you just call the 2002 and 2003 Spurs stacked?!!:roll:

Good god, some of you really don't try to hide that you didn't watch basketball pre-2003.

[alenleomessi]

congrats to the 2nd greatest player ever :rockon:

enjoy him while you can :bowdown:

[BlackVVaves]

Oh yea, congrats Lebron. Well deserved.

Rip, through your incoherent jargon, there's a small, insignificant portion of what you're saying that I agree with. Problem is, you've got the wrong year buddy. The whole media propaganda thing would apply to 2001 (Shaq), 2006 (Kobe), 2011 (Dwight or Wade), and a few years in the 90s where voter fatigue prevented MJ from walking away with more MVPs.

Those in parenthesis are the players who should have won MVP because they were individually the best player in the league, independent of record, season storyline, or media driven assessments.

But this year? Yeah, ESPN has Lebron's ******* filling the insides of their jaw, but so what? That doesn't change the fact that he's the best player in the league. All your points about stacked team or KD this or that is trivial because, right now this very second, Lebron is a better player than KD. And, that can't even be disputed after this season.

Sorry, chap.

[Solefade]

:facepalm Shaq? Shaq had Kobe and then perennial role players, at BEST.

Did you just call the 2002 and 2003 Spurs stacked?!!:roll:

Good god, some of you really don't try to hide that you didn't watch basketball pre-2003.


Are you discrediting Big shot bob, D. Fish, Rick Fox, and B. Shaw?


Yes these guys were role players but they were very good ones and they were all clutch as hell.

[NASH = BEST]

This was no surprise, personally I don't understand what the criteria is to winning this award.

Is it a "Best player of the year" award, or "Most valuable player to their team" award?

LeBron def wins it for being the best player on the planet, but the best player hasn't always won it.

I also think that the Thunder are worse off without Durant than the Heat are without LeBron, so does that make Durant more valuable than LeBron?

I guess its just a media award so no logic is used when voting.

[NumberSix]

This was no surprise, personally I don't understand what the criteria is to winning this award.

Is it a "Best player of the year" award, or "Most valuable player to their team" award?

LeBron def wins it for being the best player on the planet, but the best player hasn't always won it.

I also think that the Thunder are worse off without Durant than the Heat are without LeBron, so does that make Durant more valuable than LeBron?

I guess its just a media award so no logic is used when voting.
It's not an award for who's the most valuable on the thunder. It's who's the most valuable player in the entire NBA.

[chosen_one6]

Only 5 players in the history of the NBA have won at least 4 MVP's...

MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and now LeBron.

Let's stop being trolls and realize that LeBron is going to go down as one of the top 10 greatest of all time RIGHT NOW and with a couple more rings will be top 5.

[NASH = BEST]

It's not an award for who's the most valuable on the thunder. It's who's the most valuable player in the entire NBA.


What makes LeBron the most valuable player in the entire NBA, how do you measure that, through stats?

Having superior stats could be do to having a superior team around you, so I don't agree with it if its just cause of stats.

No doubt LeBron is the best player on the face of the earth, but was he of more value to the Heat than Durant was to the Thunder?

[Hoopz2332]

http://generatormeme.com/media/created/t7zb27.jpg


:oldlol:

[Bandito]

Are you discrediting Big shot bob, D. Fish, Rick Fox, and B. Shaw?


Yes these guys were role players but they were very good ones and they were all clutch as hell.
Why are most april 2013 members morons? For the exception of Rick Fox for his years before he became a Laker most of those people were considered scrubs by everyone. They could play a role and that was it. They were not even Heat role players good. Horry is not even close to how good Allen is. Fish does not compare to how good Chalmers is. And Rick Fox is as good as Battier is right now except Battier has a btter 3 point shot.:facepalm

[Hoopz2332]

Fish does not compare to how good Chalmers is. And Rick Fox is as good as Battier is right now except Battier has a btter 3 point shot.:facepalm


Fisher is one of the clutchest playoff performers ever. Do you realize how many times he saved the Lakers?:coleman:

[BlackVVaves]

Are you discrediting Big shot bob, D. Fish, Rick Fox, and B. Shaw?


Yes these guys were role players but they were very good ones and they were all clutch as hell.

If having role players makes you a "stacked team," then this league's been riddled with stacked teams, year after year, for 90% of teams.

The '87 Lakers were stacked. The '08 Celtics were stacked. The 2000 Lakers were not stacked. They had two very dominant players who wrecked havoc on the league and an array of role players who hit very important shots in the playoffs. But, they were not stacked.

[maybeshewill13]

I thought this happened already? :confusedshrug:

[Bandito]

Fisher is one of the clutchest playoff performers ever. Do you realize how many times he saved the Lakers?:coleman:
How many times did he now?

Did you know the Lakers were knows for the opposite teams pg to have career nights on them? Why do you think that was? Derek ****ing Fisher that's who. That I remember he only had that Spurs .04 shot and the Magic two clutch shots. What else did he do except give an a red carpet welcome to the hoop to Tony Parker in that same series he made that miracle shot? If it wasn't because of him maybe tey wouldn't be in that hole to begin with.:facepalm

I am not hating on the guy but don't compare him to Ray Allen or Battier or even Chalmers for christ sakes.

[willds09]

tha NBA is a joke... kobe has 1 mvp but lebron 4 which is tied up with mj??????? mj deserved his 6 rings, kobe deserved his 5 rings while lebron was given 1 ring. Something dont add up:facepalm

[whippyAU]

Congrats to Lelbron, truly one of a kind :applause:

[Trollsmasher]

What a massive denial by ripthekik in this thread. I am not going to act like I wasn't expecting it. And of course he gets ethered hard:roll:

Congrats to LeBron, more than well deserved. Should be unanimous.

[tazb]

Well deserved. 4th MVP in 5 years. Joins elite company with Chamberlain, Jordan, Kareem & Russell. :eek:

[willds09]

Well deserved. 4th MVP in 5 years. Joins elite company with Chamberlain, Jordan, Kareem & Russell. :eek:
Lebum has 1 given ring while everybody else deserves theirs tho:rolleyes:

[DuMa]

mmm derrick rose MVP sandwich.

[tazb]

Lebum has 1 given ring while everybody else deserves theirs tho:rolleyes:

LeBron's career is just getting started though.

[LongLiveTheKing]

http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/221.gif

Go Heat!

[deja vu]

He can win as many MVPs as he wants. People will still think of him as a loser and choker who dumped his team to connive with two other superstars in an effort to chase the ring. :lol

[lebeast666]

He can win as many MVPs as he wants. People will still think of him as a loser and choker who dumped his team to connive with two other superstars in an effort to chase the ring. :lol

http://www.imgur.com/hpR6iGQ.jpeg

[plowking]

Coming from someone who hated Lebron when he was on the Cavs; its good to have him on our team. Slowly became my favorite player in the league along with Wade. He truly is the MVP and no one else was close this year.

[willds09]

LeBron's career is just getting started though.
lets see if he will get 5, or should i say his 2nd:rolleyes:

[Hoopz2332]

He can win as many MVPs as he wants. People will still think of him as a loser and choker who dumped his team to connive with two other superstars in an effort to chase the ring. :lol


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/158389/lebron-dancing-2-o.gif

[Mr. Jabbar]

Most Valuable *******

well deserved :applause:

[tazb]

Most Valuable *******

well deserved :applause:

Kareem is a 6x Most Valuable *******? Jordan 5 time? Not bad.

[wfb]

A lot of butthurt trolls in this thread. :oldlol:

Kudos Lebron, well deserved. :applause:

[JtotheIzzo]

Next year, even though LBJ is still the best player KD wil win the award because the voters will AGAIN be tired of giving it to LBJ almost every year. :facepalm

So it looks like KD next year and then LBJ again in 2015.


If he maintains this kind of efficiency in an era of volume shooters, he will win until he takes a step back.

The writers recognize greatness, and this LeBron season was one of the greatest ever, by anyone.

Yeah, I said it.

[Leftimage]

Most Valuable *******

well deserved :applause:

ooo... more rated R than your usual posts :oldlol: I see you save the harsher style for major announcements.

[Trollsmasher]

Most Valuable *******

well deserved :applause:
Now I get why you always say that Kobe should've won more:rockon:

[ILLsmak]

early in the year, I couldn't believe it, but once they went on that streak, it was like oh well, gg.

Winning 66 games is pretty huge while putting up stats like he did. Amazing he's won so many MVPs lately. Just by MVPs he has to be looked at as a GOAT candidate.

-Smak

[willds09]

Most Valuable *******

well deserved :applause:
True story:roll:

[TonyMontana]

Notice how the only people that oppose LeBron winning this are the most pathetic of the Kobe stans?(ripthekik,mr jabbar, mark madsen,etc.) The jealousy in their posts is great.

LeBron is by far the best player in the league. His team is by far the best in the league. The Miami Heat are the most relevant in the league because of LeBron. Take LeBron off of that team and put him ANYWHERE else and that team will automatically become the most relevant team in the league just because they have LeBron. He is that good.

ripthekik was already exposed as a 5'10 170 pound asian in another thread so I don't get why people actually entertain his pathetic statements . :oldlol:

[Hoopz2332]

ripthekik was already exposed as a 5'10 170 pound asian in another thread so I don't get why people actually entertain his pathetic statements . :oldlol:

:roll:

[Trollsmasher]

ripthekik was already exposed as a 5'10 170 pound gay asian in another thread so I don't get why people actually entertain his pathetic statements . :oldlol:
fixed

[uoykcuf]

http://i.imgur.com/EX98o.gif

[willds09]

http://i.imgur.com/EX98o.gif
what a bunch of jason collinses:facepalm

[Graviton]

Well deserved, coulda won DPOY as well if he didn't coast so much early in the season and had Heat not ended up as a mid tier defensive team.

[COnDEMnED]

Congrats Lebron, one more to tie Bill, I'd like to see that happen.:cheers:

[arifgokcen]

ripthekik was already exposed as a 5'10 170 pound asian in another thread so I don't get why people actually entertain his pathetic statements . :oldlol:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jchu]

Its really this simple, most if not all the other 29 teams would kill to get lbj on their team.

[strifed169]

http://i.imgur.com/EX98o.gif

literally :lol d

Can't wait to see the world's best player back in action in the 2nd round soon

[walaladun]

well deserved

[Andrei89]

Best player in the NBA

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[xoracle55]

What an amazing season for Lebron, you are history in the making! Congrats MVP! and you managed to do it while coasting :lol You made it look so easy! Heads and shoulders above the rests. Ripthekik and Mr Jabbar, eat your heart out! On the other hand I don't blame these Kobe Stan's for acting the way they do, they are really dying of jealousy. If Kobe can aknowledge Lebron's greatness so can you guys..

[mikek85]

LeGawd :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[LuigiChambles]

Lebron james is the best player on the best team.

This i do not disagree with, and this is why he gets the mvp. It's a team award.

Like for example if the Blazers had the best record (69-13) in Regular Season and their Best Player is Lillard while the Heat with 44-38 Record. Would you give award it to Lillard or Lebron? It's stupid to give it to LeBron right? if that's the scenario.

[LuigiChambles]

ripthekik was already exposed as a 5'10 170 pound asian in another thread so I don't get why people actually entertain his pathetic statements . :oldlol:

Source?

[Rik Smits' Hair]

So much butthurt in this thread.

[2010splash]

LeBron is the second best player ever who had one of the top 2-3 greatest seasons ever on one of the greatest teams ever. Should have been a landslide unanimous decision. Easy pick.

A lot of people complain about "inconsistencies" in the criteria for MVP voting, but the reality is this year's decision is consistent with history. Any time a player has had a season this dominant (and it's only been like once or twice), they won the award by a landslide. Basically only Jordan was this good. It's not just the "best player on the best team". That was Kobe winning it in 2008 when there were better individual players but none of them had a better record because they were on worse teams. What LeBron did this season is all-time stuff. No one in the league is even close to him. It's frightening.

[coin24]

Most valuable bullshit. If Lebron sat on the bench the heat still win 60 games and advance to the finals.
No melo, Knicks are shit
No Kobe, well we saw what happened there...

Lebron should not ever be considered for MVP because he chose the easy way out, piggybacking his way to a title..

[retaxis]

Most valuable bullshit. If Lebron sat on the bench the heat still win 60 games and advance to the finals.
No melo, Knicks are shit
No Kobe, well we saw what happened there...

Lebron should not ever be considered for MVP because he chose the easy way out, piggybacking his way to a title..
Between kobe getting his achilles ripped off, Lakers getting swept and Miami and Lebron at the top of the world you must be like this::cry: :banghead: :banghead: :cry: :banghead: :banghead: :cry: :cry: :banghead: :cry:

[2010splash]

Kobe?:roll: Dude's team got swept in the first round and won a pathetic 45 games despite having 3 future HOFers.

Carmelo? Hahahaha. The 2.8 apg averaging Carmelo over the walking triple double with a 31.7 PER and a 57 FG% who won 66 games and went 37-2 to close out the season. LOL!:oldlol: :oldlol:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Most valuable bullshit. If Lebron sat on the bench the heat still win 60 games and advance to the finals.
No melo, Knicks are shit
No Kobe, well we saw what happened there...

Lebron should not ever be considered for MVP because he chose the easy way out, piggybacking his way to a title..

Man, just STFU. Why are Kobe stans so insecure?

[BlazersDozen]

How does LeBron not deserve this?

He led his team to the best record in the NBA. Also, no the Heat are NOT a 50 win team without LeBron. Wade is reaching the end of his prime, Bosh can't carry a team and you have a bunch of shooters around Wade alone isn't enough to have the entire defense collapse on the paint to get these shooters open. The offense would suffer a lot and I won't even get started on the defense.

LeBron
26.8PPG
56.5% FG%
40.6% 3PT%
8.0RPG
7.3APG
1.7SPG
0.9BPG

Durant
28.1PPG
51% FG%
41.6% 3PT%
7.9RPG
4.6APG
1.4SPG
1.3BPG

Also, Durant averages more turnovers per game while averaging nearly 3 less assists per game

People really just hate LeBron...

[All Net]

Man, just STFU. Why are Kobe stans so insecure?

It's embarrassing for laker fans...

[HoopsFanNumero1]

It's embarrassing for laker fans...

It's all good. I don't really consider them to be Lakers fans.

[coin24]

Bullshit the heat aren't a 50 win team without lebron:lol :facepalm
Also, what does the lakers getting swept have to do with Kobe? He was injured, hence why he's so valuable to the team..

[Trollsmasher]

Bullshit the heat aren't a 50 win team without lebron:lol :facepalm
Also, what does the lakers getting swept have to do with Kobe? He was injured, hence why he's so valuable to the team..
Lakers would lose in 3 if Kobe was healthy:facepalm

Luckily, he b*tched out and let them lose with at least some dignity.

[coin24]

Lakers would lose in 3 if Kobe was healthy:facepalm

Luckily, he b*tched out and let them lose with at least some dignity.

Lose in 3? Nice work genius.:applause:
Bitched out? The man gave his all to will the lakers into the playoffs. I'm guessing your a bron stan, a man who rides a stacked team that would win without him...

[LEFT4DEAD]

This is one of the most deserving MVPs of all time. Head and shoulders above the rest. Congrats.

[oh the horror]

Lakers would lose in 3 if Kobe was healthy:facepalm

Luckily, he b*tched out and let them lose with at least some dignity.



At this point trolls here aren't event comical anymore.

[willds09]

Take melo off knicks they would be tha bucks, take kobe off tha lakers they would be a lottery team, take paul off clippers off they would be a lottery team, take durant off tha thunder and they would barely make tha playoffs, take lebron off tha heat and they would still be better than tha pacers, I rest my damn case.:no: mr. overrated won again

[LuigiChambles]

Take melo off knicks they would be tha bucks, take kobe off they would be a lottery team, take paul off clippers off they would be a lottery team, take durant off tha thunder and they would barely make tha playoffs, take lebron off tha heat and they would still be better than tha pacers, I rest my damn case.:no: mr. overrated won again

Last year Bosh got injured, Pacers were favored to win the series.. Does it mean Bosh is more Valuable than Lebron?

[ripthekik]

Source?
there is no source. the guy just threw that out there blindly and the random kids who follow me around laugh like sheep.

i guess it's because the things i say about lebron hurt them badly :(

btw, to the guy that put the example of blazers 60+ wins, heat 5th seed, then yes Lillard should be mvp.

[coin24]

Last year Bosh got injured, Pacers were favored to win the series.. Does it mean Bosh is more Valuable than Lebron?


We're talking about this season:facepalm

[LuigiChambles]

there is no source. the guy just threw that out there blindly and the random kids who follow me around laugh like sheep.

i guess it's because the things i say about lebron hurt them badly :(

btw, to the guy that put the example of blazers 60+ wins, heat 5th seed, then yes Lillard should be mvp.

So do you agree that Lebron is the MVP? Because he's the best player of the Best Team in terms of Regular season record. Stacked or not, they are the best team.

[willds09]

Last year Bosh got injured, Pacers were favored to win the series.. Does it mean Bosh is more Valuable than Lebron?
Man stop dem lies, nobody had tha pacers over tha heat, people had tha heat winning ever since rose went down, and that was tha first round:facepalm

[LuigiChambles]

We're talking about this season:facepalm

What's the difference? :confusedshrug:

[ripthekik]

So do you agree that Lebron is the MVP? Because he's the best player of the Best Team in terms of Regular season record. Stacked or not, they are the best team.
yes, earlier I was just discussing the concept of MVP.

It is the best player on the best team. It seems you agree with me too?
I dont know why lebron fans are so offended with this true statement.

[LikeABosh]

If you don't think Lebron is the MVP, say who you think should have won it and make a case for him. /thread

[ripthekik]

If you don't think Lebron is the MVP, say who you think should have won it and make a case for him. /thread
stop dodging and own up to your avatar bet. put up a lakers avatar, biiitch.

[lebeast666]

Best team record, best player, best stats, best individual season, wouldn't pass second round or ECF without him :confusedshrug:


What's so hard to understand haters?

And if Heat didnt have LeBron, he would probably win MVP on another team with possibly the #1 seed.

Simple as that. Haters...no need to be mad.

[coin24]

I'm not arguing that Lebron isn't the best player currently in the game(kobes injured after all) you Lebron lovers in your blind circle jerk are missing the point.
The award is for most valuable.
Other players are more valuable to there teams success, hence why the hands down best player in the league rarely wins the award..

Nobody can say the heat wouldn't win, say 55 games without Lebron.
To me, he chose the easiest path in history to titles, so that should factor into this...

[Real Men Wear Green]

Nobody can say the heat wouldn't win, say 55 games without Lebron.
Wade missed 13 games this season. I don't see what basis you have for saying they would. In reality we don't know the exact number of games they win without James but we know that with him and mostly thanks to him they were the best team in the NBA.

[pauk]

I'm not arguing that Lebron isn't the best player currently in the game(kobes injured after all) you Lebron lovers in your blind circle jerk are missing the point.
The award is for most valuable.
Other players are more valuable to there teams success, hence why the hands down best player in the league rarely wins the award..

Nobody can say the heat wouldn't win, say 55 games without Lebron.
To me, he chose the easiest path in history to titles, so that should factor into this...

Other players may be more valuable to their teams success in terms of role, in terms of talent to scrub ratio, but what type of team success are we talking about here? Get it? Because no other player on this planet causes more team success than Lebron.... especially this season, there is literally half of those games Heat won Lebron (the very unclutch guy) has closed out teams with 15-20 point games in 4th or hitting 3 gamewinning shots (led the league) and 4 gamewinning assists (led the league) and 2 gametying shots............. he orchestrates everything offensively, without him they aint going anywhere.... HE is the reason to his teams success..... and what type of success is it? The best in the league, franchise best and were on course to break the most wins in a row with 27..... not to mention what he does also defensively and he doesnt do it only individually, he orchestrates & anchors the team defense very vocally and intelligently....

THATS the MVP....


...one more thing, this "stacked" team without Lebron contains of a 15-7 averaging soft undersized zero-defense "Center" who cant even lead his own team in rebounds (Lebron did, surprise) and a very injury proned / out of prime Wade.... they could maybe win 55 games but they could not have the best record in the NBA and they aint getting anywhere near the Finals without Lebron, better yet win the championship....

[willds09]

What's the difference? :confusedshrug:
you are so blind itz sad:facepalm

[willds09]

If you don't think Lebron is the MVP, say who you think should have won it and make a case for him. /thread
we just did, but ur in denial:rolleyes:

[PJR]

I really don't like to rationalize with obvious morons. But hey, why not?

If you think the best way to measure a player's MVP worthiness is by estimating how awful the team would be without him, you really don't have a clue. How this bizarre idea has come about, I don't know.

The precedent has been set with this award. And in most circumstances, the award has been given to a player who's had individual brilliance + team success. LeBron easily had the best all around season according he numbers. His impact is pretty much undeniable. His numbers are easily the most impressive, with only Durant worthy of being in the discussion. He either scored or assisted on 43% of the Heat's points. That's the highest among any player. He was also the leading rebounder for his team. Add on the fact that the Heat had the best record in the league, including the longest winning streak ever post NBA/ABA merger, and there you ago.

LeBron epitomized "Most Valuable Player", this season. Again. And you hating ass suckas are just going to have to deal with it.

Good day.

[tpols]

I really don't like to rationalize with obvious morons. But hey, why not?

If you think the best way to measure a player's MVP worthiness is by estimating how awful the team would be without him, you really don't have a clue. How this bizarre idea has come about, I don't know.


The precedent for the award has flipped back and forth over time.. It hasnt been the best player in the world to win it every year. Look at..

Allen Iverson? Is he better than prime Shaq? Nope.. but he added more wins to his team probably because they relied solely on him for offense.

Is Derrick Rose better than Lebron James? Because he won an MVP over him for the exact reasons you state you cannot win MVP for.

Is Steve Nash better than peak Kobe? Dirk better than peak Kobe? Nope.. but their teams overachieved and won 60+ games so they were given the award based on the whose most valuable to their own individual team precedant.

This year there was no 'story'.. no underdog superstar exceeding expectations. So they just gave it to the best player in the league.. its that simple.

[coin24]

The precedent for the award has flipped back and forth over time.. It hasnt been the best player in the world to win it every year. Look at..

Allen Iverson? Is he better than prime Shaq? Nope.. but he added more wins to his team probably because they relied solely on him for offense.

Is Derrick Rose better than Lebron James? Because he won an MVP over him for the exact reasons you state you cannot win MVP for.

Is Steve Nash better than peak Kobe? Dirk better than peak Kobe? Nope.. but their teams overachieved and won 60+ games so they were given the award based on the whose most valuable to their own individual team precedant.

This year there was no 'story'.. no underdog superstar exceeding expectations. So they just gave it to the best player in the league.. its that simple.

This..Thank you:applause:

Most of these Lebron lovers weren't watching ball before the decision so you can't expect them to know these facts:facepalm

[tpols]

This..Thank you:applause:

Most of these Lebron lovers weren't watching ball before the decision so you can't expect them to know these facts:facepalm
But Lebron still deserved the MVP.

To beat him somebody wouldve had to lead a team that was predicted middle of the pack to at least a 2 seed. You basically needed a Derrick Rose type situation to happen.. Maybe if Melo had led NY past the Heat but he wasnt even close lol. There was no chance of bron losing from the start really.

[LuigiChambles]

But Lebron still deserved the MVP.

To beat him somebody wouldve had to lead a team that was predicted middle of the pack to at least a 2 seed. You basically needed a Derrick Rose type situation to happen.. Maybe if Melo had led NY past the Heat but he wasnt even close lol. There was no chance of bron losing from the start really.

THIS..

I have never questioned the MVP awards of DRose, Kobe, Nash etc because they deserved it.

I love how neutral you are Sir Tpols. :applause:

[PJR]

Iverson, Nash, and Rose all fit in with the precedent that has been set. :confusedshrug:

So you aren't making much of a case listing them. They all may have had the feel good narratives in their favor(especially Nash), to push them over the top over another worthy candidate, but they still fit in with the criteria and precedent.

Individual brilliance + team success. That has been the set precedent in the eyes of the media who hold ballots.

[willds09]

But Lebron still deserved the MVP.

To beat him somebody wouldve had to lead a team that was predicted middle of the pack to at least a 2 seed. You basically needed a Derrick Rose type situation to happen.. Maybe if Melo had led NY past the Heat but he wasnt even close lol. There was no chance of bron losing from the start really.
but thats sad, compare knicks injuries toward heat injuries, big difference, knicks havent been number 2 since tha damn 90s, lebron got mvp again because he's tha most popular, admit it:facepalm

[tpols]

Iverson, Nash, and Rose all fit in with the precedent that has been set. :confusedshrug:

So you aren't making much of a case listing them. They all may had the feel good narratives in their favor(especially Nash), to push them over the top over another worthy candidate, but they still fit in with the criteria and precedent.

Individual brilliance + team success. That has been the set precedent in the eyes of the media who hold ballots.
Oh I thought you were saying the best player always wins it.. moving along then.

[Inactive]

Nobody can say the heat wouldn't win, say 55 games without Lebron.
They won the equivalent of 57 last year, and 58 the year before that. With Wade aging, and constantly injured, it would basically be the Miami Raptors half the season. Unless we're assuming Lebron was replaced with an All-Star caliber player, I don't see Miami doing that well without him.

[#number6ix#]

Lebron is the best player in the league and the heat are the best team because of him=MVP

[FreezingTsmoove]

tha NBA is a joke... kobe has 1 mvp but lebron 4 which is tied up with mj??????? mj deserved his 6 rings, kobe deserved his 5 rings while lebron was given 1 ring. Something dont add up:facepalm

2 things

2002 WCF (talk about deserved his 5 :lol )

and Jordan has 5 MVPs, what are you 8 yrs old?

[Asiantastic]

The guy deserves it. He was clearly the best player in the league.

[retaxis]

Think he can make a run for another few MVPS?

[Le Shaqtus]

Voter fatigue has to kick in at some point, dude is winning them like every year. Not that he doesn't deserve them but at this point its a popularity contest.

[lebeast666]

Think he can make a run for another few MVPS?

I think so only if he puts up similar numbers and continues to improve. There's the 'voters fatigue' and then also players like Durant and others can still improve. LeBron did say he wants to aim for his free throw shooting to be in the 80s. If that happens, that could be another 2ppg at least and end up 28-29ppg. He could win MVP + scoring title? Who knows

[LikeABosh]

If Lebron has another "ho hum" season. (26-27 ppg, 55-56% shooting, 8 and 7, no crazy 27 game win streak) I don't think he'll win it again. He's going to need to continue to improve again in order to avoid voter fatigue.

[The_Yearning]

If Lebron has another "ho hum" season. (26-27 ppg, 55-56% shooting, 8 and 7, no crazy 27 game win streak) I don't think he'll win it again. He's going to need to continue to improve again in order to avoid voter fatigue.

He'll win it again if he can up his FT% to at least 80.

[willds09]

2 things

2002 WCF (talk about deserved his 5 :lol )

and Jordan has 5 MVPs, what are you 8 yrs old?
2002 he deserved it, like shaq said they weren't worried about tha sacramento queens.:no:

[willds09]

Think he can make a run for another few MVPS?
Yea if david stern and adam silver give him more for no reason then yea :rolleyes:

[willds09]

They won the equivalent of 57 last year, and 58 the year before that. With Wade aging, and constantly injured, it would basically be the Miami Raptors half the season. Unless we're assuming Lebron was replaced with an All-Star caliber player, I don't see Miami doing that well without him.
Stop being stupid, wade wasnt injured like that at all

[LBJ 23]

Very important factor you're all forgetting is also owning second best MVP candidate in head to head matchups. In 2011 Rose and Bulls sweept Miami in regular season. It was voters fatigue, Lebron hate for the Decision and new superstar rising(Rose) but also head to head matchups.

''The Bulls and Heat met three times in the regular season. Three times the Bulls won, a couple of close games and one pretty comfortably. Derrick Rose had big games, Chris Bosh struggled.''

Look at this year for example, when did Lebron win MVP. After that hot shooting streak when he shoot above 64% for I don't know how many games? After 27 games winning streak? No, those two feats only further confirmed his MVP, he won it when Miami and Lebron owned OKC and Durant in head to head regular season matchups.

[willds09]

Very important factor you're all forgetting is also owning second best MVP candidate in head to head matchups. In 2011 Rose and Bulls sweept Miami in regular season. It was voters fatigue, Lebron hate for the Decision and new superstar rising(Rose) but also head to head matchups.

''The Bulls and Heat met three times in the regular season. Three times the Bulls won, a couple of close games and one pretty comfortably. Derrick Rose had big games, Chris Bosh struggled.''

Look at this year for example, when did Lebron win MVP. After that hot shooting streak when he shoot above 64% for I don't know how many games? After 27 games winning streak? No, those two feats only further confirmed his MVP, he won it when Miami and Lebron owned OKC and Durant in head to head regular season matchups.
That's pure bullshit, melo and knicks beat lebum 3-1

[lebeast666]

That's pure bullshit, melo and knicks beat lebum 3-1

One game was beginning of the season, one game Melo was injured and they beat Miami without him, and last game they barely won without Wade/LeBron.

[NumberSix]

That's pure bullshit, melo and knicks beat lebum 3-1
Melo and LeBron were 1-1 this season.

Lol. Do you ever get tired of always being wrong about everything?:roll:

[LikeABosh]

That's pure bullshit, melo and knicks beat lebum 3-1
Everything you post is guaranteed to be idiotic.

[Crafty]

Melo and LeBron were 1-1 this season.

Lol. Do you ever get tired of always being wrong about everything?:roll:
Shhh, let him talk. It's a pretty boring afternoon

[LBJ 23]

Everything you post is guaranteed to be idiotic.


That's why I didn't even bother to respond to his post. Also, Carmelo was never a true 2nd MVP candidate. It was Durant all the time and had Durant and OKC won both regular season games against Miami and he clearly outplays Lebron, I'm not so sure Lebron wins MVP just cuz of the above 64% shooting streak and 27 games winning streak.

[willds09]

That's why I didn't even bother to respond to his post. Also, Carmelo was never a true 2nd MVP candidate. It was Durant all the time and had Durant and OKC won both regular season games against Miami and he clearly outplays Lebron, I'm not so sure Lebron wins MVP just cuz of the above 64% shooting streak and 27 games winning streak.
durant had westbrook, melo had a sixth man of the tear with multiple injuries on tha side.:facepalm

[Crafty]

That's why I didn't even bother to respond to his post. Also, Carmelo was never a true 2nd MVP candidate. It was Durant all the time and had Durant and OKC won both regular season games against Miami and he clearly outplays Lebron, I'm not so sure Lebron wins MVP just cuz of the above 64% shooting streak and 27 games winning streak.
And the best record on the league. Shitting on Durant (2nd MVP candidate) on both games in the RS. Beating everyteam of the league at least once.

[willds09]

One game was beginning of the season, one game Melo was injured and they beat Miami without him, and last game they barely won without Wade/LeBron.
game 1, melo played and bust wade and lebron's ass by 20 without martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 2, we bust wade and lebrons ass again by 20 without melo, martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 3, was bullshit cuz of coach woodson benched stoudamire in tha final 7 minutes.
game 4, we won fair and square without stoudamire, while lebron and wade were scared to play us.
THATS HOW IT WENT DOWN:no:

[willds09]

Melo and LeBron were 1-1 this season.

Lol. Do you ever get tired of always being wrong about everything?:roll:
im talking about tha season series overall:facepalm

[NumberSix]

game 1, melo played and bust wade and lebron's ass by 20 without martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 2, we bust wade and lebrons ass again by 20 without melo, martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 3, was bullshit cuz of coach woodson benched stoudamire in tha final 7 minutes.
game 4, we won fair and square without stoudamire, while lebron and wade were scared to play us.
THATS HOW IT WENT DOWN:no:
You and ripthekik are the same guy though, right?

[NumberSix]

im talking about tha season series overall:facepalm
No, you clearly weren't. You got owned as usual, idiot.

[willds09]

Everything you post is guaranteed to be idiotic.
your bitch ass iz just mad cuz im posting facts:coleman:

[LikeABosh]

game 1, melo played and bust wade and lebron's ass by 20 without martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 2, we bust wade and lebrons ass again by 20 without melo, martin, shump and stoudamire.
game 3, was bullshit cuz of coach woodson benched stoudamire in tha final 7 minutes.
game 4, we won fair and square without stoudamire, while lebron and wade were scared to play us.
THATS HOW IT WENT DOWN:no:
Like I said, every single post is idiotic. :facepalm :facepalm

[Shade8780]

I haven't read through this thread but I don't know how it got to 16 pages :lol Didn't we already know LeBron was going to win?

[NumberSix]

How is this phaggit not banned yet? At least bring him down to 1 account.

[willds09]

No, you clearly weren't. You got owned as usual, idiot.
i didnt get owned u lebron nut hugger, Im just getting jumped by you lebron lovers who dont wanna accept tha truth:mad:

[NumberSix]

i didnt get owned u lebron nut hugger, Im just getting jumped by you lebron lovers who dont wanna accept tha truth:mad:
The truth that Melo and the Knicks beat LeBron 3-1. Yeah, it's not the truth you fcuking moron. Keep trying to dig your way out you know-nothing troll-tard.

[willds09]

The truth that Melo and the Knicks beat LeBron 3-1. Yeah, it's not the truth you fcuking moron. Keep trying to dig your way out you know-nothing troll-tard.
you not proving shit niguh, what are u proving??? Im stating facts, and you wanna talk shit cuz ur in denial:rant

[NumberSix]

you not proving shit niguh, what are u proving??? Im stating facts, and you wanna talk shit cuz ur in denial:rant
3-1 isn't a fact fcuk-tard. They didn't even play 4 times, idiot.

[willds09]

3-1 isn't a fact fcuk-tard. They didn't even play 4 times, idiot.
I said tha season series, which is 3-1, am i right???:confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

I said tha season series, which is 3-1, am i right???:confusedshrug:
No you didn't shithead. You said they beat LeBron 3-1. You didn't say they beat the Heat 3-1. You're wrong and youre stupid. End of story.

[ripthekik]

The truth that Melo and the Knicks beat LeBron 3-1. Yeah, it's not the truth you fcuking moron. Keep trying to dig your way out you know-nothing troll-tard.
this guy's so mad :oldlol:

[willds09]

No you didn't shithead. You said they beat LeBron 3-1. You didn't say they beat the Heat 3-1. You're wrong and youre stupid. End of story.
thats tha same thing bitch, cuz its lebrons team:lol

[lebeast666]

thats tha same thing bitch, cuz its lebrons team:lol


There needs to be a warning notice at the beginning of your posts.

"Warning! IQ may drastically drop reading the following post."

[KingBeasley08]

thats tha same thing bitch, cuz its lebrons team:lol
people like you are why black ppl get shit from everyone :facepalm

[willds09]

people like you are why black ppl get shit from everyone :facepalm
says tha dumb niguh who still call queen james king james:facepalm

[willds09]

There needs to be a warning notice at the beginning of your posts.

"Warning! IQ may drastically drop reading the following post."
thats your best comeback??? u lebron stans are pitiful and beyond:lol

[willds09]

this guy's so mad :oldlol:
he sure iz:roll:

[lebeast666]

thats your best comeback??? u lebron stans are pitiful and beyond:lol

No need for a comeback when your embarrassing yourself already.