View Full Version : LeBron Has a Higher Career 3PT% Than Kobe
At the moment, .337 to .336. He's shooting over 40% from deep this year.
NauruDude
03-31-2013, 09:19 AM
Nick Young has higher than them both.
Also coach Damp (Eric Dampier) has lower than them both.
Beatlezz
03-31-2013, 09:28 AM
Nick Young has higher than them both.
Also coach Damp (Eric Dampier) has lower than them both.
Great post. Thank you for letting us know. Future repped. OP, future negged. :cheers:
Great post. Thank you for letting us know. Future repped. OP, future negged. :cheers:
Negged for what, posting a fact? :confusedshrug:
I let you play in my fantasy league, so you better not neg me
raprap
03-31-2013, 09:29 AM
:eek:
Beatlezz
03-31-2013, 09:32 AM
Negged for what, posting a fact? :confusedshrug:
I let you play in my fantasy league, so you better not neg me
Relax Enjolras, i'm just kidding. :hammerhead:
Relax Enjolras, i'm just kidding. :hammerhead:
http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/7UEdUZuS5fY/mqdefault.jpg
JerryWest
03-31-2013, 09:34 AM
:durantunimpressed:
madmax
03-31-2013, 09:57 AM
Lebron is just a better and more skilled shooter?:confusedshrug:
Doctor Rivers
03-31-2013, 10:03 AM
Great post. Thank you for letting us know. Future repped. OP, future negged. :cheers:
So people actually bookmark threads to future neg?
ripthekik
03-31-2013, 10:13 AM
Negged for what, posting a fact? :confusedshrug:
I let you play in my fantasy league, so you better not neg me
lmao, what a wuss
NauruDude
03-31-2013, 10:20 AM
lmao, what a wuss
say that to my face
SilkkTheShocker
03-31-2013, 10:21 AM
We already know LeBron will go down as the better player.
chips93
03-31-2013, 10:22 AM
lebron has much better shot selection, kobe is a better 3pt shooter though.
Living Being
03-31-2013, 10:40 AM
lebron has much better shot selection, kobe is a better 3pt shooter though.
LeBron takes good care of his stats.
Doranku
03-31-2013, 10:42 AM
One player heaves contested 35 footers with the shot clock is expiring. The only player holds the ball until the buzzer sounds or plays hot potato with it.
Is this supposed to be some sort of revelation?
kennethgriffin
03-31-2013, 10:43 AM
kobe has been guarded behind the 3 point line his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobes shot contested threes his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobe shooting 50 footers for fun sometimes... lebron doesnt
kobe takes bail out shot clock,quarter buzzer shots willingly... lebron doesnt
kobe will shoot a fading three... lebron wont
kobe will shoot a three without a dribble facing up someone... lebron wont
people dare lebron to shoot threes... people are afraid of kobe getting a good look when he passes mid court
this same formula can be used when comparing jordans 3pt % to kobe... theyre similar aswell
ripthekik
03-31-2013, 10:51 AM
say that to my face
you're a wuss.
NauruDude
03-31-2013, 10:57 AM
you're a wuss.
so your tough guy on computer but if we meet im gonna punch you
Kblaze8855
03-31-2013, 11:01 AM
kobe has been guarded behind the 3 point line his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobes shot contested threes his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobe shooting 50 footers for fun sometimes... lebron doesnt
kobe takes bail out shot clock,quarter buzzer shots willingly... lebron doesnt
kobe will shoot a fading three... lebron wont
kobe will shoot a three without a dribble facing up someone... lebron wont
people dare lebron to shoot threes... people are afraid of kobe getting a good look when he passes mid court
At least 2 of those are verifiably inaccurate and 2 are things nobody should do if they dont have to.
Orlando Magic
03-31-2013, 11:02 AM
Kobe's a better shooter... LeBron's a smarter one.
LeBron is the better basketball player... blah blah, who cares?
Anyone who doesn't know in their heart what I posted above is either blinded or stupid. End.
Rubio2Gasol
03-31-2013, 11:08 AM
Just a matter of how loose they are with the shots. Lebron's jumper is unreliable when you force him to use it. If he chooses to use it, it's pretty reliable then, but that depends on the defense and not him,
Greg Oden 50
03-31-2013, 11:26 AM
We already know LeBron will go down as the better player.
LeBron will never be goat, I know :rockon:
SilkkTheShocker
03-31-2013, 11:45 AM
LeBron will never be goat, I know :rockon:
Never said he would GOAT. But he will no doubt go down as a better player than Kobe
jstern
03-31-2013, 12:11 PM
Lebron is a much better 3 point shooter than Kobe ever was, this year. And perhaps he might from here on out. Jordan was a also a better 3 point shooter than Kobe ever was, the first year that he decided to make the 3 point a part of his game. But it wasn't enough to have a better percentage in their career. So who knows how things will continue.
Also remember that Kobe has one year with the shorten 3 point shooting line which make his percentage higher.
Whoah10115
03-31-2013, 12:18 PM
Just a matter of how loose they are with the shots. Lebron's jumper is unreliable when you force him to use it. If he chooses to use it, it's pretty reliable then, but that depends on the defense and not him,
Brain power being exercised.
kobe has been guarded behind the 3 point line his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobes shot contested threes his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobe shooting 50 footers for fun sometimes... lebron doesnt
kobe takes bail out shot clock,quarter buzzer shots willingly... lebron doesnt
kobe will shoot a fading three... lebron wont
kobe will shoot a three without a dribble facing up someone... lebron wont
people dare lebron to shoot threes... people are afraid of kobe getting a good look when he passes mid court
this same formula can be used when comparing jordans 3pt % to kobe... theyre similar aswell
Half the points you listed aren't that great, just proving Kobe's low IQ/garbage shot selection.
lilgodfather1
03-31-2013, 12:44 PM
LeBron's better at every aspect of basketball than Kobe ever was. Take Kobe's career highs in every single statistical category, and take LBJ's career average. The numbers are very comparable. It's sad when people say Kobe is better than LeBron.
kobe has been guarded behind the 3 point line his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobes shot contested threes his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobe shooting 50 footers for fun sometimes... lebron doesnt
kobe takes bail out shot clock,quarter buzzer shots willingly... lebron doesnt
kobe will shoot a fading three... lebron wont
kobe will shoot a three without a dribble facing up someone... lebron wont
people dare lebron to shoot threes... people are afraid of kobe getting a good look when he passes mid court
this same formula can be used when comparing jordans 3pt % to kobe... theyre similar aswell
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24369211.jpg
kennethgriffin
03-31-2013, 01:28 PM
Half the points you listed aren't that great, just proving Kobe's low IQ/garbage shot selection.
kobes just that good.. he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants and still make it look good/be productive enough to claim all those titles
:lol
thats the true mark of a great player... like when jordan had the easy dunk. but he switched to his left hand for a much harder reverse layup in the 91 finals
being great... and making it look good
making tough shots look ordinary
thats what people 30 years from now will look back on and choose to watch kobes old games rather than lebrons boring crap
su*ck it
:cheers:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24369211.jpg
As if LeBron doesn't hit tough shots
ripthekik
03-31-2013, 02:25 PM
As if LeBron doesn't hit tough shots
not when the game's on the line.
it is obvious that kobe is a poor man's lebron
ShaqAttack3234
03-31-2013, 02:46 PM
Honestly, Lebron's 3P% has surprised me more than his FG%. It shows the remarkable work he's put into his game because he's never looked like a natural or pure shooter, and not only entered the league as a poor shooter, but was a mediocre shooter as recent as '08. He's shot the ball extremely well all year and has generally been a good shooter for the last 5 or so years. Not only as a long range shooter, but his mid-range game has become so much better as well.
kobe has been guarded behind the 3 point line his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobes shot contested threes his entire career... lebron hasnt
kobe shooting 50 footers for fun sometimes... lebron doesnt
kobe takes bail out shot clock,quarter buzzer shots willingly... lebron doesnt
kobe will shoot a fading three... lebron wont
kobe will shoot a three without a dribble facing up someone... lebron wont
people dare lebron to shoot threes... people are afraid of kobe getting a good look when he passes mid court
The bolded isn't true. Kobe really wasn't a 3 point shooter until 2003, his seventh season. Around that time, he bulked up, probably worked on his 3 point shot more and looked noticeably more natural and comfortable shooting 3s. Prior to that, he had never averaged 1 made 3. He was already a very good mid-range shooter, though.
I would agree that Kobe seems to care less about his % than Lebron. In fact, I doubt Kobe cares at all about his %, just like Melo and Rose don't seem to care, while Lebron, Wade and Durant do.
Lebron will take some bailout shots, though he doesn't seem as willing to do it as Kobe, and he'll still take some of those heat check 3s, but not as much as he did in Cleveland. However, he seems very reluctant to take those heaves to beat the buzzer at the end of quarters.
this same formula can be used when comparing jordans 3pt % to kobe... theyre similar aswell
The % are skewed in that comparison for a lot of reasons. Most importantly, the attempts, which probably in some ways works for and against Jordan. He only had 4 seasons where he took a significant amount of 3s, two of them with the line shortened.
Kobe has to get the nod for 3 point shooting, but those who claim Jordan couldn't shoot 3s are wrong. The 2 years he took a significant amount with the normal line, he shot 38% in '90 and 35% in '93. Jordan himself said that he chose not to shoot 3s because he felt less involved hanging around the 3 point line, and that he could make a bigger impact by being aggressive. His claim is supported by facts.
Plus, players from that generation weren't brought up with the 3 point line as a big part of the game. It's no coincidence that Jordan, Magic, 'Nique and Drexler didn't show much of a 3 point shot in the 80's and then had seasons in the early 90's where they showed they could be solid 3 point shooters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Nz3LRu33g
step-back 3 from halfcourt, but-but only Kobe makes and takes tough shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8Dmjk9rWE
3 from halfcourt, with his normal jump-shot.:eek:
andgar923
03-31-2013, 02:57 PM
Anybody that thinks Bron doesn't take tough shots is retarded.
He shouldn't get points demoted because he makes them look easier.
Bron also shouldn't get points demoted because he plays smarter and doesn't play chuck ball as often.
Having said that
DMAVS41
03-31-2013, 03:14 PM
There is no doubt that Kobe is a better shooter.
But it is a negative, not a positive, that the percentages are so similar. Nobody is holding a gun to Kobe's head and making him take tougher shots and more 3's.
It's the biggest BS argument. Lebron simply doesn't settle as often and takes better shots. Kobe settles too often...always has.
So Kobe is technically a better shooter...it doesn't show up in games that often because that better shooter is settling for too many difficult shots in instances where Lebron attacks the basket or creates a better shot for a teammate.
Which actually speaks to a big reason, for me, as to why Lebron is the better player.
BrickingStar
03-31-2013, 03:18 PM
Speaking of lebron's 3 point shooting ability, check out his last game, he hit 6 straight 3's (could of been 7 but stepped on the line) :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
andgar923
03-31-2013, 03:21 PM
Speaking of lebron's 3 point shooting ability, check out his last game, he hit 6 straight 3's (could of been 7 but stepped on the line) :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Because he was clearly worried about his fg%
NastyCrossover1
03-31-2013, 03:22 PM
Does their % really even matter when some players take harder and more contested shots than others?
andgar923
03-31-2013, 03:27 PM
Does their % really even matter when some players take harder and more contested shots than others?
That logic is somewhat understandable if we're comparing a stand still shooter that gets spoon fed vs a shot creator.
But both Kobe and Bron are creators.
I wonder how many of their 3s are actually contested?
Also, they make it seem as tho Kobe never takes uncontested shots. These dumbos are mistaken and delusional if they believe that.
bukowski81
03-31-2013, 03:28 PM
There is no doubt that Kobe is a better shooter.
But it is a negative, not a positive, that the percentages are so similar. Nobody is holding a gun to Kobe's head and making him take tougher shots and more 3's.
It's the biggest BS argument. Lebron simply doesn't settle as often and takes better shots. Kobe settles too often...always has.
So Kobe is technically a better shooter...it doesn't show up in games that often because that better shooter is settling for too many difficult shots in instances where Lebron attacks the basket or creates a better shot for a teammate.
Which actually speaks to a big reason, for me, as to why Lebron is the better player.
This, taking harder, more contested shots its not a positive, is just dumb basketball
DMAVS41
03-31-2013, 03:33 PM
This, taking harder, more contested shots its not a positive, is just dumb basketball
Exactly.
I'll never understand the response;
Yea, but Kobe takes harder shots. LOL...he takes harder shots of his own choosing. He settles way more and doesn't have the same ability to get to the rim and he's not as willing or as good a passer.
Makes no sense...LOL
andgar923
03-31-2013, 03:35 PM
Exactly.
I'll never understand the response;
Yea, but Kobe takes harder shots. LOL...he takes harder shots of his own choosing. He settles way more and doesn't have the same ability to get to the rim and he's not as willing or as good a passer.
Makes no sense...LOL
I always thought that a great player makes the game look easy, or at least supposed to.
BrickingStar
03-31-2013, 03:37 PM
Here's his last game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94IStkjHZHE
LeTrey?
Pointguard
03-31-2013, 03:38 PM
Lebron has always had better judgement of when to pass or shoot or push or lay back. Its a mental skill. Kobe gets wild at times. Kobe is the better shooter but if Lebron stays shooting like this 40%, in all practicality, wiser shots just becomes better. If Lebron didn't have all the extras this summer (ring, olympics) his three point shot would probably even be better. But to me every year Lebron worked on something.
BTW, I'm sure Lebron has a great chance of being the first players to lead the league in scoring points in the paint and shooting above 40% at the arc. I don't know for sure but I can't see somebody else doing it. At least not with one make per game. Lebron shooting the three at Ray Allen, Reggie Miller clips and leading the league in points in the paint is, indeed, really impressive especially since those were two of his biggest criticisms at one point in his career. He answered his criticism with being the best at it in one instance, and among the best of the greats in another.
andgar923
03-31-2013, 03:40 PM
Here's his last game http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94IStkjHZHE
LeTrey?
:roll: @ them being all uncontested.
Kobe! Kobe! Kobe!
ShaqAttack3234
03-31-2013, 04:06 PM
There is no doubt that Kobe is a better shooter.
But it is a negative, not a positive, that the percentages are so similar. Nobody is holding a gun to Kobe's head and making him take tougher shots and more 3's.
It's the biggest BS argument. Lebron simply doesn't settle as often and takes better shots. Kobe settles too often...always has.
So Kobe is technically a better shooter...it doesn't show up in games that often because that better shooter is settling for too many difficult shots in instances where Lebron attacks the basket or creates a better shot for a teammate.
Which actually speaks to a big reason, for me, as to why Lebron is the better player.
I agree with most of this, and have to say that Lebron currently looks like a better overall player than Kobe ever was to me.
Despite the fact that I did think Lebron focused on FG% during that 60% streak, I didn't really care since he was still producing and Miami was winning.
There's no question Lebron does take tough shots, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say he does care about FG% more. Don't him and Wade have contests to see who can shoot the higher %? It's not exclusive to them either, Durant admitted he cared about FG% as well.
Being able to get more high percentage shots is certainly an advantage, not a negative for Lebron. It's sort of like the perimeter equivalent of Shaq and Ewing. Ewing took a lot of fadeaways and 20 footers, but they were lower percentage shots than Shaq could get much more regularly 10 feet and in.
So it's not exclusively shot selection, Lebron is much bigger and more overpowering physically than Kobe, plus, he's the most unstoppable open court player in the game.
Kobe can get high percentage shots almost at will in the post, but that part of his game has certainly been limited by the big men he's played with. I'm sure we'd see more of his post game if his big man was Chris Bosh.
With that being said, I've said numerous times that with Kobe's 3 point shot becoming more erratic, he should cut down on them. 33% in 2010, 32% in 2011, 30% in 2012 and 33% this season. With how unstoppable of a mid-range player he is, there's no reason for him to be taking five threes per game.
It is important to note that Kobe actually has been efficient this season, it's just that Lebron has been incredibly efficient. Kobe really hasn't been an inefficient player most of his career. Last year, sure, based on %, but the way people talk, you'd think he's around a career 40% shooter.
DMAVS41
03-31-2013, 04:18 PM
I agree with most of this, and have to say that Lebron currently looks like a better overall player than Kobe ever was to me.
Despite the fact that I did think Lebron focused on FG% during that 60% streak, I didn't really care since he was still producing and Miami was winning.
There's no question Lebron does take tough shots, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say he does care about FG% more. Don't him and Wade have contests to see who can shoot the higher %? It's not exclusive to them either, Durant admitted he cared about FG% as well.
Being able to get more high percentage shots is certainly an advantage, not a negative for Lebron. It's sort of like the perimeter equivalent of Shaq and Ewing. Ewing took a lot of fadeaways and 20 footers, but they were lower percentage shots than Shaq could get much more regularly 10 feet and in.
So it's not exclusively shot selection, Lebron is much bigger and more overpowering physically than Kobe, plus, he's the most unstoppable open court player in the game.
Kobe can get high percentage shots almost at will in the post, but that part of his game has certainly been limited by the big men he's played with. I'm sure we'd see more of his post game if his big man was Chris Bosh.
With that being said, I've said numerous times that with Kobe's 3 point shot becoming more erratic, he should cut down on them. 33% in 2010, 32% in 2011, 30% in 2012 and 33% this season. With how unstoppable of a mid-range player he is, there's no reason for him to be taking five threes per game.
It is important to note that Kobe actually has been efficient this season, it's just that Lebron has been incredibly efficient. Kobe really hasn't been an inefficient player most of his career. Last year, sure, based on %, but the way people talk, you'd think he's around a career 40% shooter.
I think caring about your efficiency is actually a good thing...unless of course it gets to the point where a player is just refusing to shoot certain shots and forcing teammates to take even tougher shots in an effort to protect his fg%.
I've never seen an elite player do anything remotely like that though, but in theory that would be a negative to caring about efficiency a lot.
Solid Snake
03-31-2013, 04:57 PM
Exactly.
I'll never understand the response;
Yea, but Kobe takes harder shots. LOL...he takes harder shots of his own choosing. He settles way more and doesn't have the same ability to get to the rim and he's not as willing or as good a passer.
Makes no sense...LOL
Exactly, Kobe always wants to play hero ball and take and make crazy shots, instead of just taking the smart, efficient shot (or hell, how about just feakin PASSING the ball when you're covered well on a move?)
I think caring about your efficiency is actually a good thing...unless of course it gets to the point where a player is just refusing to shoot certain shots and forcing teammates to take even tougher shots in an effort to protect his fg%.
I've never seen an elite player do anything remotely like that though, but in theory that would be a negative to caring about efficiency a lot.
I agree. I keep hearing people say Lebron and Wade are stat padding their FG%, and I thinks laughable. If the two of them are both consciously going for +50%, they are still are both taking 16-18 shots per game, and they both are getting 5-7 apg, all it means is that they realize that they have great teammates (including each other especially) around them and are moving the ball and making better decisions as a result. Whether this is the intent or not, the most significant impact keeping tracking of their FG% has is giving them a way to measure playing efficient playing basketball and taking advantage of all of those factors. Its one thing if they were doing this when they were playing on the one man teams they were playing on, but thats clearly not the case.
ILLsmak
03-31-2013, 05:07 PM
LeBron's better at every aspect of basketball than Kobe ever was. Take Kobe's career highs in every single statistical category, and take LBJ's career average. The numbers are very comparable. It's sad when people say Kobe is better than LeBron.
Word? lol... I think LeBron is better now than Kobe ever was, but it's obvious Kobe is a much better shooter. Kobe is WET.
-Smak
DMAVS41
03-31-2013, 05:08 PM
I agree. I keep hearing people say Lebron and Wade are stat padding their FG%, and I thinks laughable. If the two of them are both consciously going for +50%, they are still are both taking 16-18 shots per game, and they both are getting 5-7 apg, all it means is that they realize that they have great teammates (including each other especially) around them and are moving the ball and making better decisions as a result. Whether this is the intent or not, the most significant impact keeping tracking of their FG% has is giving them a way to measure playing efficient playing basketball and taking advantage of all of those factors. Its one thing if they were doing this when they were playing on the one man teams they were playing on, but thats clearly not the case.
Yea. Honestly...at that level, caring about your efficiency is like caring about winning.
I'll never understand when people say..."Lebron cares about his efficiency" as if it's a negative.
He should...when you have the ball in your hands that much and you shoot that much...you should care. Because efficiency is the most important part of offense for both players and teams.
And it seems to me that a product of caring about that efficiency might get a star player to share the ball more...which is exactly what most stars should do anyway.
Pointguard
03-31-2013, 05:19 PM
I agree. I keep hearing people say Lebron and Wade are stat padding their FG%, and I thinks laughable. If the two of them are both consciously going for +50%, they are still are both taking 16-18 shots per game, and they both are getting 5-7 apg, all it means is that they realize that they have great teammates (including each other especially) around them and are moving the ball and making better decisions as a result. Whether this is the intent or not, the most significant impact keeping tracking of their FG% has is giving them a way to measure playing efficient playing basketball and taking advantage of all of those factors. Its one thing if they were doing this when they were playing on the one man teams they were playing on, but thats clearly not the case.
This.
If you have another star on your team, your emphasis should be quality shots. Lebron and Wade are the best passers at their position with Bosh, Allen, Batt and Rio all hitting shots as well. So if Wade and Lebron turn down shots it definitely means with an extra pass the other guys get a more quality look as well. When Lebron went on the more qualitative route his PPG didn't suffer and they began this crazy winning spree.
Yea. Honestly...at that level, caring about your efficiency is like caring about winning.
I'll never understand when people say..."Lebron cares about his efficiency" as if it's a negative.
He should...when you have the ball in your hands that much and you shoot that much...you should care. Because efficiency is the most important part of offense for both players and teams.
And it seems to me that a product of caring about that efficiency might get a star player to share the ball more...which is exactly what most stars should do anyway.
This.
If you have another star on your team, your emphasis should be quality shots. Lebron and Wade are the best passers at their position with Bosh, Allen, Batt and Rio all hitting shots as well. So if Wade and Lebron turn down shots it definitely means with an extra pass the other guys get a more quality look as well. When Lebron went on the more qualitative route his PPG didn't suffer and they began this crazy winning spree.
Exactly. Until this teams gets the criticism that alot of teams get that "they have trouble scoring" and then Lebron and Wade are still "only" taking 16-18 shots per game, then its completely stupid to bring it up as a bad thing.
Djahjaga
03-31-2013, 06:10 PM
At least 2 of those are verifiably inaccurate and 2 are things nobody should do if they dont have to.
What is this, a guessing game? Say what you mean for once, man.
That said, I'm really getting sick of these threads. I've always sided with the Lebron homers in Stan-mania (Kobe stans vs. Bron stans), but this is getting ridiculous.
What's the point? Are you saying that Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe? Because that's ridiculous. Are you saying he has better shot selection? Because that's obvious.
TerranOP
03-31-2013, 06:17 PM
What is this, a guessing game? Say what you mean for once, man.
That said, I'm really getting sick of these threads. I've always sided with the Lebron homers in Stan-mania (Kobe stans vs. Bron stans), but this is getting ridiculous.
What's the point? Are you saying that Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe? Because that's ridiculous. Are you saying he has better shot selection? Because that's obvious.
The point isn't that Lebron is a better overall shooter than Kobe, it's whether he's a better 3 point shooter. Kobe is a killer from mid-range, and he's better than almost anyone I've ever seen from there. If we're comparing shooting ability from beyond the arc though, this becomes much more debatable in light of Lebron's very good 3PT percentage this year. It's not "ridiculous" at all to propose that Lebron can shoot 3's better than Kobe can. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
Lebron has better shot selection on his 3s this year, but does this make up for the 7% difference in their 3PT shooting this year? I'm not so sure. It's very hard to "pad" your 3pt percentage, especially when you're a superstar and a #1 option like Lebron. He is definitely not getting open looks, so I think this is a very debatable topic. I, for one, would love to see a 3PT shoot-off between these players.
lilgodfather1
03-31-2013, 06:36 PM
Word? lol... I think LeBron is better now than Kobe ever was, but it's obvious Kobe is a much better shooter. Kobe is WET.
-Smak
The stats would disagree with you. It's ok most other people are dumb enough to listen to ESPN's Kobe myths too. It's not just you.
Djahjaga
03-31-2013, 07:03 PM
The point isn't that Lebron is a better overall shooter than Kobe, it's whether he's a better 3 point shooter. Kobe is a killer from mid-range, and he's better than almost anyone I've ever seen from there. If we're comparing shooting ability from beyond the arc though, this becomes much more debatable in light of Lebron's very good 3PT percentage this year. It's not "ridiculous" at all to propose that Lebron can shoot 3's better than Kobe can. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
Lebron has better shot selection on his 3s this year, but does this make up for the 7% difference in their 3PT shooting this year? I'm not so sure. It's very hard to "pad" your 3pt percentage, especially when you're a superstar and a #1 option like Lebron. He is definitely not getting open looks, so I think this is a very debatable topic. I, for one, would love to see a 3PT shoot-off between these players.
It's not about getting open looks. Lebron is much smarter about the types of shots he takes. He's said himself this year that the main difference the types of threes he's taken in Miami (this year and last) vs. the ones he took in Cleveland is that they're almost always catch and shoot now. That's a much more efficient shot to take than off the dribble, something I'm sure Kobe realizes, but doesn't do, anyway, for whatever reason (be it necessity or mentality).
Lebron is as close to perfect a player as you can really get, at this point, something I'm not sure you can say about Kobe, even in his prime (though that doesn't necessarily mean one was better than the other -- that's a different claim than the one I just made), but percentages aren't indicative of one's ability to purely shoot, but rather take and make shots, which is to say that players that can create better looks are rewarded (and rightfully so. I hate all the crap about something being more impressive, thus better. It's retarded.).
I think it's ridiculous to say that Lebron is a better shooter than Kobe in light of one season, comparing percentages that speak to different types of shots (even if they're all three pointers, doesn't mean they're the same).
Edit: Sorry, looks like I rambled on for quite a bit, there.
Short version: Lebron's threes are catch and shoot = more efficient than Kobe's off the dribble.
ShaqAttack3234
03-31-2013, 08:53 PM
I think caring about your efficiency is actually a good thing...unless of course it gets to the point where a player is just refusing to shoot certain shots and forcing teammates to take even tougher shots in an effort to protect his fg%.
I've never seen an elite player do anything remotely like that though, but in theory that would be a negative to caring about efficiency a lot.
I don't think caring about the actual FG% is particularly useful, though players should care about taking good shots within the offense, which can go hand in hand with FG%, but not always. Sometimes your numbers, including FG% suffer when you have to fit into an offense.
I don't see anything wrong with how Lebron and Wade are playing, btw.
Players should generally care about playing intelligent basketball, which includes limiting ball dominance, and ball dominance can't be shown in stats, but is a part of efficiency as far as I'm concerned.
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