Is Deron Williams the worst "superstar" in the league?

[TheMarkMadsen]

He looks awful out there, lost at times and seems to have no confidence in his game whatsoever.

I don't want to hear about the coaching considering this dude was the reason behind one of the GOAT coaches retirement.

Deron Williams is the worst player that is considered a superstar in the league. Fact or fiction?

[FKAri]

Blake Griffin

[Fudge]

Fiction. He's not even a superstar.

[truhooper]

yes

[Clutch]

Fiction. He's not even a superstar.
This. At least not this year.

[BG32-KD35]

Dwight Howard?

[PP34Deuce]

He looks awful out there, lost at times and seems to have no confidence in his game whatsoever.

I don't want to hear about the coaching considering this dude was the reason behind one of the GOAT coaches retirement.

Deron Williams is the worst player that is considered a superstar in the league. Fact or fiction?

Personally I dont think he really wanted to stay in ny.

[SpecialQue]

But general consensus here is that Deron >>>>>>>>>>> CP3??????

[boxclever]

Fiction. He's not even a superstar.
this


Dwight Howard?
this too

[elementally morale]

To be a superstar you have to be a household name. The league has less than 5 superstars today. Deron is not one of them.

[chains5000]

To be a superstar you have to be a household name. The league has less than 5 superstars today. Deron is not one of them.
Change "superstar" to "franchise player", what do you think?

[Noob Saibot]

When was Williams ever a superstar? lol

[FireDavidKahn]

Superstars are created by the media while franchise players are the actual best players in the league who can carry their teams. Williams is neither.

[bdreason]

He's certainly not playing up to expectations.

[konex]

He sure is playing like it..

[LikeABosh]

Deron hasn't been a super star for 2+ years

[elementally morale]

Change "superstar" to "franchise player", what do you think?

I was wrong about him. I thought he would turn out to be a franchise player. I'm not sure if he is the worst of the group but he sue is worse than I thought he would be. Still a very good player, probably a good second fiddle like Amare.

[Purch]

Deron Williams was a "franchise player in Utah"... Why?.............................................. ..

Because we used him to his strengths.

[ZenMaster]

Isn't he playing with injury?

[ILLsmak]

I was wrong about him. I thought he would turn out to be a franchise player. I'm not sure if he is the worst of the group but he sue is worse than I thought he would be. Still a very good player, probably a good second fiddle like Amare.

No PG is a franchise player anymore. You notice that CP3 was "bad" when he was on NOH but then got good when he was on LAC. Some might attribute that to injuries, and maybe it's true. However, he was also good when he had good teammates around him on NOH.

The PGs that can be Franchise players are guys like Rose and Westbrook who most would argue are more "primary ballhandlers" than PGs. If you can't get 20-25 ppg, how can you be a franchise player; a PG needs options.

A franchise player would be someone you could stick on a bad team and he'd get them to the playoffs. It has to be terrible to be a good PG on a team of players who can't finish. Not saying Deron has that problem because he's got better players this year, but just saying in general.

-Smak

[b1imtf]

Isn't he playing with injury?
Sick of hearing this

[elementally morale]

No PG is a franchise player anymore. You notice that CP3 was "bad" when he was on NOH but then got good when he was on LAC. Some might attribute that to injuries, and maybe it's true. However, he was also good when he had good teammates around him on NOH.

The PGs that can be Franchise players are guys like Rose and Westbrook who most would argue are more "primary ballhandlers" than PGs. If you can't get 20-25 ppg, how can you be a franchise player; a PG needs options.

A franchise player would be someone you could stick on a bad team and he'd get them to the playoffs. It has to be terrible to be a good PG on a team of players who can't finish. Not saying Deron has that problem because he's got better players this year, but just saying in general.

-Smak


Nice post and I agree. I was thinking of something similar but I didn't post it in the end, because I just realized that none of these guys are as good as prime Nash, prime Kidd or prime Payton were. Not to speak of Isiah, Stockton and Magic.

So while I can see your point, these PGs are just really not as good as some of their predecessors were, who managed to become legitimate franchise players.

BTW, I think Rondo has the most chance of becoming a franchise player. Should learn how to shoot.

[Kujo]

Things are about to get real ugly for DWill in NYC with the media, and fans, if they haven't already.

I'm at a loss at how bad he looks this year. He's getting exposed as a bad teammate, and coach killer as well (not saying Avery doesn't deserved to be fired. He's not a good coach). What so called super-star/elite PG calls himself a system player? :confusedshrug:

[TheBigVeto]

But general consensus here is that Deron >>>>>>>>>>> CP3??????

He was. Until karma caught up on him.

[ZenMaster]

Sick of hearing this

Yeah I know, it doesn't matter because you can't see or feel it right?

"Fkuck you Deron you have to play 100% even though you're injured."

It's real life, real players, real mucles and bones, it is not a video game.

[heyhey]

he's been exposed so bad and that's karmic justice. this is a guy that did his coach dirty. Jerry sloan was invaluable to his development and performances. He didn't even realize how good he had it with Sloan calling the plays for him from the sidelines. Williams has bad bball iq and Sloan reigned him in from his worst predispositions

[shootingcomets]

deron was only ever "good" due to system of sloan

[El Kabong]

Isn't he playing with injury?
They reported at the start of the year he's got bone spurs in his ankles that will need to be operated on in the off-season.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Injury or not. One thing is true, he is not a leader.

[Lebron23]

I love to see Nets hire Jerry Sloan after they fire Avery Johnson. The Nets are a good team on papers they just needs a better coach and system. I agree with some of the posters who said that D-Will ain't a good leader.

[tpols]

He fvcking sucks but at least he's not afraid to take it to the hole. Everyone else on the Nets besides him and Wallace is. Especially Joe Johnson.. Dude would rather shoot jumpers all day than go strong to the rack.

[jdm_dc_fan]

He fvcking sucks but at least he's not afraid to take it to the hole. Everyone else on the Nets besides him and Wallace is. Especially Joe Johnson.. Dude would rather shoot jumpers all day than go strong to the rack.
This is expected from Joe before he signed his big contract. His role is clear, throw the ball up. Deron on the hand is doing the complete opposite. To be honest the only players I like on that team is Gerald, Blatch and stackhouse. Never liked JJ for some reason.

[ClutchOver9000]

To be honest the only players I like on that team is Gerald, Blatch and stackhouse. Never liked JJ for some reason.

Well, the fact that he is the biggest challenger to Rose when it comes to who lacks the most personality....that might play a part.

Also doesnt help his case that he gives off a vibe that the NBA is nothing but a job to him. He doesn't even look like he enjoys playing ball...its weird.

I like Crash though.

[jdm_dc_fan]

Well, the fact that he is the biggest challenger to Rose when it comes to who lacks the most personality....that might play a part.

Also doesnt help his case that he gives off a vibe that the NBA is nothing but a job to him. He doesn't even look like he enjoys playing ball...its weird.

I like Crash though.
I meant his style of game but I completely agree with the above. He reminds me of a jeff green type player except Jeff actually likes to penetrate and looks to post up.

[ClutchOver9000]

I meant his style of game but I completely agree with the above. He reminds me of a jeff green type player except Jeff actually likes to penetrate and looks to post up.

Yea, style-wise I could see it (more in the way they move if you ask me). JJ's much more iso-heavy than Green though.

My problem w/ him is his demeanor. He looks like he couldnt give a fvck that he's getting paid millions to play ball.

[StateOfMind12]

How can you be the worst superstar, when you aren't even a superstar?

[plUto or bUst]

Deron williams got 100 million. You think he gives a shit anymore?

[jdm_dc_fan]

My problem w/ him is his demeanor. He looks like he couldnt give a fvck that he's getting paid millions to play ball.
That sentence on its own could be describing Green or JJ. :roll:

[jdm_dc_fan]

Deron williams got 100 million. You think he gives a shit anymore?
I am gonna put this in perspective for nets fans. Deron makes $45,000,000.00 million MORE than Rondo in their 5 year contracts. What can be done with that extra $45 million? you chose. :facepalm

[Heavincent]

Deron Williams hasn't given two shits since coming to the Nets.

[gigantes]

apparently deron is only a "superstar" in the flex offense. so he's like he-man without his sword of power.

the whole 'arrive in brooklyn with a bang' thing is blowing up in the nets faces. instead of rebuilding the right way, they grabbed a bunch of high-priced parts, failed to do their due diligence on williams (even failed to do it across his extended audition with them), and now they're stuck with this ill-constructed, overpriced starting lineup for years to come.

plenty of blame to go around, but a lot of it has to go on prokhorov at this point. he's the guy with the huge wallet and who came in with the "we need to win a championship in five years" mentality. he's obviously not a hands-on disaster like dolan or a manipulative cheapskate like sterling- in fact he's close to being an ideal owner. but his early mandate of overaggression has wound up sabotaging most of the positives he had brought to the table.

now we're the knicks from a couple years ago without a jason kidd and/or tyson chandler to lead us. actually we're not even fun to watch, like they were.

[SyRyanYang]

I am gonna put this in perspective for nets fans. Deron makes $45,000,000.00 million MORE than Rondo in their 5 year contracts. What can be done with that extra $45 million? you chose. :facepalm
THAT'S LIKE 45 TRILLION.
:facepalm

[SyRyanYang]

apparently deron is only a "superstar" in the flex offense. so he's like he-man without his sword of power.

the whole 'arrive in brooklyn with a bang' thing is blowing up in the nets faces. instead of rebuilding the right way, they grabbed a bunch of high-priced parts, failed to do their due diligence on williams (even failed to do it across his extended audition with them), and now they're stuck with this ill-constructed, overpriced starting lineup for years to come.

plenty of blame to go around, but a lot of it has to go on prokhorov at this point. he's the guy with the huge wallet and who came in with the "we need to win a championship in five years" mentality. he's obviously not a hands-on disaster like dolan or a manipulative cheapskate like sterling- in fact he's close to being an ideal owner. but his early mandate of overaggression has wound up sabotaging most of the positives he had brought to the table.

now we're the knicks from a couple years ago without a jason kidd and/or tyson chandler to lead us. actually we're not even fun to watch, like they were.

Nice post but this would be a whole different situation if Deron's been playing up to his standard.

[gigantes]

Nice post but this would be a whole different situation if Deron's been playing up to his standard.
only superficially. all the other flaws would still be lurking just below the surface, ready to raise their heads as soon as the games mattered, like late in the season.

hump's one-dimensionality, lopez' softness, weak team defense, poor variety of offensive sets, mediocre coaching, little or no cap room, mediocre draft picks.... that's just off the top. take your pick.

[gigantes]

[quote][u]"Bucks 108, Nets 93, and I

[Rubio2Gasol]

THAT'S LIKE 45 TRILLION.
:facepalm

No it isn't.

Note the period before the final two zeros.

[Pinkhearts]

No it isn't.

Note the period before the final two zeros.

LOL. Someone get this guy back to grade school

[gigantes]

No it isn't.

Note the period before the final two zeros.
not sure how they do it where you're from, but here in the US, the quantity by number is always multiplied by the quantity by name. for example:

672 thousand = 672 x 1,000 = 672,000

or

45,000,000 million = 45,000,000 x 1,000,000 = 45,000,000,000,000 = 45 trillion


sy ryan yang was correct that what you wrote reads as 45 trillion here in the states.

[Theoo]

not sure how they do it where you're from, but here in the US, the quantity by number is always multiplied by the quantity by name. for example:

672 thousand = 672 x 1,000 = 672,000

or

45,000,000 million = 45,000,000 x 1,000,000 = 45,000,000,000,000 = 45 trillion


sy ryan yang was correct that what you wrote reads as 45 trillion here in the states.
i think he meaned 45 million more not 45 million * million more men :facepalm:

[gigantes]

i think he meaned 45 million more not 45 million * million more men :facepalm:
well, duh.


the reason i wrote that is because he didn't seem to understand what the other poster was saying.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Dwight/Deron

[pnyozzzoo]

Dwight/Deron
Dwight is not that bad, his not 100% and his defensive impact is still huge. Lakers want to have Love this year? as of now no 3,no defense, bad attitude and also not 100%

[Himan12]

Never considered him a superstar. I always thought of him as a star player just below that elite tier.

Superstars: Lbj, durant, kobe, rose... ect ect
Elite: rondo, westbrooke, paul, wade, duncan...ect ect
Stars: dwill among others

This is just an example of an incomplete rankings list of where I feel he belongs.

[fpliii]

Never considered him a superstar. I always thought of him as a star player just below that elite tier.

Superstars: Lbj, durant, kobe, rose... ect ect
Elite: rondo, westbrooke, paul, wade, duncan...ect ect
Stars: dwill among others

This is just an example of an incomplete rankings list of where I feel he belongs.

hmmmmmm

[Bigsmoke]

CP3, Rondo, and Westbrook are the only PGs that i think that are better. "Rose haven't played a game yet this season"

being a top 5 PG in a league with many great PG is a honor itself.

[kNIOKAS]

Never considered him a superstar. I always thought of him as a star player just below that elite tier.

Superstars: Lbj, durant, kobe, rose... ect ect
Elite: rondo, westbrooke, paul, wade, duncan...ect ect
Stars: dwill among others

This is just an example of an incomplete rankings list of where I feel he belongs.
I need negs back so you could ****ing serve for what you just said

[Himan12]

hmmmmmm

I know rose is injured but I always felt he had a much greater impact in transforming his team into an elite team more-so than the other 2 (I'm also considering the fact that if the other 2 were the main guys for the bulls that they wouldnt be as good as d.rose has been). Also cant be helped that wade has lost a step (injuries) and that I think rose has closed the gap in the intangibles that paul brings that always made him perceived as the better player.

[Himan12]

I need negs back so you could ****ing serve for what you just said


Uh-oh. :oldlol:

I honestly thought those rankings were fine.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Hilarious how much this board was pro Deron >>> CP3 until about a year ago :lol But this is also the same place where there are people that still think Wall>>>>Irving

[gigantes]

Hilarious how much this board was pro Deron >>> CP3 until about a year ago :lol But this is also the same place where there are people that still think Wall>>>>Irving
scary thing is that they may have been right, going by history.


a healthy deron williams in sloan's flex offense may well have edged CP3 as the better overall player .


not sure who this guy is that we have now on the nets, but he's clearly not that person. "deron marbury the hamburgler" is what some nets fans are now calling him.

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/1951/226391-hamburglar.jpg

[fpliii]

scary thing is that they may have been right, going by history.


a healthy deron williams in sloan's flex offense may well have edged CP3 as the better overall player .


not sure who this guy is that we have now on the nets, but he's clearly not that person. "deron marbury the hamburgler" is what some nets fans are now calling him.


wow...

[gigantes]

wow...
so let me guess... in your eyes, i'm out on an extreme limb in batshit crazy-ville, saying something no national writer or well-respected basketball guy ever said before...?