Ricky Rubio not as bad in Euroleague as you have been lead to believe

[gabepizza]

This is Barcelona's team stats when they on the the Euro champions.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=E2009

Not only was Rubio the starting point guard age 19 but he lead the team in assists and steals, was 4th in mpg and 6th in ppg. So don't anyone tell you Rubio was a scrub in Euroleague. He was a major piece of a Euroleague champion.

[chips93]

the stats you show are his stats from his second last season in barcelona. he regressed in his last season, and thats what made people worry

in his last season, he shot 36% from the floor, 25% from the 3pt line, 77% from the FT line, was again first in apg, but was 8th on his own team in ppg.

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=100&page=3&Stats=2011

[CavaliersFTW]

IIRC Rubio stated on twitter a few times that he was disinterested and felt unchallenged overseas. Some athletes need legitimately good competititon to "play-up" to in order to maximise their own potential, he's probably one of those types of athletes. How bored would you be if you were in college and had to take a tedious unnecessary course on something as basic as say, long division? Would you show up to class every day and do your homework all the time? Maybe.... but I know not everyone can stand that kind of mundane emptiness when you feel completely unchallenged. The NBA was a necessary move for him.

[gabepizza]

Okay. I noticed he was 7th in scoring not 6th but he was 6th in rebounds. But that means at worse he was one of the top 7 players and I think even better because he led the team in assists and steals and we all know that Rubio's strength is not scoring but making his teammates better.

And notice how when the games get bigger his stats go up. In the two final four games, the biggest games of Euroleague, he still lead the champs in assists and steals but jumped to 3rd in points and tied for 3rd in rebounds. All this in the final four games for the Euroleague champions. Pretty good for a scrub eh?

[gabepizza]

the stats you show are his stats from his second last season in barcelona. he regressed in his last season, and thats what made people worry

in his last season, he shot 36% from the floor, 25% from the 3pt line, 77% from the FT line, was again first in apg, but was 8th on his own team in ppg.

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=100&page=3&Stats=2011

Yes I know he digressed in his next season (his last in Euroleague) but that still doesn't take away for fact that he was a major contributor for a Euroleague champion and far from a scrub.

[gabepizza]

the stats you show are his stats from his second last season in barcelona. he regressed in his last season, and thats what made people worry

in his last season, he shot 36% from the floor, 25% from the 3pt line, 77% from the FT line, was again first in apg, but was 8th on his own team in ppg.

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=100&page=3&Stats=2011


Also that link you gave is for the Spanish league (ACB) not Euroleague. Each European team plays in like a superleague with the best teams from different national league (Euroleague is the top) and their national leagues (where ACB is the best). But Rubio regressed in Euroleague as well.

[chips93]

IIRC Rubio stated on twitter a few times that he was disinterested and felt unchallenged overseas. Some athletes need legitimately good competititon to "play-up" to in order to maximise their own potential, he's probably one of those types of athletes. How bored would you be if you were in college and had to take a tedious unnecessary course on something as basic as say, long division? Would you show up to class every day and do your homework all the time? Maybe.... but I know not everyone can stand that kind of mundane emptiness when you feel completely unchallenged. The NBA was a necessary move for him.

but his stats, and reports from scouts show, that he really struggled at times in europe. he was 8th on his own team in scoring!? i think it had very little to do with the euroleague being beneath him

im speculating here, but id guess that if he was disinterested, some part of him had to think that regardless of how he played, he was already drafted at that point, it didnt make a difference. he was gonna get paid well for getting picked as high as he did, and he was gonna play in the nba soon. so how he played in spain didnt matter.

on top of that, i just dont think the grind-it-out style of europe didnt suit him. he played with a lot of other good players, and played in a very rigid system in barca, that granted him little freedom, freedom to play his own style, and to make mistakes.

the nba's more open, fast, athletic style suits him a lot better. i think thats the main reason hes doing so much better. it has little to do with the eurloeague being 'unchallenging'

[chips93]

Yes I know he digressed in his next season (his last in Euroleague) but that still doesn't take away for fact that he was a major contributor for a Euroleague champion and far from a scrub.

im certainly not implying he was a scrub in barca. anyone who does is simply clueless. but there was reason to be worried, that a future nba player was regressing, and was only 8th on his own team in scoring.

it was a pretty unique situation.

[FireDavidKahn]

the stats you show are his stats from his second last season in barcelona. he regressed in his last season, and thats what made people worry

in his last season, he shot 36% from the floor, 25% from the 3pt line, 77% from the FT line, was again first in apg, but was 8th on his own team in ppg.

http://www.eurobasket.com/team.asp?Cntry=Spain&Team=100&page=3&Stats=2011
Rubio never regressed, his coach just never used him correctly. Rubio's job in Barcelona was to give the ball to Navarro and go stand in the corner.

[Euroleague]

Also that link you gave is for the Spanish league (ACB) not Euroleague. Each European team plays in like a superleague with the best teams from different national league (Euroleague is the top) and their national leagues (where ACB is the best). But Rubio regressed in Euroleague as well.

Spanish League is NOT the best national league in Europe you ****ing dumb ass.

[IGOTGAME]

IIRC Rubio stated on twitter a few times that he was disinterested and felt unchallenged overseas. Some athletes need legitimately good competititon to "play-up" to in order to maximise their own potential, he's probably one of those types of athletes. How bored would you be if you were in college and had to take a tedious unnecessary course on something as basic as say, long division? Would you show up to class every day and do your homework all the time? Maybe.... but I know not everyone can stand that kind of mundane emptiness when you feel completely unchallenged. The NBA was a necessary move for him.
Link or stfu troll.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Spanish League is NOT the best national league in Europe you ****ing dumb ass.
ACB is the best european league by far.

[Euroleague]

ACB is the best european league by far.

BULLSHIT.

The United League is WAY BETTER than the Spanish League. Not even close.

[Euroleague]

IIRC Rubio stated on twitter a few times that he was disinterested and felt unchallenged overseas. Some athletes need legitimately good competititon to "play-up" to in order to maximise their own potential, he's probably one of those types of athletes. How bored would you be if you were in college and had to take a tedious unnecessary course on something as basic as say, long division? Would you show up to class every day and do your homework all the time? Maybe.... but I know not everyone can stand that kind of mundane emptiness when you feel completely unchallenged. The NBA was a necessary move for him.



Here is a link to Rubio saying the NBA is easier than the Euroleague.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_-MI6Z1cV4

I guess he got injured in the NBA, because he just didn't care anymore to play in such a low level that was clearly beneath him. After all, he clearly felt unchallenged by the rest of the NBA.

[stallionaire]

euroleague is amazing development league. been saying this forever. glad i was right. players get bored there, too easy.

[Euroleague]

euroleague is amazing development league. been saying this forever. glad i was right. players get bored there, too easy.

Then why did Rubio say that the NBA is easier than the Euroleague?

[gabepizza]

Then why did Rubio say that the NBA is easier than the Euroleague?

He mean's it's easier offensively. More wide open with the three second rule especially for players with court vision like Rubio. It sure wasn't easier for Spanoulis who averaged like 2.7 ppg. Slow Euros like Spanoiulis and Jasikevicius got exposed for that reason. Not only are they playing with better athletes but there is no zone to protect them defense. So for offensive wizards with court vision like Rubio the NBA offensively is easier. For slow, unathletic Euro guards like Spanoulis and Jasikevicius it is much harder.

[Qwertyazerty]

BULLSHIT.

The United League is WAY BETTER than the Spanish League. Not even close.

First of all, are you aware the united league is an international league?
Secondly, at that time (2009-2010) ACB was considered as the 2nd best national league in the world. Still now it is considered and only you will consider Euroleague or United league as being NATIONAL.

If they choose to make a mediterranean league with Spain, France, Italy, Turkey, Greece... it will piss all over the united league. It is due to the poor competition they had in the eastern and northen national leagues that they choose to create an international league.

[Euroleague]

First of all, are you aware the united league is an international league?
Secondly, at that time (2009-2010) ACB was considered as the 2nd best national league in the world. Still now it is considered and only you will consider Euroleague or United league as being NATIONAL.

If they choose to make a mediterranean league with Spain, France, Italy, Turkey, Greece... it will piss all over the united league. It is due to the poor competition they had in the eastern and northen national leagues that they choose to create an international league.

The United League is the national domestic league of Russia. United League games between Russian teams are what are used to count as Russian League games.

United League games are what are used to determine the league rankings by Euroleague for Russia. Euroleague officially recognized United League as Russia's domestic league. It's like what used to be USSR League basically.

So yes, United League is considered a domestic league for Russian clubs. And if you just look at Russian clubs, they are better on average than Spanish clubs are. So Euroleague, not only "me" considers United League to be a national league. Also, again, just the Russian clubs are better than the Spanish clubs on average.

So if you claim only United League games that occur between Russian clubs, it is still a better league competition than the Spanish League is.

[Euroleague]

He mean's it's easier offensively. More wide open with the three second rule especially for players with court vision like Rubio. It sure wasn't easier for Spanoulis who averaged like 2.7 ppg. Slow Euros like Spanoiulis and Jasikevicius got exposed for that reason. Not only are they playing with better athletes but there is no zone to protect them defense. So for offensive wizards with court vision like Rubio the NBA offensively is easier. For slow, unathletic Euro guards like Spanoulis and Jasikevicius it is much harder.


Spanoulis is leaps more athletic than Rubio is. Rubio was one of the least athletic rotation point guards in Euroleague. Rubio said the NBA is EASIER than the Euroleague.

Rubio is less athletic and slower than Spanoulis, so if Spanoulis is too slow and nonathletic to play in the NBA, then so is Rubio.

[Nero Tulip]

Pass first point guards are just easy to underrate, especially in the Euroleague where they don't give you an automatic assist every time a teammate scores.

Besides Rubio was very good, even his last season. Anyone calling him a scrub at that point was a known retard.

[ZenMaster]

Pass first point guards are just easy to underrate, especially in the Euroleague where they don't give you an automatic assist every time a teammate scores.

Besides Rubio was very good, even his last season. Anyone calling him a scrub at that point was a known retard.


90% of this board was doing that at the time.

[CavaliersFTW]

Spanoulis is leaps more athletic than Rubio is. Rubio was one of the least athletic rotation point guards in Euroleague. Rubio said the NBA is EASIER than the Euroleague.

Rubio is less athletic and slower than Spanoulis, so if Spanoulis is too slow and nonathletic to play in the NBA, then so is Rubio.
http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCM/headshots/GRE/_215/Small_7-VasilisSPANOULIS_Greece_.jpg

MORE ATHLETIC THAN LEBRON :bowdown:

[Euroleague]

Pass first point guards are just easy to underrate, especially in the Euroleague where they don't give you an automatic assist every time a teammate scores.

Besides Rubio was very good, even his last season. Anyone calling him a scrub at that point was a known retard.

Rubio was absolute trash in Euroleague.

[chains5000]

Besides Rubio was very good, even his last season. Anyone calling him a scrub at that point was a known retard.
The word should have been "disappointment", didn't live up to the hype while playing for Barcelona. He was far from a scrub though.


And IMO, the ACB League was the best European back then. Not so sure now that the money is in Russia or Turkey.

[CLTHornets4eva]

http://www.fiba.com/images/web/Events/10/FWCM/headshots/GRE/_215/Small_7-VasilisSPANOULIS_Greece_.jpg

MORE ATHLETIC THAN LEBRON :bowdown:
lOL

[Euroleague]

The word should have been "disappointment", didn't live up to the hype while playing for Barcelona. He was far from a scrub though.


And IMO, the ACB League was the best European back then. Not so sure now that the money is in Russia or Turkey.

Spanish League is still way better than Turkish League. But it's definitely not as good as Russia's teams anymore on average.

The big difference is that the Russia system does not have a whole bunch of scrub teams. ACB was wanting to eliminate 4 teams, because there are way too many bad teams in it now. They should have done that, but unfortunately the smaller clubs rejected it. They should still do it.

Italy's league has too many teams also, and so does Turkey's league.

Greece has just 14, and really I think they should go to about 12. Russia has just 10. There should be less clubs definitely than 18 in ACB. If it had just 14, like Barca asked for, then it would eliminate a lot of scrub teams.

I also think the no relegation is helping the Russian clubs. The other leagues can't follow that, but maybe they should only relegate one club, instead of 2. I know Greek League really needs to only relegate one team, because they are bankrupting clubs with the current system.

Russia's system of having just 10 teams, using United League games to count as their domestic League, and not relegating the clubs is working like a charm for them. Of course, the $200 million sponsorship that Prokhorov gave the league did not hurt either.

Yes, Spanish League was the best domestic league a couple years ago, but gabepizza and some others are saying it is the best now, and it isn't. I would still put it 2nd though.

[gabepizza]

Rubio was absolute trash in Euroleague.

This whole post is about exposing that lie.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=E2009

Here again I have posted the link for the world to see. This is the stats of Barca when they were Euroleague champs. As the link shows Rubio not only was a major contributor (4th on the team in mpg) and starting pg for the Euroleague champions. He also lead the EUROLEAGUE CHAMPIONS in ASSISTS and STEALS.

This has caught you in a lie. You repeat the lie Rubio was trash but now it has been shown that he led a Euroleague championship team in steals and assists. So now it has also been shown that you are a liar. How many other things about Euroleague do you lie about?

I see where your twisted mind comes from. Yes Rubio might have been over rated in Euroleague. As many NBA fans might not have known he was not one of the top guards in Euroleague or even on his own team for that matter. But for you to turn around and go to the extreme in the other direction, claiming he was trash and one of the worst players ever when he was the starting point guard and major contributor of a Euroleague champion at 19!

I could go on and on with your lies. Josh Childress is another example. Yes he did not dominate Euroleague and NBA fans who are misinformed should be corrected. But you calling him absolute trash when he was selected to All-Euroleague second team (meaning the 2nd best in his position) and got his team to the final game and even in that loss led his team in scoring in rebounds, means he was not trash.

So 99% of this site know you are a troll. I just think it is cool that now with this link I have given it has been proven without a doubt that you are a liar. And if you would lie about Rubio being trash no one can really trust anything you say...troll.

[Shepseskaf]

Rubio never regressed, his coach just never used him correctly. Rubio's job in Barcelona was to give the ball to Navarro and go stand in the corner.
:roll:

Its amazing. Some players never regress; its just the coach's fault for not using them the right way.

Wasn't the same exact thing posted about Lin recently?

Fanboys never get it. Its OK to admit that your hero isn't perfect, and has flaws that need to be worked on.

Rubio was definitely regressing when it came to shooting the ball. I'm looking forward to see if he'll be able to improve on that when he gets back.

[Nero Tulip]

90% of this board was doing that at the time.

Indeed.

[FireDavidKahn]

:roll:

Its amazing. Some players never regress; its just the coach's fault for not using them the right way.

Wasn't the same exact thing posted about Lin recently?

Fanboys never get it. Its OK to admit that your hero isn't perfect, and has flaws that need to be worked on.

Rubio was definitely regressing when it came to shooting the ball. I'm looking forward to see if he'll be able to improve on that when he gets back.
It's amazing that you didn't watch him in Barcelona at all. He WAS completely misused. Regardless, those teams he was on were so loaded with talent it didn't really matter. However, if you are being misused that doesn't mean you have regressed.

Besides, you've been a Rubio hater since day 1 and have been proven wrong time and again about him.

[IGOTGAME]

:roll:

Its amazing. Some players never regress; its just the coach's fault for not using them the right way.

Wasn't the same exact thing posted about Lin recently?

Fanboys never get it. Its OK to admit that your hero isn't perfect, and has flaws that need to be worked on.

Rubio was definitely regressing when it came to shooting the ball. I'm looking forward to see if he'll be able to improve on that when he gets back.
You really shouldn't be able to comment on Rubio anymore. I had to set you straight on him last year. You are really a hateful person.

[Shepseskaf]

Besides, you've been a Rubio hater since day 1 and have been proven wrong time and again about him.
I was extremely skeptical of Rubio before the start of last season, for a variety of reasons.

However, when he came in and played well I gave him full credit for doing so. That doesn't mean that he's above criticism, and the shooting issue was definitely a problem.

[Fiba basketball]

Pass first point guards are just easy to underrate, especially in the Euroleague where they don't give you an automatic assist every time a teammate scores.

Papaloukas , Teodosic , Diamantidis , Jasikevicius are all great passers and I wouldn't call them underrated . Rubio wasn't that bad compared to all Euroleague pgs but for someone with that much hype he was very bad . Lets compare him to his teammates from Wolfs that also played in EL , Shved played better that him in Euroleague , not to mention Pekovic and AK who were among the best EL players , that's why I consider 3 of them better than him .

[Eric Cartman]

Can someone compare his stats from the Euroleague vs NBA side by side so i can make a better assessment on him?

[RRR3]

Euroleague (crazed troll): "Rubio was absolute trash in Euroleague and every sane European poster agrees with me!
You are all disgusting racists! :mad: :mad: :cry: :cry: :rant :rant"


European posters in this thread


Nero Tulip: "Rubio was very good, even his last season [in Euroleague]"

chains5000: "He was far from a scrub"

Fiba basketball: "Rubio wasn't that bad compared to all European PG's"




Euroleague (crazed troll) making up shit again :facepalm

[Euroleague]

It's amazing that you didn't watch him in Barcelona at all. He WAS completely misused. Regardless, those teams he was on were so loaded with talent it didn't really matter. However, if you are being misused that doesn't mean you have regressed.

Besides, you've been a Rubio hater since day 1 and have been proven wrong time and again about him.


That's freaking hilarious, because all you said here on this forum for months was that Rubio had horrible scrub teammates on Barca that were so pathetic they could not ever finish any of his passes. That no one on his team could ever make an open jump shot or dunk the ball. That was your excuse for why he didn't not have that great of assist numbers in Euroleague.

Now all of a sudden it's how great and loaded that team was, which is your excuse for why he was about the 10th man in importance on that team.

You hypocritical pricks really are too much.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague (crazed troll): "Rubio was absolute trash in Euroleague and every sane European poster agrees with me!
You are all disgusting racists! :mad: :mad: :cry: :cry: :rant :rant"


European posters in this thread


Nero Tulip: "Rubio was very good, even his last season [in Euroleague]"

chains5000: "He was far from a scrub"

Fiba basketball: "Rubio wasn't that bad compared to all European PG's"




Euroleague (crazed troll) making up shit again :facepalm


Rubio averaged 2.3 air balls per game his last season in Euroleague. He shot so many air balls, that it was actually a stat that people kept. You are simply totally full of shit if you say Rubio was not playing like total ass for the most part when he was with Barca.

Let me put it this way........Nick Calathes pretty much sucked in Euroleague and he was pretty much a cancer to the whole offensive system of Panathinaikos. With that being said, he was even much better than Rubio was.

I basically thought of Calathes as a scrub in Euroleague that played a good to great game about 3 times in a season. And even he was basically dominating the hell out of Rubio whenever they played each other.

The same guy that I was happy to see finally get the hell off of Panathinaikos. Roko Ukic replaced Calathes and I was even happy at that, considering it quite an upgrade. And I don't think Ukic is all that good.......

Ukic, a guy I don't really think is that good, is like a HOF level player in Euroleague compared to what Rubio was.

People saying differently are lying pieces of shit that have never seen Rubio play even one Euroleague game.

Rubio wasn't all bad in Euroleague. He was great at defense, and he was definitely a good passer and ball handler. But his scoring and shooting was literally THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN IN EUROLEAGUE.

Ricky Rubio in Euroleague was like a poor man's poor man's Pablo Prigioni. The fans of Barca were jumping for joy when they finally got rid of him. His coach at Barca was so sick of him he could not wait to get rid of him.

Spanish media was criticizing his play all over the place.

Yet, we are supposed to believe from the minds of some pathological liars that have never even seen him play in Euroleague, that he was this great player and led his team to a Euroleague championship.

Get a life.

[KingBeasley08]

Rubio averaged 2.3 air balls per game his last season in Euroleague. He shot so many air balls, that it was actually a stat that people kept. You are simply totally full of shit if you say Rubio was not playing like total ass for the most part when he was with Barca.

Let me put it this way........Nick Calathes pretty much sucked in Euroleague and he was pretty much a cancer to the whole offensive system of Panathinaikos. With that being said, he was even much better than Rubio was.

I basically thought of Calathes as a scrub in Euroleague that played a good to great game about 3 times in a season. And even he was basically dominating the hell out of Rubio whenever they played each other.

The same guy that I was happy to see finally get the hell off of Panathinaikos. Roko Ukic replaced Calathes and I was even happy at that, considering it quite an upgrade. And I don't think Ukic is all that good.......

Ukic, a guy I don't really think is that good, is like a HOF level player in Euroleague compared to what Rubio was.

People saying differently are lying pieces of shit that have never seen Rubio play even one Euroleague game.

Rubio wasn't all bad in Euroleague. He was great at defense, and he was definitely a good passer and ball handler. But his scoring and shooting was literally THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN IN EUROLEAGUE.

Ricky Rubio in Euroleague was like a poor man's poor man's Pablo Prigioni. The fans of Barca were jumping for joy when they finally got rid of him. His coach at Barca was so sick of him he could not wait to get rid of him.

Spanish media was criticizing his play all over the place.

Yet, we are supposed to believe from the minds of some pathological liars that have never even seen him play in Euroleague, that he was this great player and led his team to a Euroleague championship.

Get a life.
Peyton Manning = NFL GOAT
Anthony Parker = Euroleague GOAT
Your hoe = My bed's GOAT :pimp:

u :mad: ?

[gabepizza]

That's freaking hilarious, because all you said here on this forum for months was that Rubio had horrible scrub teammates on Barca that were so pathetic they could not ever finish any of his passes. That no one on his team could ever make an open jump shot or dunk the ball. That was your excuse for why he didn't not have that great of assist numbers in Euroleague.

Now all of a sudden it's how great and loaded that team was, which is your excuse for why he was about the 10th man in importance on that team.

You hypocritical pricks really are too much.

Again I'm not discussing his last year when he digressed, I'm discussing the year he won a champion. Again with your lies. 10th man in importance. He led the team in steals and assists, was 4th in mgp and 6th in ppg! Yes in actual points which is his weakness he was 6th. He was even 6th in rebounds for Christ's sake. So every single team stat (except blocks I guess) he was in the top 6 and he was #1 in assists and steals yet he was about the 10th man of importance? That fact has been proven wrong. At worst he was the 6th man in importance and probably like the 4th or the 5th and this was on a Euroleague champion. Stop with your lies. The fact of the team stats show how much you are a liar.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=BAR&seasoncode=E2009

[gabepizza]

Can someone compare his stats from the Euroleague vs NBA side by side so i can make a better assessment on him?

2006-07
Euroleague MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BBG PPG
Joventut Badalona
16 0 18.9 .348 .167 .767 2.4 2.8 3.2 .1 3.6
2008-09
Joventut Badalona
5 2 13.3 .300 .333 .625 2.4 2.8 1.8 .0 2.4
2009-10
Barcelona
22 22 20.9 .370 .358 .893 2.9 4.1 1.4 .0 6.8
2010-11
Barcelona
20 17 22.7 .310 .224 .836 3.3 3.5 1.6 .1 6.5
Career
63 41 20.4 .341 .276 .832 2.8 3.5 2.0 .0 5.5

NBA
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
41 31 34.2 .357 .340 .803 4.2 8.2 2.2 0.2 10.6

But one important thing to remember is the Euroleague games are eight minutes shorter than NBA games so Euroleague stats, especially offensive stats are a lot lower. For example this year Rondo is leading the NBA in assists with 12.9 pg yet in Euroleague Spanoulis is leading the league with only 6.3 pg, half Rondo the NBA leader. So that has to be taken into account when comparing NBA and Euroleague stats. For example when Rubio won the championship with Barca in 2010 his 4.1 apg was 4th in assists in the whole of Euroleague.

[Qwertyazerty]

The United League is the national domestic league of Russia. United League games between Russian teams are what are used to count as Russian League games...

PBL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Professional_Basketball_League
VTB United league http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTB_United_League

That being said, I agree with those saying Rubio wasn't among top PG's in his last season playing for Bar

[Partizan]

To be honest I never really liked Rubio, always felt like he would be known as choker in his career...
But his last season in NBA made me to start liking him... There is no basketball fan who didn't enjoy seeing him play last year...
It is obvious that NBA style of play suits him better, he has no outside shot and with congested space in Euroleague due to no defensive 3 seconds, he was never really able to score efficently. Main reason for his sub par last season in Europe is that all teams started sagging off him, his defender was closing his passing lanes and he had no space to operate as he was unable to penetrate or score from the outside consistently.
It will be interesting to see will NBA teams change their D to counter him and how he will react to it...

[chains5000]

Its amazing. Some players never regress; its just the coach's fault for not using them the right way.
In this case, I have to agree with the "coach's fault" excuse. It's not only been him, Barcelona's current PG, Marcelinho Huertas, has suffered the same fate. Pascual's (coach) system is just not PG friendly.

[chains5000]

Can someone compare his stats from the Euroleague vs NBA side by side so i can make a better assessment on him?
Not really comparable, specially considering the stat you'd be most interested in is assists per game (harder to get assists in FIBA ball).

[chains5000]

Spanish media was criticizing his play all over the place.
This is true.
Euroleague takes it too far when calling Barcelona's Rubio a scrub, but it's clear it's the worst part of his career so far.
You got to admit Rubio's got some flaws in his game, like shooting. Then you add a system that doesn't maximize your best points, and instead focuses your game in your flaws, and you got a huge disappointment (and let's not forget how huge the hype was).

[Euroleague]

2006-07
Euroleague MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BBG PPG
Joventut Badalona
16 0 18.9 .348 .167 .767 2.4 2.8 3.2 .1 3.6
2008-09
Joventut Badalona
5 2 13.3 .300 .333 .625 2.4 2.8 1.8 .0 2.4
2009-10
Barcelona
22 22 20.9 .370 .358 .893 2.9 4.1 1.4 .0 6.8
2010-11
Barcelona
20 17 22.7 .310 .224 .836 3.3 3.5 1.6 .1 6.5
Career
63 41 20.4 .341 .276 .832 2.8 3.5 2.0 .0 5.5

NBA
Year GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
41 31 34.2 .357 .340 .803 4.2 8.2 2.2 0.2 10.6

But one important thing to remember is the Euroleague games are eight minutes shorter than NBA games so Euroleague stats, especially offensive stats are a lot lower. For example this year Rondo is leading the NBA in assists with 12.9 pg yet in Euroleague Spanoulis is leading the league with only 6.3 pg, half Rondo the NBA leader. So that has to be taken into account when comparing NBA and Euroleague stats. For example when Rubio won the championship with Barca in 2010 his 4.1 apg was 4th in assists in the whole of Euroleague.

The minutes played per game are listed there dumb ass. Also, you can't extrapolate minutes per game like you are doing. That's absurd. Just because the game is 8 minutes longer is does not mean the stats just extrapolate out to 8 minutes.

You are not factoring in rotation size, other players getting more PT, fatigue, etc.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]PBL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Professional_Basketball_League
VTB United league http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTB_United_League

That being said, I agree with those saying Rubio wasn't among top PG's in his last season playing for Bar

[Euroleague]

To be honest I never really liked Rubio, always felt like he would be known as choker in his career...
But his last season in NBA made me to start liking him... There is no basketball fan who didn't enjoy seeing him play last year...
It is obvious that NBA style of play suits him better, he has no outside shot and with congested space in Euroleague due to no defensive 3 seconds, he was never really able to score efficently. Main reason for his sub par last season in Europe is that all teams started sagging off him, his defender was closing his passing lanes and he had no space to operate as he was unable to penetrate or score from the outside consistently.
It will be interesting to see will NBA teams change their D to counter him and how he will react to it...

Precisely. That's all I ever said here, and for that I have been branded as a "Ruibio hater" by the extreme hardcore wing of the NBA only fans that would attack whenever the thought of a player doing better in NBA than he could do in Euroleague gets mentioned.

But yes, it's exactly right. I said all along that I have nothing against Rubio. He's obviously a good and talented player and very fun to watch. I simply said he is a liability on offense if teams sag off him and make him a scorer and close on his passing lanes.

It simply took Euroleague teams awhile to figure it out, and the same with NBA. Maybe NBA teams will never figure it out, who knows right now. But if they do, then he will struggle without being able to finish his shot.

It's nothing personal against Rubio. As I said all along here, he would do better in the NBA because NBA teams would not know how to play him, and because the lane is wide open. Which is why bad Euroleague point guards are regularly going to the NBA and putting up big numbers.

The only issue I have is this bullshit that says Rubio was this great Euroleague player, that le hed his team to a Euroleague championship, that he was the best point guard in Europe, that any time he had a bad game it was because of "how his coach used him", etc.

It's total and complete bullshit. NBA only fans just can't admit that mediocre and even bad Euroleague point guards keep doing well in the NBA. Because then they would have to admit that the NBA is a joke defensively, due to the rules and reffing.

Again, I have nothing against Rubio. He's hell of fun to watch playing in the NBA. But there is no reason for people to lie and create this imaginary fake history where he was tearing up Euroleague, just to keep this fake image of the NBA going.

Really, to be honest about it, seeing what Rubio could do in the NBA after struggling in Euroleague, and seeing what Prigioni can do in the NBA about 5 years past his prime, it really makes me wonder what Papaloukas could have done in the NBA.

He was a similar type of player to them, only he couldn't guard the one position. Worse shooter than Prigioni, and more athletic than Rubio. But still, pretty much the same type of style of player.

Considering though that he was actually better than the other two, it makes me wonder just how much the NBA's zero defense would have been exposed by his passing.