Where do you rank Kobe's '09 Finals

[9erempiree]

http://www.nbahub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kobe-bryant-finals-game-4.jpg

Kobe's stats in 2009 finals: 32.4 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 1.5 SPG, 44% FG, 84% FT, 37% 3PT FG. Not to mention Courtney Lee and Mikeal Pietrus (very good defenders) were gaurding him and Dwight controlled the paint! Kobe really dominated this series.

Videos to come in the next few days...quite remarkable and for those that didn't watch....this dominance trumps any of Michael Jordan's....to MJ's credit he had 3 dominant Finals but peak Finals performance?...this beats out MJ's.

[RRR3]

GOAT performance obviously. LAWD GAWDBE is DA GOAT and he's sexy too. :bowdown:

[StateOfMind12]

His Finals wasn't that impressive but it certainly was one of his better ones. I would say it was his 2nd best Finals performance with 2002 vs. the Nets being #1.

[scandisk_]

True. This trumps any of MJ's performance.

Praise our GAWD :rockon: and MJ fans should convert too. F*ck em non-believers!

[KOBE143]

Even tho Im a Kobe fan(for those who didnt know..) I will rank his 2009 finals performance unbiasedly..




hmm.. top 3 at worst? :confusedshrug:

[necya]

he shot 43% and 36 from 3, but i guess it was 2 mitakes by your keyboard...
no one will remember those finals, people will remember that Garnett was injured and the Celtics could not repeat.

[Magic 32]

he shot 43% and 36 from 3, but i guess it was 2 mitakes by your keyboard...
no one will remember those finals, people will remember that Garnett was injured and the Celtics could not repeat.

Just like they remember Bynum being out in 08, right?

[necya]

Just like they remember Bynum being out in 08, right?

i will remember more 08 with the Gasol "trade" and the funny 39pts humiliation. no doubt Bynum would have cut the deficit...

[Kblaze8855]

Off the top of my head...7th best finals since 1999. Kobe has played better. That wasnt his best series that season. Not that I think this was a question/topic to be taken serious.

[Hoopz2332]

Videos to come in the next few days...quite remarkable and for those that didn't watch....this dominance trumps any of Michael Jordan's....to MJ's credit he had 3 dominant Finals but peak Finals performance?...this beats out MJ's.


:biggums: :wtf: :roll:

[jstern]

I remember Fisher bailing him out.

[Overdrive]

Top 5 finals performance since '09 for sure.

[secund2nun]

Good but not legendary. It's hard to rank a 43% shooting performance up there any where close with the great final performances of all times unless you are doing something crazy like nearing a triple double. There have been many better.

[Magic 32]

i will remember more 08 with the Gasol "trade" and the funny 39pts humiliation. no doubt Bynum would have cut the deficit...

Ahhh yes, the "Bynum wouldn’t have made a difference in game 6" argument.

Truly pathetic.

How about game 2 (the Powe show remember?) and game 4. Bynum wouldn’t have made even a little bit of difference, kiddo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa9LN2ur4Sg

[9erempiree]

To be fair here, the Celtics was built with 3 Hall of Famers to beat one Kobe Bryant.

Celtics were a very good team and it took 3 Failed Lead Dogs to do it.

I can't really recall any superstar being slayed like that besides Kobe.

[secund2nun]

To be fair here, the Celtics was built with 3 Hall of Famers to beat one Kobe Bryant.

Celtics were a very good team and it took 3 Failed Lead Dogs to do it.

I can't really recall any superstar being slayed like that besides Kobe.

And what was Kobe doing before Gasol? Losing in the first round 3 straight years in a row after Shaq left.

It works both ways. KG led trash to the WCF one year.

[Magic 32]

And what was Kobe doing before Gasol? Losing in the first round 3 straight years in a row after Shaq left.

It works both ways. KG led trash to the WCF one year.


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[necya]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Ahhh yes, the "Bynum wouldn

[necya]

Top 5 finals performance since '09 for sure.

:oldlol:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Good but not legendary. It's hard to rank a 43% shooting performance up there any where close with the great final performances of all times unless you are doing something crazy like nearing a triple double. There have been many better.

Being the only other person besides West to average 32/7 in a finals is somewhat legendary though. And the first since Jordan to average 30/5/5 on a title winning team.

Well maybe not legendary, but very respectable.

[Money 23]

Rookie Courtney Lee isn't that great of a defender, and Michael Pietrus is decent.

Let's not exaggerate.

He balled out of his mind in games 1 (best Kobe Finals performance) and was killer in game 5. I remember for a chunk of the series he shot poorly, and was having Fisher bail him out. With that said he made some very nice passes. Such as the spin move, over the shoulder to trailing Pau Gasol for the dunk over D12.

[LEFT4DEAD]

His best finals performance, but it doesn't say so much. He is the worst finals performer among top 10 players and its not even close.

[Money 23]

His best finals performance, but it doesn't say so much. He is the worst finals performer among top 10 players and its not even close.
He doesn't seem to play well against that ECF style of ball.

[goldenryan]

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[DJ Leon Smith]

To be fair here, the Celtics was built with 3 Hall of Famers to beat one Kobe Bryant.

Celtics were a very good team and it took 3 Failed Lead Dogs to do it.

I can't really recall any superstar being slayed like that besides Kobe.

Excellent point.

And remember how a team of 0 lead dogs (failed or not) held Kobe to 30% shooting in 2004. You probably don't.

P.S. Jordan in 1993. Barkley, KJ, Chambers. Three "failed lead dogs". He beat them. Comprehensively. Step your memory game up.

[NumberSix]

His best finals. Legit fmvp performance. His other finals performances are underwhelming at best though

[tmacattack33]

Where do I rank Kobe's 09 Finals?

8.5/10. Pretty good. Deserved Finals MVP that year.

- I remember some good passing from him that series and that year.

- Bad shooting efficiency. It was against a great D though so it's not too bad though.

- Meh defense...he was on Lee or Pietrus mostly.

- He was not great in the clutch in games 2, 3, and 4 (and games 1 and 5 weren't close games).

[TheMarkMadsen]

haha don't make it like Bynum would givve the title to the Lakers. what is pathetic is to act like Kobe had one of the greatest finals ever forgetting the fact that the Lakers were lucky to not play the Celtics .
and don't take it too seriously, i have no interest for the last 15 years of poor basketball and i don't wanna talk with kobe stans.

That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard "the lakers were lucky to not play the celtics"

Especially when they beat them the very next year
:facepalm

I guess the HEAT were lucky not to face the bulls?

I guess Jordan was lucky that magic got aids & len biase had a bad coke habit.

If you have no intrest of discussing the past 15 yeats of ball then why the hell are you on the internet as a member of a bball website that isn't even 15 years old in itself?

Go back to the old folks home

[Vertical-24]

Anyone saying Kobe's 09 finals was not impressive either does not remember the Finals or is just impartial towards Bryant himself. Kobe went up against one of the leagues best defensive teams and pretty much dominated the whole way through. Bryant made up for his lackluster 08 finals, and did so in a more than remarkable way. This series you got to see Kobe the scorer, Kobe the playmaker, and most important, Kobe the leader all in one. Prior to the series commencing, I remember so many people doubting LA would win. People saying Kobe didn't have what it took to lead his own team to a championship, people saying that Kobe would forever be remembered solely as Shaq's sidekick and I even remember an analyst on ESPN comparing Bryant to Clyde Drexler (who was an amazing player in his own right but is often forgotten about). Kobe silenced all the naysayers. People must've not only forgotten the atmosphere surrounding this series. They must've also forgot his dominance he displayed during the series both as a leader and an overall player. It's a shame.

[Whoah10115]

GOAT performance obviously. LAWD GAWDBE is DA GOAT and he's sexy too. :bowdown:




You're getting repetitive.

[inclinerator]

top 3 all time

[Odinn]

One of top 20 winning finals performances ever.

Bill Russell 1962
Wilt Chamberlain 1967
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1971
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1980
Moses Malone 1983
Larry Bird 1984
Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1985 (at his 38 26/9/5/2/1)
Larry Bird 1986
Magic Johnson 1987
Michael Jordan 1991
Michael Jordan 1992
Michael Jordan 1993
Hakeem Olajuwon 1994
Hakeem Olajuwon 1995
Michael Jordan 1997
Shaquille O'Neal 2000
Shaquille O'Neal 2001
Shaquille O'Neal 2002
Tim Duncan 2003
Dwyane Wade 2006
LeBron James 2012

Some of them are arguable. But most of them are not.

Of course some Kobe-stans will argue. But who cares.:oldlol:

[Horatio33]

Kobe got his numbers, not efficient, no memorable moments apart from the dish to Gasol, Fisher hit the big shots, was guarded by Pietrius and a rookie
Courtney Lee, missed a game winner when he had four open teammates, should have passed and got blocked from behind by Hedo.

Amazing.

[9erempiree]

Kobe got his numbers, not efficient, no memorable moments apart from the dish to Gasol, Fisher hit the big shots, was guarded by Pietrius and a rookie
Courtney Lee, missed a game winner when he had four open teammates, should have passed and got blocked from behind by Hedo.

Amazing.

No memorable moments?:facepalm

The Shot...played in every intro of the Finals since it happened against a DPOY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEicPhnpEYw

[Smoke117]

http://www.nbahub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/kobe-bryant-finals-game-4.jpg

Kobe's stats in 2009 finals: 32.4 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 1.5 SPG, 44% FG, 84% FT, 37% 3PT FG. Not to mention Courtney Lee and Mikeal Pietrus (very good defenders) were gaurding him and Dwight controlled the paint! Kobe really dominated this series.

Videos to come in the next few days...quite remarkable and for those that didn't watch....this dominance trumps any of Michael Jordan's....to MJ's credit he had 3 dominant Finals but peak Finals performance?...this beats out MJ's.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheeBeast]

If you watched the entire playoffs (Kobe, Dwight, Lebron, and Carmelo's teams) you would see that Kobe was on an entire different level than them. I'm not old enough to compare with Jordan's runs but damn, there was nothing even remotely close to what Kobe was doing that year.

9.5/10

[9erempiree]

If you watched the entire playoffs (Kobe, Dwight, Lebron, and Carmelo's teams) you would see that Kobe was on an entire different level than them. I'm not old enough to compare with Jordan's runs but damn, there was nothing even remotely close to what Kobe was doing that year.

9.5/10

Glad to see someone with an opinion who watched the game.

[LA Lakers]

@ OP MJ 1993 Finals, MJ 1998 Finals, MJ 1992 Finals were all more impressive off the top of my head than Kobes 2009 Finals. But you probably werent even born yet...

[TheeBeast]

Jordan said himself not to compare to a different era than yours. That being said, Kobe and Jordan eras just can't be compared.

Both of them were levels better than their opponents.

[LA Lakers]

Of course, except Id say that Kobe Bean is one of a handful of great players from today who could have played at a dominant level in any era.

[TheeBeast]

The man is only human..

[Vertical-24]

If you watched the entire playoffs (Kobe, Dwight, Lebron, and Carmelo's teams) you would see that Kobe was on an entire different level than them. I'm not old enough to compare with Jordan's runs but damn, there was nothing even remotely close to what Kobe was doing that year.

9.5/10
Pretty much sums up the core of my post: People seem to have short term memory.

[LA Lakers]

at least TheeBeast is willing to admit he isnt old enough to compare Kobes 09 run with MJs runs. Just when people go saying Kobes 09 Finals appearance dwarfs anything MJ did to get rings... Dont diminish Jordan and the killer he was. Especially if it looks like you never watched the man play is all, you know?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Pretty much sums up the core of my post: People seem to have short term memory.


More like selective memory, your post earlier was :applause: and summed up the 09 finals & Kobe's perfromance perfectly.

[Force]

Can't rank very high. Just recently Lebron last year and Wades 06 were significantly more impressive.

Also, let's keep in mind, that Magic team is probably the worst team to make the finals in over a decade. Hard to think of a team in recent memory that made the finals that was worse than that team. Can anybody think of a team worse than that to make the finals in recent history? I don't think anybody picked Orlando to be able to win even 2 games in that series, it was a mismatch and went the way it was expected to go.

[tmacattack33]

No memorable moments?:facepalm

The Shot...played in every intro of the Finals since it happened against a DPOY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEicPhnpEYw

Yep. If a made two pointer made in the middle of the 3rd quarter, with the score 65-55, is his most memorable of the series, that pretty much tells you he missed all of his opportunities in the closing moments of the close games (which is kinda true).

And I have never heard of that basket referred to as "the shot". LOL wow

[Force]

I found the list of teams in the finals history.

The only team that was worse than that Magic team was the Cavs that got swept by the Spurs and that is probably arguable. You have to go back into the 1970's to find a team that might have been worse than that Magic team.

Take a look for yourselves. I'm old enough to have watch the finals in the early 80's so I'm not just looking at words and acting like I know what I'm talking about.

http://www.nba.com/history/finals/champions.html

The people calling Kobes 09 as an all time great showing should be ashamed. He played solid ball no doubt, but it wasn't great in any way. I think you are just saying this so you can say out of his 7 trips to the finals, he actually had a great legendary series, which didn't really ever happen.

[LA Lakers]

THE SHOT is a reference to MJ. What was it 1988 or 89 I wanna say? Against Cavs or Pistons? Someone help me out and correct this youngblood.

[LA Lakers]

Yep. If a made two pointer made in the middle of the 3rd quarter, with the score 65-55, is his most memorable of the series, that pretty much tells you he missed all of his opportunities in the closing moments of the close games (which is kinda true).

And I have never heard of that basket referred to as "the shot". LOL wow
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[LA Lakers]

at tmacattack, thats cuz it dont refer to Kobe Bean. It refers to MJ. The thread starter has no idea what they are talking about.

[arifgokcen]

Even tho Im a Kobe fan(for those who didnt know..) I will rank his 2009 finals performance unbiasedly..




hmm.. top 3 at worst? :confusedshrug:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Dude it says how great is our gawd.I am pretty sure my 7 year old nephew would understand you are a kobe fan.So dont worry about that.

That said its a great performance however its not even top 10.For those who is talking about how great orlando was defensively back then,i want to remind you lebron averaged 38-8-8 against orlando on 51% fg

[DatAsh]

@ OP MJ 1993 Finals, MJ 1998 Finals, MJ 1992 Finals were all more impressive off the top of my head than Kobes 2009 Finals. But you probably werent even born yet...

as was his 91' finals.

31.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 11.4 apg, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg on 56% FG 61% TS

[LA Lakers]

as was his 91' finals.

31.2 ppg, 6.6 rpg, 11.4 apg, 2.8 spg, 1.4 bpg on 56% FG 61% TS
We dont speak of that one... ;)

[tmacattack33]

After watching the last few minutes of each of the close games, I might even consider lowering my score for him from 8.5/10 to 8/10.

From memory, i knew he wasn't that clutch in this series, and I remembered the missed game winner of his where he drove against Turkoglu and 3 help defenders and got it blocked while Odom (and, by math, 2 other teammates) was wide open.

But i forgot about some other non-clutch plays of his.





In total, these are his stats in the last five minutes (and OT of games 2 and 4) of the three close games:


7-20 FG (0-4 for 3pt) and 5-7 FT for 17 points
4 assists
3 rebounds
1 turnover

(...and it would have been a lot worse if i included the last 6 minutes of each game instead of 5)

For just the last minute of the three 4th quarters and 2 OT's...:

1-4 FG (0-2 for 3pt) and 1-2 FT for 3 points
2 assists
1 turnover
0-1 on game winners (the one mentioned above that was blocked by Turkoglu)

[TheMarkMadsen]

Can't rank very high. Just recently Lebron last year and Wades 06 were significantly more impressive.

Also, let's keep in mind, that Magic team is probably the worst team to make the finals in over a decade. Hard to think of a team in recent memory that made the finals that was worse than that team. Can anybody think of a team worse than that to make the finals in recent history? I don't think anybody picked Orlando to be able to win even 2 games in that series, it was a mismatch and went the way it was expected to go.


So that magic weren't that good eh?

Then how come the MVP of the league Lebron couldn't will a 60 + win team past the "worst team to ever make the finals"

[DatAsh]

So that magic weren't that good eh?

Then how come the MVP of the league Lebron couldn't will a 60 + win team past the "worst team to ever make the finals"

I don't think he was saying that they "weren't that good" in general, but more in a comparison with other runner-ups over the years, which may be true.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't think he was saying that they "weren't that good" in general, but more in a comparison with other runner-ups over the years, which may be true.


They were the best team in the east come playoff time.

I know KG's absence REALLY hurt the C's and even then I wondered if the Orlando/Boston series outcome would have been different if Kg were healthy. However, you have to play with the cards your dealt, we could play the "what if" game with injuries all day when it comes to the potential change in a series outcome, Orlando winning the East shouldn't be devalued due to one guys injury.

They still had to go through the Cavs who were OVERWHELMING favorites & had the leagues MVP in Lebron who was widely considered best player in the L throughout the regular season.

To try to devalue what Orlando accomplished because of 1 player who was injured is a joke.

The Lakers in 08 were missing 2 starters during the finals, however while serious bbal fans will admit that this had the potential to change the series nobody should ever try to devalue what the C's did because of that.

Staying healthy is just one of many things that eventually accumulate to a championship

[LA Lakers]

02 Nets maybe? Anyone seriously think they were beating The Lakers?

[jstern]

Yep. If a made two pointer made in the middle of the 3rd quarter, with the score 65-55, is his most memorable of the series, that pretty much tells you he missed all of his opportunities in the closing moments of the close games (which is kinda true).

And I have never heard of that basket referred to as "the shot". LOL wow

The Kobe fans bring it up all the time, but I've never actually looked at the score and time of the shot. With how they went on about it I always assumed that it was with about 3 minutes left in the game, with the Lakers down by a couple of points. Thanks for pointing that out. Repped.

[The Iron Fist]

After watching the last few minutes of each of the close games, I might even consider lowering my score for him from 8.5/10 to 8/10.

From memory, i knew he wasn't that clutch in this series, and I remembered the missed game winner of his where he drove against Turkoglu and 3 help defenders and got it blocked while Odom (and, by math, 2 other teammates) was wide open.
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[B])
But if Kobe passes to Odom and Odom makes it, [tmac]Kobe was bailed out by his teammates[/attack33]

No matter what, you'll spin it.

[jstern]

But if Kobe passes to Odom and Odom makes it, [tmac]Kobe was bailed out by his teammates[/attack33]

No matter what, you'll spin it.

No, people would celebrate it. It's when Kobe misses and then one of his teammates makes it because the ball bounced to them is when people say Kobe got bailed out. Or when Kobe misses and misses and Fisher decides not to pass it to Kobe in a clutch moment and and makes it is when people say Kobe was bailed out. It's a sad reality, but if Kobe would pass it to an open teammate an they make it, he would get praised. It happened last playoff against OKC. He got praised by the Kobe haters.

[The Iron Fist]

No, people would celebrate it. It's when Kobe misses and then one of his teammates makes it because the ball bounced to them is when people say Kobe got bailed out. Or when Kobe misses and misses and Fisher decides not to pass it to Kobe in a clutch moment and and makes it is when people say Kobe was bailed out. It's a sad reality, but if Kobe would pass it to an open teammate an they make it, he would get praised. It happened last playoff against OKC. He got praised by the Kobe haters.
So explain why haters label him a chucking ballhog when he leads his team in assists every year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nothing spectacular. Aside from Gm 1, he was average (for his standards). Matter of fact, just like the Finals the following year, he was bailed out in crunch time by his supporting cast.

[red1]

He was pretty good these finals. For game 1 there were a lot of laker jerseys at the bar I was at and shit was getting rowdy because kobe was killin the magic in the first half.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nothing spectacular. Aside from Gm 1, he was average (for his standards). Matter of fact, just like the Finals the following year, he was bailed out in crunch time by his supporting cast.

32 5 7 1.4 1.4 for the series = nothing spectacular? :rolleyes:

Only player to average 30/5/5 through the playoffs and win a ring other than Jordan..

meh..

[jstern]

So explain why haters label him a chucking ballhog when he leads his team in assists every year.

Not sure the reason for the question, perhaps you thought I said that Kobe passed a lot the whole series Vs OKC rather than making the smart plays time after time in one game. But the reason they call him a chucking ballhog is because he forces a lot of shots up rather than passing to an open teammate.

Ant the point was that after that one game Kobe got nothing but compliments from the Kobe haters for not forcing shots up and playing a beautiful game.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

32 5 7 1.4 1.4 for the series = nothing spectacular? :rolleyes:

Only player to average 30/5/5 through the playoffs and win a ring other than Jordan..

meh..

It goes beyond the numbers. He didn't shoot particularly well and turned the ball over significantly. In the clutch? Guy got consistently bailed out by Fisher.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It goes beyond the numbers. He didn't shoot particulary well and turned the ball over significantly. In the clutch? Guy got consistently bailed out by Fisher.

3 To's a game to 7 assist a game :confusedshrug:

And ok, D fish hit a clutch shot, he gets paid aswell. Steve Kerr bailed out Jordan a few times..

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

3 To's a game to 7 assist a game :confusedshrug:

And ok, D fish hit a clutch shot, he gets paid aswell. Steve Kerr bailed out Jordan a few times..

3 turnovers to 7 assists isnt anything to brag about, dude. :oldlol: In one game he had 7 TO's and 4 (w/ 5 fouls) in another.

But, Fisher didn't just "hit a clutch shot". He hit more clutch shots than Kobe. Go back and watch Games 3 and 4 again. LOL...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200906090ORL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200906110ORL.html

[TheMarkMadsen]

3 turnovers to 7 assists isnt anything to brag about, dude. :oldlol: In one game he had 7 TO's and 4 (w/ 5 fouls) in another.

Fisher didn't just "hit a clutch shot". He hit more than Kobe. Go back and watch Games 3 and 4 again. LOL...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200906090ORL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200906110ORL.html


You act like 3 to's per game for the primary ball handler is such a bad thing when he's leading his team to W's and putting up over 30 ppg? I mean the dude was putting up 32 5 & 7, are you really going to focus on the 3 to's per game?

Jordan averaged 4 to's in the 92 finals, i guess he had a bad series?

You're grasping at straws, dude won FMVP, beat the best D in the league in 5 games, put up 32 5 & 7 with 1.4 steals & 1.4 blocks had ONE bad shooting game which skews his FG%. Overall played an amazing series and upped his regualar season stats on the games biggest stage.

Yet since he had 3 to's per game and a few teamates played well ( God forbid Kobe doesn't win going 1 v 5) you want to discredit what he did and act like it wasn't a good performance

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You act like 3 to's per game for the primary ball handler is a bad thing? I mean the dude was putting up 32 5 & 7, are you really going to focus on the 3 to's per game?

Jordan averaged 2.8 to's in the 93 finals, i guess he had a bad series?

I never said Kobe had a bad series. It was probably his best Finals. I'm just of the opinion that it really wasn't memorable..much less "greater" than MJ's best.

[Heavincent]

It was obviously a great series. Anybody that says otherwise is probably retarded.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I never said Kobe had a bad series. It was probably his best Finals. I'm just of the opinion that it really wasn't memorable..much less "greater" than MJ's best.


NOBODY is seriously saying it's better than Mj's best finals..

but to come in here & say "meh it was an average finals performance, nothing spectacular" is just disrespectful.

Nobody is comparing this to Mj's "best finals" and being serious about it.

MJ was the GOAT of finals, that is obvious. but no need to discredit other great players & their great finals performances just to protect your favorite players place in histroy.

MJ's GOAT status isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LOL at "playing 1v5" and glossing over efficiency. Hilarious. Kobe fans are rabidly insecure.


NOBODY is seriously saying it's better than Mj's best finals..

The OP did. Please read carefully.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LOL at "playing 1v5" and glossing over efficiency. Hilarious. Kobe fans are rabidly insecure.



The OP did. Please read carefully.

The OP's statements are not something that should be taken seriously, maybe you should read more carefully?

and insecure? you're the guy who came into a Kobe thread just to remind us that he isn't better than Jordan..

Insecurity at it's finest

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The OP's statements are not something that should be taken seriously, maybe you should read more carefully?

I'm not a mind reader. Not sure how you interpret what he said any different.

And no, you're the one that brought up Jordan. I simply said Kobe's series wasn't anything "spectacular".

[Whoah10115]

You all know OP is probably a Kobe hater who has put on one of the great performances of all-time. This thread is full of shit lol.



Mr. Mephistopheles:bowdown:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm not a mind reader. Not sure how you interpret what he said any different.

And no, you're the one that brought up Jordan. I simply said Kobe's series wasn't anything "spectacular".


which you just said earlier was in response to the OP saying that it was "as good/better" than Mj's best finals.

So yeah you had to make sure to remind us that it wasn't..

And don't act like you don't know OP is always trying to get people worked up over Kobe by making outrageous claims.

You know he throws more bait than Moby Dick

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

which you just said earlier was in response to the OP saying that it was "as good/better" than Mj's best finals.

So yeah you had to make sure to remind us that it wasn't..

And don't act like you don't know OP is always trying to get people worked up over Kobe by making outrageous claims.

What are you talking about? :oldlol:

Again, YOU brought Jordan up. My original post had nothing to do w/ him.

[Doctor Rivers]

The OP did. Please read carefully.

Beyond obvious that the OP is a troll.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I brought up Jordan to compare how he had role players step up & hit big shots, just like Kobe did in 09, you were acting as if Fisher's big shot overshadowed Kobe's performance in the finals.

I also brought up Jordan to compare his to's to Kobe's turnovers to show that the primary ball handler can still have a great series while accumulating more TO's than normal.

I never said anything about Kobe's 09 finals being "greater" than Mj's best finals.




I never said Kobe had a bad series. It was probably his best Finals. I'm just of the opinion that it really wasn't memorable..much less "greater" than MJ's best.

You mention how Kobe's 09 performance was much less greater than Mj's best.

You quote the word "greater" implying that somebody earlier in the thread had insinuated that Kobe's 09 finals was better than Mj's best.

So yeah, you came in here, saw somebody saying it was "greater" than Mj's best final performance and felt the need to remind us that it's not..

[KOBE143]

People talking about bailed out here huh.. Let see..

1991 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan.. Hitting too many clutch shot in the 4th quarter that won them their first chip..
1992 finals - Pippen and the bench bailed out Jordan for 2peat
1993 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan again for hitting the game winning shot that won them their first 3peat..
1996 finals - Rodman bailed out Jordan.. Grabbed tons of boards for every Jordan miss shot to gave them many 2nd chance point.. Rodman the real FMVP got robbed by MJ..
1997 - Steve Kerr bailed out Jordan.. Reminiscence of 1993 John Paxson..
1998 - Maybe the only finals that Jordan didnt get bailed out..

Out of 6 finals appearance.. Jordan got bailed out 5 times..

[Force]

People talking about bailed out here huh.. Let see..

1991 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan.. Hitting too many clutch shot in the 4th quarter that won them their first chip..
1992 finals - Pippen and the bench bailed out Jordan for 2peat
1993 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan again for hitting the game winning shot that won them their first 3peat..
1996 finals - Rodman bailed out Jordan.. Grabbed tons of boards for every Jordan miss shot to gave them many 2nd chance point.. Rodman the real FMVP got robbed by MJ..
1997 - Steve Kerr bailed out Jordan.. Reminiscence of 1993 John Paxson..
1998 - Maybe the only finals that Jordan didnt get bailed out..

Out of 6 finals appearance.. Jordan got bailed out 5 times..

stop lying you fool. Micheal Jordan bailed out the entire sport of basketball. THE END

[tmacattack33]

People talking about bailed out here huh.. Let see..

1991 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan.. Hitting too many clutch shot in the 4th quarter that won them their first chip..
1992 finals - Pippen and the bench bailed out Jordan for 2peat
1993 finals - Paxson bailed out Jordan again for hitting the game winning shot that won them their first 3peat..
1996 finals - Rodman bailed out Jordan.. Grabbed tons of boards for every Jordan miss shot to gave them many 2nd chance point.. Rodman the real FMVP got robbed by MJ..
1997 - Steve Kerr bailed out Jordan.. Reminiscence of 1993 John Paxson..
1998 - Maybe the only finals that Jordan didnt get bailed out..

Out of 6 finals appearance.. Jordan got bailed out 5 times..


No. Nobody said anything about getting bailed out as far as I see, except for a Kobe fan who claimed that if Kobe passed the ball instead of shooting against 4 people (and getting blocked by Turkoglu) on his game winner attempt, we would say that he got bailed out.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I brought up Jordan to compare how he had role players step up & hit big shots, just like Kobe did in 09, you were acting as if Fisher's big shot overshadowed Kobe's performance in the finals.

I didn't act like anything. All I did was point out Kobe's average series sans game 1 (which..inflated his ppg total), and that he got bailed out in crunchtime. Both of which are true.


I never said anything about Kobe's 09 finals being "greater" than Mj's best finals.

You mention how Kobe's 09 performance was much less greater than Mj's best.
You quote the word "greater" implying that somebody earlier in the thread had insinuated that Kobe's 09 finals was better than Mj's best.

So yeah, you came in here, saw somebody saying it was "greater" than Mj's best final performance and felt the need to remind us that it's not..

Right. I was addressing the OP...AFTER you brought Jordan into this discussion. Not sure how any of this is relevant. :oldlol: I'll reiterate: Kobe had a good Finals; nothing legendary.

[kNicKz]

32.4 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 1.5 SPG, 44% FG, 84% FT, 37% 3PT FG



His Finals wasn't that impressive


:coleman:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KOBE143]

No. Nobody said anything about getting bailed out as far as I see, except for a Kobe fan who claimed that if Kobe passed the ball instead of shooting against 4 people (and getting blocked by Turkoglu) on his game winner attempt, we would say that he got bailed out.
:facepalm in the first page you can already see someone post about Kobe getting bailed out by fisher.. Among the top 5, Jordan was the most bailed out player.. Considering he get bailed out 5 times in the finals alone.. I have facts to back it up for those people who will disagree..

[AlphaWolf24]

I didn't act like anything. All I did was point out Kobe's average series sans game 1 (which..inflated his ppg total), and that he got bailed out in crunchtime. Both of which are true.



Right. I was addressing the OP...AFTER you brought Jordan into this discussion. Not sure how any of this is relevant. :oldlol: I'll reiterate: Kobe had a good Finals; nothing legendary.


This idiot..:lol


Kobe's 09' Finals was better then any of Birds , Duncans or Lebrons Finals...

the shot over DH was absolutley legendary....






haters still Mad

[alleykat]

I remember watching MJ in 1992 and thought that he could never surpass this. If your going by stats it was 35.8 on almost 53% shooting, and 3pt was almost 43% with 5 less minutes played....

I don't think Kobe has beaten that record....but no doubt 2009 was amazing

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

the shot over DH was absolutley legendary....


5 years from now, nobody will even remember it. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

5 years from now, nobody will even remember it. :oldlol:


name a shot Larry Bird made in the 84' Finals....or any of Duncan's shots in the Finals...what about any of Shaq's shots in the Finals......

Kobe's hanging floater over Dwight was EPYC and will only get better as his career comes to a close.




stay Mad son.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe's hanging floater over Dwight was EPYC and will only get better as his career comes to a close.

It doesn't even get talked about now....ROFL

[alleykat]

name a shot Larry Bird made in the 84' Finals....or any of Duncan's shots in the Finals...what about any of Shaq's shots in the Finals......

Kobe's hanging floater over Dwight was EPYC and will only get better as his career comes to a close.




stay Mad son.

Which shot? Not hating just wondering which one like a clip or something...

[Big#50]

This idiot..:lol


Kobe's 09' Finals was better then any of Birds , Duncans or Lebrons Finals...

the shot over DH was absolutley legendary....






haters still Mad
This dude is still at it? You have taken the art of trolling to heights never seen before. LoL I love this guy. Just trolling ISH like it ain't shit.

[necya]

name a shot Larry Bird made in the 84' Finals....or any of Duncan's shots in the Finals...what about any of Shaq's shots in the Finals......

Kobe's hanging floater over Dwight was EPYC and will only get better as his career comes to a close.




stay Mad son.

i guess his game winner over Magic in game 4 doesn't count (29pts 21rbd)

[tmacattack33]

i guess his game winner over Magic in game 4 doesn't count (29pts 21rbd)

No. We aren't talking about game winners here.

What did he do with 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd quarter?

I'll wait...

[Poetry]

32.4 PPG, 7.4 APG, 5.6 RPG, 1.5 BPG, 1.5 SPG, 44% FG, 84% FT, 37% 3PT FG





:coleman:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The highlighted numbers are all inaccurate.

OP tried to juice the stats.
http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2008/nba_finals_stats.html

Should read 43% FG, 1.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 36 % 3pt FG.

And i know OP knows how to round numbers, since he successfully rounded .841 to 84%. Not sure why he started incrementally boosting Kobe's stats. The FG % is wonky, but overall good numbers. No need to boost them.

[TheBigVeto]

Nowhere in top 50.