Mates, how do you suppose Kobe and Carmelo differ as talents?

[JaggerCommaMick]

I'm curious to know, mates, how you suppose Kobe is top-10 all time and Carmelo is not even top-10 active.

Frequently I hear the term 'best pure scorer' applied to each, and in fact they are often compared to each other proper.

But what tickles me is the assumption that Bean is so much better, rather than simply fortunate to play for the best organization in the whole of the world!

They are both about the same as pull-up shooters (which is their relative strength) and the same as spot-up shooters (which is not). Both are skilled in the post. Neither is known to be a distributor or play-maker. They are both quite honestly the same defensively (Bean being the most overrated defender of his generation, strictly from the undeserved bum-kissing he gets from the fans and media. The bloke bloody well said he doesn't even take charges, some 'will to win' that implies, yeah?) Both players make fans go :facepalm many times each year. Both have demanded trades from their teams.

Anyway, mates, could Carmelo Anthony not win titles with prime Shaq? Tell me if you think so. Tell me if you think Anthony could not have won titles playing with Ariza/Artest, Odom, Bynum, Gasol who were all in their primes/motivated. Carmelo and Kobe do the exact same things, chaps. The exact same things.

How is Kobe an all-time great talent/player and Carmelo not close to him? They're the same guy, mates.

How are they different besides merely the success they've been a part of as a result of circumstantial differences (the teams they play for)?

[StateOfMind12]

Kobe is one of the best and most well-rounded players in NBA history whereas Carmelo is not and never was.

I don't know why Kobe's all-around game gets so underrated. Kobe's only weakness is shot-selection whereas I can list plenty of weaknesses for Melo that go beyond shot-selection.

[9erempiree]

Kobe is one of the best and most well-rounded players in NBA history whereas Carmelo is not and never was.

I don't know why Kobe's all-around game gets so underrated. Kobe's only weakness is shot-selection whereas I can list plenty of weaknesses for Melo that go beyond shot-selection.

this.

[chazzy]

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[TMacMagic]

If I see the word mate on this website one more time I might lose it.

:crazysam:

[blacknapalm]

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[Deuce Bigalow]

Melo is slightly better. He shoots a higher FG% and also Melo never got the chance to ride Shaq's coattails.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Kobe is one of the best and most well-rounded players in NBA history whereas Carmelo is not and never was.

I don't know why Kobe's all-around game gets so underrated. Kobe's only weakness is shot-selection whereas I can list plenty of weaknesses for Melo that go beyond shot-selection.


Kobe is one of the most well rounded players, mate? Aside from scoring (where Carmelo is equally well rounded) how do you believe Kobe is so well rounded?

He's not a good distributor (constantly turns the ball over when he tries to go into pass mode)
He's not a good defender (eaten alive by Pierce, oh and Rip Hamilton dropped 21.4 per game on him in the finals for the Pistons, leading them in scoring. Also refuses to take charges, takes many plays off).
Inefficient offensively (He shoots less, team wins more - some might call that better off without him)
So-so Rebounder (For a bloody 6'6 guard he's certainly nothin special)


So what does he really do that Carmelo don't do, mate? Besides play for the best organization in sports who consistently accumulate the most overall team talent?

[Clippersfan86]

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:roll: :roll: :bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is one of the most well rounded players, mate? Aside from scoring (where Carmelo is equally well rounded) how do you believe Kobe is so well rounded?

He's not a good distributor (constantly turns the ball over when he tries to go into pass mode)
He's not a good defender (eaten alive by Pierce, oh and Rip Hamilton dropped 21.4 per game on him in the finals for the Pistons, leading them in scoring. Also refuses to take charges, takes many plays off).
Inefficient offensively (He shoots less, team wins more - some might call that better off without him)
So-so Rebounder (For a bloody 6'6 guard he's certainly nothin special)


So what does he really do that Carmelo don't do, mate? Besides play for the best organization in sports who consistently accumulate the most overall team talent?
He doesn't do anything better than Melo. In fact, Melo does everything better, including scoring because his FG% is higher. Put Melo on the Lakers and he wins atleast 5 rings in 9 seasons.

[StateOfMind12]

Kobe is one of the most well rounded players, mate? Aside from scoring (where Carmelo is equally well rounded) how do you believe Kobe is so well rounded?

He's not a good distributor (constantly turns the ball over when he tries to go into pass mode)
He's not a good defender (eaten alive by Pierce, oh and Rip Hamilton dropped 21.4 per game on him in the finals for the Pistons, leading them in scoring. Also refuses to take charges, takes many plays off).
Inefficient offensively (He shoots less, team wins more - some might call that better off without him)
So-so Rebounder (For a bloody 6'6 guard he's certainly nothin special)


So what does he really do that Carmelo don't do, mate?
Are you talking about Kobe now or what Kobe was during his prime? Cause if you are talking about Kobe in his prime like I am, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kobe in his prime averaged about 5-6 apg, and he could have averaged even more if he was more of a pass-first player. Kobe has always been about as skilled of a passer as Lebron was. The difference between the two was that Lebron was more willing of a passer.

So you cherry pick two series that conclude he wasn't a good defender? Are you even sure he was guarding either player? Kobe always guards Rondo and I haven't watched the 2004 Finals since the 2004 Finals so I don't remember if he was guarding Prince or Hamilton. Kobe has always been a great defender especially in the Shaq days. Years after though, Kobe showed that he still has great ability defensively but he just wasn't as consistent defensively. He was pretty consistent defensively in '06 and '08 from what I could recall and was alright in '09 as well.

Inefficient offensively? No, he is not inefficient at all especially if you look at his TS% which has always been in the 55-57% range which is very good. His FG% isn't really inefficient either, it is actually among the leauge average. It looks inefficient compared to Lebron and Jordan but it technically isn't inefficient.

So-so rebounder? No, Kobe has always been a great and capable rebounder. He always ups his rebounds in elimination games as well and I believe he averaged about 8 rpg in the '03 season when Shaq was out for those games.

Averaging about 6-7 rpg for a 6'6-6'7 SG is pretty good too.

[RazorBaLade]

i want jagger to leave this forum =/

[Rubio2Gasol]

Kobe is one of the most well rounded players, mate? Aside from scoring (where Carmelo is equally well rounded) how do you believe Kobe is so well rounded?

He's not a good distributor (constantly turns the ball over when he tries to go into pass mode)
He's not a good defender (eaten alive by Pierce, oh and Rip Hamilton dropped 21.4 per game on him in the finals for the Pistons, leading them in scoring. Also refuses to take charges, takes many plays off).
Inefficient offensively (He shoots less, team wins more - some might call that better off without him)
So-so Rebounder (For a bloody 6'6 guard he's certainly nothin special)


So what does he really do that Carmelo don't do, mate? Besides play for the best organization in sports who consistently accumulate the most overall team talent?

What in the world am I reading.

Anyway they have a similar talent level offensively, Kobe has more diversity and was a considerbaly more potent at collapsing defenses and in Iso's in his prime.

Defensively...lets not go there early Kobe eats him alive....same goes for distribution and ball movement.Triangle is based on quick reads and ball movement, Kobe Iso'd a lot but usually later in plays after significant ball movement.

He's had some amazing rebounding games when it matters most to be fair.

[TMacMagic]

i want jagger to leave this forum =/

Repped.

[Dictator]

WTF Melo has a higher FG%??????


I swear Melo's career avg is like 40-44, and this year he had 43%.

Kobe is a better passer, better leader, better IQ, more efficient, more diverse scorer, better explosive scorer, better defender, and IMO Kobe is atleast equal or a better rebounder than Melo. Melo is taller and plays a higher position though. Kobe has 5 rings, 1 mvp. Just about better at everything.

Also Carmelo had a better team than 8-10 Kobe.

Stat, Lin, J.R., Tyson, A.I.,Kenyon, Jared, baron,

[JaggerCommaMick]

Kobe has always been about as skilled of a passer as Lebron was.


Stopped reading here, mate. That's a troll comment.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Triangle is based on quick reads and ball movement, Kobe Iso'd a lot but usually later in plays after significant ball movement.




Wait was this before or after Phil Jackson called him uncoachable?

[Dictator]

2012 Old man kobe vs Melo

28 5 5 43% 4tov vs 23 6 4 43% 3tov

[Deuce Bigalow]

WTF Melo has a higher FG%??????


I swear Melo's career avg is like 40-44, and this year he had 43%.

Kobe is a better passer, better leader, better IQ, more efficient, more diverse scorer, better explosive scorer, better defender, and IMO Kobe is atleast equal or a better rebounder than Melo. Melo is taller and plays a higher position though.
Melo's FG% is higher for his career. Better scorer.

Kobe has had better teams which carries him to titles, kobe chucks more bricks, ballhogs more and freezes out him teammates, overrated defender making undeserved all-defensive teams. His IQ is horrible, taking fadeaway 3 pointers instead of spoon feeding your bigs :facepalm
Give Melo the best help anybody has ever had and he'll pile up rings quicker than Kobe can rape.

It isn't really close. Melo is clearly the better player. Anybody who isn't a Kobetard will agree.

[TMacMagic]

Stopped reading here, mate. That's a troll comment.

Stopped listening to you when you said Kobe and Carmelo are the same guy.

[Jacks3]

Kobe is a significantly better passer/play-maker and has proven over and over again that he can dominate on excellent passing teams. On championship teams.

Even last year the only non-PG to average more APG was LeBron.

Oh yeah.

5 rings bitch.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Melo's FG% is higher for his career. Better scorer.

Kobe has had better teams which carries him to titles, kobe chucks more bricks, ballhogs more and freezes out him teammates, overrated defender making undeserved all-defensive teams. His IQ is horrible, taking fadeaway 3 pointers instead of spoon feeding your bigs :facepalm
Give Melo the best help anybody has ever had and he'll pile up rings quicker than Kobe can rape.

It isn't really close. Melo is clearly the better player. Anybody who isn't a Kobetard will agree.


Quite rightly considering Melo's stronger rebounding and tenacity in the post/paint I think I would give him the edge.

If he played 10 years with either prime Shaq or a loaded roster (starters and bench) I'm quite sure the Lakers would win a handful of titles with him. Only the Kobetards do wish to separate him from other players using team achievement. Otherwise there wouldn't be any way to separate him.

[9erempiree]

Career Points:

Kobe #5
Melo #95

Career Assists:

Kobe #41
Melo #Not ranked

Career Rebounds:

Kobe #140
Melo # Not ranked


There really isn't a comparison between these two except that they are both men and same race. That's about it.

[JaggerCommaMick]

Oh yeah.

5 rings bitch.


See what I mean?


Bailed out by Fisher 5 times. Well, Horry a few as well.

And Artest.

And Ariza. And Gasol.




Clutch!

[Dictator]

See what I mean?


Bailed out by Fisher 5 times. Well, Horry a few as well.

And Artest.

And Ariza. And Gasol.




Clutch!


Melo bailed out by Lin? :kobe:

[TMacMagic]

See what I mean?


Bailed out by Fisher 5 times. Well, Horry a few as well.

And Artest.

And Ariza. And Gasol.




Clutch!

You act as if Basketball isn't a team sport and Kobe was ballin all by himself. Bailed out Kobe? The players you mentioned bailed out the team.

[Dictator]

Melo's FG% is higher for his career. Better scorer.

Kobe has had better teams which carries him to titles, kobe chucks more bricks, ballhogs more and freezes out him teammates, overrated defender making undeserved all-defensive teams. His IQ is horrible, taking fadeaway 3 pointers instead of spoon feeding your bigs :facepalm
Give Melo the best help anybody has ever had and he'll pile up rings quicker than Kobe can rape.

It isn't really close. Melo is clearly the better player. Anybody who isn't a Kobetard will agree.


:facepalm :facepalm

[JaggerCommaMick]

You act as if Basketball isn't a team sport and Kobe was ballin all by himself. Bailed out Kobe? The players you mentioned bailed out the team.


Actually mate I'm not exaggerating, most of the big shots those guys made in big games came immediately after Kobe bricked a contested, ill-advised hero shot with the game in the balance.

But I guess that rather high IQ and knack for ball movement is why Phil called him 'uncoachable'

[Rooster]

Actually mate I'm not exaggerating, most of the big shots those guys made in big games came immediately after Kobe bricked a contested, ill-advised hero shot with the game in the balance.

But I guess that rather high IQ and knack for ball movement is why Phil called him 'uncoachable'

Phil was selling a book. If he thought Kobe was uncoachable he would have not returned to coach the Lakers. If you actually followed the Lakers, Kobe practically killed the Spurs, Lakers biggest rival. And don't even try to look Shaq numbers against because he did not look superman against those Twin Towers.

[Noof]

Ignored
One Starred
Future Negged
Reported
Deported

[Deuce Bigalow]

:facepalm :facepalm
This is completely true, I read it in an artbook (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01GWCMGEsUw&feature=player_detailpage#t=10s)

[TheBigVeto]

I'm curious to know, mates, how you suppose Kobe is top-10 all time and Carmelo is not even top-10 active.

Frequently I hear the term 'best pure scorer' applied to each, and in fact they are often compared to each other proper.

But what tickles me is the assumption that Bean is so much better, rather than simply fortunate to play for the best organization in the whole of the world!

They are both about the same as pull-up shooters (which is their relative strength) and the same as spot-up shooters (which is not). Both are skilled in the post. Neither is known to be a distributor or play-maker. They are both quite honestly the same defensively (Bean being the most overrated defender of his generation, strictly from the undeserved bum-kissing he gets from the fans and media. The bloke bloody well said he doesn't even take charges, some 'will to win' that implies, yeah?) Both players make fans go :facepalm many times each year. Both have demanded trades from their teams.

Anyway, mates, could Carmelo Anthony not win titles with prime Shaq? Tell me if you think so. Tell me if you think Anthony could not have won titles playing with Ariza/Artest, Odom, Bynum, Gasol who were all in their primes/motivated. Carmelo and Kobe do the exact same things, chaps. The exact same things.

How is Kobe an all-time great talent/player and Carmelo not close to him? They're the same guy, mates.

How are they different besides merely the success they've been a part of as a result of circumstantial differences (the teams they play for)?

Dude, Kobe is not top 10 of all time.
Neither is Carmelo.
They both like to chuck. But Melo is better at converting the shots.
Kobe is lucky he plays for a franchise that is heavily supported by the commish.
Melo never had the luxury of playing with solid big men (no Amare is not on Shaq's or Gasol's level).
Melo is >>>> Kobe all time.

[Smoke117]

Kobe is one of the best and most well-rounded players in NBA history whereas Carmelo is not and never was.

I don't know why Kobe's all-around game gets so underrated. Kobe's only weakness is shot-selection whereas I can list plenty of weaknesses for Melo that go beyond shot-selection.

I'd say this is close enough to the truth to agree with. Though Kobe is and has always been massively overrated defensively. It's not necessarily a weakness, but it's not close to being a strength kobe fan boys think it is. He can have all those all defensive selections, but he's not even a top 10 defensive guard all time.

[Rooster]

I'd say this is close enough to the truth to agree with. Though Kobe is and has always been massively overrated defensively. It's not necessarily a weakness, but it's not close to being a strength kobe fan boys think it is. He can have all those all defensive selections, but he's not even a top 10 defensive guard all time.


Who votes for defensive team.:coleman:

[swag2011]

Are you talking about Kobe now or what Kobe was during his prime? Cause if you are talking about Kobe in his prime like I am, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kobe in his prime averaged about 5-6 apg, and he could have averaged even more if he was more of a pass-first player. Kobe has always been about as skilled of a passer as Lebron was. The difference between the two was that Lebron was more willing of a passer.

So you cherry pick two series that conclude he wasn't a good defender? Are you even sure he was guarding either player? Kobe always guards Rondo and I haven't watched the 2004 Finals since the 2004 Finals so I don't remember if he was guarding Prince or Hamilton. Kobe has always been a great defender especially in the Shaq days. Years after though, Kobe showed that he still has great ability defensively but he just wasn't as consistent defensively. He was pretty consistent defensively in '06 and '08 from what I could recall and was alright in '09 as well.

Inefficient offensively? No, he is not inefficient at all especially if you look at his TS% which has always been in the 55-57% range which is very good. His FG% isn't really inefficient either, it is actually among the leauge average. It looks inefficient compared to Lebron and Jordan but it technically isn't inefficient.

So-so rebounder? No, Kobe has always been a great and capable rebounder. He always ups his rebounds in elimination games as well and I believe he averaged about 8 rpg in the '03 season when Shaq was out for those games.

Averaging about 6-7 rpg for a 6'6-6'7 SG is pretty good too.

wow. :applause: I have to say, i had to keep looking back at the username to see if this was you. i thought you were one of those complete kobe haters on here who refused to acknowledge anything positive about his game. yet, u proved me wrong and was actually fair and not bias in your response. :bowdown: to you i guess.

[NumberSix]

Melo is taller

[eriX]

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[comerb]

I'm curious to know, mates, how you suppose Kobe is top-10 all time and Carmelo is not even top-10 active.

Frequently I hear the term 'best pure scorer' applied to each, and in fact they are often compared to each other proper.

But what tickles me is the assumption that Bean is so much better, rather than simply fortunate to play for the best organization in the whole of the world!

They are both about the same as pull-up shooters (which is their relative strength) and the same as spot-up shooters (which is not). Both are skilled in the post. Neither is known to be a distributor or play-maker. They are both quite honestly the same defensively (Bean being the most overrated defender of his generation, strictly from the undeserved bum-kissing he gets from the fans and media. The bloke bloody well said he doesn't even take charges, some 'will to win' that implies, yeah?) Both players make fans go :facepalm many times each year. Both have demanded trades from their teams.

Anyway, mates, could Carmelo Anthony not win titles with prime Shaq? Tell me if you think so. Tell me if you think Anthony could not have won titles playing with Ariza/Artest, Odom, Bynum, Gasol who were all in their primes/motivated. Carmelo and Kobe do the exact same things, chaps. The exact same things.

How is Kobe an all-time great talent/player and Carmelo not close to him? They're the same guy, mates.

How are they different besides merely the success they've been a part of as a result of circumstantial differences (the teams they play for)?

First off, I don't think Kobe is a top 10 talent. I think he is a great talent that's been on great teams and that's what's carried him to the top 10 (and you could say the same thing about a couple other guys on that list too, some of which couldn't play defense to save their life).

Having said that, Kobe plays better defense and has another gear that I've yet to see Melo shift into. He takes the game more seriously, and he demands more from his teammates and presents a better culture for winning.

Anyway, yes I do think Melo would cruise to rings w/ Prime Shaq (the same way any borderline superstar would have). Do I think he would have had the grit to win 2 more with Pau? Probably not.

[riseagainst]

too many sock puppets these days. Everyone of OP's posts were about sh*tting on Kobe. Obvious agenda thread.

[bluechox2]

kobe's better but he couldnt do it on his own like some of you suggest, he also needed help getting his 5 rings but he has a killer extinct which he had since his early days that few players have today, which lebron discovered this year.

melo shows on and off killer extinct but is never consistent with it. hopefully this year is the year for melo to rise, get out of his baby shoes and step up.

[Dragonyeuw]

I'd say this is close enough to the truth to agree with. Though Kobe is and has always been massively overrated defensively. It's not necessarily a weakness, but it's not close to being a strength kobe fan boys think it is. He can have all those all defensive selections, but he's not even a top 10 defensive guard all time.

Kobe's best defensive years were during the 2000-02 3peat. At that time he was a bonfide first team all-defensive player, but in recent years he's been getting by on reputation. He's still capable of great defense, but he does it in spurts or when he's extra motivated( matched up against another elite perimeter player). Over the course of 82 games, he's certainly not a first team all-defense guard but in fairness, the guys who are better than him are really specialists and don't have to balance their energy on both ends of the court.

[coin24]

Comparing Melo to Kobe?:lol
Good one, obvious agenda.

Enough of the mick jagger shit its lame as fu*k also.:facepalm

[riseagainst]

kobe's better but he couldnt do it on his own like some of you suggest, he also needed help getting his 5 rings but he has a killer extinct which he had since his early days that few players have today, which lebron discovered this year.

melo shows on and off killer extinct but is never consistent with it. hopefully this year is the year for melo to rise, get out of his baby shoes and step up.

Pretty sure NO ONE could do it on his own, so that statement's overly redundant.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Who votes for defensive team.:coleman:

I don't know if these young kids ever watched the 3 peat runs, but he was literally the best perimeter defender in the game during those years.Better defender than anyone I see in the league at the moment to be honest.

[dynasty1978]

Kobe is one of the most well rounded players, mate? Aside from scoring (where Carmelo is equally well rounded) how do you believe Kobe is so well rounded?

He's not a good distributor (constantly turns the ball over when he tries to go into pass mode)
He's not a good defender (eaten alive by Pierce, oh and Rip Hamilton dropped 21.4 per game on him in the finals for the Pistons, leading them in scoring. Also refuses to take charges, takes many plays off).
Inefficient offensively (He shoots less, team wins more - some might call that better off without him)
So-so Rebounder (For a bloody 6'6 guard he's certainly nothin special)


So what does he really do that Carmelo don't do, mate? Besides play for the best organization in sports who consistently accumulate the most overall team talent?

Based on the above, you started watching basketball in 2012.

[Smoke117]

Kobe's best defensive years were during the 2000-02 3peat. At that time he was a bonfide first team all-defensive player, but in recent years he's been getting by on reputation. He's still capable of great defense, but he does it in spurts or when he's extra motivated( matched up against another elite perimeter player). Over the course of 82 games, he's certainly not a first team all-defense guard but in fairness, the guys who are better than him are really specialists and don't have to balance their energy on both ends of the court.

Dwyane Wade has been a better overall defensive player for a few years now, yet still Kobe was making all defensive 1st team. I don't recall Dwade being a defensive specialist.

[riseagainst]

Are you talking about Kobe now or what Kobe was during his prime? Cause if you are talking about Kobe in his prime like I am, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kobe in his prime averaged about 5-6 apg, and he could have averaged even more if he was more of a pass-first player. Kobe has always been about as skilled of a passer as Lebron was. The difference between the two was that Lebron was more willing of a passer.

So you cherry pick two series that conclude he wasn't a good defender? Are you even sure he was guarding either player? Kobe always guards Rondo and I haven't watched the 2004 Finals since the 2004 Finals so I don't remember if he was guarding Prince or Hamilton. Kobe has always been a great defender especially in the Shaq days. Years after though, Kobe showed that he still has great ability defensively but he just wasn't as consistent defensively. He was pretty consistent defensively in '06 and '08 from what I could recall and was alright in '09 as well.

Inefficient offensively? No, he is not inefficient at all especially if you look at his TS% which has always been in the 55-57% range which is very good. His FG% isn't really inefficient either, it is actually among the leauge average. It looks inefficient compared to Lebron and Jordan but it technically isn't inefficient.

So-so rebounder? No, Kobe has always been a great and capable rebounder. He always ups his rebounds in elimination games as well and I believe he averaged about 8 rpg in the '03 season when Shaq was out for those games.

Averaging about 6-7 rpg for a 6'6-6'7 SG is pretty good too.

:bowdown:
great post.

[riseagainst]

Stopped reading here, mate. That's a troll comment.

really shows your close-mindedness. You obviously haven't watched prime Kobe being a distributor prior to him being 1st option.

[riseagainst]

See what I mean?


Bailed out by Fisher 5 times. Well, Horry a few as well.

And Artest.

And Ariza. And Gasol.




Clutch!

yeah Shaq got bailed out by Fisher and Horry. Shaq's so overrated. he isn't even top 20 all time. He rode Fisher and Horry's coketails for his 3peat. :lol

[Dragonyeuw]

Dwyane Wade has been a better overall defensive player for a few years now, yet still Kobe was making all defensive 1st team. I don't recall Dwade being a defensive specialist.

I was thinking more in terms of someone like Tony Allen. Though yes, the last 2-3 seasons I would certainly give the nod to Wade over Kobe if I was picking between the two.

[riseagainst]

Dude, Kobe is not top 10 of all time.
Neither is Carmelo.
They both like to chuck. But Melo is better at converting the shots.
Kobe is lucky he plays for a franchise that is heavily supported by the commish.
Melo never had the luxury of playing with solid big men (no Amare is not on Shaq's or Gasol's level).
Melo is >>>> Kobe all time.

stopped reading at "TheBigVeto".

[JaggerCommaMick]

yeah Shaq got bailed out by Fisher and Horry. Shaq's so overrated. he isn't even top 20 all time. He rode Fisher and Horry's coketails for his 3peat. :lol


Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

[Vertical-24]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

You clearly have your mind set on what you believe so why make threads like these? You're not a productive poster at all. All you do is bash Kobe and when people actually give you any kind of insight, you brush it off completely and use your post to instead.....take a guess??? :rolleyes: Yupp...bash Kobe. Why are you even on this forum?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

G.O.A.T. worst poster :applause:

[coin24]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

Goat f@ggot:applause:

Lame jagger joke is done aswell, was never funny...

[ThatCoolKid]

Okay, I understand why you seem so dull-witted in the same sex marriage thread. It's okay, psychosis is a serious impediment, I can't hold you to the same standards I hold other people. Hope you come back to reality soon.

[schism206]

I'm sorry but Kobe is light years beyond Melo, and I'm most definitely not a Kobe fan. First off, Kobe plays his ass off, and is a fierce competitor. I don't see that out of Melo... he has spurts of playing good D and intensity, I actually think he's a pretty good defender when he wants to be, but how often does he want to be?

Everyone always says 'Melo is the best pure scorer in the game. Honestly I think he's kind of one dimensional. All I ever see him do is pull up for a jumper, or wildly take it to the rack, which actually leads to a lot of offensive fouls. Kobe is much more skilled offensively and can beat you in so many ways. His biggest problem is he plays hero ball way too much.

I'd take Kobe on my team any day, at the stage in their careers now there's certainly a case for Melo due to age, but in their primes, Kobe hands down, without question.

[RRR3]

Kobe plays defense, is a better scorer, much better passer/playmaker...
Shoot, rebounding is close enough but Melo gets the edge there. Besides rebounding, though, I can't think of anything Melo is better at than Kobe.

[riseagainst]

Difference is mate Shaq wasNt buildin brick houses at crucial spots of big games thruought his whole career like Brickbe has. Shaq 'made em when they matter' as we all know.

Honestly Kobes playoff contributions have rarely made any kind of difference. He just chucks. Its nothin special whatsoever, mate. You just think it looks cool and want him to be a bloody hero so youre tryin to make him some kinda legend his game doesnt deserve.

:roll:

I think it's safe to say that your thread has failed. :banana: :pimp:

[RazorBaLade]

Kobe plays defense, is a better scorer, much better passer/playmaker...
Shoot, rebounding is close enough but Melo gets the edge there. Besides rebounding, though, I can't think of anything Melo is better at than Kobe.

dont waste your rare non trolling posts on this ******s thread. save them for the good discussions

[b1imtf]

Mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate

[TMacMagic]

Mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate mate

BLOKE

[RazorBaLade]

come to think of it, dmavs used to say mate. wheres he been

[LakersNeedShaq]

Old man Kobe going on his 17th season is better than Melo. Prime Kobe eats that scrub alive.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I don't think this guy realizes real british people don't say mate this much.

[fpliii]

Old man Kobe going on his 17th season is better than Melo. Prime Kobe eats that scrub alive.

are you LakersNeedShaq from NBA General?

[LakersNeedShaq]

are you LakersNeedShaq from NBA General?
Ha you know it, dude. Thought I'd try this place out, but I'm not quitting ESPN yet, even though it has gone down the toilet lately.

[MetsPackers]

On the topic of Kobe being a distributor first, we have to remember, Kobe proved that being a facilitator only made him and the Lakers worse. His role is neccesary for that single team's success. I remember right after Shaq left between like 05-07 (i think) Kobe sort of shifted his focus to trying to do it all instead of being a score-first type of guy, and what happened? Lakers struggled to make the playoffs and I think even missed them one year. Kobe's numbers looked worse too and he was getting killed by ESPN an haters. However, the talent on those Lakers teams was pretty lacking. Kobe can't do IT ALL. But i you get him a good complementary guy like Pau, and he can focus on scoring and defense, the Lakers are a contender. He's not great in the role of a facilitator though.

That being said, Kobe >>> Melo

[PickernRoller]

Ha you know it, dude. Thought I'd try this place out, but I'm not quitting ESPN yet, even though it has gone down the toilet lately.

This one's already in the sewers midway to the dump...

[DatAsh]

Melo's FG% is higher for his career. Better scorer.

Kobe has had better teams which carries him to titles, kobe chucks more bricks, ballhogs more and freezes out him teammates, overrated defender making undeserved all-defensive teams. His IQ is horrible, taking fadeaway 3 pointers instead of spoon feeding your bigs :facepalm
Give Melo the best help anybody has ever had and he'll pile up rings quicker than Kobe can rape.

It isn't really close. Melo is clearly the better player. Anybody who isn't a Kobetard will agree.


You could replace all instances of the string "Kobe" with "Jordan" in that post, and all of its points, including the post as a whole, would be just as true.

[RazorBaLade]

On the topic of Kobe being a distributor first, we have to remember, Kobe proved that being a facilitator only made him and the Lakers worse. His role is neccesary for that single team's success. I remember right after Shaq left between like 05-07 (i think) Kobe sort of shifted his focus to trying to do it all instead of being a score-first type of guy, and what happened? Lakers struggled to make the playoffs and I think even missed them one year. Kobe's numbers looked worse too and he was getting killed by ESPN an haters. However, the talent on those Lakers teams was pretty lacking. Kobe can't do IT ALL. But i you get him a good complementary guy like Pau, and he can focus on scoring and defense, the Lakers are a contender. He's not great in the role of a facilitator though.

That being said, Kobe >>> Melo

What are you talking about? They had smush parker and kwame brown and luke walton starting. How can that team do well? those 3 years you mentioned, 2 of them were his best statistical seasons hes ever had. Hes 5 assists guaranteed, and can make other players better. Melo has neither. Playmaking is not evne a comparison

[riseagainst]

On the topic of Kobe being a distributor first, we have to remember, Kobe proved that being a facilitator only made him and the Lakers worse. His role is neccesary for that single team's success. I remember right after Shaq left between like 05-07 (i think) Kobe sort of shifted his focus to trying to do it all instead of being a score-first type of guy, and what happened? Lakers struggled to make the playoffs and I think even missed them one year. Kobe's numbers looked worse too and he was getting killed by ESPN an haters. However, the talent on those Lakers teams was pretty lacking. Kobe can't do IT ALL. But i you get him a good complementary guy like Pau, and he can focus on scoring and defense, the Lakers are a contender. He's not great in the role of a facilitator though.

That being said, Kobe >>> Melo

you also forgot that from 05-07 Kobe had scrubs who would score in their own baskets. :lol