So Kobe doesn't take charges? and MJ and Magic never did either?

[Godzuki]

Is that true? I would've sworn MJ did at least...

Article on Kobe Bryant discussing not taking charges, and why:

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=9981

[WeGetRing2012]

Plagiarism. BAN!!!!

[chazzy]

He rarely takes charges, sucks at it :lol

[AngelEyes]

Why would you want him taking charges?

[inclinerator]

mj does take charges

[iamgine]

Bird and Pippen took charges and had bad backs. Are taking charges and bad backs related at all?

But we really shouldn't look at them. We should look at the league's top charge takers and whether they have back problems more often than non charge takers.

Leading 2006-07 NBA Players in drawing Offensive Fouls


1 CLE Varejao 99
2 DAL Harris 77
3 MIL Bogut 74
4 PHO Bell 72
5 GSW Ellis 64
6 PHO Nash 62
7 IND O'Neal 57
8 CHI Nocioni 50
9 HOU Battier 50
10 Gs/Ind Dunleavy 49
11 MIA Posey 46
12 NJN Collins 45
13 UTA Fisher 45
14 CHI Wallace 44
15 Phi/Den Iverson 43
16 Den/Phi Joe.Smith 43
17 NOK Mason 42
18 CHI Hinrich 40
19 NJN Moore 37
20 LAL Parker 37
21 CHA Wallace 36
22 NJN Nachbar 35
23 DAL Howard 35
24 WAS Daniels 34
25 MIA Haslem 34
26 IND Harrington 34
27 TOR Parker 33
28 TOR Bosh 33
29 NJN Carter 32
30 SAS Oberto 31
31 SAS Ginobili 31
32 SAS Bowen 31
33 PHO Barbosa 31
34 SAC Martin 31
35 UTA Collins 31

Do these players have bad backs?

[andgar923]

is this real?

[I<3NBA]

omg Nash has a bad back! it's true! taking charges will mess up your back!


never mind that there are 34 other players that are not bothered by it.



btw, i look down on taking charges for the simple fact that if the player falls down and the refs don't call it, the opponent gets an open shot with the defender on the floor. forces your team mates to close out the open man and leave somebody open and just generally fk up your defense.

not to mention it can go the other way and you are called for blocking. seems like a bad strategy if your players really aren't good at taking charges.

[BallsOut]

Bird and Pippen took charges and had bad backs. Are taking charges and bad backs related at all?

But we really shouldn't look at them. We should look at the league's top charge takers and whether they have back problems more often than non charge takers.

Leading 2006-07 NBA Players in drawing Offensive Fouls


1 CLE Varejao 99
2 DAL Harris 77
3 MIL Bogut 74
4 PHO Bell 72
5 GSW Ellis 64
6 PHO Nash 62
7 IND O'Neal 57
8 CHI Nocioni 50
9 HOU Battier 50
10 Gs/Ind Dunleavy 49
11 MIA Posey 46
12 NJN Collins 45
13 UTA Fisher 45
14 CHI Wallace 44
15 Phi/Den Iverson 43
16 Den/Phi Joe.Smith 43
17 NOK Mason 42
18 CHI Hinrich 40
19 NJN Moore 37
20 LAL Parker 37
21 CHA Wallace 36
22 NJN Nachbar 35
23 DAL Howard 35
24 WAS Daniels 34
25 MIA Haslem 34
26 IND Harrington 34
27 TOR Parker 33
28 TOR Bosh 33
29 NJN Carter 32
30 SAS Oberto 31
31 SAS Ginobili 31
32 SAS Bowen 31
33 PHO Barbosa 31
34 SAC Martin 31
35 UTA Collins 31

Do these players have bad backs?

Bolded are players who have experienced back related problems/injuries off the top of my head. Kobe may be on to something here :eek:

[I<3NBA]

Bolded are players who have experienced back related problems/injuries off the top of my head. Kobe may be on to something here :eek:
9 out of 35 for 25.7% is really low. other extraneous factors are also not taken into account. for all we know, it could be diet or conditioning more than taking charges.

[Xiao Yao You]

Bird dove all over the floor. His bad back probably came from the reckless abandon he played the game with.

[The_Yearning]

Bird and Pippen took charges and had bad backs. Are taking charges and bad backs related at all?

But we really shouldn't look at them. We should look at the league's top charge takers and whether they have back problems more often than non charge takers.

Leading 2006-07 NBA Players in drawing Offensive Fouls


1 CLE Varejao 99
2 DAL Harris 77
3 MIL Bogut 74
4 PHO Bell 72
5 GSW Ellis 64
6 PHO Nash 62
7 IND O'Neal 57
8 CHI Nocioni 50
9 HOU Battier 50
10 Gs/Ind Dunleavy 49
11 MIA Posey 46
12 NJN Collins 45
13 UTA Fisher 45
14 CHI Wallace 44
15 Phi/Den Iverson 43
16 Den/Phi Joe.Smith 43
17 NOK Mason 42
18 CHI Hinrich 40
19 NJN Moore 37
20 LAL Parker 37
21 CHA Wallace 36
22 NJN Nachbar 35
23 DAL Howard 35
24 WAS Daniels 34
25 MIA Haslem 34
26 IND Harrington 34
27 TOR Parker 33
28 TOR Bosh 33
29 NJN Carter 32
30 SAS Oberto 31
31 SAS Ginobili 31
32 SAS Bowen 31
33 PHO Barbosa 31
34 SAC Martin 31
35 UTA Collins 31

Do these players have bad backs?

This is drawing offensive fouls. Not all of these players get them by taking charges. Show me a video of Kevin Martin taking a charge. Lol even Smush Parker is up there... get the hell outta here with this list.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I agree. A lot of floppers are the ones who are good at taking charges(ahem, Derek Fisher). Why risk getting hurt plus if you don't get the call you have taken yourself out of the play. Stay on your feet and just contest the damn shot.

[Myth]

9 out of 35 for 25.7% is really low.

I don't consider that low. I'd like to see a comparable list of players who play a equal amounts of ball but take less charges and see what their % is.

[tpols]

9 out of 35 for 25.7% is really low. other extraneous factors are also not taken into account. for all we know, it could be diet or conditioning more than taking charges.
5 out of the top 8 have problems..

[iamgine]

Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

Player

[Myth]

. I've seen Michael not take one ... charge and he's healthy his whole career, and the same thing with Magic," Bryant said.


What if this strategy backfires and by Kobe following Michael and Magic, he ends up running a shitty franchise while dealing with HIV. :eek:

[iamgine]

What if this strategy backfires and by Kobe following Michael and Magic, he ends up running a shitty franchise while dealing with HIV. :eek:
Or simultaneously become GOAT PG and SG :eek:

[TheBigVeto]

MJ, Magic and Kobe are all ******* then. Pippen and Bird have balls.

[AngelEyes]

MJ, Magic and Kobe are all ******* then. Pippen and Bird have balls.

That's a rather simplistic and misguided point of view. Taking charges is not necessarily the right play, in fact it can easily be viewed as a risky play. Instead of trying to take a charge and perhaps letting the defender go by you when the official doesn't call a foul, you can stay with your man and contest the shot. Bill Walton, for one, was never enamored with taking charges, he especially disliked big men taking charges when they should be playing defense and challenging shots. Taking charges is hit and miss, people need to understand this.

[The Macho Man]

From the same article


"There's a difference . We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water.[B] That's kind of like, where are your balls at?"

Shots fired Clippers

[White Mamba]

magic and mj said it be4, kobe learned from them.

[Godzuki]

That's a rather simplistic and misguided point of view. Taking charges is not necessarily the right play, in fact it can easily be viewed as a risky play. Instead of trying to take a charge and perhaps letting the defender go by you when the official doesn't call a foul, you can stay with your man and contest the shot. Bill Walton, for one, was never enamored with taking charges, he especially disliked big men taking charges when they should be playing defense and challenging shots. Taking charges is hit and miss, people need to understand this.


thing is tho it deters guards from penetrating especially if they get anywhere close to foul trouble. Mike Brown's quote in the article went unnoticed but he did say he puts taking charges over blocking shots in importance. It gives you the ball but more importantly gives the guard a foul, and makes him second guess driving, at the very least worry about any defensive fixtures in the lane a lot more. charge calls can be huge in clutch moments but i guess in a lot of other moments its just another play in a game.

[Godzuki]

Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

Player’s Name Charges drawn
Grant Hill 65
Jose Barea 58
Derek Fisher 54
Glen Davis 54
Nick Collison 51
Devin Harris 49
Manu Ginobili 48
Ersan Ilyasova 47
Blake Griffin 46
Gerald Wallace 42
Wesley Matthews 42
Corey Brewer 40
Monta Ellis 40
Danilo Gallinari 39
DeMarcus Cousins 39
Beno Udrih 38
Chris Paul 38
Jon Brockman 38
James Jones 37
Josh Smith 36
Anthony Tolliver 36
Raja Bell 36
Marc Gasol 35
Nicolas Batum 34
Kyle Lowry 33
Luis Scola 33
Mike Conley 33
Mike Bibby 32
Deron Williams 30
Kris Humphries 30
Kurt Thomas 30
Marcin Gortat 30
Andre Miller 29
Andrew Bogut 29
Chuck Hayes 28
Kevin Love 27
Thaddeus Young 27
JaVale McGee 26
Stephen Curry 26
George Hill 25
Gerald Henderson 24
James Posey 24
Jeff Foster 24
Keyon Dooling 24
Kirk Hinrich 24
Rudy Fernandez 24
Jarrett Jack 23
Jason Collins 23
Ben Wallace 22
Quentin Richardson 22
Steve Nash 22
Luol Deng 21
Andrea Bargnani 21
Darrell Arthur 21
Hakim Warrick 21
J.J. Redick 21
Kwame Brown 21
Raymond Felton 21
Ryan Hollins 21
Samardo Samuels 21
Shane Battier 21
Anthony Parker 20
Corey Maggette 20
Mike Dunleavy 20
Nick Young 20
Ronnie Price 20
Tyler Hansbrough 20
Al Jefferson 19
Brian Cardinal 19
Drew Gooden 19
John Wall 19
Kevin Martin 19
Mario Chalmers 19
Ryan Anderson 19
Tiago Splitter 19
Vince Carter 19
Nene Hilario 18
Anderson Varejao 18
Channing Frye 18
Jameer Nelson 18
Jodie Meeks 18
Jordan Farmar 18
Patrick Mills 18
Rajon Rondo 18
Toney Douglas 18
J.R. Smith 17
Tyson Chandler 17
Derrick Rose 17
Emeka Okafor 17
Gary Neal 17
Lamar Odom 17
Marreese Speights 17
Omer Asik 17
Paul Millsap 17
Sam Young 17
Aaron Brooks 16
Al Harrington 16
Ben Gordon 16
Danny Granger 16
Jared Jeffries 16
LaMarcus Aldridge 16
Leandro Barbosa 16
Marcus Camby 16
Sasha Vujacic 16
Amare Stoudemire 15
Boris Diaw 15
Brandon Roy 15
C.J. Watson 15
DeMar DeRozan 15
DeShawn Stevenson 15
Hilton Armstrong 15
Jose Calderon 15
Jrue Holiday 15
Landry Fields 15
Marco Belinelli 15
Steve Blake 15
Willie Green 15
Jason Kidd 14
Daniel Gibson 14
Darren Collison 14
Dwyane Wade 14
Eric Bledsoe 14
James Harden 14
Luc Mbah a Moute 14
Mo Williams 14
Nate Robinson 14
Pau Gasol 14
Paul Pierce 14
Randy Foye 14
Tayshaun Prince 14
C.J. Miles 13
DeAndre Jordan 13
Earl Watson 13
Jason Richardson 13
Jerryd Bayless 13
Kobe Bryant 13
Martell Webster 13
Mickael Pietrus 13
Nenad Krstic 13
Rodney Stuckey 13
Ronnie Brewer 13
Stephen Jackson 13
Ty Lawson 13
Austin Daye 12
Carlos Delfino 12
Charlie Villanueva 12
D.J. Augustin 12
Joel Przybilla 12
Keith Bogans 12
Kyle Korver 12
LeBron James 12
Luke Ridnour 12
Paul George 12
Ramon Sessions 12
Tyrus Thomas 12
Zaza Pachulia 12
Jason Thompson 11
Amir Johnson 11
Andre Iguodala 11
Andres Nocioni 11
Antawn Jamison 11
Carmelo Anthony 11
Chris Duhon 11
Dorell Wright 11
Josh McRoberts 11
Louis Williams 11
Michael Beasley 11
Omri Casspi 11
Richard Jefferson 11
Shelden Williams 11
Spencer Hawes 11
Tony Parker 11
Tracy McGrady 11
Udonis Haslem 11
Al Thornton 10
Anthony Randolph 10
Brook Lopez 10
Carl Landry 10
Chris Bosh 10
Dahntay Jones 10
DeJuan Blair 10
Dwight Howard 10
Eduardo Najera 10
Gilbert Arenas 10
Greg Monroe 10
Hedo Turkoglu 10
Ian Mahinmi 10
Jared Dudley 10
Jarron Collins 10
Joel Anthony 10
Jordan Crawford 10
Louis Amundson 10
Othyus Jeffers 10
Rashard Lewis 10
Richard Hamilton 10
Ron Artest 10
Russell Westbrook 10
Trevor Ariza 10
Wesley Johnson 10
Will Bynum 9
Andray Blatche 9
David Lee 9
Donte Greene 9
Ekpe Udoh 9
Francisco Garcia 9
Ike Diogu 9
Jeff Green 9
Jermaine O’Neal 9
Eugene Jeter 9
Reggie Williams 9
Ronny Turiaf 9
Chauncey Billups 8
Chris Andersen 8
Andrei Kirilenko 8
Baron Davis 8
Brad Miller 8
Brandon Jennings 8
Brian Cook 8
Carlos Arroyo 8
Chase Budinger 8
Craig Smith 8
Earl Boykins 8
Evan Turner 8
Francisco Elson 8
Goran Dragic 8
J.J. Hickson 8
Jamal Crawford 8
Jason Maxiell 8
John Salmons 8
Leon Powe 8
Marcus Thornton 8
Nazr Mohammed 8
Roy Hibbert 8
Shawne Williams 8
Tony Allen 8
Travis Outlaw 8
Tyreke Evans 8
Yi Jianlian 8
Anthony Morrow 7
Brandon Rush 7
Cartier Martin 7
David West 7
Elton Brand 7
Jason Terry 7
Joey Graham 7
Jordan Hill 7
Kevin Durant 7
Manny Harris 7
Ray Allen 7
Reggie Evans 7
Serge Ibaka 7
Stephen Graham 7
T.J. Ford 7
Xavier Henry 7
A.J. Price 7
Hasheem Thabeet 6
Andris Biedrins 6
Darko Milicic 6
Gordon Hayward 6
Ishmael Smith 6
James Anderson 6
Jeff Teague 6
Joe Johnson 6
Jonny Flynn 6
Juwan Howard 6
Kevin Garnett 6
Luke Harangody 6
Luther Head 6
Marquis Daniels 6
O.J. Mayo 6
Quinton Ross 6
Solomon Jones 6
Thabo Sefolosha 6
Zabian Dowdell 6
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 6
Al-Farouq Aminu 5
Armon Johnson 5
Arron Afflalo 5
Dan Gadzuric 5
Dante Cunningham 5
Dirk Nowitzki 5
Eric Maynor 5
Greivis Vasquez 5
Jeremy Lin 5
Johan Petro 5
Josh Childress 5
Josh Howard 5
Julian Wright 5
Maurice Evans 5
Sebastian Telfair 5
Shaun Livingston 5
Tim Duncan 5
Wayne Ellington 5
Wilson Chandler 4
Al Horford 4
Alonzo Gee 4
Brandon Bass 4
Brendan Haywood 4
Charlie Bell 4
Courtney Lee 4
Darnell Jackson 4
David Andersen 4
Jason Smith 4
Jeff Adrien 4
Jeremy Evans 4
Jermaine Taylor 4
Joakim Noah 4
Kyrylo Fesenko 4
Linas Kleiza 4
Luke Walton 4
Mike Miller 4
Rudy Gay 4
Samuel Dalembert 4
Semih Erden 4
Shannon Brown 4
Timofey Mozgov 4
Trevor Booker 4
Willie Warren 4
Zach Randolph 4
Gary Forbes 3
Acie Law 3
Anthony Carter 3
Antonio McDyess 3
Christian Eyenga 3
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga 3
Damien Wilkins 3
Derrick Favors 3
Dominic McGuire 3
Earl Clark 3
Jamario Moon 3
James Johnson 3
Jawad Williams 3
Kevin Seraphin 3
Larry Sanders 3
Lazar Hayward 3
Malik Allen 3
Marvin Williams 3
Matt Barnes 3
Matt Bonner 3
Nikola Pekovic 3
Roger Mason 3
Ryan Gomes 3
Shawn Marion 3
Sonny Weems 3
Sundiata Gaines 3
Taj Gibson 3
Tony Battie 3
Troy Murphy 3
Vladimir Radmanovic 3
Von Wafer 3
Andrew Bynum 2
Ben Uzoh 2
Chris Quinn 2
Chris Wilcox 2
D.J. White 2
Derrick Brown 2
Ed Davis 2
Eddie House 2
Josh Powell 2
Kendrick Perkins 2
Kenyon Martin 2
Lance Stephenson 2
Mario West 2
Melvin Ely 2
Patrick Patterson 2
Quincy Pondexter 2
Robin Lopez 2
Rodrigue Beaubois 2
Royal Ivey 2
Sasha Pavlovic 2
Shaquille O’Neal 2
Aaron Gray 1
Alexis Ajinca 1
Bill Walker 1
Carlos Boozer 1
Chris Douglas-Roberts 1
Daequan Cook 1
Derrick Caracter 1
Devin Ebanks 1
Eric Gordon 1
Erick Dampier 1
Garrett Temple 1
Hamed Haddadi 1
Ime Udoka 1
Jamaal Magloire 1
Jason Kapono 1
Joey Dorsey 1
Kosta Koufos 1
Matt Carroll 1
Rodney Carney 1


Lets see how many players have bad backs in this list.

i swear all of them have been injured here and there, i just can't remember if they were back problems tho.

and theres still that margin for error with playing basketball in general leading to back problems, taking charges or not.

[fos]

Dirk with 5! Good job :cheers:

[Da_Realist]

Kobe knows damn well that MJ took charges. It ain't even worth posting the evidence.

[jlip]

Kobe knows damn well that MJ took charges. It ain't even worth posting the evidence.

Yep. Even the poster just the other day in his attempt to prove than MJ flopped used a video of MJ taking a charge as his evidence.

Edit: Found it.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7273934&postcount=1

[32jazz]

Yep. Even the poster just the other day in his attempt to prove than MJ flopped used a video of MJ taking a charge as his evidence.

Are you & the DaRealist that damn stupid or are you being sarcastic?

[Rake2204]

thing is tho it deters guards from penetrating especially if they get anywhere close to foul trouble. Mike Brown's quote in the article went unnoticed but he did say he puts taking charges over blocking shots in importance. It gives you the ball but more importantly gives the guard a foul, and makes him second guess driving, at the very least worry about any defensive fixtures in the lane a lot more. charge calls can be huge in clutch moments but i guess in a lot of other moments its just another play in a game.
Yep I'm with you here. In terms of strategy, I don't find charges to be particularly riskier than contesting shots. If Rodney Stuckey is barreling down the lane, is it in Shane Battier's best interest to spring from the weak side, get in perfect position between Stuckey and the basket, jump, and try to block the shot? Or is he better off getting to a spot, establishing his position, and taking a charge? I feel as though one of those options would put him at a distinct disadvantage while the other would at least give him a fighting chance on a regular basis.

Without charges, there's virtually no reason whatsoever for a guard, wing, or whoever not to attack the rim with absolute reckless abandon. The only chance the defense would have would be to successfully and cleanly block the opponent's shot, which I find to be quite difficult to pull off on a regular basis. Elsewise, it's going to be a whole lot of free throws. Plus, contrary to popular belief, fouling to send a message isn't as effective as everyone likes to believe it is.

Further, it's not as if someone attempting to take a charge has to set their feet three seconds in advance. Again in terms of strategy, it's not entirely risky to attempt a charge. I've seen folks get side-stepped, but it's not a regular occurrence. Further, I'd venture to say those who are whistled for blocking fouls still likely pale in comparison to those who challenge and are whistled for hacking fouls.


Oh wait, here's the number from 2010-2011 season. Apparently Kobe drew 13 charges.

Lets see how many players have bad backs in this list.
Do you have a link for that list? I'm sort of assuming that list is just an all-encompassing "offensive foul" list, as opposed to strictly being a charges thing.

With that said, I do believe there can be a correlation between charges taken and back injuries. I took a lot of charges in high school and even in a 25 game season, the contusions to my lower back added up very quickly. It's not as if every charge leads to a back injury, it's just that it opens up the possibility for one.

[MontaHardaway]

He just doesnt want to share his true feelings and risk getting fined.

He knows in his heart what every player knows: taking charges is bush league and for bi*tch a$$ floppers who cant defend.

Taking charges is basically getting rewarded for flopping

[Godzuki]

He just doesnt want to share his true feelings and risk getting fined.

He knows in his heart what every player knows: taking charges is bush league and for bi*tch a$$ floppers who cant defend.

Taking charges is basically getting rewarded for flopping


it also shows true sacrifice for your team. teammates have to respect players who take charges because they're putting their bodies on the line more than anything else that occurs in basketball. its why they'll always run over and pick him up off the floor patting him on the back for doing it.

[Godzuki]

Are you & the DaRealist that damn stupid or are you being sarcastic?


are you saying MJ didn't take charges? or the sample size is too small of him taking them to be of relevance in contradicting what kobe said?

[Rake2204]

He knows in his heart what every player knows: taking charges is bush league and for bi*tch a$$ floppers who cant defend.

Taking charges is basically getting rewarded for flopping
I very much disagree with these statements. There is an extremely stark contrast between flopping and taking a charge. Taking a charge is a legitimate defensive maneuver. If someone is standing somewhere on the basketball court, they have the right to that position. As such, if a defender is set outside the charge circle and an offensive player decides to plow them over, I see no way how this could be interpreted as being a tactic for a player for bush league players who can't defend.

I will have to assume the quoted post was made in jest.

[MontaHardaway]

it also shows true sacrifice for your team. teammates have to respect players who take charges because they're putting their bodies on the line more than anything else that occurs in basketball. its why they'll always run over and pick him up off the floor patting him on the back for doing it.

Kobe is not alone in this stance. Believe me. If a player of his caliber and importance to the history of he NBA doesnt respect charges, thats good enough for me.

Ill never respect taking charges, even when it benefits the team im rooting for.

[Punpun]

Dude. Kobe adds in the interview that he respect taking charges as it is a SKILL. He defines it as such. He even mentions Battier.

[ImmortalD24]

doesnt respect charges
..

What Kobe actually said from that same article:


"Shane does a great job taking charges," Bryant said. "Fish actually does a great job taking charges too. ... [B]It's a skill. It's definitely a skill. I know at Duke they teach that, they drill that, how to step in and take charges and sacrifice your body."


"There's a difference [between taking a charge and flopping]. We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water. That's kind of like, where are your balls at?"

[Rake2204]

Kobe is not alone in this stance. Believe me. If a player of his caliber and importance to the history of he NBA doesnt respect charges, thats good enough for me.

Ill never respect taking charges, even when it benefits the team im rooting for.
Out of curiosity, what is it you don't respect about taking charges? Are you operating under the impression that a charge is the same as a flop? I cannot imagine that'd be your stance.

[LamarOdom]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7935166/2012-nba-playoffs-los-angeles-lakers-kobe-bryant-cites-injury-risk-drawing-charges

Full article

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan definitely took charges (probably one of the best of that era at drawing them, though he certainly tried to make defensive plays on the ball more often that taking the charge). So I'm not sure what you mean there.

[iamgine]

i swear all of them have been injured here and there, i just can't remember if they were back problems tho.

and theres still that margin for error with playing basketball in general leading to back problems, taking charges or not.
There should be a pattern if it's true.

[PickernRoller]

Leave it to the biggest clown and raped whore on ISH to fool everybody on a Kobe troll thread in disguise....slowly coming back from the rape suffered months ago I see. Need some more? Crawling back.....slowly but surely, no shame.

[Godzuki]

Leave it to the biggest clown and raped whore on ISH to fool everybody on a Kobe troll thread in disguise....slowly coming back from the rape suffered months ago I see. Need some more? Crawling back.....slowly but surely, no shame.


lol coming from the kobe homer that put me on ignore and was so paranoid of me entering a laker thread, he worried about it days before the game threads :oldlol:

nobody on ISH are as bad posters as you kobe homers. nobody is even close. besides i just found out Millwad = your buddy Lakersreign which puts ya'll definitely at worst posters ever levels, even if theres a dozen of you between your alts.

and why are you getting so butthurt about me starting a thread quoting a kobe article? insecure much? my bad you seem to be insecure 24/7 when it comes to Kobe and the Lakers :roll: :roll: i swear a lot of you kobe homers are really insecure lil kids...

[Smoke117]

He just doesnt want to share his true feelings and risk getting fined.

He knows in his heart what every player knows: taking charges is bush league and for bi*tch a$$ floppers who cant defend.

Taking charges is basically getting rewarded for flopping

I see, so...Scottie Pippen couldn't play defense? Gotcha.

[LakersReign]

lol coming from the kobe homer that put me on ignore and was so paranoid of me entering a laker thread, he worried about it days before the game threads :oldlol:

nobody on ISH are as bad posters as you kobe homers. nobody is even close. besides i just found out Millwad = your buddy Lakersreign which puts ya'll definitely at worst posters ever levels, even if theres a dozen of you between your alts.

and why are you getting so butthurt about me starting a thread quoting a kobe article? insecure much? my bad you seem to be insecure 24/7 when it comes to Kobe and the Lakers :roll: :roll: i swear a lot of you kobe homers are really insecure lil kids...


still posting on an alt balding homo?

of course i'm back...

i'm poodle aka godzuki aka smokeee aka budaas from p8 of the ev8 thread :pimp:http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245084&page=11

Please continue to call me EVERYBODY on ISH, like you(32dayz) keep forgetting to take your Tourette's meds before you log on.:sleeping

32dayz/bwink23/poodle/godzuki trying (and failing miserably)with that pathetic fail for over 6 months now, but is still way too ret**ded to admit it cuz he has nothing else = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhPe5l8V_04 :lol

Notice how he desperately tried to walk it off, like this dancing clown(32dayz)?:roll:

[PickernRoller]

If homer and insecure is all you got start putting padding on your @ss, the rape is gonna hurt....again.

[LakersReign]

If homer and insecure is all you got start putting padding on your @ss, the rape is gonna hurt....again.

That's all the idiot ever really has. The same boring sh*t over and over and over and over. He's been calling me milwad and nick young for over 6 months now cuz they whooped his a** on the OTC so bad, it STILL hurts. He so traumatized by that he thinks ANYBODY that calls him out for the clown he so clearly is is supposedly milwad. Then he tries to call other people insecure?:lol

The sad part is the only people he can fool with his "act" is other idiots like pauk and lebron23, which is quite embarrassing really. But since he's OBVIOUSLY ret**ded, he lacks the common sense to understand that he has no credibility. Therefore normal people will never believe a word he says:facepalm

[Godzuki]

If homer and insecure is all you got start putting padding on your @ss, the rape is gonna hurt....again.


what rape? all you did was duck me and threaten to put me on ignore while being paranoid in game threads i'd show up :oldlol:

say i'm lying....hell just post one time you ever 'raped' me in anything. if ISH had polling between you, lakersreign, heavincent, etc. ya'll would easily be voted worst posters. you insulate yourselves with other kobe fans, like a cult, so you can pretend to validate yourselves in your lil reality bubble.

[PickernRoller]

what rape? all you did was duck me and threaten to put me on ignore while being paranoid in game threads i'd show up :oldlol:



Quote me and I'll ban myself for a month. You're too easy...too easy.

[Godzuki]

That's all the idiot ever really has. The same boring sh*t over and over and over and over. He's been calling me milwad and nick young for over 6 months now cuz they whooped his a** on the OTC so bad, it STILL hurts. He so traumatized by that he thinks ANYBODY that calls him out for the clown he so clearly is is supposedly milwad. Then he tries to call other people insecure?:lol

The sad part is the only people he can fool with his "act" is other idiots like pauk and lebron23, which is quite embarrassing really. But since he's OBVIOUSLY ret**ded, he lacks the common sense to understand that he has no credibility. Therefore normal people will never believe a word he says:facepalm


they whooped my ass? pretty sure i made your leader nickyoung retire and now he's a has been troll. just wrecked him again today in fact :oldlol:

the only sad thing is how you only talk to other kobe fans where you're insulated to reality, and how much of a joke poster you are. you could be the most hated poster on ISH since you get a lot of mentions on OTC too for being the worst poster on NBA forum, and thats outa all of the kobe fan retards :applause:

[LakersReign]

what rape? all you did was duck me and threaten to put me on ignore while being paranoid in game threads i'd show up :oldlol:

say i'm lying....hell just post one time you ever 'raped' me in anything. if ISH had polling between you, lakersreign, heavincent, etc. ya'll would easily be voted worst posters. you insulate yourselves with other kobe fans, like a cult, so you can pretend to validate yourselves in your lil reality bubble.


Just gotta love it how I mind****** this pathetic troll(32dayz) so bad he HAS TO, MUST, AUTOMATICALLY say my name in every single one of his posts now. Like he's my(LakersReign) little b***h(32dayz):roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Godzuki]

Quote me and I'll ban myself for a month.


swear to God you never sweated me showing up to LAker game threads....i can't believe you're trying to deny it right now :roll: :roll: :roll:

you used to make comments that were clear you were hoping i wouldn't. are you really denying this? :facepalm

[Godzuki]

Just gotta love it how I mind****** this pathetic trool(32dayz) so bad he HAS TO, MUST, AUTOMATICALLY say my name in every single one of his posts now:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

how can you call anyone pathetic when you're known as the worst kobe homer on ISH? :wtf:

lol @ 32dayz....you're way behind the times.

[PickernRoller]

they whooped my ass? pretty sure i made your leader nickyoung retire and now he's a has been troll. just wrecked him again today in fact :oldlol:

the only sad thing is how you only talk to other kobe fans where you're insulated to reality, and how much of a joke poster you are. you could be the most hated poster on ISH since you get a lot of mentions on OTC too for being the worst poster on NBA forum, and thats outa all of the kobe fan retards :applause:

The simple fact that you lack of any other argument other than calling people Kobetards and "worse posters" on ISH to gain cred, put up face shows how shorthanded and pathetic you can be. How many more accounts do you need to realize you got no chance?


swear to God you never sweated me showing up to LAker game threads....i can't believe you're trying to deny it right now :roll: :roll: :roll:

you used to make comments that were clear you were hoping i wouldn't. are you really denying this? :facepalm

101 baby, you don't fall for this crap....try better.

[LakersReign]

they whooped my ass? pretty sure i made your leader nickyoung retire and now he's a has been troll. just wrecked him again today in fact :oldlol:

the only sad thing is how you only talk to other kobe fans where you're insulated to reality, and how much of a joke poster you are. you could be the most hated poster on ISH since you get a lot of mentions on OTC too for being the worst poster on NBA forum, and thats outa all of the kobe fan retards :applause:

(yawn):sleeping



how can you call anyone pathetic when you're known as the worst kobe homer on ISH? :wtf:

lol @ 32dayz....you're way behind the times.

Link?:sleeping

You do realize that you(32dayz) agreeing with yourself(godzuki) DOES NOT mean other people agree with you....right?:facepalm

[Godzuki]

The simple fact that you lack of any other argument other than calling people Kobetards and "worse posters" on ISH to gain cred, put up face shows how shorthanded and pathetic you can be. How many more accounts do you need to realize you got no chance?



101 baby, you don't fall for this crap....try better.


lmao you're the dude who came into my thread all butthurt when it was a simple Kobe thread where i didn't even attack him :oldlol: you're just so defensively paranoid just like your cult brethren kobe homers whenever someone mentions Kobe, you bite before you bark. its like you've been beaten down so much your natural defense mechanism is to jump on somebody for just saying "kobe" :oldlol:

you're like a abused puppy thats been kicked too many times, just like lakersreign. all paranoid and ready to spazz at any minute...

[LakersReign]

lmao you're the dude who came into my thread all butthurt when it was a simple Kobe thread where i didn't even attack him :oldlol: you're just so defensively paranoid just like your cult brethren kobe homers whenever someone mentions Kobe, you bite before you bark. its like you've been beaten down so much your natural defense mechanism is to jump on somebody for just saying "kobe" :oldlol:

you're like a abused puppy thats been kicked too many times, just like lakersreign. all paranoid and ready to spazz at any minute...


AND....there goes my(LakersReign) b***h(godzuki) saying my name again....AS ALWAYS....AT MY(LakersReign) COMMAND....RIGHT ON CUE!!!!:roll:

(Now watch carefully as he says my name AGAIN, in his very next post)

[PickernRoller]

lmao you're the dude who came into my thread all butthurt when it was a simple Kobe thread where i didn't even attack him :oldlol: you're just so defensively paranoid just like your cult brethren kobe homers whenever someone mentions Kobe, you bite before you bark. its like you've been beaten down so much your natural defense mechanism is to jump on somebody for just saying "kobe" :oldlol:

you're like a abused puppy thats been kicked too many times, just like lakersreign. all paranoid and ready to spazz at any minute...

Plenty of Kobe hate going around that I don't bother responding to, nor am I interested in being a part off......hate and trolling comes and goes. Who gives a sh1t what people say about Kobe, that's not my problem. Someone calling himself a Laker fan however and spouting sh1t 24/7 as a legit "Laker fan" did attract my attention after derailing Laker threads......then I got into the world of the biggest whore on ISh, unknown to me at that time. Which to my surprise was revealed very but very fast.

You can try again, one more chance.........calling me a kobetard enters in my right ear and quickly goes out the left. Have you really not got anything better? Disappointed....I guess the Bynum thing died pretty fast didn't it.....:lol :lol :lol :lol How old are you seriously, 16 tops?

[Godzuki]

AND....there goes my(LakersReign) b***h(godzuki) saying my name again....AS ALWAYS....AT MY(LakersReign) COMMAND....RIGHT ON CUE!!!!:roll:

(Now watch carefully as he says my name AGAIN, in his very next post)


lakersreign is the worst poster on ish.

thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[Godzuki]

Plenty of Kobe hate going around that I don't bother responding to, nor am I interested in being a part off......hate and trolling comes and goes. Who gives a sh1t what people say about Kobe, that's not my problem. Someone calling himself a Laker fan however and spouting sh1t 24/7 as a legit "Laker fan" did attract my attention after derailing Laker threads......then I got into the world of the biggest whore on ISh, unknown to me at that time. Which to my surprise was revealed very but very fast.

You can try again, one more chance.........calling me a kobetard enters in my right ear and quickly goes out the left. Have you really not got anything better? Disappointed....I guess the Bynum thing died pretty fast didn't it.....:lol :lol :lol :lol How old are you seriously, 16 tops?


wtf are you smokin? you just responded to it dumbass. how the hell did you just end up in this thread then? you basically contradicted everything you just said you do :facepalm

and don't even play the age card when i'm way smarter than you fgt.

[PickernRoller]

wtf are you smokin? you just responded to it dumbass. how the hell did you just end up in this thread then? you basically contradicted everything you just said you do :facepalm

I ended up here because the biggest whore on ISh appeared again....I though it was the appropriate time for some rape, had some free time. Kobetard sure....worse poster on ISH sure....homer sure...., anything new from the real "Laker fan"? Let's see, Bynum thing died, Laker fan cred died, alternate accounts whore exposed, trolling exposed, teenager exposed. What is left for you to grasp on after all the rape? No shame, no shame....

I guess the real question is, after being soo exposed, how can you still post here? Really puzzling, someone with their head right would at least have some self respect. I guess that's why there is such thing called hoe..

[Godzuki]

I ended up here because the biggest whore on ISh appeared again....I though it was the appropriate time for some rape, had some free time. Kobetard sure....worse poster on ISH sure....homer sure...., anything new from the real "Laker fan"?


you're a kobe homer, not a laker fan. just like lakersreign(see? i name dropped you again!!!1). how defensive you were in this thread about Kobe proves it when i didn't even say anything negative about him...don't even try to play it off now gimp :facepalm

like i said you're insulated amongst other kobe fans, thinking you're smart or wise, know bball, but y'all are some of the worst game breakdown fans i've ever seen here. everything is based on kobe, and everyone knows thats how y'all are here, and where you get your worst homers on ISH rep from. say i'm lying :coleman:

[LakersReign]

lakersreign is the worst poster on ish.

thoughts? :confusedshrug:



AND....there goes my(LakersReign) b***h(godzuki) saying my name again....AS ALWAYS....AT MY(LakersReign) COMMAND....RIGHT ON CUE!!!!:roll:

(Now watch carefully as he says my name AGAIN, in his very next post)
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7312470

There go my(LakersReign) b***h(godzuki) saying my name....AGAIN!!!!:oldlol:

Oh, and by the way, please keep trying to scare me with you(32dayz) agreeing with yourself, cuz OBVIOUSLY no one else will. How pathetic is that?:facepalm


(Now watch carefully as he says my name....AGAIN cuz he's mindblown:oldlol: )

[Godzuki]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7312470


There go my(LakersReign) b***h(godzuki) saying my name....AGAIN!!!!:oldlol:

Oh, and by the way, please keep trying to scare me with you(32dayz) agreeing with yourself, cuz OBVIOUSLY no one else will. How pathetic is that?:facepalm


lakersreign is the worst poster on ISH

thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

Look how desperate he(32dayz) is for support now:roll:

Nobody believes him but himself. Sad:lol

[PickernRoller]

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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[Godzuki]

Look how desperate he(32dayz) is for support now:roll:


lol i was asking you that fool :oldlol:

:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

How is this shit even allowed? Do your job mods.

[Godzuki]

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just curious but do you paste kobe's head to your pron stash pics? just wondering what its like to be a kobe fan...

thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[LakersReign]

lol i was asking you that fool :oldlol:

:facepalm


Clown please. Yeah...that makes sense since NOBODY...EVER agrees with you, doesn't it?:roll:

And there he goes agreeing with himself. OOOO....I'm like so scared of you(32dayz) and your
sock puppets":oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

:mad: :mad: :cry:

http://images.swansonvitamins.com/en_US/images/ItemImages_SW/images_Xl/ICY003_Xl.jpg

Might help out...

[Godzuki]

Clown please. Yeah...that makes sense since NOBODY...EVER agrees with you, doesn't it?:roll:


what...the.... english mf'er do you speak it? :wtf:

[Godzuki]

http://images.swansonvitamins.com/en_US/images/ItemImages_SW/images_Xl/ICY003_Xl.jpg

Might help out...


if kobe asked to pee on your chest, would you let him?

thoughts? :confusedshrug:

[PickernRoller]

:mad: :mad: :cry:



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[LakersReign]

what...the.... english mf'er do you speak it? :wtf:

The truth(that NOBODY....EVER agrees with you(32dayz) or really believes a word you(32dayz) say. Cuz you're(32dayz) a total, utter, and complete joke(32dayz), really does hurt....doesn't it?:lol