Charles Barkley says the NBA lies about player heights, so does DraftExpress:

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/sports/basketball/22score.html

The Important Bits:

[QUOTE=New York Times]

How many times have you heard or read that a basketball player is listed at, say, 6 feet 8 inches but that he is really closer to 6-6? Do you ever wonder how something as objective as height can be in doubt, especially for elite players?

[Vienceslav]

Well as long as everybody gets to exaggerate their height in a equal manner it

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/A-Historical-Look-at-the-NBA-Pre-Draft-Measurements-2912/

The full explanation from the Draft Express

[QUOTE=Draft Express]At the annual pre-draft camp we find out how big players really are. Prior to a few weeks ago the only measurements available were from this decade, but the recent 90

[thelucifer69]

They Listed With Shoes - Charles 6-6 With Shoes No Doubt

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav][B]Well as long as everybody gets to exaggerate their height in a equal manner it

[Vienceslav]

Oh god, please tell me that was sarcasm :lol
Duh.:banana:

[PP34Deuce]

very interesting read....

Height doesn't mean as much now a days...Wingspan has been a big advantage for players...

Boston has been able to start Bradley and Rondo(Rondo 6'1 and Bradley 6'2) because they have wingspans of a 6'6- 6'7 player with great athletiscm.

Wade is more like 6'3 1/2 but the dude plays 6'7.

[dunksby]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]Well as long as everybody gets to exaggerate their height in a equal manner it

[Vienceslav]

Actually KD insisted on being measured barefooted, now please proceed to GTFO. :durantunimpressed:
It begins!:cheers: :roll:

[dunksby]

It begins!:cheers: :roll:
Here let me post a pic for comparison, I hope the angle is not that questionable for your feeble mind:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-118Pd0FOd3U/T2uAPMqX33I/AAAAAAAAA3E/6BmVhT-Ulvs/s1600/jack-nicholson-sticking-finger-flipping-bird.gif

[La Frescobaldi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/sports/basketball/22score.html

The Important Bits:



(continuing...)

In America everything has to get bigger and better every year or you failed. I never did understand the logic of corporate-America; it has actually destroyed some great companies.

Heights haven't changed much at all in the 45 years I've been watching the NBA, except that forwards are taller and guards are slightly smaller.

People say "there's more 7 footers in the league today therefore so and so couldn't make it in today's league." Or whatever. Which is almost pure corporate-America logic. In the NBA, a player can either get it done, or he can't; height has little impact on the world class athletes. There's more teams so naturally, there are more players, of all sizes.

On average though it's the same it has always been, it's simply the players lying about their height to get a payday. And then they have to support the lies the rest of their careers.

[Rake2204]

I think one of the primary issues about height is the standard with which we measure all heights. It seems through time, whether this is right or wrong, it has been a player's "height in shoes" that has prevailed in media guides and high school basketball programs. I don't find that to be much of an issue as long as its consistent with how other players are being measured as well. For the most part, that seems to be the case. For instance, in shoes, perhaps Charles Barkley is 6'6'' and in shoes, Dennis Rodman is 6'7'' (as they're both listed). This would mean barefoot, Barkley would likely be closer to 6'5'' and Rodman 6'6''. It's still telling me there's only a one inch difference between those two players, regardless of their overall total. That's really all I need to know.

The real issue for me would come in if it became clear half of the players were going by barefoot heights and the other half were going by "shoes" height. In that case, if Barkley was going by his barefoot height (6'5'') and Rodman went with his shoes height (6'7''), things become a lot more misleading. However, over the years, it seems a large majority (if not very large majority) of NBA, college, and high school players go by the "shoes" height, so there's still likely general uniformity in that regard.

What that means is that it's likely always possible to see a guy like Al-Farouq Aminu (listed at 6'9'') and say, "Man, wow, he's great. He's not even a legit 6'9''. He's more like 6'7''." And there'd be some truth to that, as his barefoot measurement is 6'7''.25 (while his shoes height is 6'8''.50) but we could just as well likely say that about every single player in the NBA.

So sure, Chuck Barkley might not be a legit 6'6'', but Ben Wallace isn't a legit 6'9'', and David Robinson may not have been a legit barefoot 7'1'', or Chauncey Billups a legit barefoot 6'3''. Due to the shoe height, I'd figure most everyone has an inch or so added to their heights. For me personally, I don't find this a revelation or an area of concern. Barefoot, I'm a smidge below 6'3''. With shoes, I'm a legit 6'4''. Depending on what realm of comparison is being used, I'll refer to one or the other.

[Vienceslav]

Here let me post a pic for comparison, I hope the angle is not that questionable for your feeble mind:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-118Pd0FOd3U/T2uAPMqX33I/AAAAAAAAA3E/6BmVhT-Ulvs/s1600/jack-nicholson-sticking-finger-flipping-bird.gif
Durant is 7ft tall!:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

They Listed With Shoes - Charles 6-6 With Shoes No Doubt

No, read the articles. Shoe heights to justify/extrapolate listed heights is acknowledged as nothing but "Flawed Logic" in the eyes of draftexpress. Their players often show up to camps wearing shoes that are larger than shoes they'll ever play in, and a players in-shoes height still holds no merit in ultimately determining a list height. Dwight Howard, 6'9, 6'10.25 in shoes, 6'11 listed height?... Hmmm my math teachers always told me to round down if the decimal is below 0.5, does the NBA not know simple math?, or do they simply not give a f*ck about shoe heights because that isn't even the point?




And Barkley's shoes in the early 80's when he was a freshman in college when they pegged him at 6-6 were certainly not 1 inch in thickness. Shoes of that kind of thickness were not being seen until the mid 1980's, shoes were very thin prior to the huge high-top Nike era.

http://730foxsports.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/charles-barkley1.jpg

[Lebron23]

very interesting read....

Height doesn't mean as much now a days...Wingspan has been a big advantage for players...

Boston has been able to start Bradley and Rondo(Rondo 6'1 and Bradley 6'2) because they have wingspans of a 6'6- 6'7 player with great athletiscm.

Wade is more like 6'3 1/2 but the dude plays 6'7.

Wade is 6'3 3/4" (6'5" in shoes). He has a 6'11" wingspan.

[Vienceslav]

Ok so this was not the case in the good old days, but it is now , anyway i feel the more relevant measurement is wing span , standing reach and shoulder height , someone with long ass neck will have 1 more in and what is that going to prove?Most people in real life are deluded about their own height anyway.

[CavaliersFTW]

I think one of the primary issues about height is the standard with which we measure all heights. It seems through time, whether this is right or wrong, it has been a player's "height in shoes" that has prevailed in media guides and high school basketball programs. I don't find that to be much of an issue as long as its consistent with how other players are being measured as well. For the most part, that seems to be the case. For instance, in shoes, perhaps Charles Barkley is 6'6'' and in shoes, Dennis Rodman is 6'7'' (as they're both listed). This would mean barefoot, Barkley would likely be closer to 6'5'' and Rodman 6'6''. It's still telling me there's only a one inch difference between those two players, regardless of their overall total. That's really all I need to know.

The real issue for me would come in if it became clear half of the players were going by barefoot heights and the other half were going by "shoes" height. In that case, if Barkley was going by his barefoot height (6'5'') and Rodman went with his shoes height (6'7''), things become a lot more misleading. However, over the years, it seems a large majority (if not very large majority) of NBA, college, and high school players go by the "shoes" height, so there's still likely general uniformity in that regard.

What that means is that it's likely always possible to see a guy like Al-Farouq Aminu (listed at 6'9'') and say, "Man, wow, he's great. He's not even a legit 6'9''. He's more like 6'7''." And there'd be some truth to that, as his barefoot measurement is 6'7''.25 (while his shoes height is 6'8''.50) but we could just as well likely say that about every single player in the NBA.

So sure, Chuck Barkley might not be a legit 6'6'', but Ben Wallace isn't a legit 6'9'', and David Robinson may not have been a legit barefoot 7'1'', or Chauncey Billups a legit barefoot 6'3''. Due to the shoe height, I'd figure most everyone has an inch or so added to their heights. For me personally, I don't find this a revelation or an area of concern. Barefoot, I'm a smidge below 6'3''. With shoes, I'm a legit 6'4''.

This has never been consistent by any definition of the word. Players don't list their height by shoes, they just lie about their height and when questioned they can simply fall back on "it's my height in shoes" as an excuse. Read the articles, they say that directly. Shoe heights are by no means a consistently used or accurate means of player measurement. No 2 shoes a player swaps throughout his career are every going to be precisely the same thickness to begin with. Your height is your height. And your "shoe height" isn't even going to determine your NBA, or NCAA, or even High School. List height is literally just whatever height you and/or your agent want to you to be listed at to attract the attention of fans or scouts.

[dunksby]

Durant is 7ft tall!:applause:
Show me a source where it says Durant is 7ft? Y! says 6-9 DraftExpress says 6-9, FIBA says 6-9, NBA.com says 6-9. So going by a scale of 1 to Bladers, how full of shit are you?

[ralph_i_el]

Scouts can tell how tall you are. Plus some players play taller than they are (chuck), and some play shorter

[Lebron23]

Some of the High Schoolers and teenager players grew a couple of centimeters after being measured in the NBA Pre Draft Camp.

Kevin Garnett 6'11" to 6'11 3/4"

LeBron James 6'7.25" to 6'8"

Kevin Durant 6'9" to 6'10"/6'10.25"

Andrew Bynum 7'0.25" to 7'1"

Chris Bosh 6'10.25" to 6'11"

[dunksby]

Some of the NBA teenage players grew a couple of centimeters or few inches after being measured in the NBA Pre Draft Camp.

Kevin Garnett 6'11" to 6'11 3/4"

LeBron James 6'7.25" to 6'8"

Kevin Durant 6'9" to 6'10"/6'10.5"

Andrew Bynum 7'0.25" to 7'1"
A couple of centimeters and a few inches are very different.

[Vienceslav]

Show me a source where it says Durant is 7ft? Y! says 6-9 DraftExpress says 6-9, FIBA says 6-9, NBA.com says 6-9. So going by a scale of 1 to Bladers, how full of shit are you?
I don

[dunksby]

[QUOTE=Vienceslav]I don

[CavaliersFTW]

Some of the High schoolers and teenager players grew a couple of centimeters or few inches after being measured in the NBA Pre Draft Camp.

Kevin Garnett 6'11" to 6'11 3/4"

LeBron James 6'7.25" to 6'8"

Kevin Durant 6'9" to 6'10"/6'10.25"

Andrew Bynum 7'0.25" to 7'1"

Chris Bosh 6'10.25" to 6'11"

There's no doubt many players can grow after 18/19 years of age, however cite this kind of stuff or it lacks credibility. Key words you need to look for are "measured" and "bare feet" and the Red Flags are public statements from the NBA or NBA team.

[Rake2204]

This has never been consistent by any definition of the word. Players don't list their height by shoes, they just lie about their height and when questioned they can simply fall back on "it's my height in shoes" as an excuse. Read the articles, they say that directly. Shoe heights are by no means a consistently used or accurate means of player measurement. No 2 shoes a player swaps throughout his career are every going to be precisely the same thickness to begin with. Your height is your height. And your "shoe height" isn't even going to determine your NBA, or NCAA, or even High School. List height is literally just whatever height you and/or your agent want to you to be listed at to attract the attention of fans or scouts.
I may have to ask, with sincerity, what is the driving issue here? I'm honestly not asking to be a punk, I'm just legitimately wondering what it is about this clearly imperfect measurement process that draws an issue with you? Is it that teams often must draft players they think are one size but are not really? Or is it just the principle of the matter and general lack of uniformity?

If the issue is teams not being able to draw legitimate conclusions about players these days (though they are now listed twice - with shoes and without shoes), I'd have to agree with other posters who suggest wingspan and standing reach may be equally as important, if not more so. As such, teams must not only rely on height statistics.

Otherwise, as mentioned prior, I'm not sure it's a revelation to anyone that the NBA has historically provided official heights without using an uniform measuring stick, so to speak. Throughout culture, height always seems to be subject to variables. College and high school listings can be just as inconsistent. Most folks can see a listed height of 6'7'' and assume it's generally going to be in that range. In the long run, it's not too big of an issue. Charles Barkley was nasty. It doesn't make any difference to me whether he did it at 6'6'' or 6'4''.75. Awesome is awesome.

[Pointguard]

Shaq's measures, Wow. He had nearly every advantage possible. And he had a pretty good touch - no range and good passing ability. I make a big deal about the 31 point threshold and how insistent it is - wild that even Shaq is subject to it when he was close to breaking the threshold. Interesting is Amare Stoudamire whose advantage seems only to be quickness and athleticism - I imagine he must have a long reach, can get to the 26 ppg (I should add coordination being that Kenyon Martin lacks that quality and has a similar build).

Do you all see DH as having the same superior qualities over the other centers as Shaq had - so-be-it to a lesser degree? Considering we realize that DH is measuring among the tallest in reach.

[Lebron23]

There's no doubt many players can grow after 18/19 years of age, however cite this kind of stuff or it lacks credibility. Key words you need to look for are "measured" and "bare feet" and the Red Flags are public statements from the NBA or NBA team.


LeBron looks 4.25" taller than Wade.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100882?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100881?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100888?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

[PP34Deuce]

LeBron looks 4.25" taller than Wade.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100882?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100881?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100888?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

I think lebron is a legit 6'8 and small change. Ive seen him next to Carmelo and melo is a legit 6'7.

Everyone knows Wade is like 6'3 and change. he's shorter than Kobe who's like 6'5 and change.

[CavaliersFTW]

I may have to ask, with sincerity, what is the driving issue here? I'm honestly not asking to be a punk, I'm just legitimately wondering what it is about this clearly imperfect measurement process that draws an issue with you? Is it that teams often must draft players they think are one size but are not really? Or is it just the principle of the matter and general lack of uniformity?

If the issue is teams not being able to draw legitimate conclusions about players these days (though they are now listed twice - with shoes and without shoes), I'd have to agree with other posters who suggest wingspan and standing reach may be equally as important, if not more so. As such, teams must not only rely on height statistics.

Otherwise, as mentioned prior, I'm not sure it's a revelation to anyone that the NBA has historically provided official heights without using an uniform measuring stick, so to speak. Most folks can see a listed height of 6'7'' and assume it's generally going to be in that range. In the long run, it's not too big of an issue. Charles Barkley was nasty. It doesn't make any difference to me whether he did it at 6'6'' or 6'4''.75. Awesome is awesome.

Creating awareness. Many oblivious fans insist the league is now stacked with giants who underrate their height when the opposite is true, there is constant chatter between some fans discussion these over inflated numbers and they don't realize actual measurements have been taken for many of these players. Speculative pictures, etc - they're silly when real world measurements are available from draftexpress and international competitions etc. Also, using modern inflated heights as a means to diminish prior era's players who's listed heights actually weren't inflated by the player. And also, even the fans that know the NBA's player heights are inflated are usually unaware that it isn't consistent, which is why these arguments over who is taller than who even arrises. :confusedshrug:


For example:

Kevin Durant: 6'9, 7'4.5 wingspan
6'9 list height

Dwight Howard: 6'9, 7'4.5 wingspan
6'11 list height

Kevin Love: 6'7.75
6'10 list height


Coincidence that people are convinced Durant is a "7 footer"? He isn't. It just looks that way next to the league's "bigs" that he is clearly equal too in height like Dwight, and even taller than guys like Kevin Love - despite those guys both being listed taller than he is.

[CavaliersFTW]

And this thread has now been completely derailed by people who've gone into speculation mode again, speculating with the typical grossly inflated crop of numbers seen in every other thread rather than considering that most of these players in question might actually be shorter than expected :facepalm :roll:

www.draftexpress.com/measurements

^---- here i'll save you some time, they've already been measured

[The_Yearning]

I think lebron is a legit 6'8 and small change. Ive seen him next to Carmelo and melo is a legit 6'7.

Everyone knows Wade is like 6'3 and change. he's shorter than Kobe who's like 6'5 and change.

Kobe is 6'4 and change. Wade is 6'4 in shoes though.

[dunksby]

And this thread has now been completely derailed by people who've gone into speculation mode :facepalm :roll:

www.draftexpress.com/measurements

^---- they've been measured


LeBron looks 4.25" taller than Wade.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[CavaliersFTW]

Has any one of the folks speculating heights actually read the original post? How players listed heights are pretty much all inflated?, with only the rarest of exceptions? By rare we're talking maybe half a dozen guys in the entire league. There are measurements actually recorded on draftexpress.com/measurements and here we still have people assuming most all of the list heights of the NBA's modern stars under-listed their heights, and that we must compare them standing next to other players (who also inflated their height) in order to determine their real life heights?

:wtf:

:biggums:

[ILLsmak]

Once the ball is up in the air, your listed height doesn't matter. So why worry?

-Smak

[CavaliersFTW]

Once the ball is up in the air, your listed height doesn't matter. So why worry?

-Smak

Because (the actual) measurements of NBA players are another stat that can be interesting to analyze, at least IMO. Sure at the end of the day the play on the court is all that matters, but everybody likes to see some stats and numbers to add to discussion

[La Frescobaldi]

I may have to ask, with sincerity, what is the driving issue here? I'm honestly not asking to be a punk, I'm just legitimately wondering what it is about this clearly imperfect measurement process that draws an issue with you? Is it that teams often must draft players they think are one size but are not really? Or is it just the principle of the matter and general lack of uniformity?

If the issue is teams not being able to draw legitimate conclusions about players these days (though they are now listed twice - with shoes and without shoes), I'd have to agree with other posters who suggest wingspan and standing reach may be equally as important, if not more so. As such, teams must not only rely on height statistics.

Otherwise, as mentioned prior, I'm not sure it's a revelation to anyone that the NBA has historically provided official heights without using an uniform measuring stick, so to speak. Throughout culture, height always seems to be subject to variables. College and high school listings can be just as inconsistent. Most folks can see a listed height of 6'7'' and assume it's generally going to be in that range. In the long run, it's not too big of an issue. Charles Barkley was nasty. It doesn't make any difference to me whether he did it at 6'6'' or 6'4''.75. Awesome is awesome.

I'm only speculating but I would suspect that Cavs has a slight agenda with this thread. He reads voraciously on ISH and finds a common flaw among the younger guys that post on here; namely, the 60s and 70s were filled with short unathletic players.

So, like a good lawyer, he's building a case by providing overwhelming evidence;

* his detailed measurements threads:

Jerry West
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254467

Russell, Wilt, Kareem........:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257270

* his hilarious thread showing how the modern athlete has evolved since Michael Jordan's day (all 10 years ago now):

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=259723



and now this thread.... where once again Sir Charles makes David Stern drink the truth without any benefit of this bottle:

http://www.tackletreasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/aivarnish2.jpg

[NumberSix]

Kobe is 6'4 and change. Wade is 6'4 in shoes though.
I'd say Kobe is a legit 6'5 barefoot. MJ is 6'4.75 and Kobe is slightly taller than Mike. Like a 1/4 inch. He's about 6'6.25-6'6.5 in sneakers.

Wade is a legit 6'5 in shoes. He's 6'3.75 barefoot, and these days almost ALL basketball sneakers are at least 1.25-to 1.5 inches thick in the heel.

I wear size 13, and all my LeBron's, Jordan's and Kobe's are at least that thick in the heel if not thicker. Kobe wears a size 14, so his would be slightly thicker than mine. LeBron wears size 16 in game, so his are AT LEAST an inch and a half. Dwyane Wade wears size 15, so he's adding close to an inch and a half as well.

Dwyane wade is actually built like a guy who is 6'7. He has long legs and arms. Big hands and feet. He just has a small torso in comparison to the rest of his body.

[Droid101]

They definitely lie. I played with the UCI players. The guy they listed as 6'9 (Stanislav Zuzak) I clearly could see the top of his head (I'm actually 6'9), and the guy they listed as 7' (Adam Parada) I was as tall as him. He was listed as 7' when he played Pre-season games for the Kings and the Lakers, and is still listed as 7' on his wiki.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'd say Kobe is a legit 6'5 barefoot. MJ is 6'4.75 and Kobe is slightly taller than Mike. Like a 1/4 inch. He's about 6'6.25-6'6.5 in sneakers.

Wade is a legit 6'5 in shoes. He's 6'3.75 barefoot, and these days almost ALL basketball sneakers are at least 1.25-to 1.5 inches thick in the heel.

I wear size 13, and all my LeBron's, Jordan's and Kobe's are at least that thick in the heel if not thicker. Kobe wears a size 14, so his would be slightly thicker than mine. LeBron wears size 16 in game, so his are AT LEAST an inch and a half. Dwyane Wade wears size 15, so he's adding close to an inch and a half as well.

Dwyane wade is actually built like a guy who is 6'7. He has long legs and arms. Big hands and feet. He just has a small torso in comparison to the rest of his body.

Kobe said in an extensive NY times story about some of his personal life that he wasn't actually sure what his height was for a long time until out of curiosity he had his wife measure him. (I believe the interviewer brought the subject up when jokingly inquiring if he shrunk since he was once listed 6-7, and later changed to 6-6). He said his wife measured him at exactly 6'4 and 3/4.

1992 Olympics - the Olympic committee knew of inflated NBA heights and so measured the players willing to be measured. Jordan was one of them who got measured, he was 6'4 and 7/8ths.

[La Frescobaldi]

Kobe said in an extensive NY times story about some of his personal life that he wasn't actually sure what his height was for a long time until out of curiosity he had his wife measure him. (I believe the interviewer asked why he was once listed 6-7, and later changed to 6-6). He said his wife measured him at exactly 6'4 and 3/4.

1992 Olympics - the Olympic committee knew of inflated NBA heights and so measured the players willing to be measured. Jordan was one of them who got measured, he was 6'4 and 7/8ths.

Interesting to note that 3 of the all-time greatest players are within just a smidgen of each other: Kobe Bryant, Charles Barkley, & Michael Jordan.

[Punpun]

That's why KD seems so much taller than his written heigth. Boy was measured without his shoes.

[arifgokcen]

That's why KD seems so much taller than his written heigth. Boy was measured without his shoes.

Yes this is true.He could be almost 6'11 with shoes.He is tallest player in OKC starting line-up.

As for wade,he is 6'3 and change but he plays like 6'7 or 6'8.He has ridiculously long arms and short neck.

Lebron is probably 6'7 3/4 or 6'8 without shoes.He grew a little bit since graduating from HS.

Howard is the most special case.I have seen him next to lebron,they sometimes look same height however because of howard's ridiculous wingspan very short neck and incredible athleticism.He plays like 7' footer

[madmax]

Creating awareness. Many oblivious fans insist the league is now stacked with giants who underrate their height when the opposite is true, there is constant chatter between some fans discussion these over inflated numbers and they don't realize actual measurements have been taken for many of these players. Speculative pictures, etc - they're silly when real world measurements are available from draftexpress and international competitions etc. Also, using modern inflated heights as a means to diminish prior era's players who's listed heights actually weren't inflated by the player. And also, even the fans that know the NBA's player heights are inflated are usually unaware that it isn't consistent, which is why these arguments over who is taller than who even arrises. :confusedshrug:


For example:

Kevin Durant: 6'9, 7'4.5 wingspan
6'9 list height

Dwight Howard: 6'9, 7'4.5 wingspan
6'11 list height

Kevin Love: 6'7.75
6'10 list height


Coincidence that people are convinced Durant is a "7 footer"? He isn't. It just looks that way next to the league's "bigs" that he is clearly equal too in height like Dwight, and even taller than guys like Kevin Love - despite those guys both being listed taller than he is.

bingo:applause:
And then we have deluded fools claiming Durant being a "legit" 7 footer, when he's standing next to some 6'8 guy, who is listed as 6'10 for some reason...:lol

[Round Mound]

Barkley and MJ and Bryant are all 6`4 3/4 ft or 1.95 mt

Thunder Dan, Mark Aguirre etc are legit 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt

Dennis Rodman is 6`7 ft or 2.01 mt

Magic is 6`7 1/2 or 2.02 mt compare him to Bird who is a legit 6`9 ft or 2.06 mt

Garnett is over 7`0 ft (he desliked this but its true) around 2.12 mt

Karl Malone is 6`8 3/4 ft or 2.05 mt

[Whoah10115]

OK, this stuff sets to do two things:



1. Play down older guys by saying they were all small and unevolved, while Kevin Love and Al Jefferson are clearly not 6'10 and are also closer to the heights of a lot of guys who are listed as being shorter.





2. The big thing is that it makes an issue out of height. It's as if they are prerequisites to making it into the league...and they include bullshit. My Cousin didn't play soccer at Boston University, because he wasn't allowed to try out, because he didn't run his 40 fast enough. It's an American sports thing.




What the hell would Tyrone do if he was coming up today?

[Vienceslav]

Barkley and MJ and Bryant are all 6`4 3/4 ft or 1.95 mt

Thunder Dan, Mark Aguirre etc are legit 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt

Dennis Rodman is 6`7 ft or 2.01 mt

Magic is 6`7 1/2 or 2.02 mt compare him to Bird who is a legit 6`9 ft or 2.06 mt

Garnett is over 7`0 ft (he desliked this but its true) around 2.12 mt

Karl Malone is 6`8 3/4 ft or 2.05 mt
I actually went to watch some Dream team footage where Barkley is next to Jordan and i was ready to argue with you but it probably is true.
The bit with KG i recently read in a column by Simmons that KG is legit 7ft thought it was some bias by Bill to show that their players are taller,but now that i see it from another source,might be some truth to it.

[CavaliersFTW]

bingo:applause:
And then we have deluded fools claiming Durant being a "legit" 7 footer, when he's standing next to some 6'8 guy, who is listed as 6'10 for some reason...:lol

B-b-b-but it's okay that he's 6-7.75" cuz Kevin Love wuz listed his height in shoes, a legit 6'10...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Eig1sZGzo4Q/SYkSSu9S6HI/AAAAAAAAEBM/ovPJpQLKv8E/s400/484x480-2009012400280.jpg

^----- These must be Kevin Love's shoes :lol

[DCL]

how's this news??? players have been lying about their heights since... like grade school. EVERYBODY does it everywhere at any level.

[CavaliersFTW]

how's this news??? players have been lying about their heights since... like grade school. EVERYBODY does it everywhere at any level.

Sadly, this is news to some people, especially the ones who think NBA players actually went so far as to dramatically underrated their heights rather than overrated them... modern NBA is a league of evolved human giants that are taller than previous generations :bowdown: ...rite? Lots of fans think that, seriously...

[PTB Fan]

Wow.. the NBA after MJ has truly evolved, there're tons of better athletes than the 60's and much bigger as well. OMG.


Not really. If anything, big men have been the same compared to the past if not smaller considering there're more and more smaller PF/C's with ticker bodies, a slightly better athleticism, no post up game (few are expectations of course) and weak fundamentals. Also, bigs who tend to play like guards on the perimeters as well.

The thing that has improved it's the size of the perimeter players, the ways of playing defense has got better (zone, double teams thanks to now excellent double-teams e.g two tall forwards and one guy tries to time your shot from weak side etc) among the other things.

And this thing, is known. They lie in order to help their draft value, because teams wouldn't want to draft (at least not too many) 6'7, 6'8 big men which in reality they get anyway.

I know from my own example, that in shoes, i'm 184/185 cm. Without the shoes, at barefoot i'm at 179 or maybe even 180 cm. That should be around a 6 foot exact right? It makes a difference. Great thread once again OP!

[Euroleague]

Draftexpress.com is a ridiculous horrible website. They lie about so much stuff it's just absurd. I have no idea how anyone can take that site seriously.

[CavaliersFTW]

Draftexpress.com is a ridiculous horrible website. They lie about so much stuff it's just absurd. I have no idea how anyone can take that site seriously.

Had my ear until the lack of:

http://ronehotspotatl.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/evidence.jpg

[GOBB]

What are we arguing about inches? Inches? :lol

What difference does it make you are 6'8 and I'm 6'6? You can do what better than me? Get listed before me in height order? :eek:

[JMT]

Sadly, this is news to some people, especially the ones who think NBA players actually went so far as to dramatically underrated their heights rather than overrated them... modern NBA is a league of evolved human giants that are taller than previous generations :bowdown: ...rite? Lots of fans think that, seriously...

Played college ball in the 70s. No internet to mass distribute info on players, nothing close to the information overload available on college or even high school kids.

Many schools had a program/yearbook that was distributed at every game, with an insert that showed the visiting team's roster. Much more cost effective before the days of modern desktop publishing.

I was listed at anywhere between 6'5" and 6'8", depending who we were playing. Actual height was about 6'7".

Playing a team with small wing players? List me at 6'8" to make them worry about the mismatch. Big, bruising team? Well, I was a quick 6'5" guy.

Played high school ball vs a guy who suddenly grew from 6'9" to 6'11" on signing day. :roll:

There's nothing new under the sun.

[Euroleague]

Played college ball in the 70s. No internet to mass distribute info on players, nothing close to the information overload available on college or even high school kids.

Many schools had a program/yearbook that was distributed at every game, with an insert that showed the visiting team's roster. Much more cost effective before the days of modern desktop publishing.

I was listed at anywhere between 6'5" and 6'8", depending who we were playing. Actual height was about 6'7".

Playing a team with small wing players? List me at 6'8" to make them worry about the mismatch. Big, bruising team? Well, I was a quick 6'5" guy.

Played high school ball vs a guy who suddenly grew from 6'9" to 6'11" on signing day. :roll:

There's nothing new under the sun.

I remember being listed at 6-1 in shoes by my high school team (after the coach measured me), and then being "officially measured" at 5-8 barefoot at some skills combine.

I also remember being listed at 6-1 in shoes in college, after being measured by an assistant coach there.

My actual height though is about 6-1 to 6-2 barefoot, depending on the time of day.

So, these team measurements and listings are totally crazy and ridiculous for the most part.

Either that or I am supposed to believe that my height varied by about 4 inches from one week to another, and that I grew 1-2 inches since college.

It's also really stupid how they use the English system and not the metric system. Just use the freaking metric system already.

It's way more accurate.

[CavaliersFTW]

What are we arguing about inches? Inches? :lol

What difference does it make you are 6'8 and I'm 6'6? You can do what better than me? Get listed before me in height order? :eek:

Are you making arguments about weak eras due to the size of players? Do you like to post photographs of players and bicker on about "so and so must be this height cuz look how tall he looks next to so and so".


If not, congratulations for acknowledging talent over size which is common sense to begin with. But like it or not this thread is relevant to many fans.

[NumberSix]

I can understand guys that downplay their height. Position has a lot to do with it. Kevin Garnet is 6'11.75 barefoot. He's at least 7'1 in shoes. The guy wants to play PF, but it doesn't look right for a guy listed at 7'1 to not play center.

Same thing With Durant. He's at least 6'10 in shoes. Some people might be like, what's wrong with you? Why are you playing SF if you're 6'10?

I think LeBron downplays his height too. He was measured at 6'7.25 barefoot at 18 years old. I think that by the time he reached 21, he was probably a legit 6'8, or slightly under. Anyone who buys LeBron sneakers knows that they have pretty thick soles. Especially since they started put Air Max bags in them. He's at least 6'9 in his shoes.

There's some pressure to play a certain position if you're a particular height.

[skaterbasist]

I knew there was something wrong. I'm 6'1" without shoes and when I see someone like Ramon Sessions listed at 6'3" I started to doubt how they measured them or if they included height with shoes on.

[NumberSix]

Number rounding plays a art too. They don't want to list guys with decimal points. Especially when they generally list guys heights in shoes, which is very inconsistent.

[CavaliersFTW]

I remember being listed at 6-1 in shoes by my high school team (after the coach measured me), and then being "officially measured" at 5-8 barefoot at some skills combine.

I also remember being listed at 6-1 in shoes in college, after being measured by an assistant coach there.

My actual height though is about 6-1 to 6-2 barefoot, depending on the time of day.

So, these team measurements and listings are totally crazy and ridiculous for the most part.

Either that or I am supposed to believe that my height varied by about 4 inches from one week to another, and that I grew 1-2 inches since college.

It's also really stupid how they use the English system and not the metric system. Just use the freaking metric system already.

It's way more accurate.

...Inadequate European youth basketball programs effect the credibility of Draftexpress and 1989-92 Olympic measurements? Is that your evidence against Draftexpress?

[Euroleague]

I knew there was something wrong. I'm 6'1" without shoes and when I see someone like Ramon Sessions listed at 6'3" I started to doubt how they measured them or if they included height with shoes on.

There is some crazy exaggeration. I am 6-1 to 6-2 barefoot, depending on time of day. I saw John Wall once in person. I was just wearing like a 1.5 inch adding hiking boot.

So at most, I could have been 6-2.5 to 6-3.5 in shoes at the time.

Now, John Wall is listed at 6-4 in shoes by the NBA and draftexpress has him at 6-2.75 barefoot, and claims this is an official barefoot measurement from the NBA draft combine.

This proves to me the NBA is really full of it, and so is draftexpress if they actually believe these claims.

Because I saw Wall in person, and he looked no more than 6-1 or maybe at max, 6-2 to me. But really, he looked 6-1. I mean, he had to be at least an inch shorter than me, at least.

He seemed 6-1 in person, but he's supposedly 6-4 in shoes, and "officially measured" at almost 6-3 barefoot by the NBA.

They are obviously totally full of it with their listings.

[CavaliersFTW]

I can understand guys that downplay their height. Position has a lot to do with it. Kevin Garnet is 6'11.75 barefoot. He's at least 7'1 in shoes. The guy wants to play PF, but it doesn't look right for a guy listed at 7'1 to not play center.

Same thing With Durant. He's at least 6'10 in shoes. Some people might be like, what's wrong with you? Why are you playing SF if you're 6'10?

I think LeBron downplays his height too. He was measured at 6'7.25 barefoot at 18 years old. I think that by the time he reached 21, he was probably a legit 6'8, or slightly under. Anyone who buys LeBron sneakers knows that they have pretty thick soles. Especially since they started put Air Max bags in them. He's at least 6'9 in his shoes.

There's some pressure to play a certain position if you're a particular height.

Correct, and people should also note that guys like Durant and Garnet are rare exceptions to an otherwise ever present trend of height inflation. This includes Lebron because whether Lebron grew a few fractions of an inch or not since HS doesn't change the fact that he measured 6'7.25 yet was still immediately pegged at 6-8. And we're supposed to believe his shoes at the time were allegedly .75 inches thick yet Dwights are allegedly 2 inches thick, and 6'3.75 Dwayne Wade's shoes are .25 inches thick? No consistency it's just a jumbled mess of numbers and it gets fans into speculative "how tall are they?" frenzies that almost always results in them over-inflating these player heights even more so than the NBA did.

Height inflation also is a roadblock for young fans to actually accept and appreciate past NBA players and eras that were every bit the same stature as modern players. Using tools like draftexpress.com or doing some actual research to see if any of their players in question is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analyzing photographs.

[Euroleague]

...Inadequate European youth basketball programs effect the credibility of Draftexpress and 1989-92 Olympic measurements? Is that your evidence against Draftexpress?

Draftepxress has been proven to post the wrong heights for a lot of players. They put some as taller than they really are, and others as shorter than they really are.

Example, Ian Vougioukas, Romain Sato, and Kyle Hines have all been officially measured, and using the metric system (which is much more accurate) by team officials in Europe.

Now, understand that the European clubs simply list the player as what he is measured at, they do not make up fake heights like the NBA and NCAA teams often do. Draftexpress even admits this in the OP post.

OK...........so how come draftexpress claims that Vougioukas is only 2.04 meters in height, when he was measured at 2.08 meters by Panathinaikos?

How come draftexpress claims that Romain Sato is only 1.88 meters in height, when he was measured at 1.92 meters in height by Siena and Panathinaikos?

How come draftexpress says that Kyle Hines is only 1.92 meters in height, when Olympiacos measured him at 1.94 meters in height?

Now, keep in mind, that the NBA measures players during the morning, when they are at their TALLEST, to help more inflate their heights. The agents for players also have them sleep on a flat surface and then go to the measurements right after.

The clubs in Europe are measuring guys when they get off the plane, or whatever, and come for their physical.

So, somehow, draftexpress.com manages to make players 1-2 inches shorter than they really are, and claims it as, "official measurements by the NBA". And draftexpress always seems to totally endorse and stick by these combine barefoot measurements.

So....draftexpress.com is full of it on the heights of the players, and they can't be trusted even for these "official barefoot height listings" either.

[miggyme1]

I been knowing about the nba lying about players heights since 96 when allen iverson was drafted.they had him listed at 6 feet even but i met him in person when he was at georgetown.he shook hands with my pops and iverson had him by an inch and my pops is 5'9.also i met derrick rose when he played for memphis.drose and my brother were the same height and my brother is 6'1 3/4

[eliteballer]

NBA lists heights WITH shoes, its not a secret.

[Euroleague]

NBA lists heights WITH shoes, its not a secret.

But they don't list accurate shoe heights.

[eliteballer]

They round up or down

[Euroleague]

They round up or down

Which isn't accurate.

[NumberSix]

But they don't list accurate shoe heights.
There's no such thing. It's not like there is a universal sole thickness for shoes. Every model of shoe is different. If I remember correctly, a pair of Air jordan IV's have soles that are about 1.75 inches thick. I'm a little over 6'3.5 barefoot, but in a pair of sneakers with thick soles like that, I'm well over 6'5.

[CavaliersFTW]

Euroleague stop being so butthurt, it's sad. I make a thread that flat out calls the NBA liars about listing heights which you should be thrilled about, yet your clearly so mad at my Anthony Parker statue poster
that you've felt it is necessary to try and disparage my thread about the independent-of-the-NBA draft entity that measures and archives detailed player measurements down to the precise decimal :facepalm

Only the Draftexpress.com draft data entries that were acquired 2nd hand (and therefore can not be guaranteed to be accurate) are questionable and all of those submissions are fully acknowledged by the Draft Express organization. The explanation to that is actually in the original post I made if you'd have actually cared to read it. I'll spell it out for you, this is their 2nd hand data entries:

*International player heights, which they assume are mostly true for some players but as with everything, they predict there are exceptions - basically what they are saying is "we didn't put the tape up to them, someone else did so take it with a grain of salt".

*Player heights that pre-date ~ the past 10 years or so that the D/E has been recording + entering the data. You'll notice almost none of the vintage player heights are accurate to the decimal. This is because that data was not taken by the D/E.


Example? Shaq on draftexpress is listed 7'1 303

In truth he was 7'0.88 in 1992 - to be precise. If you ask me, that should be the number they use but they can't change it until somebody submits the original source which I am actually apt to do at some point. I've collected a lot of player measurements and identified some of those vintage draft data innacuracies. But players from the past decade that D/E actually put the tape too themselves? :facepalm They actually measured those guys, it isn't second hand. Go fap to some AP highlights and stop trying to discredit the thread with your unsubstantiated nonsense.

[Scoooter]

There's no way in hell Stephen Jackson is 6'8".

[Lebron23]

Captan Jack is 6'6". By the way I don't blame these NBA and basketball players for padding their heights. One of the reasons why Ben Wallace wasn't drafted because he listed his height at 6'7".

[Living Being]

I think lebron is a legit 6'8 and small change. Ive seen him next to Carmelo and melo is a legit 6'7.

Everyone knows Wade is like 6'3 and change. he's shorter than Kobe who's like 6'5 and change.
Enjoying yourself?

[VeeCee15]

No way is Kobe 6'4 barefoot..
He is taller than Jordan and Vince Carter

Kobe is a legit 6'6 without shoes.

[NumberSix]

No way is Kobe 6'4 barefoot..
He is taller than Jordan and Vince Carter

Kobe is a legit 6'6 without shoes.
That's going too far. If that was true, he would be well over 6'7 with shoes on.

[Euroleague]

There's no such thing. It's not like there is a universal sole thickness for shoes. Every model of shoe is different. If I remember correctly, a pair of Air jordan IV's have soles that are about 1.75 inches thick. I'm a little over 6'3.5 barefoot, but in a pair of sneakers with thick soles like that, I'm well over 6'5.

Like I said, they don't list accurate shoe heights.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague stop being so butthurt, it's sad. I make a thread that flat out calls the NBA liars about listing heights which you should be thrilled about, yet your clearly so mad at my Anthony Parker statue poster
that you've felt it is necessary to try and disparage my thread about the independent-of-the-NBA draft entity that measures and archives detailed player measurements down to the precise decimal :facepalm

Only the Draftexpress.com draft data entries that were acquired 2nd hand (and therefore can not be guaranteed to be accurate) are questionable and all of those submissions are fully acknowledged by the Draft Express organization. The explanation to that is actually in the original post I made if you'd have actually cared to read it. I'll spell it out for you, this is their 2nd hand data entries:

*International player heights, which they assume are mostly true for some players but as with everything, they predict there are exceptions - basically what they are saying is "we didn't put the tape up to them, someone else did so take it with a grain of salt".

*Player heights that pre-date ~ the past 10 years or so that the D/E has been recording + entering the data. You'll notice almost none of the vintage player heights are accurate to the decimal. This is because that data was not taken by the D/E.


Example? Shaq on draftexpress is listed 7'1 303

In truth he was 7'0.88 in 1992 - to be precise. If you ask me, that should be the number they use but they can't change it until somebody submits the original source which I am actually apt to do at some point. I've collected a lot of player measurements and identified some of those vintage draft data innacuracies. But players from the past decade that D/E actually put the tape too themselves? :facepalm They actually measured those guys, it isn't second hand. Go fap to some AP highlights and stop trying to discredit the thread with your unsubstantiated nonsense.

Then they need to say at the player's profile pages that the measurements might not be accurate and official. But the way they do it it just makes it seem official.

I mean damn, they have Romain Sato listed at 6-2 and just make it seem like it is official. Anyone that has ever seen Romain Sato knows there is no way in hell that he is only 6-2.

The heights for guys like Vougioukas, Sato, and Hines are flat out wrong, yet they claim them to be official, as measured by the "NBA officially". So draftexpress.com also is questionable and cannot be trusted either.

[kumquat]

Holy shit their jaws look like they expanded a few inches since they got into the league. They look like goddam chipmunks.


LeBron looks 4.25" taller than Wade.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100882?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100881?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/dwyane-wade-and-lebron-james-of-the-miami-heat-poses-for-news-photo/138100888?esource=linkconn&aid=39902&asid=94532

[La Frescobaldi]

Holy shit their jaws look like they expanded a few inches since they got into the league. They look like goddam chipmunks.

oh no.

surely we are not talking about steroids and the recent jaws-ish-ness of D-WYANE WADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cryosites.com/shared/img/a/alvin_9gspb.jpeg


Oh na brah that can't be steroidal growth brah that's just da natral progression of da evolution of NBA athe le tes brah

[Height Freak]

Well... Wikipedia has started adding a note to players listed height in their info box:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobe_Bryant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Barkley

Guess it's the start of something....

[ShaqAttack3234]

Example? Shaq on draftexpress is listed 7'1 303

In truth he was 7'0.88 in 1992 - to be precise. If you ask me, that should be the number they use but they can't change it until somebody submits the original source which I am actually apt to do at some point. I've collected a lot of player measurements and identified some of those vintage draft data innacuracies. But players from the past decade that D/E actually put the tape too themselves? :facepalm They actually measured those guys, it isn't second hand. Go fap to some AP highlights and stop trying to discredit the thread with your unsubstantiated nonsense.

I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.

[CavaliersFTW]

I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.

They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal point

[Deuce Bigalow]

I don't think they list as specific as 7'0.88 and rounded to the nearest quarter inch, that's 7'1". Getting more precise than a quarter inch is pretty pointless so that's not an inaccurate listing.

By the way, where exactly is your source for such a precise figure? I seriously doubt they listed players that precise.
The dude has an an agenda to make it look like Wilt is close to as big as Shaq. Sorry OP, Wilt looks like a teenager next to the man Shaq.

[Euroleague]

Draftexpress definitely LIES about player's heights. They list some players way taller barefoot than they really are and list some way shorter barefoot than they really are.

That whole website is an absolute joke.

[CavaliersFTW]

The dude has an an agenda to make it look like Wilt is close to as big as Shaq. Sorry OP, Wilt looks like a teenager next to the man Shaq.
I really wish Jlauber was here for you to harass but I seriously think you killed him already. Your not supposed to make old people with high blood pressure frustrated beyond belief. Mid-essay a couple of months back now, I fear that he croaked upon seeing one of your routine anti-Wilt threads :(

[ShaqAttack3234]

They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal point

Wilt claimed the 7'1 1/16" figure himself. I read it in a book about him that it use to puzzle people that he claimed such a precise figure. Some thought he was taller than that, by the way.

And the earlier precise figures, like the one you posted for Bill Russell don't seem like they come from the draft camp(did they even have one back then?) Seems like the players themselves claim them. You sure Shaq didn't claim it? Because again whenever I see the draft camp results, seems like they just measure to the closest quarter inch so it'd be bizarre to me if they listed more precise.

I couldn't find anything in an archive search for '92 either.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wilt claimed the 7'1 1/16" figure himself. I read it in a book about him that it use to puzzle people that he claimed such a precise figure. Some thought he was taller than that, by the way.

And the earlier precise figures, like the one you posted for Bill Russell don't seem like they come from the draft camp(did they even have one back then?) Seems like the players themselves claim them. You sure Shaq didn't claim it? Because again whenever I see the draft camp results, seems like they just measure to the closest quarter inch so it'd be bizarre to me if they listed more precise.

I couldn't find anything in an archive search for '92 either.
He may have said it himself but so did his doctor - who claims they came up with it through a special measuring device or w/e they built for Wilt in the late 50's. Again, I will find these figures and the source articles. They don't just come from "books" and they aren't lies out of Wilt's mouth etc. I know the routine, nobody likes to believe anything if Wilt said it. Therefore I never use info that started straight from Wilt's mouth.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I really wish Jlauber was here for you to harass but I seriously think you killed him already. Your not supposed to make old people with high blood pressure frustrated beyond belief. Mid-essay a couple of months back now, I fear that he croaked upon seeing one of your routine anti-Wilt threads :(
Jeff Lauber is alive. He made a post on a different forum about a week ago. I asked him what happened to his account but he hasn't replied. It is the big mystery on ISH as to what happened to his account. You can't even go to his profile page...

[ShaqAttack3234]

He may have said it himself but so did his doctor - who claims they came up with it through a special measuring device or w/e they built for Wilt in the late 50's. Again, I will find these figures and the source articles. They don't just come from "books" and they aren't lies out of Wilt's mouth etc. I know the routine, nobody likes to believe anything if Wilt said it. Therefore I never use info that started straight from Wilt's mouth.

I've read on numerous occasions that Wilt liked to claim that figure itself, but iirc, I read in a Wilt book that he was measured at that height on a device at Temple University in the 60's so I think I at least read one of the sources you did. Not a draft camp like where Shaq would get measured. I don't question the sources for Wilt, I've heard those numerous times, but like I said, I don't see anything like that for Shaq and have never seen the draft camp so precise.

[Rake2204]

They definitely do go that precise when they use fractions of an inch - I'll try to dig up that Shaq article I got it from a newspaper clip from the time he was being drafted - he was measured twice within a matter of 2 weeks or something

First measurement 7-0 and 5/8ths @ 301lbs

Second measurement 7-0 and 7/8ths @ 303lbs

They simply rounded those figures up to 7-1 for print - and used his 303lb weigh in for his initial rookie listing / draft info.

5/8ths is 0.63
7/8ths is 0.88

hence he technically measured 7-0.88"

Jabbar is cited as 7-1 and 7/8ths in 1970's newspapers, the same way Wilt is cited 7-1 and 1/16th - etc. So when fractions of inches are given, that's how I get the precision up to the decimal pointMay I ask, once more, why you believe it would be necessary to list players so specifically? I admit maybe I misinterpreted what you're saying so I'm open to clarification. But it sounds like you're saying you believe Shaquille O'Neal should be officially referred to as being 7-0.88. Do you mean this is what it should say in programs, websites, tv shows, message boards, etc.? If so, why so precise?

I understand creating a relatively uniform measuring process (i.e. measuring everyone barefoot) for the sake of scouting and general information. But I still am unsure of the importance of requiring teams to list players down to eighths of an inch. I'm not sure what we'd do with that information. If someone tells me two players are both 6'4'', I say "Alright". And if someone tells me those same two players are actually 6'3'' and 6/8ths and 6'3'' and 7/8ths, respectively, I don't envision my response being any different. In fact, all I'd likely take from those listings is "6'3''", which wouldn't really hit me any differently than if they were called 6'4''.

I am in favor of there being officially scientific listings somewhere because, why not? It's always nice to have official readings somewhere. But I do not feel there's really anything important enough about heights (aside from message board arguments) that should require teams to only list the most specific height possible. To be completely honest, when going over a game program, it's a little easier to comprehend information when it's dealing with solid numbers (6'5'', 210 lbs) as opposed to the ultra precise (6'4'' and 7/8ths, 207 lbs), particularly when taking in numerous recordings at once and attempting to draw just the loosest of comparisons.

Also, I apologize in advance for presenting a somewhat dissenting view on two of your topics in one day. I do not mean anything malicious about it.

[Height Freak]

The metric system is so much better than feet an inches...

[Lebron23]

what is your real height, morning height, afternoon, or evening height? Cause we are 3/4 inch or 0.75 inch taller in the morning.

[Lebron23]

Some of these players grew taller since being measured by the league during the NBA Pre Draft Camp.

http://www.topendsports.com/testing/images/stadiometer.jpg

Renaldo Balkman 6'5.75" to 6'6"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Renaldo-Balkman-588/

Keith Benson 6'10" to 6'11"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Keith-Benson-5712/

Herbert Hill 6'7.75" to 6'8.75"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Herbert-Hill-584/

Justin Williams 6'7.25" to 6'8"

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Justin-Williams-346/

http://pba.inquirer.net/10497/sundov-tallest-balkman-shortest-among-comms-cup-imports


2013 PBA Commissioner's Cup. Former NBA players Bruno Sundov (7'2 3/4") Keith Benson (6'11") and Former Knicks Renaldo Balkman (6'6") were recently measured.

[quote]Rain or Shine’s Bruno Sundov was officially measured at 7 feet, 2

[Whoah10115]

In America everything has to get bigger and better every year or you failed. I never did understand the logic of corporate-America; it has actually destroyed some great companies.

Heights haven't changed much at all in the 45 years I've been watching the NBA, except that forwards are taller and guards are slightly smaller.

People say "there's more 7 footers in the league today therefore so and so couldn't make it in today's league." Or whatever. Which is almost pure corporate-America logic. In the NBA, a player can either get it done, or he can't; height has little impact on the world class athletes. There's more teams so naturally, there are more players, of all sizes.

On average though it's the same it has always been, it's simply the players lying about their height to get a payday. And then they have to support the lies the rest of their careers.




This is a great post.

[Height Freak]

Barkley and Reggie talking in the holy name of the nba:

At 0:31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0HuPUBvMQ0

This one is hillarious at 0:34

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W86ihKshdhw

P.S. Seem that Charles lies too :P