The Second Pick

[LosBulls]

Has anybody noticed that for who knows how long, we have had players who haven't lived up to expectations between the #1 and #2 Picks?

I'm starting to believe it isn't a coincidence. It Isn't. Teams simply LOVE to take risks and go for the guy they think has the most potential over the already established one, and end up paying for it. The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.

If enough GMs knew this, we would have these soft ass euro players (Sorry Pekovic) being drafted where they belong. And it's not their fault, it's the dumb ass GMs who draft them and continue to not only play them, but pay them 10s of millions of dollars by taking a RISK again thinking they will come through.

This right here I like to call, The Kwame Choice.

I'll explain this post by taking you through the last decade of drafts:

2011 Draft: Derrick Williams (Hes good, but he hasn't lived up to the hype being benched behind a former second pick Michael Beasley)

2010 Draft: Evan Turner (Hes been getting minutes, but also hasn't lived up to the hype)

2009: Hasheem Thabeet (Nuff said, couple D-League trips)

2008: Michael Beasley (Once pinned to be one of the best PFs in the NBA, yet still a good player, not as good as a lot of his classmates)

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)

2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)

2005: Marvin Williams (Marvin Williams over Deron and CP3)

2004: Emeka Okafor (Magic almost picked him over Dwight)

2003: Darko Milicic (Haha)

2002: Jay Williams (If only Houston would of let Yao Ming slide to the Bulls with the 2nd Pick)


Funny how Portland could of had Aldridge and Durant if they would of played it safe the following draft also.

[Punpun]

But.. Derick Williams wasn't the first pick.

[LosBulls]

Maybe if you read the title and the thread you would know what i'm talking about.

[DMV2]

4 of those 10 guys came from powerhouse college schools, UCONN, UNC, Duke (combined for 5 national title in the last 10 years). Might be wise not to draft a Top 3 pick from those schools.

Lawson and Gay might be the two best picks from those school this in the past 6 or 7 years but neither are All-Star players. They're good but not all-stars.

[LosBulls]

4 of those 10 guys came from powerhouse college schools, UCONN, UNC, Duke (combined for 5 national title in the last 10 years). Might be wise not to draft a Top 3 pick from those schools.

Lawson and Gay might be the two best picks from those school this in the past 6 or 7 years but neither are All-Star players. They're good but not all-stars.
Good observation but haven't DeMarCus Cousin/John Wall/Irving came from Kentucky?

Seems to be that the powerhouse schools only produce #1 Picks and the second guy isn't worth it.

[Punpun]

Maybe if you read the title and the thread you would know what i'm talking about.

I did. I don't see your point. Durant is definitely better than Derrick. Even in his rookie year. What's your point ?

[DMV2]

Good observation but haven't DeMarCus Cousin/John Wall/Irving came from Kentucky?

Seems to be that the powerhouse schools only produce #1 Picks and the second guy isn't worth it.
I guess that's true but Coach Cal was never a winner until this year. And those guys are all one and done, meaning they would have never played in Kentucky(DMC, Wall) or Memphis(Rose) if the 19+ age rule wasn't in tact.

Irving is from Duke. A very rare success NBA level Dukie but it's still hs rookie season so we gotta see if he is good or pans out in a few years.

[LosBulls]

I guess that's true but Coach Cal was never a winner until this year. And those guys are all one and done, meaning they would have never played in Kentucky(DMC, Wall) or Memphis(Rose) if the 19+ age rule wasn't in tact.

Irving is from Duke. A very rare success NBA level Dukie but it's still hs rookie season so we gotta see if he is good or pans out in a few years.
Sorry don't follow college that much. From the looks of things the odds are against Austin Rivers and atleast one of the guys from Kentucky is going to bust.

[LosBulls]

I did. I don't see your point. Durant is definitely better than Derrick. Even in his rookie year. What's your point ?
What the **** are you talking about? Nobody's comparing Derrick Williams to Durant.

The point is, Derrick isn't living up to expectations and that every draft year one of the #1 and #2 picks doesn't live up either.


You are obviously retarded and can't read, so please go to another thread and let the grown men discuss this interesting subject.

[Punpun]

I still don't understand. Why are you equalizing the seocnd pick as the established. When D-will is having a meh season like a lot of others here ?

And on the other hand you act like the #1 is only drafted on potential when there have been plenty of good first pick those last years.

[LosBulls]

I still don't understand. Why are you equalizing the seocnd pick as the established. When D-will is having a meh season like a lot of others here ?

And on the other hand you act like the #1 is only drafted on potential when there have been plenty of good first pick those last years.
You are really dumb, aren't you?

It's either one of the #1 or #2 that doesn't live up to the hype you dumb piece of shit. It isn't very hard to grasp.

In every draft ONE of the 1-2 Picks will live up the hype and the OTHER will not. I had to simply it to you 3 times, if you still don't understand the I suggest you quit these forums and go further your education sir.

[Punpun]

I'm quoting you.



The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.
.

Here, you clearly establish #1=Potential, #2=Established. Which is wrong as seen by the players you brought up.

Not my fault you can't write.

[Jasi]

First of all, I don't understand why you mention the 2006 and 2007 drafts, no one of the 4 guys concerned is a bust (in the case of Oden, we just don't know).

Secondly, I think that 50/50 is just a normal distribution of win/fail in the inherent risk that you take whenever you draft.
No one is really "established", all draftees are "potential".

[LamarOdom]

I have thought about that second pick a lot of times. Damn how bad Grizz f*cked up with that Darko draft.

About Greg Oden if he would have staid healthy he probably would be competing with Howard over that best Center honour, if the draft was today i still pick him first or second.

[Owl]

Has anybody noticed that for who knows how long, we have had players who haven't lived up to expectations between the #1 and #2 Picks?

I'm starting to believe it isn't a coincidence. It Isn't. Teams simply LOVE to take risks and go for the guy they think has the most potential over the already established one, and end up paying for it. The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.

If enough GMs knew this, we would have these soft ass euro players (Sorry Pekovic) being drafted where they belong. And it's not their fault, it's the dumb ass GMs who draft them and continue to not only play them, but pay them 10s of millions of dollars by taking a RISK again thinking they will come through.

This right here I like to call, The Kwame Choice.

I'll explain this post by taking you through the last decade of drafts:

2011 Draft: Derrick Williams (Hes good, but he hasn't lived up to the hype being benched behind a former second pick Michael Beasley)

2010 Draft: Evan Turner (Hes been getting minutes, but also hasn't lived up to the hype)

2009: Hasheem Thabeet (Nuff said, couple D-League trips)

2008: Michael Beasley (Once pinned to be one of the best PFs in the NBA, yet still a good player, not as good as a lot of his classmates)

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)

2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)

2005: Marvin Williams (Marvin Williams over Deron and CP3)

2004: Emeka Okafor (Magic almost picked him over Dwight)

2003: Darko Milicic (Haha)

2002: Jay Williams (If only Houston would of let Yao Ming slide to the Bulls with the 2nd Pick)


Funny how Portland could of had Aldridge and Durant if they would of played it safe the following draft also.
Not sure if this is a new thing that one of the top 2 picks won't be elite. Olowakandi, Joe Smith, Pervis Ellison etc. In so far as it being potential versus established Beasley had a better college career than Rose, he was beasting, Chicago took potential and won.
Turner wasn't a potential guy he was considered the safe pick (and after adapting to his NBA role. Picks 3 and 5 Favors and Cousins were the potential picks and they turned out to be better than the "proven" and "safe" Wesley Johnson.
This isn't a safe versus not safe thing. Adam Morrison was a "safe" pick whilst Rudy Gay slipped because he lacked heart and thus was risky.

The thing is don't reach for bigs (a kind of "safe" and "potential"" pick: safe because you can't teach height risky because they may have been mediocre in college) or you may be taking home a Kandi man, or Thabeet.

Do look at college production (Ty Lawson, DeJuan Blair and Kenneth Faried being examples of excellent college players who irrationally fell because people had concerns about size or some other scouting nonsense).

Don't base your drafting on workouts. If someones stock falls because of workouts grab them. Kawahi Leonard was projected as a sixth pick fell, but was excellent value. Reggie Lewis slipped back in the day (and I'm basically stealing an idea given by Red Auerbach expounded in a book on him) because he played at some camp whilst ill and failed to impress. Conversely Kwame Brown and Yi Jianlian have looked excellent in workouts but weren't very good at basketball.

There are of course other factors to be taken into consideration but those are key ones that often get ignored.

[Hittin_Shots]

I'm quoting you.



Here, you clearly establish #1=Potential, #2=Established. Which is wrong as seen by the players you brought up.

Not my fault you can't write.

That does not establish you moron simply putting the it in that order doesn't mean it's 1 and 2 unless you use the word 'respectively'. Learn to know what you're talking about before talking shit.

[Qwertyazerty]

2011: Irving is a hell of a player and D. Williams has shown flashes of what he could be. He is far from being a scrub or a bust. That being said, give me Valanciunas (#5 pick and first soft ass euro player drafted) any time over him.

2010: The first soft asss euro player drafted was S

[nbacardDOTnet]

I could remember

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[LamarOdom]

[QUOTE=Qwertyazerty]2011: Irving is a hell of a player and D. Williams has shown flashes of what he could be. He is far from being a scrub or a bust. That being said, give me Valanciunas (#5 pick and first soft ass euro player drafted) any time over him.

2010: The first soft asss euro player drafted was S

[Jasi]

Did you just call Bargnani great?

Only a white Euro can be considered a bust while averaging 20 ppg...

[LamarOdom]

Only a white Euro can be considered a bust while averaging 20 ppg...

Yeah are you forgetting that he is seven feat and averaging 5 rebounds a game? He is a good offensive player sure but nothing more and he surley isn't great.

[Qwertyazerty]

Did you just call Bargnani great?

Well, maybe not great but decent for sure. I think he is a good player with too much responsability (not a Franchise type of player IMO), but he is a decent player.

Anyway it is not like 2006 was a super draft year... Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy (retired actually), Rudy Gay (zero impact till Zbo and Marc Landed there)... so what's your point, do you really think soft ass euro players are usually ranked higher than they should as OP states???

EDIT:


Yeah are you forgetting that he is seven feat and averaging 5 rebounds a game? He is a good offensive player sure but nothing more and he surley isn't great.

There are elite players, then great players... Bargnani would be considered great if not for his Franchise player Status.

[Jasi]

Yeah are you forgetting that he is seven feat and averaging 5 rebounds a game? He is a good offensive player sure but nothing more and he surley isn't great.

He is a great offensive player. Easily a second fiddle on a contender.

[LamarOdom]

Well, maybe not great but decent for sure. I think he is a good player with too much responsability (not a Franchise type of player IMO), but he is a decent player.

Anyway it is not like 2006 was a super draft year... Adam Morrison, Tyrus Thomas, Shelden Williams, Brandon Roy (retired actually), Rudy Gay (zero impact till Zbo and Marc Landed there)... so what's your point, do you really think soft ass euro players are usually ranked higher than they should as OP???

No I don't have a problem with euro guys actually one of my favourite players is a euro (Gasol).

And Brandon Roy would w/o injuries be right under Kobe and Dwade as the best SG, Rudy Gay is very good and also Rajon Rondo was available but other then that the draft was very weak. About that 0 impact you talking about what were you excpecting Rudy Gay to achieve with that weak Memphis team?

My point is that Bargnani isn't a great player he is as you said in this post a decent player nothing more.

[Jasi]

Anyways, back the point of the OP, his theory is:
1) Either pick#1 or #2 are usually busts because a lot of GMs draft based on potential rather than picking established guys.
2) "Soft ass euros" are generally drafted based on potential therefore turn out to be busts.

(1) is very questionable: a draftee by definition is never established, there are often "safer"/"NBA ready" picks who turn into busts straight away and never recover, and on the other hand "high ceiling" player who start to contribute from their first NBA game.

(2) is definitely a weak commonplace as Qwertyazwerty argued.

[LamarOdom]

EDIT:



There are elite players, then great players... Bargnani would be considered great if not for his Franchise player Status.


He is a great offensive player. Easily a second fiddle on a contender.

He is still a seven feeter that can't grab a rebound to save his life and his post game is ehh he can score that's for sure but he can't defend.

And btw you really think Bargnani could be a second fiddle on a contender? are you serious let's count soem second fiddles and compare him to them.

OKC= Westbrook 3rd=Harden
Lakers= Bynum 3rd= Gasol
Heat= Wade 3rd Bosh.
Bulls= Deng 3rd Noah
Clippers= Griffin 3rd Butler
Knicks= Amar'e 3rd Chandler
Grizzlies= Z-BO 3 Gasol
Spurs= Parker 3rd Manu
Cletics= Garnett 3rd Rondo

List can go on now which of these players do you feel Bargnani is better than?

[Jasi]

He is still a seven feeter that can't grab a rebound to save his life and his post game is ehh he can score that's for sure but he can't defend.

And btw you really think Bargnani could be a second fiddle on a contender? are you serious let's count soem second fiddles and compare him to them.

OKC= Westbrook 3rd=Harden
Lakers= Bynum 3rd= Gasol
Heat= Wade 3rd Bosh.
Bulls= Deng 3rd Noah
Clippers= Griffin 3rd Butler
Knicks= Amar'e 3rd Chandler
Grizzlies= Z-BO 3 Gasol
Spurs= Parker 3rd Manu
Cletics= Garnett 3rd Rondo

List can go on now which of these players do you feel Bargnani is better then?

By "second fiddle" I didn't necessarily mean the 2nd best player but the 2nd scoring option. Andrea's a better scorer then most of the guys you mentioned.

[Qwyjibo]

By "second fiddle" I didn't necessarily mean the 2nd best player but the 2nd scoring option. Andrea's a better scorer then most of the guys you mentioned.
Really? Which ones? Butler, Noah and Chandler and maybe Rondo? That's not many from that list.

Bargnani this year is shooting 43% from the field and only 30% from 3pt (on almost 4 attempts per game). His only saving grace as a scorer is that he's a really good FT shooter and gets to the line at a decent rate. That's not exactly what I'd call a good scorer for your PF/C.

[Jasi]

Really? Which ones? Butler, Noah and Chandler and maybe Rondo? That's not many from that list.

Bargnani this year is shooting 43% from the field and only 30% from 3pt (on almost 4 attempts per game). His only saving grace as a scorer is that he's a really good FT shooter and gets to the line at a decent rate. That's not exactly what I'd call a good scorer for your PF/C.

Off of that list, only Westbrook and Wade are above Bargs in the Points per 48 minutes ranking.
Now, I surely acknowledge that also Bosh, Amare, Parker and Manu can be considered better scorers than him, but all the rest (most of the list) are not.

[B-Easy8]

Has anybody noticed that for who knows how long, we have had players who haven't lived up to expectations between the #1 and #2 Picks?

I'm starting to believe it isn't a coincidence. It Isn't. Teams simply LOVE to take risks and go for the guy they think has the most potential over the already established one, and end up paying for it. The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.

If enough GMs knew this, we would have these soft ass euro players (Sorry Pekovic) being drafted where they belong. And it's not their fault, it's the dumb ass GMs who draft them and continue to not only play them, but pay them 10s of millions of dollars by taking a RISK again thinking they will come through.

This right here I like to call, The Kwame Choice.

I'll explain this post by taking you through the last decade of drafts:

2011 Draft: Derrick Williams (Hes good, but he hasn't lived up to the hype being benched behind a former second pick Michael Beasley)

2010 Draft: Evan Turner (Hes been getting minutes, but also hasn't lived up to the hype)

2009: Hasheem Thabeet (Nuff said, couple D-League trips)

2008: Michael Beasley (Once pinned to be one of the best PFs in the NBA, yet still a good player, not as good as a lot of his classmates)

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)

2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)

2005: Marvin Williams (Marvin Williams over Deron and CP3)

2004: Emeka Okafor (Magic almost picked him over Dwight)

2003: Darko Milicic (Haha)

2002: Jay Williams (If only Houston would of let Yao Ming slide to the Bulls with the 2nd Pick)


Funny how Portland could of had Aldridge and Durant if they would of played it safe the following draft also.

They play different positions and they both come off the bench so I don't know what your getting at. They also almost always play together.

[LosBulls]

They play different positions and they both come off the bench so I don't know what your getting at. They also almost always play together.
B-Easy8

[B-Easy8]

B-Easy8

Firstly, my nickname has been B-Easy for close to 10 years now and my number has always been 8 so it is ironic but it has nothing to do with Beasley.

Secondly that has nothing to do with the point I rose, im a Wolves fan so I know what im saying.

[LosBulls]

Firstly, my nickname has been B-Easy for close to 10 years now and my number has always been 8 so it is ironic but it has nothing to do with Beasley.

Secondly that has nothing to do with the point I rose, im a Wolves fan so I know what im saying.
Join Date: Nov 2008

I recall a certain player was drafted that year.

[LamarOdom]

Off of that list, only Westbrook and Wade are above Bargs in the Points per 48 minutes ranking.
Now, I surely acknowledge that also Bosh, Amare, Parker and Manu can be considered better scorers than him, but all the rest (most of the list) are not.

So you don't count in that Bargnani is a first option while Harden, Bynum, Gasol, Wade, Bosh, STAT.. is second/third options? Bosh in his position averaged 24 a game on +50% shooting, Gasol and Bynum is playing behind Kobe who is shooting 23 shots a game and they are still averaging 18 and 17 a game. How bout Harden third guy averaging 17 a game.

Yeah i think you get the point if he had someone like Kobe, LBJ or Durant he wouldn't average as much points and on that list the only ones he is a better scorer than is Deng, Noah, Gasol Jr, Butler, Chandler and Rondo but everyting they got in common which makes them 3rd options is that all of them are great defenders.

[B-Easy8]

Join Date: Nov 2008

I recall a certain player was drafted that year.

Are you retarted?

Even if I was a Beasley homer how does this change what im saying? All I said was that Beasley and Williams play different positions and that they usually play together thus Williams never got benched for Beasley who oddly enough also comes off the bench.

You obviously have no idea what your talking about so im done here.

[Jasi]

So you don't count in that Bargnani is a first option while Harden, Bynum, Gasol, Wade, Bosh, STAT.. is second/third options? Bosh in his position averaged 24 a game, Gasol and Bynum is playing behind Kobe who is shooting 23 shots a game and they are still averaging 18 and 17 a game. How bout Harden third guy averaging 17 a game.

Yeah i think you get the point if he had someone like Kobe, LBJ or Durant he wouldn't average as much points and on that list the only ones he is a better scorer than is Deng, Noah, Gasol Jr, Butler, Chandler and Rondo but everyting they got in common which makes them 3rd options is that all of them are great defenders.

Fine, we don't have the proof of how he'd fare in those same situation, I get your point. We cannot tell.

Still, he's a 7 footer with a sweet jumper, good handling and drive.
Give me a good defensive center, and an elite guard, and I think you can build a contender.

[Bigsmoke]

i would love to have the 2nd pick in the draft every year.

Evan Turner is on the wrong team to seek his protential.

[LamarOdom]

Fine, we don't have the proof of how he'd fare in those same situation, I get your point. We cannot tell.

Still, he's a 7 footer with a sweet jumper, good handling and drive.
Give me a good defensive center, and an elite guard, and I think you can build a contender.

Hehe kind of every teams dream. But if Bargs could get a first option who could take some of that scoring load of him he could very well average 17-18 on higher percentage, he is still 26 if he hits the weights and work on his post game he could become unstoppable offensivly and that rebounding sh!t has to improve a lot he is seven feet for god sake to only be able to pull down 5 RPG is terrible even Chris Paul a 6 feet guard pulls down more.

[LJJ]

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)



Nice revisionist history idiot. Durant was just as much a "potential" guy before the draft as Oden. Durant was so skinny that he even had to play SG his first year and he didn't look NBA ready at all before the draft. Oden was the clearcut number 1 prospect that year, there was literally no expert or pundit who thought that Durant should go first.


2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)


That draft was all over the place, no one was considered "the best" 1st pick before the draft.




I am 100% confident you didn't even watch the NBA before this year and are under 18.

[Qwyjibo]

Fine, we don't have the proof of how he'd fare in those same situation, I get your point. We cannot tell.

Still, he's a 7 footer with a sweet jumper, good handling and drive.
Give me a good defensive center, and an elite guard, and I think you can build a contender.
The argument is volume vs efficiency. Most (if not all) of those players listed are more efficient in terms of % and relative to their positions.

[Jasi]

The argument is volume vs efficiency. Most (if not all) of those players listed are more efficient in terms of % and relative to their positions.

Nah. By that logic McGee is a great scorer.
Great scorers are volume scorers.
Not that efficiency isn't important... But the scoring title will go to Kobe Bryant, not to Tyson Chandler ;-)

[JMT]

I guess that's true but Coach Cal was never a winner until this year. And those guys are all one and done, meaning they would have never played in Kentucky(DMC, Wall) or Memphis(Rose) if the 19+ age rule wasn't in tact.

Irving is from Duke. A very rare success NBA level Dukie but it's still hs rookie season so we gotta see if he is good or pans out in a few years.

Coach Cal has taken 7 different teams to the Elite 8 and 3 to the Final Four. That's not being a "winner"?

And Duke has more players in the NBA than any other school, so how is Irving's "a very rare success"?

[Qwyjibo]

Nah. By that logic McGee is a great scorer.
Great scorers are volume scorers.
Not that efficiency isn't important... But the scoring title will go to Kobe Bryant, not to Tyson Chandler ;-)
There's definitely levels of that. I do think Bargnani is a better scorer than Chandler but he's not better than say a James Harden.

[LamarOdom]

Coach Cal has taken 7 different teams to the Elite 8 and 3 to the Final Four. That's not being a "winner"?

And Duke has more players in the NBA than any other school, so how is Irving's "a very rare success"?

I think they also are the only college with three first picks.

[LosBulls]

Has anybody noticed that for who knows how long, we have had players who haven't lived up to expectations between the #1 and #2 Picks?

I'm starting to believe it isn't a coincidence. It Isn't. Teams simply LOVE to take risks and go for the guy they think has the most potential over the already established one, and end up paying for it. The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.

If enough GMs knew this, we would have these soft ass euro players (Sorry Pekovic) being drafted where they belong. And it's not their fault, it's the dumb ass GMs who draft them and continue to not only play them, but pay them 10s of millions of dollars by taking a RISK again thinking they will come through.

This right here I like to call, The Kwame Choice.

I'll explain this post by taking you through the last decade of drafts:

2011 Draft: Derrick Williams (Hes good, but he hasn't lived up to the hype being benched behind a former second pick Michael Beasley)

2010 Draft: Evan Turner (Hes been getting minutes, but also hasn't lived up to the hype)

2009: Hasheem Thabeet (Nuff said, couple D-League trips)

2008: Michael Beasley (Once pinned to be one of the best PFs in the NBA, yet still a good player, not as good as a lot of his classmates)

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)

2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)

2005: Marvin Williams (Marvin Williams over Deron and CP3)

2004: Emeka Okafor (Magic almost picked him over Dwight)

2003: Darko Milicic (Haha)

2002: Jay Williams (If only Houston would of let Yao Ming slide to the Bulls with the 2nd Pick)


Funny how Portland could of had Aldridge and Durant if they would of played it safe the following draft also.
Bump.
Next year either Wiggins or Jabari. This year Bennett.

[Myth]

Oden only became a "potential" guy after his knee surgery. Before that, he was considered a sure thing.

[LosBulls]

Oden only became a "potential" guy after his knee surgery. Before that, he was considered a sure thing.
Everybody is a "potential" guy, just some have more than others. In Oden's case he had the most potential out of everybody else.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Everyone in the draft is a potential guy

[LosBulls]

Everyone in the draft is a potential guy
This.

[Dengness9]

Before the motorcycle accident, I remember this from Jay Will's rookie season....


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2002/11/09/bulls_nets_ap/

He struggled at first but by the end of his rookie season he was looking special...

That was a rough time for Bulls fans/org that summer.

[LosBulls]

Before the motorcycle accident, I remember this from Jay Will's rookie season....


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2002/11/09/bulls_nets_ap/

He struggled at first but by the end of his rookie season he was looking special...

That was a rough time for Bulls fans/org that summer.
Should of picked Amare.

[CJ Mustard]

Nobody is established coming out of college. There have been plenty of players who were thought of as "sure things" who ended up being busts.

[Dengness9]

Should of picked Yao Ming.


what do you mean? Yao went #1 Jay #2.

[LosBulls]

Nobody is established coming out of college. There have been plenty of players who were thought of as "sure things" who ended up being busts.
My point is that every year either the 1st or 2nd pick is a bust. Always.

[LosBulls]

what do you mean? Yao went #1 Jay #2.
My bad i meant Amare.

[poido123]

Fine, we don't have the proof of how he'd fare in those same situation, I get your point. We cannot tell.

Still, he's a 7 footer with a sweet jumper, good handling and drive.
Give me a good defensive center, and an elite guard, and I think you can build a contender.

How come I have never seen your username, or seen you post, yet you have over 5 thousand posts and lots of rep?

:biggums:

If you've change your username, I've wanted to do that for ages...

[Dro]

How come I have never seen your username, or seen you post, yet you have over 5 thousand posts and lots of rep?

:biggums:

If you've change your username, I've wanted to do that for ages...
Good point...In other news...I read through 3 pages of this thread before I realized it was old...I didn't notice until I saw the post about Barg's being a first option...I was like he's a first option this year?:facepalm

[noob cake]

Bump.
Next year either Wiggins or Jabari. This year Bennett.

This is an interesting thread.

Potential = Green
More NBA Ready = Red
Better Player = Bold

2002: Yao/Williams
2003: LeBron/Darko
2004: Howard/Okafor
2005: Bogut/Williams
2006: Bargnani/Aldridge
2007: Oden/Durant
2008: Rose/Beasley
2009: Griffin/Thabeet
2010: Wall/Turner
2011: Irving/Williams
2012: Davis/MKG

Potential:
More NBA Ready:

[noob cake]

Bump.
Next year either Wiggins or Jabari. This year Bennett.

This is an interesting thread.

Potential = Green
More NBA Ready = Red
Better Player = Bold

2002: Yao/Williams
2003: LeBron/Darko
2004: Howard/Okafor
2005: Bogut/Williams
2006: Bargnani/Aldridge
2007: Oden/Durant
2008: Rose/Beasley
2009: Griffin/Thabeet
2010: Wall/Turner
2011: Irving/Williams
2012: Davis/MKG

Potential: 8
More NBA Ready: 3

1st pick: 9
2nd pick: 2

Based on this, Cavs' decision to choose Bennett is likely to be right. He is the only one in the last draft with superstar potential.

[LosBulls]

This is an interesting thread.

Potential = Green
More NBA Ready = Red
Better Player = Bold

2002: Yao/Williams
2003: LeBron/Darko
2004: Howard/Okafor
2005: Bogut/Williams
2006: Bargnani/Aldridge
2007: Oden/Durant
2008: Rose/Beasley
2009: Griffin/Thabeet
2010: Wall/Turner
2011: Irving/Williams
2012: Davis/MKG

Potential: 8
More NBA Ready: 3

1st pick: 9
2nd pick: 2

Based on this, Cavs' decision to choose Bennett is likely to be right. He is the only one in the last draft with superstar potential.
Bennett will be a bust and Oladipo will be a very good player in the NBA.

[LosBulls]

I bump this thread every year before the draft.

My prediction is that if the Cavs pick either Embiid or Wiggins at #1 (and they will) whoever they pick, will be a bust. Bucks will surely pick Jabari at #2 and i'm 100% sure Jabari will be the best player in this draft.

[moe94]

I bump this thread every year before the draft.

My prediction is that if the Cavs pick either Embiid or Wiggins at #1 (and they will) whoever they pick, will be a bust. Bucks will surely pick Jabari at #2 and i'm 100% sure Jabari will be the best player in this draft.

Because of patterns that aren't even there. :oldlol:

[LosBulls]

Because of patterns that aren't even there. :oldlol:
:coleman:

[LosBulls]

Has anybody noticed that for who knows how long, we have had players who haven't lived up to expectations between the #1 and #2 Picks?

I'm starting to believe it isn't a coincidence. It Isn't. Teams simply LOVE to take risks and go for the guy they think has the most potential over the already established one, and end up paying for it. The #1 and #2 ALWAYS,ALWAYS, come down to Potential Vs Established.

If enough GMs knew this, we would have these soft ass euro players (Sorry Pekovic) being drafted where they belong. And it's not their fault, it's the dumb ass GMs who draft them and continue to not only play them, but pay them 10s of millions of dollars by taking a RISK again thinking they will come through.

This right here I like to call, The Kwame Choice.

I'll explain this post by taking you through the last decade of drafts:

2011 Draft: Derrick Williams (Hes good, but he hasn't lived up to the hype being benched behind a former second pick Michael Beasley)

2010 Draft: Evan Turner (Hes been getting minutes, but also hasn't lived up to the hype)

2009: Hasheem Thabeet (Nuff said, couple D-League trips)

2008: Michael Beasley (Once pinned to be one of the best PFs in the NBA, yet still a good player, not as good as a lot of his classmates)

2007: Kevin Durant* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Greg Oden over the best choice again)

2006: LaMarcus Aldridge* (The 1st Pick goes to the "potential" guy Andrea Bargnani)

2005: Marvin Williams (Marvin Williams over Deron and CP3)

2004: Emeka Okafor (Magic almost picked him over Dwight)

2003: Darko Milicic (Haha)

2002: Jay Williams (If only Houston would of let Yao Ming slide to the Bulls with the 2nd Pick)


Funny how Portland could of had Aldridge and Durant if they would of played it safe the following draft also.


Bump

2012 - MKG
2013- Bennett (#1)