Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'neal, LeBron James

[kennethgriffin]

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[bmulls]

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[Fatstogie]

? leborn has a long way to go and IMO to assume hes not gonna get a ring is dumb.

[bwink23]

The general dismay Kobe fanboys have for Lebron is alarming....what ever happened to respecting the games best players?? I guarantee that Jordan fans didn't have this much hate for Bird, Magic, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, etc. and vice versa....


GROW UP KIDS...these are your generations GOAT players....show your respect for the game and their talents.

[kennethgriffin]

? leborn has a long way to go and IMO to assume hes not gonna get a ring is dumb.

:roll:

what?

where have you been over the last decade?


The general dismay Kobe fanboys have for Lebron is alarming....what ever happened to respecting the games best players?? I guarantee that Jordan fans didn't have this much hate for Bird, Magic, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, etc. and vice versa....


GROW UP KIDS...these are your generations GOAT players....show your respect for the game and their talents.

lol everyone hates lebron. not just kobe fans brah

he hasnt accomplished 1/10th the amount he needs to be mentiond in the same sentance as those other guys. yet every day you hear him being compared with them

its annoying to us fans of real legends

[bwink23]

:roll:

what?

where have you been over the last decade?


It takes time to build a winning team....you forgot Lebron was a 19-year old franchise player on a lottery team, unlike Kobe came to a team with Shaq that won 56 and 61 games in his first 2 seasons in a limited role....PERSPECTIVE LITTLE ONE.


I credit Lebron for sticking it out there for 7 years....Kobe was threatening trades after just 3 seasons, while publicly throwing teammates under the bus.....you must have a short memory dude.


Magic Johnson lost 4 times in the Finals with a stacked team, and no one is gonna piss in his Cheerios for it.


Lebron has TIME on his side, and a championship-caliber team to boot.....HATE ON THAT

[bwink23]

:roll:

what?

where have you been over the last decade?



lol everyone hates lebron. not just kobe fans brah

he hasnt accomplished 1/10th the amount he needs to be mentiond in the same sentance as those other guys. yet every day you hear him being compared with them

its annoying to us fans of real legends



BULLSHIT....:hammerhead:

[donald_trump]

its alarming how scared these kobe fanboys are of lebron.

the guy hasnt even won yet and they're already in full fear mode. wait til he gets one ring.

[RRR3]

its alarming how scared these kobe fanboys are of lebron.

the guy hasnt even won yet and they're already in full fear mode. wait til he gets one ring.
:applause: :applause:

[bwink23]

its alarming how scared these kobe fanboys are of lebron.

the guy hasnt even won yet and they're already in full fear mode. wait til he gets one ring.


It takes one great Finals series to bust the doors down...it's like Larry Bird said (REAL LEGEND KENNY GRIFFIN DUMB ASS), you can't be as good as Lebron and NOT win....


Your right, these kids are in PARANORMAL ACTIVITY MODE.:cry:

[bwink23]

its alarming how scared these kobe fanboys are of lebron.

the guy hasnt even won yet and they're already in full fear mode. wait til he gets one ring.


Lebron is putting up numbers year after year never before seen in the modern era of basketball...(aside from Peak Michael Jordan). Even Kobe said he want to play next to Lebron more than anyone, and even said he had "genious numbers".


I'm sure Kobe tards about crapped their pants on that one.

[kennethgriffin]

BULLSHIT....:hammerhead:


lmfao are you insane?

lebron is the most annoying player in nba history

king james?

chosen 1 tattoo?

check my $tats?

take my tallents to south beach?

ring chasing with wade and bosh?

choking every playoffs and saying "im a winner"?

his fans with "Per > Rings"?


and then theres all his ignorant tweets LOL

refusing to pay for anything like bday cakes

saying he will win the dunk contest every other year then never entering it because hes "afraid of losing"

hiding his dumb hairline like george costanza LOL



should i go on?


stat padding assists

passing up game winners because hes afraid

then the other day "oh its my fault for everything eh. people always blaming me! if their milk is bad its my fault! boo hoo"


should i go on?


jesus christ... the man is a trainwreck.. it never ends with him. he never stops failing in every single aspect

:roll:

[LakersReign]

its alarming how scared these kobe fanboys are of lebron.

the guy hasnt even won yet and they're already in full fear mode. wait til he gets one ring.

Somebody needs to tell you morons you suck at reverse psychology. The real problem is y'all just hate to hear the truth about the supposed "chosen one" who hauled a** to Miami to try to win a title after all you clowns said "rings don't matter."



Nice try:applause:

[kennethgriffin]

Somebody needs to tell you morons you suck at reverse psychology. The real problem is y'all just hate to hear the truth about the supposed "chosen one" who hauled a** to Miami to try to win a title after all you clowns said "rings don't matter."



Nice try:applause:

its true

kind of lebron and his fans in a nutshell

they all say rings dont matter. but lebrons a ring chaser LOL

[LakersReign]

its true

kind of lebron and his fans in a nutshell

they all say rings dont matter. but lebrons a ring chaser LOL


One of the stupidest things I've ever heard.:roll:

[Lebron23]

Please don't respond to their post. I couldn't even read their useless posts since I put these clowns on my ignore lists. The moderators are gonna lock this thread BTW.

PS:

How old are these trolls? You guys starts needs to act like a responsible adult. ISH >>>> other International basketball forums.

[Heavincent]

You guys starts needs to act like a responsible adult.

And you need to obtain the grammar and basic English skills of a responsible adult.

[bwink23]

lmfao are you insane?

lebron is the most annoying player in nba history

king james?

chosen 1 tattoo?

check my $tats?

take my tallents to south beach?

ring chasing with wade and bosh?

choking every playoffs and saying "im a winner"?

his fans with "Per > Rings"?


and then theres all his ignorant tweets LOL

refusing to pay for anything like bday cakes

saying he will win the dunk contest every other year then never entering it because hes "afraid of losing"

hiding his dumb hairline like george costanza LOL



should i go on?


stat padding assists

passing up game winners because hes afraid

then the other day "oh its my fault for everything eh. people always blaming me! if their milk is bad its my fault! boo hoo"


should i go on?


jesus christ... the man is a trainwreck.. it never ends with him. he never stops failing in every single aspect

:roll:


WEAK SAUCE KID.....in a recent poll in the last couple of days, Kobe is right there with Lebron as the most hated athlete in basketball....you got a SHORT-MEMORY dude....


1. Kobe was an arrogant, pompous kid when he entered the league. He was NOT well-received, don't let his All-Star nomination fool you.

2. Kobe has a long history of turbulence amongst his team.....Phil Jackson called him "uncoachable", and was pushing for a trade of Kobe for Jason Kidd.

3. The Shaq-fued speaks for itself.

4. Kobe has suffered some terrible defeats in the playoffs....off the top of my head, he bowed out in a 30+point blowout to Boston, and threw in the towel against Phoenix, that saw him intentionally pull back his shooting when they needed it the most....he also blew a 3-1 series lead to that Suns team. Also see last year Mavs series...

5. Before the "No-bitching" rule was instituted....Kobe was well known as being one the game's greatest crybabies, often electing to get in a pissing match with the ref and not get back on defense..

6. Let's not forget the "flailing arm" incidences where he would purposely over-exaggerate his follow-thru, and smack dudes in the face.....Manu, Raja Bell were victims of this amongst others.

7. Kobe is the biggest offensive flopper i've ever seen...he would routinely go in the lane, fall all over the place yelling "HEY!!" with no contact trying to bait refs into calls so obvious a blind man could see.


8. The love for Kobe has only slightly increased over the last few years as his maturity improved with age...Lebron is doing the same as we speak.....


Put your HATE in the trash kid where it belongs....this is your generations best players, RESPECT THAT.

[LakersReign]

And you need to obtain the grammar and basic English skills of a responsible adult.


I won't even bother with that other jacka** cuz he's on the 32dayz plan. Say you're ignoring people's posts. But still turn right around and respond to them. Just CAN'T take hearing the truth about their boy Lebron, that's all it is really. Notice the b***hlike temper tantrum?!:oldlol:

[Lebron23]

And you need to obtain the grammar and basic English skills of a responsible adult.


You don't know $hit about basketball. You couldn't even speak a single word about my primary language even if you use a dictionary.

[kennethgriffin]

One of the stupidest things I've ever heard.:roll:

so you dont think lebrons a ring chaser?



so.... the heat won a championship without lebron

dwyane wade was the finals mvp

chris bosh signs with miami

lebron james might have gone to new york or chicago. but sees a chance at a sured finals by joining 2 other superstars

sure enough. he was the third wheel... jumping on in the last minute in true ring chasing fashion

goes to the finals and was outscored by wade 30ppg to 17ppg LOL


i'm sorry but this is ring chasing.

[Lebron23]

Where do you live Kennethgriffin? How old are you?

[bwink23]

so you dont think lebrons a ring chaser?



so.... the heat won a championship without lebron

dwyane wade was the finals mvp

chris bosh signs with miami

lebron james might have gone to new york or chicago. but sees a chance at a sured finals by joining 2 other superstars

sure enough. he was the third wheel... jumping on in the last minute in true ring chasing fashion

goes to the finals and was outscored by wade 30ppg to 17ppg LOL


i'm sorry but this is ring chasing.



You don't think Kobe was ring chasing when he was pushing to get traded to L.A. and join Shaq??? His first ring he averaged 15.4ppg on 36.7%FG for peak's sake....:hammerhead:

[kennethgriffin]

Where do you live Kennethgriffin? How old are you?


ottawa. 27

[ThePointGuard11]

WEAK SAUCE KID.....in a recent poll in the last couple of days, Kobe is right there with Lebron as the most hated athlete in basketball....you got a SHORT-MEMORY dude....


1. Kobe was an arrogant, pompous kid when he entered the league. He was NOT well-received, don't let his All-Star nomination fool you.

2. Kobe has a long history of turbulence amongst his team.....Phil Jackson called him "uncoachable", and was pushing for a trade of Kobe for Jason Kidd.

3. The Shaq-fued speaks for itself.

4. Kobe has suffered some terrible defeats in the playoffs....off the top of my head, he bowed out in a 30+point blowout to Boston, and threw in the towel against Phoenix, that saw him intentionally pull back his shooting when they needed it the most....he also blew a 3-1 series lead to that Suns team. Also see last year Mavs series...

5. Before the "No-bitching" rule was instituted....Kobe was well known as being one the game's greatest crybabies, often electing to get in a pissing match with the ref and not get back on defense..

6. Let's not forget the "flailing arm" incidences where he would purposely over-exaggerate his follow-thru, and smack dudes in the face.....Manu, Raja Bell were victims of this amongst others.

7. Kobe is the biggest offensive flopper i've ever seen...he would routinely go in the lane, fall all over the place yelling "HEY!!" with no contact trying to bait refs into calls so obvious a blind man could see.


8. The love for Kobe has only slightly increased over the last few years as his maturity improved with age...Lebron is doing the same as we speak.....


Put your HATE in the trash kid where it belongs....this is your generations best players, RESPECT THAT.

You might want to add his trade request to that list as well. People have completely and totally forgotten about that. I thought he was going to cry on live radio...

[LakersReign]

so you dont think lebrons a ring chaser?



so.... the heat won a championship without lebron

dwyane wade was the finals mvp

chris bosh signs with miami

lebron james might have gone to new york or chicago. but sees a chance at a sured finals by joining 2 other superstars

sure enough. he was the third wheel... jumping on in the last minute in true ring chasing fashion

goes to the finals and was outscored by wade 30ppg to 17ppg LOL


i'm sorry but this is ring chasing.

I know he's a ring chaser, that's not even debatable. What I was referring to was the hilariously stupid logic of saying rings don't matter(while chanting Cavs championship), but then the only explanation they have for Lebron leaving Cleveland for Miami to go try and win rings is that the Cavs sucked.:roll:

[Heavincent]

You don't know $hit about basketball. You couldn't even speak a single word about my primary language even if you use a dictionary.

mad

[kennethgriffin]

You don't think Kobe was ring chasing when he was pushing to get traded to L.A. and join Shaq??? His first ring he averaged 15.4ppg on 36.7%FG for peak's sake....:hammerhead:


ummm no because he was demanding a trade to chicago who at the time was garbage and had no one who won a title on the team..

and their only good player was luol deng who would have been traded to LA had kobe gone

lol his first ring his finals average dipped due to an injury in the 1st quarter when he had like 0 or 2 points

gtfo

and how is kobe winning with shaq ring chasing either? kobe was traded to LA a week before shaq signed there

[bwink23]

ottawa. 27



You have the mind of a 13-year old fanboy.....Kobe could have elected to stay in Charlotte and try to play hero, but he chose to be traded to L.A. to join Shaq and L.A.'s winning tradition....:facepalm

[Lebron23]

ottawa. 27


Do you have a good job? How many kids do you have?

[bwink23]

ummm no because he was demanding a trade to chicago who at the time was garbage and had no one who won a title on the team..

and their only good player was luol deng who would have been traded to LA had kobe gone

lol his first ring his finals average dipped due to an injury in the 1st quarter when he had like 0 or 2 points

gtfo

and how is kobe winning with shaq ring chasing either? kobe was traded to LA a week before shaq signed there




WTF are you talking about??? I'm talking about when Kobe was drafted to Charlotte in 1996 FOOL....he could have stopped that trade and elected to stay, but he didn't. He wanted to go to where he could WIN.
and how is kobe winning with shaq ring chasing either? kobe was traded to LA a week before shaq signed there[/QUOTE]


And Kobe still shot 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 in the last 2 games of the 2000 NBA Finals, and they STILL WON.....Lebon could NEVER, EVER get away with that on the Cavs....he couldn't even do it on the HEAT last year....



DUDE :hammerhead:

[kennethgriffin]

Do you have a good job? How many kids do you have?


lol what does it matter. whatever answer i give could be the truth or a lie and nobody would know or care

i can say i'm retired and have a hot gf but nobody would believe me anyway so why bother

why the personal interest anyway? you looking for some way to discredit me?

too bad lol... every non lebron fan of every culture and stature in society shares my opinion on the bum

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe fans are so mad that prime Lebron is better than any version of their hero. :oldlol:

[ThePointGuard11]

ummm no because he was demanding a trade to chicago who at the time was garbage and had no one who won a title on the team..

and their only good player was luol deng who would have been traded to LA had kobe gone

lol his first ring his finals average dipped due to an injury in the 1st quarter when he had like 0 or 2 points

gtfo

and how is kobe winning with shaq ring chasing either? kobe was traded to LA a week before shaq signed there

The Bulls won 49 games in 2006-2007.. so he was demanding a trade to a team that had just lost in the conference semifinals. The Bulls weren't garbage at the time and if he had been traded to Chicago, they probably would have had a much better record in 2007-2008 (the season that he requested the trade). The Bulls finished 33-49 that in 2007-2008 so if he would have requested a trade following that season, then your argument would be a lot more valid. Either way, both players wanted out based on the pressure/desire to win.

[chazzy]

The general dismay Kobe fanboys have for Lebron is alarming....what ever happened to respecting the games best players?? I guarantee that Jordan fans didn't have this much hate for Bird, Magic, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, etc. and vice versa....


GROW UP KIDS...these are your generations GOAT players....show your respect for the game and their talents.
Jordan stans like you and Blitz should heed the same advice

[Heavincent]

Kobe fans are so mad that prime Lebron is better than any version of their hero. :oldlol:

Wrong.

[kennethgriffin]

WTF are you talking about??? I'm talking about when Kobe was drafted to Charlotte in 1996 FOOL....he could have stopped that trade and elected to stay, but he didn't. He wanted to go to where he could WIN.
and how is kobe winning with shaq ring chasing either? kobe was traded to LA a week before shaq signed there


And Kobe still shot 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 in the last 2 games of the 2000 NBA Finals, and they STILL WON.....Lebon could NEVER, EVER get away with that on the Cavs....he couldn't even do it on the HEAT last year....



DUDE :hammerhead:


sometimes your team mates have to show up and help you.

like they did for lebron in last years finals. but lebron didnt find other ways to be effective when his shot wasnt falling

he got burned on defense vs dallas... kobe played great defense vs boston

no one was shooting well in that game. it was a defensive grind it out game. and kobe grabbed every rebound he could and had key a key shot. assists and free throws at the end...

lebron... he was lucky to even be noticed to be on the floor in the 4th q last finals

[LakersReign]

Jordan stans like you and Blitz should heed the same advice


I stopped responding to this bwink clown a while back. Their OBVIOUS hypocrisy is hilarious. Kobe's this and Kobe's that, but they don't hesitate to try to slide Lebron in next to Jordan. While claiming to NOT be Lebron fans. Their logic is as ret**ded as they are, and best left to morons like them to take on.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe fans are so mad that prime Lebron is better than any version of their hero. :oldlol:
According to what? PER?

Because if we go by PER, '06 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Regular Season and '09 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Playoffs

[Heavincent]

According to what? PER?

Lebron - 5 time PER champion

u mad?

In b4 Lebron stan corrects me on how many times Lebron has won the PER championship

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe fans are so mad that prime Lebron is better than any version of their hero. :oldlol:


all i know is... if lebron in his absolute prime still cant totally fend off old man kobe in his 16th season and still has polls asking "who would you rather have" or "who would bird rather play with" should tell you just how much better kobe was when he was prime.

i doubt kobe would have these questions and polls when jordan was with the wizards and kobe was entering his prime..

[bwink23]

Jordan stans like you and Blitz should heed the same advice


I have Kobe in the top 10 and 2nd greatest guard to ever play behind Jordan....i recognize his greatness and skills without a problem. You don't draw close comparisons to Jordan for no reason. He is a real ALL-TIME legend.

But i also have no problems with recognizing his faults, something you Kobe fanboys have serious issues with....to you idiots, it's always SOMEONE ELSE, be it Phil, the triangle, his teammates, the defense, his injuries, etc.


I never had beef with the GOAT players of my era, or try to discredit their legacy, unlike Kobe fanboys.

And my beef with Kobe is with his fanboys, who overrate him in respect to Michael. That's a mountain Kobe can't climb, yet his legion of idiots will continue to push for it, illogically and irrationally at that....

Do you respect Lebron's greatness or no??

[bwink23]

all i know is... if lebron in his absolute prime still cant totally fend off old man kobe in his 16th season and still has polls asking "who would you rather have" or "who would bird rather play with" should tell you just how much better kobe was when he was prime.

i doubt kobe would have these questions and polls when jordan was with the wizards and kobe was entering his prime..


Larry Bird also said Lebron is the best player in the league, and just needs to cement his greatness with a respectable Finals performance....apparently that short memory was kicking in when you missed Bird say Lebron's talents were unbelievable.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron - 5 time PER champion

u mad?

In b4 Lebron stan corrects me on how many times Lebron has won the PER championship
Yes :mad:

[kennethgriffin]

The Bulls won 49 games in 2006-2007.. so he was demanding a trade to a team that had just lost in the conference semifinals. The Bulls weren't garbage at the time and if he had been traded to Chicago, they probably would have had a much better record in 2007-2008 (the season that he requested the trade). The Bulls finished 33-49 that in 2007-2008 so if he would have requested a trade following that season, then your argument would be a lot more valid. Either way, both players wanted out based on the pressure/desire to win.


lol the bulls would have had to of dumped their best players just to get kobe...

ring chasing is when you add yourself to a team ( not swapped for their best players )

ring chasing is when you join a guy that had won a ring without you and is still good enough to win more ( ala drexler to houston, then payton and malone to LA and now lebron to miami )


ring chasing isnt.... "hey i wanna play in chicago ( a team that doesnt have anyone who won anything in their life and i would be left playing with nocioni, duhon, pj brown and tyrus thomas )


LOL keep reaching bum

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

According to what? PER?

Because if we go by PER, '06 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Regular Season and '09 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Playoffs

:blah :blah :blah

I use a bunch of metrics, PER being one of them. Main thing is watching the games though. He's a better defender/rebounder, more efficient scorer, and superior playmaker - has been since 2008.

[StateOfMind12]

According to what? PER?

Because if we go by PER, '06 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Regular Season and '09 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Playoffs
Do you actually think he believes a word he says? :oldlol: He just desperately wants attention especially from Kobe fans. Kobe fans to him are like little kids to pedo and it wouldn't surprise me if he is a real life pedo at the same time, lol. Ignore him, he is on my ignore list and things have been much better since.

[bwink23]

Yes :mad:


Let me know which Cavs team could win a championship with Lebron shooting 36.7%FG and 15.6ppg a game in a Finals series...he couldn't even do it with the Heat last year.

[kennethgriffin]

Larry Bird also said Lebron is the best player in the league, and just needs to cement his greatness with a respectable Finals performance....apparently that short memory was kicking in when you missed Bird say Lebron's talents were unbelievable.


lebron james probably is the best in the nba. regular season wise hes great... a stat master

gets those numbers... hes great


you act like us kobe fans are mad that this could be a possibility at this stage in kobes career

sh*t we're mostly amaized hes averaging 30 right now

that in itself is shocking in a 16th season

we're happy hes just in the convo

LOL and ring chasing isnt respectable no matter what lebron does in the finals... there will always be asterisks and question marks

sorry... lebron has to win one without another player whos arguably better than him on the biggest stage... kobe had to... so does lebron

[Deuce Bigalow]

Let me know which Cavs team could win a championship with Lebron shooting 36.7%FG and 15.6ppg a game in a Finals series...he couldn't even do it with the Heat last year.
tell me what did Kobe do to get that team in the finals (game 7 '00 WCF)
He led his team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Do you actually think he believes a word he says? :oldlol: He just desperately wants attention especially from Kobe fans. Kobe fans are like little kids to this pedo. Ignore him, he is on my ignore list and things have been much better since.

You are a strange one, RG. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

tell me what did Kobe do to get that team in the finals (game 7 '00 WCF)
He led his team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks


yea and i like how lebron fans ignore kobes other 4 rings lol

nobody says kobes 1st title was jaw dropping

he was good in the playoffs overall and had a few great games in the finals..

he was mainly responsible for them even getting their in the first place. mvp of game 7 wcf for sure

but still.. lebron fans need to get it through their head that kobe fans can brag because he proved that being a champion in 2000 wasnt a fluke by becoming a champion in 2001.. and 2002... and 2009... and 2010... all while averaging great playoff numbers and in some cases.. legendary finals numbers

[bwink23]

tell me what did Kobe do to get that team in the finals (game 7 '00 WCF)
He led his team in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks


And Lebron didn't do anything to get his team to the Finals ???


Could Lebron average 15 and 37%FG against the Spurs and win?

[bwink23]

lebron james probably is the best in the nba. regular season wise hes great... a stat master

gets those numbers... hes great


you act like us kobe fans are mad that this could be a possibility at this stage in kobes career

sh*t we're mostly amaized hes averaging 30 right now

that in itself is shocking in a 16th season

we're happy hes just in the convo

LOL and ring chasing isnt respectable no matter what lebron does in the finals... there will always be asterisks and question marks

sorry... lebron has to win one without another player whos arguably better than him on the biggest stage... kobe had to... so does lebron


You need to re-check Shaq's numbers vs. Kobe's in their first 3-chips together....ON THE BIGGEST STAGE...

Shaq dominated while Kobe did well in a supporting role.

[kennethgriffin]

And Lebron didn't do anything to get his team to the Finals ???


Could Lebron average 15 and 37%FG against the Spurs and win?


lol its only a season saving confrence finals when you end the season by winning


saving your team or being the best in a losing season doesnt really equal much

lebron should have atleast showed up for a game or 2 in the finals like kobe did in 2000

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

all i know is... if lebron in his absolute prime still cant totally fend off old man kobe in his 16th season and still has polls asking "who would you rather have" or "who would bird rather play with" should tell you just how much better kobe was when he was prime.

i doubt kobe would have these questions and polls when jordan was with the wizards and kobe was entering his prime..

Remind me who Kobe said he wanted to play alongside with yesterday?

[bwink23]

yea and i like how lebron fans ignore kobes other 4 rings lol

nobody says kobes 1st title was jaw dropping

he was good in the playoffs overall and had a few great games in the finals..

he was mainly responsible for them even getting their in the first place. mvp of game 7 wcf for sure

but still.. lebron fans need to get it through their head that kobe fans can brag because he proved that being a champion in 2000 wasnt a fluke by becoming a champion in 2001.. and 2002... and 2009... and 2010... all while averaging great playoff numbers and in some cases.. legendary finals numbers


Was not Lebron mainly responsible for getting his team to the Finals ??? :hammerhead:

[ThePointGuard11]

yea and i like how lebron fans ignore kobes other 4 rings lol

nobody says kobes 1st title was jaw dropping

he was good in the playoffs overall and had a few great games in the finals..

he was mainly responsible for them even getting their in the first place. mvp of game 7 wcf for sure

but still.. lebron fans need to get it through their head that kobe fans can brag because he proved that being a champion in 2000 wasnt a fluke by becoming a champion in 2001.. and 2002... and 2009... and 2010... all while averaging great playoff numbers and in some cases.. legendary finals numbers

:no:

[bwink23]

lol its only a season saving confrence finals when you end the season by winning


saving your team or being the best in a losing season doesnt really equal much

lebron should have atleast showed up for a game or 2 in the finals like kobe did in 2000


You didn't answer my question....Kobe didn't even have to show up, and the Lakers would have beat the 76ers...

Could Lebron average those numbers on his Cavs teams and still win????

[LoneyROY7]

So....then why did your idol Kobe Bryant say that LeBron was the player he'd most like to team up with?

[LakersReign]

According to what? PER?

Because if we go by PER, '06 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Regular Season and '09 Kobe is better than any version of Magic and Bird in the Playoffs


People who use PER as the sole basis of their so called "argument" are nothing but undercover bandwagon Lebron fan Kobe haters. Hollinger has said many times, not to use the formula as an absolute cuz it's flawed. But yet here come the morons with it anyway, so desperate to discredit Kobe. Then expect REASONABLE NBA fans to take them seriously:rolleyes:

[kennethgriffin]

:no:


lol 32ppg /8 assits /6reb isnt a legendary finals average?

[bwink23]

People who use PER as the sole basis of their so called "argument" are nothing but undercover bandwagon Lebron fan Kobe haters. Hollinger has said many times, not to use the formula as an absolute cuz it's flawed. But yet here come the morons with it anyway, so desperate to discredit Kobe. Then expect REASONABLE NBA fans to take them seriously:rolleyes:



You are by far the WORST POSTER on this board...you offer up no facts, show up for only Lebron debates, and literally say NOTHING of substance....and proceed with the :rolleyes: emoticon....

Calling Kobe fanboys reasonable fans, is ridiculous....your opinions are fueled by hate more than anyone. Your the pot calling the kettle black...


Stop breathing our usable air you weak-minded fool.

[kennethgriffin]

So....then why did your idol Kobe Bryant say that LeBron was the player he'd most like to team up with?


lebrons a great player

kobe could make him a champion

kobe said himself that they could play off each other well with kobe as the main scorer and lebron as a play maker


no kobe fan will tell you lebron isnt a great player. hes just a choker. kobe would make it easier on him

[LakersReign]

You are by far the WORST POSTER on this board...you offer up no facts, show up for only Lebron debates, and literally say NOTHING of substance....and proceed with the :rolleyes: emoticon....

Calling Kobe fanboys reasonable fans, is ridiculous....your opinions are fueled by hate more than anyone. Your the pot calling the kettle black...


Stop breathing our usable air you weak-minded fool.

The truth really does hurt....doesn't it?!:lol

Love it how he claims to be a Jordan fan, but uses PER, when Jordan didn't need PER to do the things he did. Proving he's really an undercover bandwagon Lebron fan PRETENDING to be a Jordan fan:roll:



EXPOSED(bwink23)!!!!:applause:

[bwink23]

lebrons a great player

kobe could make him a champion

kobe said himself that they could play off each other well with kobe as the main scorer and lebron as a play maker


no kobe fan will tell you lebron isnt a great player. hes just a choker. kobe would make it easier on him



I wonder how many times Lebron would be called a choker if he shot 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 in the final 2 games during the 2000 Finals?? :hammerhead:

[bwink23]

Struck a nerve(bwink23)^^:lol

Love it how he claims to be a Jordan fan, but uses PER, when Jordan didn't need PER to do the things he did. Proving he's really an undercover bandwagon Lebron fan PRETENDING to be a Jordan fan:roll:



EXPOSED(bwink23)!!!!:applause:


You still smoking that good shit imbecile....when have i EVER used PER??? Pull up any post of mine and see if i ever used PER.

Hey TROLL...check out my youtube channel, it's been up since 2006.....you wouldn't make a good detective, you don't have the mind for it TROLL....

I'm sensing about 10 more childish and irrelevant posts from you, followed by :rolleyes:

[kennethgriffin]

I wonder how many times Lebron would be called a choker if he shot 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 in the final 2 games during the 2000 Finals?? :hammerhead:

well the thing about great players with allot of success having a bad finals performance game is...they arnt looked at as chokers because chokers never win to offset the bad moments or make up for them

if lebron already had 5 rings before last year and choked the entire finals... i'm sure people would forgive him

like for instance... kobe also has 2 finals losses

vs detroit and vs boston

thing is... he won 5 out of 7

lebron lost 2 finals...

vs san antonio and dallas

but hes 0 for 2



see where i'm going with this?

[LakersReign]

You still smoking that good shit imbecile....when have i EVER used PER??? Pull up any post of mine and see if i ever used PER.

Hey TROLL...check out my youtube channel, it's been up since 2006.....you wouldn't make a good detective, you don't have the mind for it TROLL....

I'm sensing about 10 more childish and irrelevant posts from you, followed by :rolleyes:


So....you're(bwink23) ranting and rambling incoherently over my post(which was talking about people who ONLY use PER) cuz you have nothing better to do at the moment then....huh?!:rant



Nice try:applause:

[ThePointGuard11]

lol 32ppg /8 assits /6reb isnt a legendary finals average?

In the grand scheme of things compared to other finals performances, not really. For him, that's great.. I'm sure his FG% was below .500 as well because it always is, but you said "in some cases" (plural) which is completely false. It's just crazy to sit here and act like he's been GREAT in the finals when clearly we know that he hasn't. LeBron is even worse thus far in his career, but some of you guys on this board just overdo it when it comes to Kobe.

[bwink23]

So....you're(bwink23) blowing a gasket over my post(which was talking about people who ONLY use PER) cuz you have nothing better to do at the moment then....huh?!:rant



Nice try:applause:



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[kennethgriffin]

In the grand scheme of things compared to other finals performances, not really. For him, that's great.. I'm sure his FG% was below .500 as well because it always is, but you said "in some cases" (plural) which is completely false. It's just crazy to sit here and act like he's been GREAT in the finals when clearly we know that he hasn't. LeBron is even worse thus far in his career, but some of you guys on this board just overdo it when it comes to Kobe.



are you insane?

he won with pau gasol as his 2nd man ( who is barely top 100 all time and probably the 4th or 5th worst 2nd option in championship history

show me how many other finals mvps have averaged 32/8/6+


LOL

[TheMarkMadsen]

You didn't answer my question....Kobe didn't even have to show up, and the Lakers would have beat the 76ers...

Could Lebron average those numbers on his Cavs teams and still win????

2001 Finals vs the 76ers. 24.6 ppg 7.8 Rpg 5.8 Apg. 1.4 Spg 1.4 Bpg.

Didn't show up? :confusedshrug:

http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2000/nba_finals_stats.html

[bwink23]

2001 Finals vs the 76ers. 24.6 ppg 7.8 Rpg 5.8 Apg. 1.4 Spg 1.4 Bpg.

Didn't show up? :confusedshrug:


My bad, i meant the Pacers...


There is NO WAY IN HELL the Cavs can win it all with Lebron averaging under 16 points a game on 37%FG.....NOT GONNA HAPPEN

[kennethgriffin]

My bad, i meant the Pacers...


There is NO WAY IN HELL the Cavs can win it all with Lebron averaging under 16 points a game on 37%FG.....NOT GONNA HAPPEN


pretty sure kobe put his finger prints all over that 2000 final

he saved game 4.. the series would have went 7 games without that win... and anything can happen in a game 7..

not to mention kobe was a 1st team all defender at the time and the other team had jalen rose and reggie miller.

[TheMarkMadsen]

My bad, i meant the Pacers...


There is NO WAY IN HELL the Cavs can win it all with Lebron averaging under 16 points a game on 37%FG.....NOT GONNA HAPPEN


Admittingly Kobe only really had one "Great" game in the 2000 NBA finals.

However, he got hurt in game 2 only 9 minutes into the game, and didn't come back the rest of the game. And didn't play in game 3 either.

So those stats are from a pretty small sample size.

Game 4 of the finals Shaq fouled out, The Pacers were closing in on the Lakers that game and were about to even the series 2-2. However, Kobe put the game away late in the fourth.

Reggie Miller also had a combined 28 points in the first 2 games of the Finals, but exploded for 33 with Kobe out in game 3.

So lets not act like Kobe had nothing to do with them winning this series.

Clearly Shaq was the better player that series, but Kobe wasn't some scrub either.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/409046-the-first-championship-of-kobe-bryant

[bwink23]

Admittingly Kobe only really had one "Great" game in the 2000 NBA finals.

However, he got hurt in game 2 only 9 minutes into the game, and didn't come back the rest of the game. And didn't play in game 3 either.

So those stats are from a pretty small sample size.

Game 4 of the finals Shaq fouled out, The Pacers were closing in on the Lakers that game and were about to even the series 2-2. However, Kobe put the game away late in the fourth.

Reggie Miller also had a combined 28 points in the first 2 games of the Finals, but exploded for 33 with Kobe out in game 3.

So lets not act like Kobe had nothing to do with them winning this series.

Clearly Shaq was the better player that series, but Kobe wasn't some scrub either.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/409046-the-first-championship-of-kobe-bryant



REGARDLESS of any of your points....your missing THE BIG ONE....Lebron's Cavs COULD NOT WIN if he missed any games at all, and especially could not win shooting the way Kobe shot in the games he played in.....


Last 2 games of 2000 Finals = 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 for Kobe.

Lebron could never get away with that, on the Heat or the Cavs., PERIOD>

[TheMarkMadsen]

REGARDLESS of any of your points....your missing THE BIG ONE....Lebron's Cavs COULD NOT WIN if he missed any games at all, and especially could not win shooting the way Kobe shot in the games he played in.....


Last 2 games of 2000 Finals = 8 for 27 and 4 for 20 for Kobe.

Lebron could never get away with that, on the Heat or the Cavs., PERIOD>

For sure not the Cavs, there wasn't anybody else to carry the scoring load.

In all honestly though Lebron probably could go 8 for 27 with the Heat and still win that game in the Finals.

Wade won a Ring as the #1 option, so if Lebron isn't play up to par for a game or two its not impossible to think that Wade & Bosh could put together a couple W's

[bwink23]

For sure not the Cavs, there wasn't anybody else to carry the scoring load.

In all honestly though Lebron probably could go 8 for 27 with the Heat and still win that game in the Finals.

Wade won a Ring as the #1 option, so if Lebron isn't play up to par for a game or two its not impossible to think that Wade & Bosh could scrap together a couple W's


Don't EVER compare Wade as a first option to prime Shaq as a first option....NOT EVEN CLOSE.....end of thread Kobetard.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Don't EVER compare Wade as a first option to prime Shaq as a first option....NOT EVEN CLOSE.....end of thread Kobetard.

Uhm I didn't compare Wade to anybody? All i said was that Wade is capable of winning a ring as the number 1 option.

So when you have a Team of Lebron, Wade & Bosh, Either one of those guys could have an off game and still pull out the W aslong as the other two play well.

[ThePointGuard11]

are you insane?

he won with pau gasol as his 2nd man ( who is barely top 100 all time and probably the 4th or 5th worst 2nd option in championship history

show me how many other finals mvps have averaged 32/8/6+


LOL

Do you understand what you wrote? Kobe has played in the finals SEVEN times, you wrote "in some cases" as if dude has put up "legendary" numbers more than once (if those numbers are even legendary). Oh and it's 32.4 ppg, 7.4 apg & 5.6 rpg BUT .430 FG%, like I said it's by far his best finals performance, but I wouldn't consider that legendary. I understand scoring is his thing and 32.4 is one of the highest ppg averages but there are more impressive COMPLETE performances in NBA Finals history. Take a look for yourself...

http://www.nba.com/history/finalsmvps.html

Jordan in 1991, 1992, 1993, & 1997, Hakeem in 1995, Shaq from 2000 to 2002, Dwyane Wade in 2006, Bill Walton in 1977 & Larry Bird in 1984...great performance by Kobe but it wasn't anything that had not happened before.

On a side note, people really believe Kobe should have won a finals MVP during the 3-peat!? I'm not too fond of Shaq, but Shaq's numbers are insane LOL oh and now Pau Gasol is a subpar second option? Really!? LOL

[kennethgriffin]

Do you understand what you wrote? Kobe has played in the finals SEVEN times, you wrote "in some cases" as if dude has put up "legendary" numbers more than once (if those numbers are even legendary). Oh and it's 32.4 ppg, 7.4 apg & 5.6 rpg BUT .430 FG%, like I said it's by far his best finals performance, but I wouldn't consider that legendary. I understand scoring is his thing and 32.4 is one of the highest ppg averages but there are more impressive COMPLETE performances in NBA Finals history. Take a look for yourself...

http://www.nba.com/history/finalsmvps.html

Jordan in 1991, 1992, 1993, & 1997, Hakeem in 1995, Shaq from 2000 to 2002, Dwyane Wade in 2006, Bill Walton in 1977 & Larry Bird in 1984...great performance by Kobe but it wasn't anything that had not happened before.

On a side note, people really believe Kobe should have won a finals MVP during the 3-peat!? I'm not too fond of Shaq, but Shaq's numbers are insane LOL oh and now Pau Gasol is a subpar second option? Really!? LOL


as usual. unless kobe is the absolute best. hes the worst

lol so what if a few other guys had better finals

kobes had a legendary finals in 09

suck it

[ThePointGuard11]

as usual. unless kobe is the absolute best. hes the worst

lol so what if a few other guys had better finals

kobes had a legendary finals in 09

suck it

Not what I said at all, but of course you being the Stan that you are, you twist my words in a way that satisfies your argument. There are worse finals performances than his, but there are also better ones. Kobe undoubtedly deserved Finals MVP in '09 but that's about as far as it goes. That's another problem with you guys, even when a person compliments your GAWD you're too blind to notice, unless that compliment agrees with your opinion of him. Kobe fans & LeBron fans are equally as ridiculous on this board :oldlol: makes it hard to believe that any of you are over the age of 18.

[diamenz]

Soon. :coleman:

you're bad - lebron doesn't even know you. you're like one of those teenagers that idolize a celebrity and get mad when they're badmouthed.

http://www.corynnepero.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/CheckYourself_large.png

...and grow the f*** up.

[kennethgriffin]

Soon. :coleman:


agreed... those 3 steps will be back within a month

:cheers:


thanks for the bump

[scm5]

The general dismay Kobe fanboys have for Lebron is alarming....what ever happened to respecting the games best players?? I guarantee that Jordan fans didn't have this much hate for Bird, Magic, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, etc. and vice versa....


GROW UP KIDS...these are your generations GOAT players....show your respect for the game and their talents.

Kobe fan checking in and I definitely respect Lebron's game much more now than his Cleveland days.

Jordan fans may not have hate for Bird/Magic because during his career he was already considered better than them. Remember though, Jordan fanboys hate on Kobe and Lebron quite a bit because of their potential to overtake Jordan.

Remember back when Kobe was dropping 40/50 point games like nothing? How about when Kobe made the Finals and won 2 more rings in 3 years? Jordan fans were out in full force hating on Kobe and defending Jordan.

Now, you see a lot of Lebron threads with both Kobe and Jordan fanboys hating on Lebron.

The hate stems from the potential that it's possible the player will overtake him in the all-time standings. With MJ, no one has come close til Kobe/Lebron. Kobe was on his way to possibly winning more titles while also putting up similar numbers and having more impressive scoring outbursts. Lebron is putting up efficiency numbers that rival MJ's while winning titles and accolades.

[HurricaneKid]

Jordan fanboys hate on Kobe and Lebron quite a bit because of their potential to overtake Jordan.

Remember back when Kobe was dropping 40/50 point games like nothing? How about when Kobe made the Finals and won 2 more rings in 3 years? Jordan fans were out in full force hating on Kobe and defending Jordan.

Now, you see a lot of Lebron threads with both Kobe and Jordan fanboys hating on Lebron.

The hate stems from the potential that it's possible the player will overtake him in the all-time standings. With MJ, no one has come close til Kobe/Lebron. Kobe was on his way to possibly winning more titles while also putting up similar numbers and having more impressive scoring outbursts. Lebron is putting up efficiency numbers that rival MJ's while winning titles and accolades.

No. Just NO. Jordan has backed Kobe because there is no risk of anyone ever mistaking Kobe as being better than MJ. And frankly, given his puzzling disappearing acts no one really thinks LeBron can get there either.