Stern punishes Lakers FO for being amazing, true victims here are fans of basketball

[Nick Young]

Stern is basically punishing the Lakers because they have the best front office in the league and make shrewd business deals. He is rewarding horrible front offices like Cleveland's for example by caving in to the owners of badly run teams demands.

And through it all, the true victims here are basketball fans. We are robbed of seeing one of the greatest shooting guards of all time playing next to one of the greatest PGs ever. It would have been exciting intricate and beautiful basketball on a level perhaps never before seen. Not to mention Dwight Howard coming to the Lakers would bring a renewed interest in the league and draw in a ton of new viewers.

The basketball gods are frowning. Stern has robbed fans for no reason of witnessing one of the greatest teams ever formed

[Yung D-Will]

Stern is basically punishing the Lakers because they have the best front office in the league and make shrewd business deals. He is rewarding horrible front offices like Cleveland's for example by caving in to the owners of badly run teams demands.

And through it all, the true victims here are basketball fans. We are robbed of seeing one of the greatest shooting guards of all time playing next to one of the greatest PGs ever. It would have been exciting intricate and beautiful basketball on a level perhaps never before seen. Not to mention Dwight Howard coming to the Lakers would bring a renewed interest in the league and draw in a ton of new viewers.

The basketball gods are frowning. Stern has robbed fans for no reason of one of the greatest teams ever formed


I'll be straight up two months after the season I won't give a crap.

And two months after the season I wouldn't have watched the Laker super team.

Hell last year I watched more Jazz/Timberwolves/Wizards/Clippers/Spurs games individually than I watched the Miami super team, these teams aren't that interesting to me until playoff times.`

[Glide2keva]

Yeah because the league has blocked sooooo many Lakers moves over the years.

Shut up and quit yer bitchin'

[RRR3]

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:roll:

[PJR]

F*ck that. Stern saved the league, and an amateur GM from screwing a franchise.

[Nick Young]

Yeah because the league has blocked sooooo many Lakers moves over the years.

Shut up and quit yer bitchin'
Actually the league has not blocked any other trades over the years. They only team they have ever blocked has been the Lakers. So yes this is true

[RRR3]

http://www.northwestlongboarding.com/nwlb/images/forum/432Cry_Baby_Cry.JPG
Butthurt :roll: :roll:

[Glide2keva]

Actually the league has not blocked any other trades over the years. They only team they have ever blocked has been the Lakers. So yes this is true
Did they block the Lakers from getting Pau Gasol for a bag of Frito's and some M&M's?

No.

Did they veto Shaq signing and then allowing the Lakers to stack players around him an Kobe?

No.

Did they stop them from getting GP, Karl Malone, Shaq & Kobe all on the same team?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Kareem from the Bucks?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Wilt and pairing him with Jerry West?

No.

The first time your team isn't allowed to stack players and you guys are crying like you're the King from 2002.

GTFOH with that bullshit.

[RRR3]

Did they block the Lakers from getting Pau Gasol for a bag of Frito's and some M&M's?

No.

Did they veto Shaq signing and then allowing the Lakers to stack players around him an Kobe?

No.

Did they stop them from getting GP, Karl Malone, Shaq & Kobe all on the same team?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Kareem from the Bucks?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Wilt and pairing him with Jerry West?

No.

The first time your team isn't allowed to stack players and you guys are crying like you're the King from 2002.

GTFOH with that bullshit.
:applause: :applause: :applause: (repped)

[Glide2keva]

:applause: :applause: :applause: (repped)
I'm here all week.

[Doranku]

Did they block the Lakers from getting Pau Gasol for a bag of Frito's and some M&M's?

No.

Did they veto Shaq signing and then allowing the Lakers to stack players around him an Kobe?

No.

Did they stop them from getting GP, Karl Malone, Shaq & Kobe all on the same team?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Kareem from the Bucks?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Wilt and pairing him with Jerry West?

No.

The first time your team isn't allowed to stack players and you guys are crying like you're the King from 2002.

GTFOH with that bullshit.

What does any of this have to do with what has occurred in the CP3 situation?

[dreaming121]

Actually the league has not blocked any other trades over the years. They only team they have ever blocked has been the Lakers. So yes this is true

It was only with the Hornets trade, which the NBA has the right to block it since they own the Hornets!

[Glide2keva]

What does any of this have to do with what has occurred in the CP3 situation?
Read his response to me. What I said was relevant to that.

[NumberSix]

I thought Lakers fans were HUGE Dan Gilbert supporters. What changed?

[Glide2keva]

I thought Lakers fans were HUGE Dan Gilbert supporters. What changed?
Things didn't work out in their favor. That's what happened.

I'm loving this. lakers fans are crying because they aren't the prettiest girl in the room with the biggest tits anymore.

[PleezeBelieve]

Laker Fan is pathetic. Honestly, their fanbase is embarrassing.

[The Choken One]

The NBA is embarrassing.

NFL > NBA 10x.

[Doranku]

Laker Fan is pathetic. Honestly, their fanbase is embarrassing.

Says the former biggest Lebron stan on the forum who now hates him because he abandoned Cleveland. :facepalm

[JGXEN]

Things didn't work out in their favor. That's what happened.

I'm loving this. lakers fans are crying because they aren't the prettiest girl in the room with the biggest tits anymore.
+1.

[Nick Young]

Did they block the Lakers from getting Pau Gasol for a bag of Frito's and some M&M's?
You mean they traded him for Marc Gasol who is younger, tougher, a top 5 center in the L right now has potential to grow up to be better and has already won a playoff series, something Pau could never do before becoming a Laker?
Did they veto Shaq signing and then allowing the Lakers to stack players around him an Kobe?
Lakers had Kobe first idiot, they didn't 'stack kobe around shaq'. Why would Stern stop a free agent from signing somewhere?

Did they stop them from getting GP, Karl Malone, Shaq & Kobe all on the same team?

Why would stern have the right to stop free agents from signing wherever they want
Did they stop them from getting Kareem from the Bucks?
Stern wasnt commissioner back then, ass clown

Did they stop them from getting Wilt and pairing him with Jerry West?
Stern wasn't commissioner back then, ass clown

Do you think that because we have the best FO in sports that we should be punished and treated with disadvantages that no other teams in the league are?

[Hittin_Shots]

Breaking News: Owners can cancels trades involving their team.

[Nick Young]

I thought Lakers fans were HUGE Dan Gilbert supporters. What changed?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: why would we like that midwestern hick:roll: :roll:

[MastahX]

Do you think that because we have the best FO in sports that we should be punished and treated with disadvantages that no other teams in the league are?

Hardly. It's not had to build a team when the sponsorship opportunities can out pay the player's actual contract with the team. Lakers always have it much easier than other teams.

Just because another lopsided trade (cough, Gasol) didn't happen you go crying on the net.

I don't see how anyone could be a fan of the Lakers. Seriously embarrassing.

[Blue&Orange]

Breaking News: Owners can cancels trades involving their team.
:roll:

[Doranku]

Hardly. It's not had to build a team when the sponsorship opportunities can out pay the player's actual contract with the team. Lakers always have it much easier than other teams.

Just because another lopsided trade (cough, Gasol) didn't happen you go crying on the net.

I don't see how anyone could be a fan of the Lakers. Seriously embarrassing.

How is Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom for CP3 a lopsided trade? :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Things didn't work out in their favor. That's what happened.

I'm loving this. lakers fans are crying because they aren't the prettiest girl in the room with the biggest tits anymore.

You sound like you'd be a huge bitch IRL. Most of those "crying" Lakers fans would probably stomp you the fkk out.

Why are these fugazi losers so angry that a team and it's fanbase want to win? Jealously? I'm not even a Lakers fan and I find this shit pathetic. The only people I've seen cry here are the naysayers worried LA might be contenders again, real talk.

[Glide2keva]

Do you think that because we have the best FO in sports that we should be punished and treated with disadvantages that no other teams in the league are?You're dumb.

Like I said, the league hasn't stopped the lakers from doing anything over the years.

And that Gasol trade also involved Kwame Brown and no one knew what Marc Gasol would become, so yes, at the time it was a very lopsided trade in favor of the lakers.

You can't use hindsight and say it was a good trade.

[Glide2keva]

You sound like you'd be a huge bitch IRL. Most of those "crying" Lakers fans would probably stomp you the fkk out.Right, resort to the tried and true "when I don't have a real argument, just say 'I'll beat your ass' trick. Good job. Weren't you on the Bulls bandwagon when you thought they were getting lebron, then jumped ship to Miami?

Shut up man, seriously.


Why are these fugazi losers so angry that a team and it's fanbase want to win? Jealously? I'm not even a Lakers fan but the only people I've seen cry here are the naysayers worried LA might good again, real talk.

Real talk?

I have no problem with a team and it's fans wanting to win. That's what you watch for. There is a difference between building a team and cherry-picking stars via lopsided trades.

Free Agency is different.

The lakers always seem to fleece other teams and give them hardly nothing in return.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I have no problem with a team and it's fans wanting to win. That's what you watch for. There is a difference between building a team and cherry-picking stars via lopsided trades.

Free Agency is different.

The lakers always seem to fleece other teams and give them hardly nothing in return.

Who gives a shit? If other GM's are stupid enough to get swindled that's on them. Trading is part of the game, deal with it.

You and those other hillbillies are the only kids crying about it. Grow a pair.

[step_back]

Why do Laker fans feel entitled to these big name players? The team has had it easy over the years. It's a well deserved reality check.

[Hittin_Shots]

Who gives a shit? If other GM's are stupid enough to get swindled that's on them. Trading is part of the game, deal with it.

You and those other hillbillies are the only kids crying about it. Grow a pair.

Wait, are you saying the Lakers fans are hill billies or they're not crying about it? Because I'm sure your wrong in some way just don't know which yet.

[Oositdwn]

Why do Laker fans feel entitled to these big name players? The team has had it easy over the years. It's a well deserved reality check.
What do you expect when these fans have had decades of being spoilt and having things handed to them.

[Doranku]

Why do Laker fans feel entitled to these big name players? The team has had it easy over the years. It's a well deserved reality check.

I think LA fans just feel entitled to the same rights that other teams have.. such as making trades.

[Yung D-Will]

I think LA fans just feel entitled to the same rights that other teams have.. such as making trades.
Then they should be aware that making trades with a team owned by the leauge and 29 owners might now be a normal trade situation.

I agree shit went wrong but stop ****ing whining.

[Nash]

Actually the league has not blocked any other trades over the years. They only team they have ever blocked has been the Lakers. So yes this is true
Stop crying, Stern owns the ****in' Hornets. He can do whatever he wants and his goal is to raise the value of Hornets and by keeping CP3 in the team you'll get more money than having, I don't know, Luis Scola and K-Mart.

[Hittin_Shots]

I think LA fans just feel entitled to the same rights that other teams have.. such as making trades.

Who owns NO?

[The Choken One]

Why do Laker fans feel entitled to these big name players? The team has had it easy over the years. It's a well deserved reality check.
1.) If a real owner was in place CP3 would currently be a Laker.
2.) Feel entitled? No...but having the necessary pieces and the balls to rid yourself of a championship frontline sure does. But Stern decided that won't be the case.

[Duncan21formvp]

Stern is basically punishing the Lakers because they have the best front office in the league and make shrewd business deals. He is rewarding horrible front offices like Cleveland's for example by caving in to the owners of badly run teams demands.

And through it all, the true victims here are basketball fans. We are robbed of seeing one of the greatest shooting guards of all time playing next to one of the greatest PGs ever. It would have been exciting intricate and beautiful basketball on a level perhaps never before seen. Not to mention Dwight Howard coming to the Lakers would bring a renewed interest in the league and draw in a ton of new viewers.

The basketball gods are frowning. Stern has robbed fans for no reason of witnessing one of the greatest teams ever formed

I disagree, the Lakers are basically the only franchise who never has to rebuild and they were essentially going to be handed another 25 year old superstar for there star 2nd who is already in his 30's.

[brownmamba00]

I disagree, the Lakers are basically the only franchise who never has to rebuild and they were essentially going to be handed another 25 year old superstar for there star 2nd who is already in his 30's.
Is this illegal?:facepalm

[Nick Young]

You're dumb.

Like I said, the league hasn't stopped the lakers from doing anything over the years.

And that Gasol trade also involved Kwame Brown and no one knew what Marc Gasol would become, so yes, at the time it was a very lopsided trade in favor of the lakers.

You can't use hindsight and say it was a good trade.
YOU might not have known what Marc Gasol would become but basketball talent scouts who knew Marc Gasol was having an MVP year in Spain at the time as a 20 year old knew that he was basically a sure thing prospect.


Just because your ignorant ass assumed Marc Gasol was a scrub doesnt mean the rest of the league did:facepalm

[Kevin_Gamble]

Who owns NO?

What is the point of this question? Do you think 28 other owners can make decisions for the Hornets in order to help their own teams, at least without turning the NBA into a barnstorming tour? The commissioner can stop a trade if he suspects that there is something fishy going on. He can't stop a trade because some owners think it's a good trade for the Lakers.

[Hittin_Shots]

1.) If a real owner was in place CP3 would currently be a Laker.
2.) Feel entitled? No...but having the necessary pieces and the balls to rid yourself of a championship frontline sure does. But Stern decided that won't be the case.

There are people on here saying the trade was not that great, what if the real owner was someone with a similar opinion to them? The only difference may have been that he wouldn't have let it get as far as it did.

[Kevin_Gamble]

YOU might not have known what Marc Gasol would become but basketball talent scouts who knew Marc Gasol was having an MVP year in Spain at the time as a 20 year old knew that he was basically a sure thing prospect.


Just because your ignorant ass assumed Marc Gasol was a scrub doesnt mean the rest of the league did:facepalm

Is that why he was picked at the end of the 2nd round?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wait, are you saying the Lakers fans are hill billies or they're not crying about it? Because I'm sure your wrong in some way just don't know which yet.

Most Lakers fans are pissed that it killed their team chemistry is what I'm hearing. Had the CP3 talks never been engaged they'd of been happy with the team they were rolling into training camp with regardless.

Disgruntled Odom - check
Disgruntled Pau - Check
Traded Odom for nothing - check

Being angry with what's happening isn't =/= crying a la kids who believed the Lakers were getting both Howard and CP3 and couldn't deal with it.

[step_back]

I think LA fans just feel entitled to the same rights that other teams have.. such as making trades.

Trades get rejected all the time. And you know full well that you have the same rights as any other team. You're just sour that it happened to your Lakers.

[Nick Young]

I disagree, the Lakers are basically the only franchise who never has to rebuild and they were essentially going to be handed another 25 year old superstar for there star 2nd who is already in his 30's.
We do rebuild, we just do it faster than other shit franchises because we have the best ownership and management in the league. And we should be punished for this why?

[Hittin_Shots]

What is the point of this question? Do you think 28 other owners can make decisions for the Hornets in order to help their own teams, at least without turning the NBA into a barnstorming tour? The commissioner can stop a trade if he suspects that there is something fishy going on. He can't stop a trade because some owners think it's a good trade for the Lakers.

So I see you're of the opinion an owner can't stop a trade, to each their own I guess.

[Hittin_Shots]

Most Lakers fans are pissed that it killed their team chemistry is what I'm hearing. Had the CP3 talks never been engaged they'd of been happy with the team they were rolling into training camp with regardless.

Disgruntled Odom - check
Disgruntled Pau - Check
Traded Odom for nothing - check

Being angry with what's happening isn't =/= crying a la kids who believed the Lakers were getting both Howard and CP3.

So in other words they're crying just like the others but you just don't want to say they're because they're doing it for a more valid reason?

[step_back]

1.) If a real owner was in place CP3 would currently be a Laker.
2.) Feel entitled? No...but having the necessary pieces and the balls to rid yourself of a championship frontline sure does. But Stern decided that won't be the case.

You're right! Any real owner would trade away one of the best young point guards in the league and it's leader for two 30 something year old players who play the same 4 spot.

Try thinking next time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So in other words they're crying just like the others but you just don't want to say they're because they're doing it for a more valid reason?

The Lakers fans aren't crying at all. They're pissed that their team is going to shit.

You and that other p*ssy are lumped into the category of irrational hate. The idea of Howard, Paul and Kobe being on the same team made you piss yourself, admit it.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

And through it all, the true victims here are basketball fans. We are robbed of seeing one of the greatest shooting guards of all time playing next to one of the greatest PGs ever. It would have been exciting intricate and beautiful basketball on a level perhaps never before seen. Not to mention Dwight Howard coming to the Lakers would bring a renewed interest in the league and draw in a ton of new viewers.

Jep. But nooo

[Kevin_Gamble]

You're right! Any real owner would trade away one of the best young point guards in the league and it's leader for two 30 something year old players who play the same 4 spot.

Try thinking next time.

To be honest, I don't think thinking gets you very far. You think any real owner would let CP3 just walk away for nothing, instead of trading for some good pieces who are also good trading chips?

[Hittin_Shots]

The Lakers fans aren't crying at all. They're pissed that their team is going to shit.

You and that other p*ssy are lumped into the category of irrational hate. The idea of Howard, Paul and Kobe being on the same team made you piss yourself, admit it.

Not really at all, I'm more intrigued by your irrational hate of me and the other poster. I mean they are clearly doing just as much whining if not more about topics you've mentioned, yet you don't seem to see that.

I don't see a Lakers slump going for very long if one does occur anyway, I also wouldn't have minded if the trade had went through. But there do seem to be reasons why a *owner* may not have accepted the trade and in these circumstances that is what Stern is.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not really at all, I'm more intrigued by your irrational hate of me and the other poster. I mean they are clearly doing just as much whining if not more about topics you've mentioned, yet you don't seem to see that.

But, they're not. It's irrational to think that.

Kblaze, one of the best posters here, and a Bulls fan..has basically asked what I have. If you have assets that other GM's want and will pull the trigger on, whats the problem?

I fail to see how Lakers fans have been whining. Going by your logic, most of the media are in the fetal position.

[step_back]

To be honest, I don't think thinking gets you very far. You think any real owner would let CP3 just walk away for nothing, instead of trading for some good pieces who are also good trading chips?

It's Chris Paul. The guy is one of the most sought out players at his posistion. Like I said you can get much better deals than two 30+ year old players. One of which is a 6th man.

As long as the Hornets have Chris Paul on the trading block other teams will try to put together a deal for him. It's simple.

[EMERE]

Yeah like people would be interested on watching a Nets/Raptors team:oldlol: totally irrelevant, but Stern just cheated the Lakers on having one of the best teams ever, he cheated many NBA fans, you would've witnessed a franchise that would elevate so much that no one would dare stopping them..

[Kevin_Gamble]

It's Chris Paul. The guy is one of the most sought out players at his posistion. Like I said you can get much better deals than two 30+ year old players. One of which is a 6th man.

As long as the Hornets have Chris Paul on the trading block other teams will try to put together a deal for him. It's simple.

You do realize that Chris Paul has been on the trading block for a year, right?

[2010splash]

What Stern did was outrageous. He is complete scum. You can't nix a deal when all the GMs of the teams have agreed to it. If you don't want LA to form their next dream team, then your GM should not trade with them in the first place.

The deal was agreed to, it was done, Paul was a Laker... and then Stern pulls off one of the most disgusting acts ever.

Fact - had this happened to any team but the Lakers, everyone would be calling for Stern's head.

*Now waits for the "league owns the Hornets! They can do whatever they want!!! argument*

[Nash]

What Stern did was outrageous. He is complete scum. You can't nix a deal when all the GMs of the teams have agreed to it. If you don't want LA to form their next dream team, then your GM should not trade with them in the first place.

The deal was agreed to, it was done, Paul was a Laker... and then Stern pulls off one of the most disgusting acts ever.

Fact - had this happened to any team but the Lakers, everyone would be calling for Stern's head.

*Now waits for the "league owns the Hornets! They can do whatever they want!!! argument*
Why? Stern wants to sell The Hornets. CP3 in New Orleans = Higher value CP3 in LA for Scola and K-Mart = Less money

[longtime lurker]

Of course the Lakers are being punished for having a good management, if this was any other team except the Heat or Knicks offering the exact same package Stern wouldn't have vetoed the trade. What makes it even more ridiculous is that Chris Paul will head to the Lakers in the offseason for an even worse return.

[step_back]

You do realize that Chris Paul has been on the trading block for a year, right?

It doesn't matter. Last year some teams exceeded expectation and some under achieved. New York, Miami, OKC, Clippers, Utah, Magic, Portland are all teams that are thin at the 1 spot and could greatly benefit from having Paul. They can also put together better packages than the Lakers.

It's inevitable Paul will go this year. The Hornets don't need to jump at the first serious offer they get.

[Glide2keva]

YOU might not have known what Marc Gasol would become but basketball talent scouts who knew Marc Gasol was having an MVP year in Spain at the time as a 20 year old knew that he was basically a sure thing prospect.


Just because your ignorant ass assumed Marc Gasol was a scrub doesnt mean the rest of the league did:facepalm
Dude, you can't even use the word your correctly and I'm ignorant?

MVP year in Spain is in now way comparable to being a star in the NBA. Come off it dude.

[brownmamba00]

Why? Stern wants to sell The Hornets. CP3 in New Orleans = Higher value CP3 in LA for Scola and K-Mart = Less money
Euhm you do know CP3 is leaving next summer. I mean you know that right?

[Glide2keva]

The Lakers fans aren't crying at all. They're pissed that their team is going to shit.

You and that other p*ssy are lumped into the category of irrational hate. The idea of Howard, Paul and Kobe being on the same team made you piss yourself, admit it.
Don't you have a bandwagon to look for to jump on? Or are you content in Miami?

[Nick Young]

Is that why he was picked at the end of the 2nd round?
another great move by the Lakers front office:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Dude, you can't even use the word your correctly and I'm ignorant?

MVP year in Spain is in now way comparable to being a star in the NBA. Come off it dude.
Casual NBA fans like you thought Marc would be a scrub. People who scout basketball talent for a living knew differently.

It keeps helping your point though to pretend that Pau Gasol was traded to us for nothing, even though it's not true at all.

And yeh when we drafted Marc he was chubby and slow footed: after being drafted though he shed weight hit the weight room and started playing like Spanish league MVP. What a shrewd move we got him

[Glide2keva]

Casual NBA fans like you thought Marc would be a scrub. People who scout basketball talent for a living knew differently.

It keeps helping your point though to pretend that Pau Gasol was traded to us for nothing, even though it's not true at all.

And yeh when we drafted Marc he was chubby and slow footed: after being drafted though he shed weight hit the weight room and started playing like Spanish league MVP. What a shrewd move we got him
you're an NBA scout now?

Okay, but like I said that trade also involved Kwame Brown who is a scrub, and Gasol who WAS a scrub.

[ballup]

What people don't get is that Stern did this in order to prevent the future retraction of the Hornets and to wait to see if the FO can make them seem like a better investment for potential buyers. Scola, Odom, Martin, and Dragic aren't very big names who can fill seats. They can play and are good assets, but in a couple of years, they will more or less degrade both talent wise and value wise. Maybe they can trade the first 3 for some young prospects, but either way, not going to be crowd/potential owner drawers.

It's not right for Stern to do this because it's an unfair decision that blocks competition, but it's a move that he believes will prevent further losses from incurring. You sometimes have to make those decisions in business.

[Kevin_Gamble]

What people don't get is that Stern did this in order to prevent the future retraction of the Hornets and to wait to see if the FO can make them seem like a better investment for potential buyers. Scola, Odom, Martin, and Dragic aren't very big names who can fill seats. They can play and are good assets, but in a couple of years, they will more or less degrade both talent wise and value wise. Maybe they can trade the first 3 for some young prospects, but either way, not going to be crowd/potential owner drawers.

It's not right for Stern to do this because it's an unfair decision that blocks competition, but it's a move that he believes will prevent further losses from incurring. You sometimes have to make those decisions in business.

NOLA is one of the worst drawing teams with Chris Paul. Who do you think they can get that will help them fill the seats better than Chris Paul?

[Nick Young]

you're an NBA scout now?

Okay, but like I said that trade also involved Kwame Brown who is a scrub, and Gasol who WAS a scrub.
Kwame Brown was also a 10 million dollar expiring contract you idiot, and Javaris Crittenton AT THE TIME still had potential.

Stop trying to rewrite history. Grizzlies wanted to rebuild, they traded for a big expiring contract and prospects and draft picks, one of the prospects is now their starting center and with Kwame coming off the books they had enough money to sign Zach Randolphand their rebuild seems to be finished. It wasn't a bad trade ass clown, deal with it

[Nick Young]

What people don't get is that Stern did this in order to prevent the future retraction of the Hornets and to wait to see if the FO can make them seem like a better investment for potential buyers. Scola, Odom, Martin, and Dragic aren't very big names who can fill seats. They can play and are good assets, but in a couple of years, they will more or less degrade both talent wise and value wise. Maybe they can trade the first 3 for some young prospects, but either way, not going to be crowd/potential owner drawers.

It's not right for Stern to do this because it's an unfair decision that blocks competition, but it's a move that he believes will prevent further losses from incurring. You sometimes have to make those decisions in business.
They could have usedScola Odom and Martin to trade later tosome shitty team for some lottery picks:confusedshrug:

[OldSchoolBBall]

How is the Laker FO "amazing" or "shrewd" when they have done and offered absolutely nothing more than any other team would? The only difference is that they are LA and players want to play there - let's not act like there's any acumen involved on the front office's part.

[ballup]

They could have usedScola Odom and Martin to trade later tosome shitty team for some lottery picks:confusedshrug:
Do you honestly think potential buyers want to buy a franchise that's selling tag is "we have 3 lottery picks in the next draft and lots of cap room"?

And keep in mind this is the New Orleans Hornets. It may not be Charlotte, but New Orleans isn't a very popular place for free agents.

[Kevin_Gamble]

Do you honestly think potential buyers want to buy a franchise that's selling tag is "we have 3 lottery picks in the next draft and lots of cap room"?

And keep in mind this is the New Orleans Hornets. It may not be Charlotte, but New Orleans isn't a very popular place for free agents.

How is 3 lottery picks and lots of cap room not better than 1 lottery pick and lots of cap room?

[ballup]

How is 3 lottery picks and lots of cap room not better than 1 lottery pick and lots of cap room?
When have I mentioned that?

[Glide2keva]

Kwame Brown was also a 10 million dollar expiring contract you idiot, and Javaris Crittenton AT THE TIME still had potential.Just stop! Who cares about his contract, dude was a scrub, a bust, and Crittenton? Dude is in prison right now. Yeah, he had great potential.


Stop trying to rewrite history. Grizzlies wanted to rebuild, they traded for a big expiring contract and prospects and draft picks, one of the prospects is now their starting center and with Kwame coming off the books they had enough money to sign Zach Randolph and their rebuild seems to be finished. It wasn't a bad trade ass clown, deal with it

At the time, it was a bad trade. It looked better as the years went on, but at the time, you couldn't find ONE person to think it was a good trade. If you say you can, you're lying.

That trade made LA immediately better while allowing the lakers to dump scrub players and giving Memphis "potential" players.

[B]

What does any of this have to do with what has occurred in the CP3 situation?Nothing

[32jazz]

you're an NBA scout now?

Okay, but like I said that trade also involved Kwame Brown who is a scrub, and Gasol who WAS a scrub.

The trade was for Kwame's $10 million dollar expiring contract knucklehead and not Kwame. What is it that idiots like you not understand about that?

$10 million dollars freed up to sign either Gay or Randolph or both.

So Jerry West made a bad trade for an unproven scrub out of High School(Kobe) for a proven NBA big man(Divac)? At least Marc Gasol was proven against grown men and not kids like Kobe.

That was a brilliant move(Kobe) by West and it is obvious that the Grizzlies made out very,very well in the Pau trade.

Move on dude. The Grizzlies made an excellent move

[Nick Young]

Just stop! Who cares about his contract, dude was a scrub, a bust, and Crittenton? Dude is in prison right now. Yeah, he had great potential.



What do you mean just stop? Don't you know how rebuilding works? Grizzlies didn't want to get a good player in return for Gasol, they didnt want another allstar player, because THEY WANTED TO SUCK AND GET A BAD RECORD. They weren't going to make the playoffs anyways so instead of getting a 9 or 10th seed they wanted to suck as much as possible to give them a better chance of getting a high lottery pick! Kwame Brown starting is perfect for a team that wants to suck!

And then the best part is, after helping them suck for a year Kwame comes off the books and suddenly not only do the Grizzlies have a lottery pick but they also have all this capspace which gives them flexibility to sign talented veterans or give their studs like Rudy Gay better contracts. On Top of that they got 4 years of Lakers draft picks. On top of that they got two young prospects, Javaris Crittenton who failed to pan out and Marc Gasol who panned out perfectly.

It was actually a really good trade for the Grizzlies, just look at their roster now, they are stacked and IMO genuine contenders if Rudy Gay continues to develop as a leader. You don't seem to understand how the rebuilding process works moron, who did you expect Grizzlies to trade Pau Gasol for? Another allstar? Then they would just be in the same situation they were WITH pau gasol, going nowhere and struggling for the 8 seed with a shitty roster. Man you are dumb:hammerhead:

[Hammertime]

The trade was for Kwame's $10 million dollar expiring contract knucklehead and not Kwame. What is it that idiots like you not understand about that?

$10 million dollars freed up to sign either Gay or Randolph or both.

So Jerry West made a bad trade for an unproven scrub out of High School(Kobe) for a proven NBA big man(Divac)? At least Marc Gasol was proven against grown men and not kids like Kobe.

That was a brilliant move(Kobe) by West and it is obvious that the Grizzlies made out very,very well in the Pau trade.

Move on dude. The Grizzlies made an excellent move

So, there was no team in the whole league other than the Lakers able to offer the Grizzlies an expiring contract and a couple of young prospects? No team at all? Out of the 28 other teams in the league? No one would've been willing to offer a decent pick for Gasol? Or a young player who had actually shown the ability to contribute?

[32jazz]

Kwame Brown was also a 10 million dollar expiring contract you idiot, and Javaris Crittenton AT THE TIME still had potential.

Stop trying to rewrite history. Grizzlies wanted to rebuild, they traded for a big expiring contract and prospects and draft picks, one of the prospects is now their starting center and with Kwame coming off the books they had enough money to sign Zach Randolphand their rebuild seems to be finished. It wasn't a bad trade ass clown, deal with it
:applause:

Don't know whether it's blind hate of the Lakers that won't allow some to accept that the Grizzlies did an excellent job in the Pau Gasol trade or just plain stubbornness.

It seems they hate to admit that a small market franchise like The Grizzlies can make wise long term decisions .

[Bob Cousy]

We'll get Howard.

[Nick Young]

So, there was no team in the whole league other than the Lakers able to offer the Grizzlies an expiring contract and a couple of young prospects? No team at all? Out of the 28 other teams in the league? No one would've been willing to offer a decent pick for Gasol? Or a young player who had actually shown the ability to contribute?
Marc Gasol was a key prospect in this trade, even though no one will acknowledge it. Marc Gasol had grown up in memphis and played highschool ball there, he was a local hero and West and the grizzlies FO were big on him, it turns out rightly so.

So no, no other team was able to offer the same level of prospects and expiring contract the lakers were. ALSO REMEMBER Pau only wanted to be traded to a contender, the other team at the time big on him was the Bulls but they had Ben gordon, Luol deng and not alot else.

[32jazz]

So, there was no team in the whole league other than the Lakers able to offer the Grizzlies an expiring contract and a couple of young prospects? No team at all? Out of the 28 other teams in the league? No one would've been willing to offer a decent pick for Gasol? Or a young player who had actually shown the ability to contribute?



Well obviously they didn't. Why would the Grizzlies go out of their way to help the Lakers? League conspiracy:rolleyes: It's obvious the League is not trying to do the Lakers any favors.

Pau Gasol is up for trade again so let's see all these great offers available for him. Sure the jazz has some pieces to deal for him right?

All the freaking teams who whine about Pau Gasol going to L.A. can make an offer right? But they won't because people were wary of a soft big man with a huuuuuge contract.

Kobe was putting huge pressure on the Lakers(they even entertained the idea of trading him) and they took that contract on.

[DMAVS41]

Really hope the Lakers get Howard. This has been a ****ing joke. The NBA should be ashamed this happened.

I honestly still can't believe it.

[chazzy]

Really hope the Lakers get Howard. This has been a ****ing joke. The NBA should be ashamed this happened.

I honestly still can't believe it.
Went from getting CP3 and then possibly Dwight, to just losing Odom.. while also hurting team chemistry. Horrible turn of events.

[DMAVS41]

Went from getting CP3 and then possibly Dwight, to just losing Odom.. while also hurting team chemistry. Horrible turn of events.

Its just so pathetic. I posted it earlier, but apparently the Wolves were ready to make an offer to the Hornets for Martin once they got him. Adelman really wants Martin back apparently.

That trade was so great for the Hornets. They could have flipped Odom and Martin within days and probably got at least 2 first round picks and some young talent and cash.

That would have put them back under the tax as well and they would have ended up looking great.

They then could have either kept Scola (on his great contract)...or traded him as well and gotten even younger and more picks.

Its an absolute ****ing joke that the trade was blocked. I'm livid and I'm not even a Lakers fan.

[Droid101]

At the time, it was a bad trade. It looked better as the years went on, but at the time, you couldn't find ONE person to think it was a good trade. If you say you can, you're lying.

You're an idiot. At the time is was a good trade for both teams. One team got assets to win now. The other team got assets to build for the future.

Notice, the "build for the future" team just outlasted the Lakers in the playoffs.

[32jazz]

You're an idiot. At the time is was a good trade for both teams. One team got assets to win now. The other team got assets to build for the future.

Notice, the "build for the future" team just outlasted the Lakers in the playoffs.

Exactly and the Lakers struggled in rd 1 with the Hornets and got swept in rd 2 and are desperately in rebuild or at least re load mode.

The Lakers are busting up the band after 4 seasons while the Grizzlies appear to be hitting their stride(forbidding any bad luck) and all thanks to a fine trade with the Lakers.

[LA_Showtime]

This season had so much potential, and now it seems as though everyone will just fixate on Stern's trade veto. Great job, David.

[heyhey]

Went from getting CP3 and then possibly Dwight, to just losing Odom.. while also hurting team chemistry. Horrible turn of events.
unless we get Howard in the last minute for all intents and purposes the season's done for the lakers

http://s1-04.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/469767901.jpg

this photo summarizes everything, Kobe and a whole squad of scrubs led by a ni99a that couldn't even hack in Cleveland.

Stern is cold blooded

[MastahX]

We do rebuild, we just do it faster than other shit franchises because we have the best ownership and management in the league. And we should be punished for this why?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Glide2keva]

You're an idiot. At the time is was a good trade for both teams. One team got assets to win now. The other team got assets to build for the future.As I said before, you couldn't find one person during that time that would say that was a good trade for the Grizzlies. Yes, it turned out great for them, but at the time it sucked and MEM got raped hard.


Notice, the "build for the future" team just outlasted the Lakers in the playoffs.

Well the Lakers got their two titles and 3 finals appearances out of it and Memphis got 1 WCF trip.

yeah it worked out great.

[HB40TheNextStar]

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[D-Rose]

As a Lakers fan, I'm not thinking of this whole issue as Stern's agenda against LA. I think the issue lies in the the fact that a team is owned by the league and there is a conflict of interest here. Not to mention the NO front office has no power and is virtually meaningless. Stern will look very bad if CP3 is traded elsewhere and it's approved, because the deal NO got in this package was pretty damn good.

[32jazz]

As I said before, you couldn't find one person during that time that would say that was a good trade for the Grizzlies. Yes, it turned out great for them, but at the time it sucked and MEM got raped hard.



Well the Lakers got their two titles and 3 finals appearances out of it and Memphis got 1 WCF trip.

yeah it worked out great.

You make absolutely no damn sense. You admit it was a great trade for the Grizzlies, but then turn around and say they got "raped'(which is offensive):facepalm

This "at the time" garbage is Bs. I can bring up hundreds of transactions that seemed bad to those who think they know more than the people who are hired to make decisions.

There is a reason people like you foolishly talk smack on a message board while other are paid millions to do it.

Most times with young unproven talent it's just hit or miss.

I see no one(outside Lakers fans) whining about the Lamar Odom trade to Dallas?

Just imagine if the Lakers had pick up the reigning sixth man of the year for a 2nd rd pick and trade exemption after they won it all from a team they swept out the playoffs.:confusedshrug:

Idiots like you would be whining for years how the Lakers had robbed someone of a player and conspiracy theories to perpetuate Lakers dominance?:rolleyes:

[Yung D-Will]

As a Lakers fan, I'm not thinking of this whole issue as Stern's agenda against LA. I think the issue lies in the the fact that a team is owned by the league and there is a conflict of interest here. Not to mention the NO front office has no power and is virtually meaningless. Stern will look very bad if CP3 is traded elsewhere and it's approved, because the deal NO got in this package was pretty damn good.
This.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Did they block the Lakers from getting Pau Gasol for a bag of Frito's and some M&M's?

No.

Did they veto Shaq signing and then allowing the Lakers to stack players around him an Kobe?

No.

Did they stop them from getting GP, Karl Malone, Shaq & Kobe all on the same team?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Kareem from the Bucks?

No.

Did they stop them from getting Wilt and pairing him with Jerry West?

No.

The first time your team isn't allowed to stack players and you guys are crying like you're the King from 2002.

GTFOH with that bullshit.


Are you really that ignorant?

For one, the lakers DRAFTED MARC GASOL who was then included in the trade for Pau.
But hey i guess thats just a bag of m&m's right? Since when did a bag of

m&m's cost you a 50 million dollar contract extension?

Second, the Lakers traded a proven center who was one of the best centers in the leauge at that time for an unproven, 17 year high school player who had tons of potential.

It wasn't a gurantee that Kobe would become what he did. And please tell me who the Lakers "stacked" around Shaq & Kobe?

D Fish? (drafted), Robert Horry? Rick Fox? Brian Shaw? All good ROLE players, not anything out of this world.

It seems that with your logic the NBA should stop any basketball team from improving themselves? So i guess the Lakers should be punished for being smart? NO.

You my friend, are illogical

[Scholar]

Are you really that ignorant?

For one, the lakers DRAFTED MARC GASOL who was then included in the trade for Pau.
But hey i guess thats just a bag of m&m's right? Since when did a bag of

m&m's cost you a 50 million dollar contract extension?

Second, the Lakers traded a proven center who was one of the best centers in the leauge at that time for an unproven, 17 year high school player who had tons of potential.

It wasn't a gurantee that Kobe would become what he did. And please tell me who the Lakers "stacked" around Shaq & Kobe?

D Fish? (drafted), Robert Horry? Rick Fox? Brian Shaw? All good ROLE players, not anything out of this world.

It seems that with your logic the NBA should stop any basketball team from improving themselves? So i guess the Lakers should be punished for being smart? NO.

You my friend, are illogical

If I hadn't used up all my rep over the past 24 hours, you, my friend, would be repped.