ISH's #17 Player of Alltime

[Deuce Bigalow]

#1: Michael Jordan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237455)
#2: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237815)
#3: Bill Russell (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=237918)
#4: Magic Johnson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238016)
#5: Wilt Chamberlain (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238103)
#6: Larry Bird (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238181)
#7: Shaquille O'Neal (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238203)
#8: Tim Duncan (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238309)
#9: Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238385)
#10: Kobe Bryant (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238486)
#11: Jerry West (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238569)
#12: Oscar Robertson (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238681)
#13: Moses Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238749)
#14: Julius Erving (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238814)
#15: Charles Barkley (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238859)
#16: Karl Malone (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=238954)

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ISH's #16 Player of Alltime - Karl Malone

http://astro.temple.edu/~tub66919/Pictures/Karl-Malone.jpg
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Candidates:
George Mikan
Bob Petitt
Elgin Baylor
John Havlicek
Isiah Thomas
Kevin Garnett
Rick Barry
David Robinson
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwyane Wade
Lebron James
Patrick Ewing
Scottie Pippen
John Stockton
Steve Nash
Elvin Hayes
Allen Iverson
Clyde Drexler
Bob Cousy
Jason Kidd
Pete Maravich
Gary Payton

[DevilsAssassin]

Kevin Garnett > Karl Malone

Kevin Garnett is my vote

[T-Time3]

gotta be Allen Iverson

[Smoke117]

David Robinson. The most underrated player of all time apparently.

[Legends66NBA7]

Funny picture, Rodman looks like he's patting Malone's junk.

[Richesly]

The man who beat Russell's dynasty.

Bob Pettit.

[chazzy]

KG

[Deuce Bigalow]

Funny picture, Rodman looks like he's patting Malone's junk.

:oldlol: I knew someone was going to mention that

[Smoke117]

allen iverson over david robinson jesus ****ing christ :facepalm Does anybody know ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL BUT maybe 6% OF YOU ON THIS ****ING GOD DAMN SITE!? JESUS ****ING CHRIST

[Legends66NBA7]

:oldlol: I knew someone was going to mention that

I know right, I was just scrolling down, I see Malone's signature dunk and then the bottom left corner, Rodman reaching... shocker ! I think these two spent too much time with each other...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RgdRvOYJzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9ee_Ecn5c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccJ8aRB8UiI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN2ffgG9ANM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdUT3GPlGwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9-KAo_G2zM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAAQV7S6eM

rodman91, eat you're heart bro :P..

[Legends66NBA7]

allen iverson over david robinson jesus ****ing christ :facepalm Does anybody know ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL BUT maybe 6% OF YOU ON THIS ****ING GOD DAMN SITE!? JESUS ****ING CHRIST

Relax man, this is not some "official" list. I don't agree with Iverson over Robinso either at all, but no need to take this too seriously. There's not much debate going to assume that.

[DaPerceive]

Dirk Nowitzki

[Smoke117]

Relax man, this is not some "official" list. I don't agree with Iverson over Robinso either at all, but no need to take this too seriously. There's not much debate going to assume that.


Anyone who knows anything about basketball or how this game is played or knows anything about either of these players or how they played their games, the positions they played and what they brought to the game...to even put Allen Iverson over David Robinson you either have to be a complete ****ing moron or frankly a stupid ass hood rat who grew up in the ghetto. I know how racist that sounds and I don't care because it's completely true. That's the only reason anyone could pick Allen Iverson over David Robinson UNLESS they actually know ****ing shit about basketball and how this game is played and what matters and what each of these players brought to their respective teams, period.

[Legends66NBA7]

Anyone who knows anything about basketball or how this game is played or knows anything about either of these players or how they played their games, the positions they played and what they brought to the game...to even put Allen Iverson over David Robinson you either have to be a complete ****ing moron or frankly a stupid ass hood rat who grew up in the ghetto. I know how racist that sounds and I don't care because it's completely true. That's the only reason anyone could pick Allen Iverson over David Robinson UNLESS they actually know ****ing shit about basketball and how this game is played and what matters and what each of these players brought to their respective teams, period.

I here you and agree with most of that rant, but you need to chill out man.

You can always make your own list and you might still not be satisfied. I am pretty sure most of the posters are young or just don't put too much time into critical thinking in to all-time rankings (it's hard as hell, I’ve tried it and gone and back and forth numerous times).

Hence why I am not participating in this thread made by the OP, in terms of giving out a name.

[SonOfMattGeiger]

will be severely disappointed if anyone other than baylor/mikan/hondo/pettit/maybe isiah wins this one.

my vote goes to ELGIN BAYLOR. one of the greatest players to never win a ring. top 3 sf of all time. scoring/rebounding machine during his prime. also, very important to the game of basketball when considering what he meant to his era, what he overcame and how he opened the door for others in the future. :cheers:

[FF1]

Dirk Nowitzki


No ways is Dirk worse than Malone AND Barkley AND KG. I can see a couple comparisons being close.. but Dirk is higher than the 5th best PF in NBA history. His playoff numbers are insane.. one of only 4 players that have 25/10 average in the playoffs (People say Dirk can't rebound. None of those other guys are in that list) and most importantly he rang as the #1 guy with no other all-stars on his team. In fact, Dirk almost never plays with another all star and continues to win 50+ games (11 years in a row) and has made 3 WCF playoff runs (2 final runs).

[MichaelCheazley]

David robinson i guess.

[OmniStrife]

Hondo.

[bballnoob1192]

EB elgin baylor

[coin24]

Pippen gets my vote:bowdown:

[Harison]

Garnett. Ring, MVP, DPOY.

[magnax1]

KG

[Asukal]

EDIT: I change my vote to Bob Pettit. :cheers:

[Collie]

John Havlicek.

[Sakkreth]

Dirk

[Fatal9]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zogbyp.jpg

[ballerz]

Kevin Garnett

[RobertdeMeijer]

John Havlicek

[scott0326]

Tyronn Lue

[L8kersfan222]

Dirk.

[Dragonyeuw]

David Robinson

[rmt]

David Robinson - a suped up version of KG - bigger, stronger and faster but able to guard the big centers.

[RRR3]

http://realsportsheroes.com/wp-content/uploads//2010/03/dr.jpg

[Rnbizzle]

SMH @ people voting for KG or Dirk. They have never been as good as Lebron, nor have they much more team success.

[creepingdeath]

SMH @ people voting for KG or Dirk. They have never been as good as Lebron, nor have they much more team success.
:banana:

U mad?

My vote goes to.. Dirk.

[CJ Mustard]

KG.

[pauk]

LEBRON JAMES

2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
1 x NBA scoring champion
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards

STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time)
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time and #3 in Playoffs, after Michael Jordan)


NBA achievements

One of eight players in NBA history to score 2,000 points seven consecutive seasons..[1] Includes Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan, Alex English, Karl Malone, Oscar Robertson, Dominique Wilkins.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 20 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists in their rookie season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, Tyreke Evans.

One of five players in NBA history to average over 25 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season (achieved this four times).[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this six times), John Havlicek (achieved this twice), Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan.

One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this five times) and Michael Jordan.

One of four player in NBA history to average at least 31 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists in a season.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson (achieved this twice), Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

One of two players in NBA history to average at least 27 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for six consecutive seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this eight consecutive times.

One of two players in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds and 500 assists in a season for at least six seasons.[1] Behind Oscar Robertson, who achieved this six times in his career.

One of four players in NBA history to average at least 25 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists for their career.[1] Includes Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Michael Jordan.

Only player in NBA history to average at least 26 points, 6 rebounds and 6 assists for their career.[1]
Only player in NBA history to post at least 2000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists and 100 steals in four straight seasons.[1]
One of three players in NBA history to average at least 30 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists in a postseason series.[2] Includes Oscar Robertson and Larry Bird.

One of three players in NBA history to record a triple-double in their playoff debut.[1] Includes Johnny McCarthy and Magic Johnson.

One of two players in NBA history to win the NBA Player of the Month Award four times for two consecutive seasons.[3] Tied with Kevin Garnett, who achieved the same in the 2003-04 NBA Season.

One of four players in NBA history to lead their team in all five major statistical categories (total points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals) in a season (2008

[Bernie Nips]

KG.

[Odinn]

David Robinson.

[Yung D-Will]

I gotta use the Pauk Method

KG
NBA Champion (2008)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2008)
14

[pauk]

[QUOTE=Yung D-Will]I gotta use the Pauk Method

KG
NBA Champion (2008)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2004)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2008)
14

[Yung D-Will]

That's not actually an offical vote.

Pretty sure It should go

Barkley-Malone-Rob-Kg-Dirk-Lebron

Or Lebron over Dirk

and then we get into the 20's where most of the pg's start coming up

[pauk]

SMH @ people voting for KG or Dirk. They have never been as good as Lebron, nor have they much more team success.

they know that.... but they hate lebron... they would rather see anybody else above him.... instead they act like only rings matter..... but even then their agenda is exposed..............

i mean.. take a look at this for example:

CHARLES BARKLEY

1 x MVP
1 x All-Star MVP
11 x NBA All-Star
5 x All-NBA 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
1 x Rebounds champion

STATS:

23757 points @ 22.1 PPG
12546 rebounds @ 11.7 RPG
4215 assists @ 3.9 APG
1648 steals @ 1.5 SPG
888 blocks @ 0.8 BPG

PER - 24.6 (#11 all-time)

LEBRON JAMES NBA CAREER

2 x MVP
2 x All-Star MVP
Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
5 x All-NBA 1st team
3 x All-Defensive 1st team
All-Rookie 1st team
1 x Gold Medal
17 x Player of the Month trophies (most in NBA history)
2 x Best NBA Player awards
1 x NBA scoring champion

STATS:

17362 points @ 27.7 PPG (#3 all time)
4451 rebounds @ 7.1 RPG
4364 assists @ 7.0 APG
1079 steals @ 1.7 SPG
532 blocks @ 0.8 BPG
40 total triple doubles

PER - 26.9 (#2 all-time, after only Michael Jordan)

and unlike Barkley... Lebron has also been much more significant of a talent, dominant player who has been the best player in the NBA... and has so much more milestones, records...

[L8kersfan222]

SMH @ people voting for KG or Dirk. They have never been as good as Lebron, nor have they much more team success.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ALVnmqbO54g/TfXbUa35H1I/AAAAAAAADbc/7WnJ6CoNHMw/s1600/dirk+champion.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MCXTuRtT7Gc/TfXyWiwCJbI/AAAAAAAAOas/A4q7puqf2SU/s1600/1307945768.jpg
weakness

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fEFTAfFhXoM/RlMCshWUbkI/AAAAAAAAABA/dm5-XPlBolE/s320/Lebron%2BSad.bmp
quitness

http://www.flypaperblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/lebron-james.png
failure

[raiderfan19]

Dirk

[Rolando]

Havlicek

[pauk]

Havlicek

sidekick... maybe the best one tho... arguably... because of Pippen

[SpecialQue]

George Fvckin

[D-Wade316]

[QUOTE=SpecialQue]George Fvckin

[SpecialQue]

Isn't their agenda obvious? I stopped voting in this ranking.

Who's agenda? The people voting in this thread? It's a fvcking crime that the leader of the first NBA dynasty (Mikan) and the only guy to stop Russell's Celtics in the finals (Pettit) are hardly getting any votes.

[Fazotronic]

Dirk Nowitzki

http://dfwsportshole.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/o_dirk_nowitzki_rookie.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who's agenda? The people voting in this thread? It's a fvcking crime that the leader of the first NBA dynasty (Mikan) and the only guy to stop Russell's Celtics in the finals (Pettit) are hardly getting any votes.

Mikan and Petitt need more votes

[Deuce Bigalow]

11 - Kevin Garnett
10 - Dirk Nowitzki
8 - David Robinson
4 - John Havlicek
3 - George Mikan
2 - Bob Petitt
2 - Elgin Baylor
2 - Isiah Thomas
1 - Allen Iverson
1 - Scottie Pippen
1 - Lebron James
1 - John Stockton
1 - Bob Cousy

Total - 47 votes

[bballnoob1192]

dude just stop.........

[bballnoob1192]

wow people surely are overrating the crap out of dirk and KG

[FF1]

Dirk > KG

[pauk]

wow people surely are overrating the crap out of dirk and KG

they just dont want lebron to be here... thats the thing...

hell... even the OP (Deuce Bigalow) is a major Lebron hater.... :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

they just dont want lebron to be here... thats the thing...

hell... even the OP (Deuce Bigalow) is a major Lebron hater....

:facepalm
:oldlol:

[pauk]

:facepalm
:oldlol:

dude u have bashed lebron to hell on ISH :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

dude u have bashed lebron to hell on ISH :lol

because fans like you piss me off :oldlol:

[pauk]

because fans like you piss me off :oldlol:

how did i piss you off? :eek:

[Deuce Bigalow]

how did i piss you off? :eek:

your like the Alphawolf of Lebron

[Yung D-Will]

wow people surely are overrating the crap out of dirk and KG
No. KG got overrated after 08 after that time his hype has died down and he's being rated pretty fairly

[DMAVS41]

wow people surely are overrating the crap out of dirk and KG

yes...because kg/robinson/baylor/pettit/hondo were without a doubt better than Dirk.

LOL

[SpecialQue]

yes...because kg/robinson/baylor/pettit/hondo were without a doubt better than Dirk.

LOL

Pretty much, except for KG.

[DMAVS41]

Pretty much, except for KG.

did you watch all of them? because robinson was absolutely not any better than dirk.

i doubt you saw baylor, hondo, pettit.....

[Mr Know It All]

Dirk Nowitzki

[SpecialQue]

did you watch all of them? because robinson was absolutely not any better than dirk.

i doubt you saw baylor, hondo, pettit.....

Did you watch a lot of Baylor, Hondo, and Pettit? If not, how can you say Dirk is absolutely better than any of them?

[Inception28]

Dirk Nowitzki

[qrich]

http://www.timesnewsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/John-Stockton.jpg

[DMAVS41]

Did you watch a lot of Baylor, Hondo, and Pettit? If not, how can you say Dirk is absolutely better than any of them?

I never said that. You did. I said its debatable from a career standpoint. And I would absolutely rank Dirk over Robinson.

You were the one that said they were all clearly better. I never made such claims and never would.

I just find it funny that people think its absurd or something to say Dirk was as good as Hondo....when I bet less than 1% of the people here actually saw him play.

Just funny to me.

[GOATofGOATS]

I vote for KG. :cheers:

[RRR3]

Before Dirk won his "magic ring" no one would have voted him over David Robinson. He's not better than the Admiral and he never will be. :facepalm

[Heavincent]

Before Dirk won his "magic ring" no one would have voted him over David Robinson. He's not better than the Admiral and he never will be. :facepalm

Well yeah, but then he won a ring, which pushed him up in the all-time rankings.

It's like saying "Nobody would think Jordan is the GOAT if he didn't have 6 rings!"

Not that hard of a concept to grasp.

[creepingdeath]

Before Dirk won his "magic ring" no one would have voted him over David Robinson. He's not better than the Admiral and he never will be. :facepalm
:blah
You know what DRob was called by many before Duncan came along? An underachiever, a choker... basically what a lot of people were saying about Dirk before this past postseason - that he could never win a championship on his own. Well, one did it, the other did not (win on his own).

[RRR3]

:blah
You know what DRob was called by many before Duncan came along? An underachiever, a choker... basically what a lot of people were saying about Dirk before this past postseason - that he could never win a championship on his own. Well, one did it, the other did not (win on his own).

You know what else one of them did and the other did not? Play defense. :lol And Robinson was an awesome defender. It's not like he couldn't score either, he won a scoring title iirc.

[creepingdeath]

You know what else one of them did and the other did not? Play defense. :lol And Robinson was an awesome defender. It's not like he couldn't score either, he won a scoring title iirc.
He was also the inferior playoff performer and fell shorter much more often than Dirk when it mattered.

[DMAVS41]

Before Dirk won his "magic ring" no one would have voted him over David Robinson. He's not better than the Admiral and he never will be. :facepalm

Only the uninformed. Before Robinson played with a top 8 player of all time....he was a huge playoff failure. LOL at the idea that Robinson is in another class as a basketball player...just a huge ****ing joke.

Funny how Dirk won that "magic ring" not even having a top 30 player on his team. Robinson had a top 8 player of all time....ROFL....

[KGMN]

Kevin Garnett

[DMAVS41]

You know what else one of them did and the other did not? Play defense. :lol And Robinson was an awesome defender. It's not like he couldn't score either, he won a scoring title iirc.

You know what else? Actually lead teams to wins in the playoffs. Close out games. Make huge plays. Robinson defined the term "empty stats" often in his playoff career.

[lpublic_enemyl]

DIRK perhaps garnett but the finals mvp so DIRK

[FF1]

Everyone is totally entitled to their opinion... but (rightfully) not many people are going to agree with the notion that Robinson was superior to Dirk. One was a legitimately unstoppable #1 option.. one won as a sidekick.

Both got embarrassed on the defensive end by a top-10 big man (Hakeem, Duncan). Other than that, Dirk hasn't really gotten punked by another PF.

One thing that really bugs me is that people admit that Dirk's O > KG's O but say that KG's D >>>>>> Dirk's D...... yet Dirk completely owned him when they faced up in the playoffs. Why didn't KG average 50? And don't give me that help D crap, unless you think Raef Lafrentz was owning KG. Why didn't KG shut Dirk down? Almost everyone admits that Dirk is playing his best ball now, but even back then he averaged 33/16 against KG's "amazing defense".

Another problem with KG was that he would get his points so his averages were respectable.. but he almost never carried a team down the stretch. "KG" and "hitting big shots" don't really go together.

It's funny.. Until Dirk won his ring, the haters said "ya.. ya.. He's clutch. He's amazing. But he can't win the big one, so until then we won't rank him up there". Now the hate is "you're only saying he's that good because he won a ring"..... That's the only thing you said was missing! YOU all are the ones who said the ring would make the difference.

But lets not pretend like people are hyping up Dirk because of this one year. Dirk's playoff numbers besides 07 (I admit Dirk had a HORRIBLE series) have always been incredible and better than KG/Robinson's numbers.

[Yung D-Will]

You can't really harp on Dirk's defense in this comparision because D-ROB Recieved A LOT MORE Criticism throughout his career especially for the playoffs

[FF1]

It's easy to say that Dirk's defense is bad (it was really bad when he first came in the league, but ever since Nellie left he has gotten consistently better each year)... but I've seen a lot of statistics that show that the team is much better defensively with him on the floor rather than off.

Besides Duncan, I can't really think of anyone that has punked him horribly.. and I can't think of anyone that has done it recently. Honestly, the Mavs have always been killed by guards.

[lakers_forever]

George Mikan.

[Jacks3]

Before Dirk won his "magic ring" no one would have voted him over David Robinson. He's not better than the Admiral and he never will be. :facepalm
You are correct! Dirk has become horribly overrated.

[FF1]

This message is hidden because Jacks3 is on your ignore list.

Sweet bliss.

[Bigsmoke]

Isiah Thomas

[DMAVS41]

It's easy to say that Dirk's defense is bad (it was really bad when he first came in the league, but ever since Nellie left he has gotten consistently better each year)... but I've seen a lot of statistics that show that the team is much better defensively with him on the floor rather than off.

Besides Duncan, I can't really think of anyone that has punked him horribly.. and I can't think of anyone that has done it recently. Honestly, the Mavs have always been killed by guards.

In fairness, Dirk's individual defense has always been good. His defensive rebounding has always been very good.

Where Dirk struggles is with rotations and help side and close outs....stuff like that. Rim protection as well. Dirk doesn't do much to protect the rim. Although he has gotten much better at stripping driving players and taking good hard fouls to prevent easy baskets. But we all know its been a weakness of his.....so when you say guards have killed the Mavs...its true, but some of that actually does fall on Dirk.

Having said that, why does everyone think a pf has to be defensive stopper? Its not like Dirk is the worst defender ever. He's average defensively. Maybe even better than average since 05. And he's always been a beast on the defensive glass. He just isn't a game changer defensively.

Its not like you need something incredibly special next to Dirk either to have a good defense. I love how everyone acts like Chandler is suddenly the best defender in the league. Hilarious.

I don't really care all that much if people say Hondo or Robinson were better than Dirk. I care when they say things like "easily" or "clearly".....or "not in the same class"

That just doesn't add up. Certainly not with Robinson. Certainly not with KG. The fact that anyone could have just watched the last 11 years of basketball and come to the conclusion that KG is "clearly" a better player than Dirk is just mind boggling to me. Nothing supports it. Nothing. Not stats. Not success. Nothing.

[jacobgoindum]

George Mikan is my vote

[Charlie Sheen]

zeke

[DMAVS41]

Everyone is totally entitled to their opinion... but (rightfully) not many people are going to agree with the notion that Robinson was superior to Dirk. One was a legitimately unstoppable #1 option.. one won as a sidekick.

Both got embarrassed on the defensive end by a top-10 big man (Hakeem, Duncan). Other than that, Dirk hasn't really gotten punked by another PF.

One thing that really bugs me is that people admit that Dirk's O > KG's O but say that KG's D >>>>>> Dirk's D...... yet Dirk completely owned him when they faced up in the playoffs. Why didn't KG average 50? And don't give me that help D crap, unless you think Raef Lafrentz was owning KG. Why didn't KG shut Dirk down? Almost everyone admits that Dirk is playing his best ball now, but even back then he averaged 33/16 against KG's "amazing defense".

Another problem with KG was that he would get his points so his averages were respectable.. but he almost never carried a team down the stretch. "KG" and "hitting big shots" don't really go together.

It's funny.. Until Dirk won his ring, the haters said "ya.. ya.. He's clutch. He's amazing. But he can't win the big one, so until then we won't rank him up there". Now the hate is "you're only saying he's that good because he won a ring"..... That's the only thing you said was missing! YOU all are the ones who said the ring would make the difference.

But lets not pretend like people are hyping up Dirk because of this one year. Dirk's playoff numbers besides 07 (I admit Dirk had a HORRIBLE series) have always been incredible and better than KG/Robinson's numbers.

Bingo. The reason for Dirk jumping up all time lists is that the only reason he wasn't in the top 20 already was because he didn't have a ring. Now that he does. He has everything to rank a player in the top 20. He's got some of the best playoff numbers ever. Some of the best regular season success and longevity ever. He's had a legendary playoff run. Clutch moments. 5-0 in game 7's. Arguably the best elimination game player of the last 30 years. He's never played less than 73 games in a full season. The list goes on and on....11 straight seasons over 50 wins even with a ton of turnover in players and coaches.

There is nothing left for him to do. He's even accomplished a ton overseas playing. Got Germany into the Olympics...etc.

Its one of the best careers we've ever seen. And it happens to belong to one of the best players ever that amassed all that above playing in an era with one of the toughest conferences ever with 3 top 10 players of all time in their primes. 2 of which (shaq/kobe) played on the same team. Always having less help than them all.

He's done a lot of special things. Really nothing left to say other than he's one of the 20 best players ever. Thats it.

[Jacks3]

No, he's not. I could easily name 20 players better at the game of basketball.

Easily. Dork=most overrated player ever.

[DMAVS41]

No, he's not. I could easily name 20 players better at the game of basketball.

Easily. Dork=most overrated player ever.

You can't easily do it because after about 15.....you'd start to struggle. Could you argue 20? Sure....And I could argue Dirk in the top 15.

Doesn't really matter to me.

Just great seeing Dirk get his due.

Oh, and why don't you post a list with Dirk outside the top 25 that has been done since the finals? I'll be waiting.....I've seen at least 5 lists with Dirk in the top 20 now. I guess they are all Dirk Stans....

[Miller for 3]

David Robinson

[Jailblazers7]

Bob Cousy

[DaPerceive]

Really? People are still responding to Jacks3?

I voted for Dirk but it doesn't seem right. I guess Dirk and Garnett are above Robinson career wise and in the all-time list but in their respective primes/peaks? Robinson is clearly ahead of those two.

[Jacks3]

Really? People are still responding to Jacks3?


why u sad tho?

[Lebron23]

David Robinson