Guess ESPNs Top 20 Player Rankings

[bagelred]

ESPN has been counting down the Top 500 players as ranked by a 91 person panel at ESPN. It's been painfully slow, but it is down to the Top 20.

From ESPN


ESPN.com and the TrueHoop Network are ranking every NBA player -- and counting them down on Twitter (@NBAonESPN), from No. 500 to No. 1. As the rankings are announced, you can also find them here on the pages of ESPN.com.

What is #NBArank?

#NBArank is the Twitter hashtag to use if you want to get involved in the discussion or just follow along.

You can also follow along here: @NBAonESPN

How did we rank the players?

We asked 91 experts to rate each player on a 0-to-10 scale, in terms of "the current quality of each player."

Here is the full list of voters from ESPN.com, the TrueHoop Network, TrueHoop TV, Daily Dime Live, ESPN TV, ESPN Radio, ESPN Deportes, espnW, ESPN The Magazine, ESPN Insider, ESPN Fantasy, ESPN Games, ESPN Dallas, ESPN Los Angeles, ESPN Chicago, ESPN New York, ESPN Stats & Information, ESPN Topics and ESPN Analytics.

So try to guess how their Top 20 will shakeout.

Their Top 20, in no particular order, will include:


Steve Nash
Kevin Love
Blake Griffin
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Zach Randolph
Russell Westbrook
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dirk Nowitzski
Amare Stoudemire
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Durant
Derrick Rose
Rajon Rondo
Manu Ginobli
Tim Duncan
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol
Kobe Bryant



Guess by 9:00 AM tomorrow morning, because after that they start revealing them.

[bagelred]

I'll Scratch my thread to the top.

[talkingconch]

dwight howard or lebron will probably be first

[ImmortalD24]

LeBron [ESPN's bread and butter] will obviously be #1.. not saying he doesn't deserve it though. He definitely does have a case.


Wade or Dirk will be two.

Dwight, Durant and perhaps Kobe to round out the top 6.

After that it's CP3, Amare, Melo..

Gasol might again make a top 10 list.. which IMO he doesn't deserve.

[TennesseeFan]

Steve Nash is all washed up

[DaPerceive]

Dirk will probably be #1. He did win that ESPY award for best NBA player.

These are the only players who are locks for the top 10

Dirk
Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Howard
Rose
CP3
Durant

The last two could be filled by anybody other than Rondo, Love, Ginobili, and Duncan.

[dbugz]

Dirk will probably be #1. He did win that ESPY award for best NBA player.

These are the only players who are locks for the top 10

Dirk
Kobe
Wade
Lebron
Howard
Rose
CP3
Durant

The last two could be filled by anybody other than Rondo, Love, Ginobili, and Duncan.

Put up Melo and Amare on your top 10 list and it will good as mine. :pimp:

[Ikill]

Lebron
Dirk
Rose
Kobe
Durant
Howard
Wade
CP3
Melo
Randolph

[brisbaneman]

Dirk should be #1 but I am pretty certain ESPN will list Lebron #1. What will really piss me off though is if Dwight Howard is put above Dirk and a few other guys who are better than him.

[Maneva]

Not what I agree with, but what I predict:

20)Tim Duncan
19)Manu Ginobli
18)Zach Randolph
17)Steve Nash
16)Rajon Rondo
15)Kevin Love
14)Pau Gasol
13)Russell Westbrook
12)Amare Stoudemire
11)Deron Williams
10)Carmelo Anthony
9)Blake Griffin
8 )Chris Paul
7)Kobe Bryant
6)Derrick Rose
5)Dwyane Wade
4)Kevin Durant
3)Lebron James
2)Dirk Nowitzski
1)Dwight Howard

[chains5000]

Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron
Lebron

[poltergeistas]

1) Lebron James
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Chris Paul
6) Dirk Nowitzki
7) Derrick Rose
8) Kevin Durant
9) Carmelo Anthony
10) Amare Stoudemire
11) Deron Williams
12) Russell Westbrook
13) Pau Gasol
14) Blake Griffin
15) Steve Nash
16) Rajon Rondo
17) Kevin Love
18) Manu Ginobli
19) Zach Randolph
20) Tim Duncan

something like that

[dbugz]

1) Lebron James
2) Dwyane Wade
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Dwight Howard
5) Chris Paul
6) Dirk Nowitzki
7) Derrick Rose
8) Kevin Durant
9) Carmelo Anthony
10) Amare Stoudemire
11) Deron Williams
12) Russell Westbrook
13) Pau Gasol
14) Blake Griffin
15) Steve Nash
16) Rajon Rondo
17) Kevin Love
18) Manu Ginobli
19) Zach Randolph
20) Tim Duncan

something like that



Tim Duncan over Paul Pierce?

I'm a Celtics fan but I think Rajon is on 18-20 spot.

And LeBron aint # 1 anymore. Give me Wade or Dwight over him.

[Odinn]

1. Dwight Howard
2. LeBron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Chris Paul
7. Kevin Durant
8. Derrick Rose
9. Amar'e Stoudemire
10. Carmelo Anthony
11. Deron Williams
12. Blake Griffin
13. Pau Gasol
14. Rajon Rondo
15. Steve Nash
16. Russell Westbrook
17. Zach Randolph
18. Kevin Love
19. Manu Ginobli
20. Tim Duncan

[dbugz]

Here's my top 10

Wade
Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
LeBron
Durant
Rose
Melo
CP3
Amare

[alenleomessi]

1. Lebron
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
10. Griffin
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck
dont give a f*ck

[knicksman]

1. dirk
2. howard
3. lebron
4. wade
5. durant
6. kobe
7. melo
8. amare
9. cp3
10.rose

[guy]

This isn't my list, but I'm going to guess this is ESPN's list:

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Dirk
5. Howard
6. Durant
7. Rose
8. CP3
9. Melo
10. Deron
11. Amare
12. Gasol
13. Nash
14. Ginobili
15. Randolph
16. Westbrook
17. Rondo
18. Duncan
19. Griffin
20. Love

[DaPerceive]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7094756/nba-player-rankings-16-20

19. Tim Duncan
20. Zach Randolph


I thought Zach proved who was better between him and Duncan in the playoffs. Oh well.

[bagelred]

16. Kevin Love
17. Rajon Rondo
18. Manu Ginobli
19. Tim Duncan
20. Zach Randolph

[donald_trump]

is there anyone that would take love over randolph? these lists are usually pretty terrible.

im guessing the top 5 will be:
1.lebron
2.dirk
3.kobe
4.howard
5.wade

edit: out of interest where did bosh rank? he's clearly better than a few guys on that list.

[RRR3]

is there anyone that would take love over randolph? these lists are usually pretty terrible.

im guessing the top 5 will be:
1.lebron
2.dirk
3.kobe
4.howard
5.wade

edit: out of interest where did bosh rank? he's clearly better than a few guys on that list.
Duncan is a worse choice. Obviously he's the GOAT PF, but he's a shell of his former self. TBH Z-Bo is better than all of those guys listed above him so far IMO.

[ImmortalD24]

LeBron [ESPN's bread and butter] will obviously be #1.. not saying he doesn't deserve it though. He definitely does have a case.


Wade or Dirk will be two.

Dwight, Durant and perhaps Kobe to round out the top 6.

After that it's CP3, Amare, Melo..

Gasol might again make a top 10 list.. which IMO he doesn't deserve.
I can't believe I forgot about Rose. :facepalm


I'd insert him around the 4-7 range.

[DaPerceive]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-111014/nba-#nbarank-11-15-debate

11-15 updated

11. Pau Gasol
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Amare Stoudemire
14. Steve Nash
15. Russell Westbrook.


I'm starting to think LeBron will end up #1 since the rankings are made up by a bunch of random 5 on 5 writers.


So far from 11-20

11. Pau Gasol
12. Carmelo Anthony
13. Amare Stoudemire
14. Steve Nash
15. Russell Westbrok
16. Kevin Love
17. Rajon Rondo
18. Manu Ginobli
19. Tim Duncan
20. Zach Randolph


the 10 players remaining,

Dwyane Wade
LeBron James
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant
Blake Griffin
Deron Williams

[iDunk]

Pau Gasol better than STAT and Melo? LOL

Griffin better than STAT and Melo? LOL

[DMAVS41]

Griffin way over-rated already.

[DevilsAssassin]

Pau Gasol better than STAT and Melo? LOL

Griffin better than STAT and Melo? LOL


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Miller for 3]

Griffin and Love getting way overrated. Duncan and Rondo too.

[Clippersfan86]

Haha. Griffin is a lock for top 10 and everyone here tries to argue he's not even top 15. Dude is 9-11 in my ranking so good for ESPN for seeing the truth. People saying he's overrated can suck a nut. You don't get overrated by putting up 22.5, 12 and 4 and being selected to the all star team as a rookie. The people that think he's overrated didn't watch him play enough.

Griffin is arguably top 5 in the league when it comes to all around stats as a fuc*ing ROOKIE. These guys are probably factoring in who they feel will be the best this year as well so it's not going to purely based on last seasons stats or team records.

[Clippersfan86]

Pau Gasol better than STAT and Melo? LOL

Griffin better than STAT and Melo? LOL

Yes. Pau Gasol is actually one of the most all around impactful players in the NBA. He's not nearly as one dimensional as STAT and Melo. Neither is Blake. Guess who Amare has a lot in common with on metric stat trends? Zach Randolph. Both players have the lowest win shares and impact on their teams when they are at their best individually. Amare had a great PER and numbers... but impacted his team very little most of the season.

Check this out on win shares between all players.

Dirk: 11.1
Gasol: 14.7
Griffin: 10
Amare: 8
Melo: 8

I'd agree at this point both Gasol and Dirk impact the game more than Griffin but Griffin DOES have Melo and Amare beat when it comes to all around impact. He also draws a hell of a lot more defensive attention than both of these one dimensional players.

[RRR3]

Haha. Griffin is a lock for top 10 and everyone here tries to argue he's not even top 15. Dude is 9-11 in my ranking so good for ESPN for seeing the truth. People saying he's overrated can suck a nut. You don't get overrated by putting up 22.5, 12 and 4 and being selected to the all star team as a rookie. The people that think he's overrated didn't watch him play enough.

Griffin is arguably top 5 in the league when it comes to all around stats as a fuc*ing ROOKIE. These guys are probably factoring in who they feel will be the best this year as well so it's not going to purely based on last seasons stats or team records.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln218qBRE11qk2ix2o1_400.gif

[Clippersfan86]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln218qBRE11qk2ix2o1_400.gif

Name 5 undisputed better players when it comes to all around stats. I bet you Griffin is comparable. I'm not saying Griffin is top 5 yet. I'm saying people saying this guy is not even top 15 or top 20 are smoking some good sh** because his stats are arguably top 5. Not to mention he's a freaking ROOKIE. Not an 8th year or 12th year vet like a lot of these top players.

Praise Griffin :applause:. Good job ESPN for recognizing the greatness.

[DevilsAssassin]

Haha. Griffin is a lock for top 10 and everyone here tries to argue he's not even top 15. Dude is 9-11 in my ranking so good for ESPN for seeing the truth. People saying he's overrated can suck a nut. You don't get overrated by putting up 22.5, 12 and 4 and being selected to the all star team as a rookie. The people that think he's overrated didn't watch him play enough.

Griffin is arguably top 5 in the league when it comes to all around stats as a fuc*ing ROOKIE. These guys are probably factoring in who they feel will be the best this year as well so it's not going to purely based on last seasons stats or team records.
http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1235644960_50_cent_does_not_approve.gif

[RRR3]

Name 5 undisputed better players when it comes to all around stats. I bet you Griffin is comparable. I'm not saying Griffin is top 5 yet. I'm saying people saying this guy is not even top 15 or top 20 are smoking some good sh** because his stats are arguably top 5. Not to mention he's a freaking ROOKIE. Not an 8th year or 12th year vet like a lot of these top players.

Praise Griffin :applause:. Good job ESPN for recognizing the greatness.

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant

That was easy. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Griffin? A top 10 player? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pauk]

LeBron [ESPN's bread and butter] will obviously be #1.. not saying he doesn't deserve it though. He definitely does have a case.


Wade or Dirk will be two.

Dwight, Durant and perhaps Kobe to round out the top 6.

After that it's CP3, Amare, Melo..

Gasol might again make a top 10 list.. which IMO he doesn't deserve.

damn and i thought they hated Lebron and that Kobe was their bread n butter? :eek:

[pauk]

based on overall performance last season it will be like this:

1. lebron
2. wade
3. dwight
4. nowitzki
5. durant
6. rose
7. carmelo
8. kobe
9. amare
10. chris paul
11. blake griffin
12. steve nash
13. deron williams
14. kevin love
15. rondo
16. westbrook
17. zach randolph
18. gasol
19. ginobili
20. duncan


after #10 its ridicilously hard to rank them correctly imo

[Clippersfan86]

LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Derrick Rose
Kevin Durant

That was easy. :oldlol:

Derrick Rose and Durant are arguable.


Blake Griffin: 22.5 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg, .8 spg, .5 bpg on 50+ percent shooting from the field. 16 field goal attempts a game.

Kevin Durant: 27.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1 spg, 1 bpg on 46 percent shooting from the field. 20 field goal attempts a game.

Derrick Rose: 25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 1 spg, .5 bpg on 44.5 percent shooting from the field. 20 field goal attempts a game.


So explain why Griffin statistically isn't in the discussion with these 2 guys? He also attempted less shots, had a lower usage rate than both AND played his first season while they played their 3rd and 4th seasons. Griffin is NOT a top 5 player yet. His stats which are arguably top 5 though put him in the top 10 for ESPN obviously and it's not wrong for them to feel that way because I agree. I have Griffin between 9 and 11.

[RRR3]

Derrick Rose and Durant are arguable.


Blake Griffin: 22.5 ppg, 12 rpg, 4 apg, .8 spg, .5 bpg on 50+ percent shooting from the field. 16 field goal attempts a game.

Kevin Durant: 27.7 ppg, 7 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1 spg, 1 bpg on 46 percent shooting from the field. 20 field goal attempts a game.

Derrick Rose: 25 ppg, 7.7 apg, 1 spg, .5 bpg on 44.5 percent shooting from the field. 20 field goal attempts a game.


So explain why Griffin statistically isn't in the discussion with these 2 guys? He also attempted less shots, had a lower usage rate than both AND played his first season while they played their 3rd and 4th seasons.

Way to leave out three pointers and free throw percentage cause you know it doesn't help your boy. :lol

[chazzy]

God damn, I didn't know Griffin was blocking as many shots as Rose :lol

[Clippersfan86]

Way to leave out three pointers and free throw percentage cause you know it doesn't help your boy. :lol

WTF? Why would I include those in a discussion comparing a big to perimeter players? All I posted were the MAIN stats dude. I'm not comparing advanced stats... just the basic stats of points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks and field goal percentage. You're really reaching here because you can see by the stats they are equal. Durant and Rose are better players because they impact the game more and are a bit better defensively. They also led their teams deep into the playoffs.

I'm not claiming Griffin is top 5... but that his stats are in the discussion. Once his impact leads the Clippers to the playoffs and he shores up his defense a bit... we can put him in the top 5 in general. Which will probably be this season or next.

[RRR3]

WTF? Why would I include those in a discussion comparing a big to perimeter players? All I posted were the MAIN stats dude. I'm not comparing advanced stats... just the basic stats of points, assists, rebounds, steals, blocks and field goal percentage. You're really reaching here because you can see by the stats they are equal. Durant and Rose are better players because they impact the game more and are a bit better defensively. They also led their teams deep into the playoffs.

I'm not claiming Griffin is top 5... but that his stats are in the discussion. Once his impact leads the Clippers to the playoffs and he shores up his defense a bit... we can put him in the top 5 in general. Which will probably be this season or next.

If we're comparing different kinds of players, why did you include rebounds and blocks? Griffin is a post player so he obviously will get more boards, but he still doesn't get more blocks! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RRR3]

2010-2011 PER

Durant: 23.6
Rose: 23.5
Griffin: 21.9

[Clippersfan86]

If we're comparing different kinds of players, why did you include rebounds and blocks? Griffin is a post player so he obviously will get more boards, but he still doesn't get more blocks! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Comon dude I used to actually like some of your posts. When comparing players without going into advanced stats. You highlight the MAIN stats people look at which is what I did. I didn't cherry pick anything stupid like Turnover ratios, rebounding percentages etc where Griffin has both beat.

Both Durant and Rose have equal or better shotblocking numbers than Griffin who's a big so obviously I don't have an agenda if I'm posting those. Griffin is more well rounded than both players probably and his statistics show that. He's also less impactful at this point in his career.

[RRR3]

Comon dude I used to actually like some of your posts. When comparing players without going into advanced stats. You highlight the MAIN stats people look at which is what I did. I didn't cherry pick anything stupid like Turnover ratios, rebounding percentages etc where Griffin has both beat.

Both Durant and Rose have equal or better shotblocking numbers than Griffin who's a big so obviously I don't have an agenda if I'm posting those. Griffin is more well rounded than both players probably and his statistics show that. He's also less impactful at this point in his career.
:no:

[Clippersfan86]

2010-2011 PER

Durant: 23.6
Rose: 23.5
Griffin: 21.9

What are you proving with this though? We all know Rose and Durant are better players. Griffin's stats can be argued as top 5 PERIOD though. So those including you who say retarded things like "Griffin isn't even a top 15 player" are now being forced to throw everything you have at me and make excuses. ESPN has Griffin as probably the 9th or 10th best player which is exactly where I said he was all along. You mad bro? :cheers: :banana:

[DMAVS41]

God damn, I didn't know Griffin was blocking as many shots as Rose :lol
:oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

:oldlol:

It's ironic you're laughing at this when the 7 footer you worship averages 7 rpg. Comon man.... don't do this. Your team got the ring.... doesn't mean your balls grew. BTW Dirk averages .6 bpg... FYI.

[Miller for 3]

Yes Griffin is a top 10 player, that's why he was on a losing team despite playing with Eric Gordon :facepalm Defense is half the game, and Griffin is possibly the worst defensive player in the league impact wise. Also can't run an offense through him

[knicksman]

Yes. Pau Gasol is actually one of the most all around impactful players in the NBA. He's not nearly as one dimensional as STAT and Melo. Neither is Blake. Guess who Amare has a lot in common with on metric stat trends? Zach Randolph. Both players have the lowest win shares and impact on their teams when they are at their best individually. Amare had a great PER and numbers... but impacted his team very little most of the season.

Check this out on win shares between all players.

Dirk: 11.1
Gasol: 14.7
Griffin: 10
Amare: 8
Melo: 8

I'd agree at this point both Gasol and Dirk impact the game more than Griffin but Griffin DOES have Melo and Amare beat when it comes to all around impact. He also draws a hell of a lot more defensive attention than both of these one dimensional players.


LOL at win shares. spurs won 62 games, a team that got swept by the suns so its safe to say that the suns with amare could also win 62 games. if suns record is 40 then amare is worth 22 games. so yeah win shares is a joke.

[Clippersfan86]

Yes Griffin is a top 10 player, that's why he was on a losing team despite playing with Eric Gordon :facepalm Defense is half the game, and Griffin is possibly the worst defensive player in the league impact wise. Also can't run an offense through him

Gordon missed 30 games late in the season. You can't expect a team with 3 starters consistently injured all year, with a mostly new roster and entirely new coaching staff to immediately win moron. Kaman missed 50 games, Baron around 20. The ONLY player on the Clippers roster to miss 0 games due to injury was BLAKE GRIFFIN.

You're talking out of your ass a lot aren't you? Worst defensively? Metric stats show us he's on the same tier as Dirk and Aldridge.... better than Amare and Boozer defensively. Not to mention he allows a basket only 30 percent of the time in isolation scoring or perimeter attempts, good for best bigman percentage in the league. He's a good man defender, poor interior one... but once again another misinformed retard saying what's popular on ISH.

"Griffin's is the worst defender"... "All Griffin does is dunk". As for running an offense through him he averaged 25 ppg for a 3 month stretch this season and finished the season at 22.5 ppg. Why in the hell would you assume you can't run an offense through him? Alvin Gentry and Pop said they have to game plan for him like a superstar. He also was doubled and tripled all season long. More than anyone in the league besides Dwight.

So explain yourself or forever look like another misinformed jackass.

[creepingdeath]

It's ironic you're laughing at this when the 7 footer you worship averages 7 rpg. Comon man.... don't do this. Your team got the ring.... doesn't mean your balls grew. BTW Dirk averages .6 bpg... FYI.
Old and injured Dirk versus a rookie who is in his athletic prime. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

based on overall performance last season it will be like this:

1. lebron
2. wade
3. dwight
4. nowitzki
5. durant
6. rose
7. carmelo
8. kobe
9. amare
10. chris paul
11. blake griffin
12. steve nash
13. deron williams
14. kevin love
15. rondo
16. westbrook
17. zach randolph
18. gasol
19. ginobili
20. duncan


after #10 its ridicilously hard to rank them correctly imo

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Clippersfan86]

Old and injured Dirk versus a rookie who is in his athletic prime. :oldlol:

Hey I love Dirk trust me... but he's dissing Griffin when Dirk has an unorthodox game himself and blocks hardly any shots. I'm not trying to diss Dirk but Griffin has a defensive rating similar to Dirk's and puts up the same BPG. So why can Dirk be the best PF and top 5 player but Griffin gets sh** for being a top 10 player?

[DMAVS41]

Hey I love Dirk trust me... but he's dissing Griffin when Dirk has an unorthodox game himself and blocks hardly any shots. I'm not trying to diss Dirk but Griffin has a defensive rating similar to Dirk's and puts up the same BPG. So why can Dirk be the best PF and top 5 player but Griffin gets sh** for being a top 10 player?

i actually was just laughing at chazzy's comment...thought it was funny.

griffin isn't a top ten player yet though. sorry. he will be soon...not yet though.

[Clippersfan86]

i actually was just laughing at chazzy's comment...thought it was funny.

griffin isn't a top ten player yet though. sorry. he will be soon...not yet though.

Well ESPN seems to disagree. Why can't be be the 9th or 10th best player? Because he's a rookie and too young? When ranking active players... legacy or time in the league doesn't mean sh** man. Ask NBA defenses if they think Blake is a top 10 player... because they defend him like a league MVP.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Pau Gasol over Carmelo Anthony is the biggest embarrassment ESPN has run since Ric Bucher said there was a zero percent chance Kobe would stay a Laker.

My top 12 (not what I think ESPN will put because I don't want to lower my intelligence thinking like them):
12. Amar'e
11. Deron Williams
10. Blake Griffin
9. Kobe
8. Kevin Durant
7. Carmelo Anthony
6. D Rose
5. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
3. Dirk
2. Dwight
1. LeBron

But I know my opinion is different than most because I think Durant is greatly over-rated and Chris Paul and Carmelo are both under-rated by the majority of people. *Gets ready to be negged because people think that if you disagree with somebody then they deserved to be negged even though it's just somebody stating an opinion*

[Clippersfan86]

My list is....

1. Dwight Howard
2. Lebron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Durant
8. Deron Williams
9. Derrick Rose
10. Blake Griffin

[Clippersfan86]

Pau Gasol over Carmelo Anthony is the biggest embarrassment ESPN has run since Ric Bucher said there was a zero percent chance Kobe would stay a Laker.

My top 12 (not what I think ESPN will put because I don't want to lower my intelligence thinking like them):
12. Amar'e
11. Deron Williams
10. Blake Griffin
9. Kobe
8. Kevin Durant
7. Carmelo Anthony
6. D Rose
5. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
3. Dirk
2. Dwight
1. LeBron

But I know my opinion is different than most because I think Durant is greatly over-rated and Chris Paul and Carmelo are both under-rated by the majority of people. *Gets ready to be negged because people think that if you disagree with somebody then they deserved to be negged even though it's just somebody stating an opinion*

Repped you for having a unique list, going with your own opinions instead of what's popular. I like the list although mine is a bit different.

[DevilsAssassin]

My list is....

1. Dwight Howard
2. Lebron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Kevin Durant
8. Deron Williams
9. Amare Stoudemire
10. Blake Griffin


Where is the league's MVP?:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

Well ESPN seems to disagree. Why can't be be the 9th or 10th best player? Because he's a rookie and too young? When ranking active players... legacy or time in the league doesn't mean sh** man. Ask NBA defenses if they think Blake is a top 10 player... because they defend him like a league MVP.

Can he be? Sure. I'm just giving you my opinion. I don't think he's a top ten player.

[Clippersfan86]

Can he be? Sure. I'm just giving you my opinion. I don't think he's a top ten player.

Fair enough. You're allowed to have an opinion :cheers: . I just feel like with Griffin people are so skeptical and don't give reasons for their opinions. Like nobody has explained in detail or given a good reason why he's not top 10 worthy besides that the Clippers didn't make the playoffs.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Fair enough. You're allowed to have an opinion :cheers: . I just feel like with Griffin people are so skeptical and don't give reasons for their opinions. Like nobody has explained in detail or given a good reason why he's not top 10 worthy besides that the Clippers didn't make the playoffs.
I know what you mean. I get the feeling that people are adamant to put Griffin high in their top 10s because they think that he's all dunks and they just assume people love him so much because of it. So it's actually possible that all those highlights could make others think that's all he is when ranking him. The truth is Blake could be top 5 next season if he can help the Clips get some wins.

[Clippersfan86]

I know what you mean. I get the feeling that people are adamant to put Griffin high in their top 10s because they think that he's all dunks and they just assume people love him so much because of it. So it's actually possible that all those highlights could make others think that's all he is when ranking him. The truth is Blake could be top 5 next season if he can help the Clips get some wins.

Yea I understand some of the skepticism. Reality is Griffin could be the best player in the game and it won't mean a damn thing if he isn't leading the team into the playoffs. Rose and Durant proved their worth by leading their teams deep into the playoffs this last season. It's Blake's turn to prove what he's all about. May take 1 more season but I hope it's this season.

[talkingconch]

Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Dirk
Wade
Kobe
Rose
Chris Paul
Durant
Carmelo

[Clippersfan86]

Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Dirk
Wade
Kobe
Rose
Chris Paul
Durant
Carmelo

:oldlol: You got 9 brah. I'll give you a clue. The initials of the 10th best player are BG.

[brisbaneman]

I don't think Griffin is top 10 but I would put him top 20 already

[DirtySanchez]

Dwight should be number one...

[alenleomessi]

Blakey top 10

http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-4b5f853bcdcfdb220cde0e31867ccf35

[Clutch]

Pau Gasol better than STAT and Melo? LOL

Griffin better than STAT and Melo? LOL
this

Melo and STAT >>>>>>>>> Pau and Blake

Griffin is overrated

[pauk]

#11 to #20 is revealed!!!

#20 Zach Randolph
#19 Tim Duncan
#18 Manu Ginobili
#17 Rajon Rondo
#16 Kevin Love
#15 Russell Westbrook
#14 Steve Nash
#13 Amare Stoudemire
#12 Carmelo Anthony
#11 Pau Gasol

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7100076/nba-player-rankings-11-15






Gasol > Carmelo & Amare and so on bwahahahah :roll: :roll: :roll:

inb4 massive RAGE!

[iDunk]

It's ironic you're laughing at this when the 7 footer you worship averages 7 rpg. Comon man.... don't do this. Your team got the ring.... doesn't mean your balls grew. BTW Dirk averages .6 bpg... FYI.
Dirk isn't gifted athletically like Griffin though, plus he's European ..

[bluechox2]

"experts" are ny haters

[Clippersfan86]

Dirk isn't gifted athletically like Griffin though, plus he's European ..

:roll: :roll:. Barkley and Malone were gifted athletically too and they didn't block shots at a high volume yet are considered the 2nd and 3rd best PF's ever. They didn't have short arms/wingspan like Griffin. Just because the guy doesn't block shots doesn't mean he can't be elite.

[greensborohill]

remaining 10 are

Kobe
Dirk
Griffin
Durant
Rose
Howard
Paul
DWill
Wade
James

Right?