The "who should have been" MVP in the year...

[D-Wade316]

2010-2011: Dwight
2008-2009: Wade
2007-2008: CP3
2005-2006: Dirk
2002-2003: T-Mac

[kaiiu]

09 Lebrick>> 09 Wade. Deal wit it

[D-Wade316]

09 Lebrick>> 09 Wade. Deal wit it
Including the playoffs? Of course. But the MVP award is based on reg season performance. It must be given to a top-3 player no matter what team he was playing for. Lebron was clearly better than Dwight this year, but I believe Dwight should have won because he had to carry his team by himself. Same as 09 Wade.

09 Wade>>>>>>>>>>>09 Kobe

Deal with it.

[kaiiu]

Including the playoffs? Of course. But the MVP award is based on reg season performance. It must be given to a top-3 player no matter what team he was playing for. Lebron was clearly better than Dwight this year, but I believe Dwight should have won because he had to carry his team by himself. Same as 09 Wade.

09 Wade>>>>>>>>>>>09 Kobe

Deal with it.
didnt Joe Johnson shit on Wade in the 1st round only to get shitted on by Delonte West in the 2nd? :lol

[D-Wade316]

didnt Joe Johnson shit on Wade in the 1st round only to get shitted on by Delonte West in the 2nd? :lol
The exact opposite idiot!

ppg: 16.4-29.1
rpg: 4.5-5.0
apg: 3.5-5.3
fg%: 41.7-43.9

[kaiiu]

The exact opposite idiot!

ppg: 16.4-29.1
rpg: 4.5-5.0
apg: 3.5-5.3
fg%: 41.7-43.9
:sleeping

[SunsCaptain]

2005-2006: Dirk


Pfft yeah right

Steve Nash:

19/4/11 on 51 44 92

[ShaqAttack3234]

Duncan was the correct choice in '03, same with Lebron in '09. Can't see anyone with an equal, much less better case for the award either year. Kobe was also the correct choice in '08, but I can't argue against Paul either. He was great as well.

Dirk actually did have a very good case in '06, I'm fine with someone picking him, Nash or Kobe that year.

2011 is tough. I'm fine with Dwight, Lebron or Dirk.

Other than that, Jordan in 1990 and 1997 and Shaq in 2001.

[D-Wade316]

Pfft yeah right

Steve Nash:

19/4/11 on 51 44 92
:lol

[NugzHeat3]

1990: Barkley
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Olajuwon
1994: Olajuwon
1995: Robinson
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Zo
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: Shaq
2006: Nash
2007: Nowitzki
2008: Kobe
2009: James
2010: James
2011: Rose

[NugzHeat3]

Derrick Rose didn't deserve MVP at all. And Shaq in 05? LOL wut?
Derrick Rose deserved MVP for the sole fact it made it that much more embarassing when the HEAT destroyed him in the ECF. They won 60+, anyway and nobody expected them to be first seed before the season started.

And yeah, Shaq was ROBBED of MVP in 2005. Even Nash said Shaq should have won. He totally changed the team culture in Miami and his confidence helped Wade become a better player.

[NugzHeat3]

Rose was crap all playoffs, even before LeBron locked him down. GTFO
Another LeBron ******ger. Why did I bother? :facepalm

[ShaqAttack3234]

1990: Barkley
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Olajuwon
1994: Olajuwon
1995: Robinson
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Zo
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: Shaq
2006: Nash
2007: Nowitzki
2008: Kobe
2009: James
2010: James
2011: Rose

Really good list. Not too different from my complete list.

1990- Jordan
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Hakeem (can't argue against Barkley too much, though)
1994- Hakeem (Robinson also has a good case considering it's a regular season award)
1995- Robinson
1996- Jordan
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan (can't argue too much against Zo or Malone)
2000- Shaq
2001- Shaq
2002- Duncan
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Nash (Dirk and Shaq also have good cases)
2006- Kobe (wouldn't argue against Nash or Dirk either)
2007- Dirk
2008- Kobe (Paul also had a good case)
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Dwight (Lebron and Dirk are right up there)

[magnax1]

86-Bird
87-Magic
88-Jordan
89-Jordan
90-Jordan
91-Jordan
92-Jordan
93-Barkley
94-Robinson
95-Hakeem
96-Jordan
97-Jordan
98-Malone
99-Malone
00-Shaq
01-AI
02-Duncan
03-KG/Duncan (closest recent year by far to me)
04-KG
05-Nash
06-Kobe
07-Nash
08-Kobe
09-Lebron
10-Lebron
11-Dwight
Jordan got robbed in my opinion lol

[SCdac]

What exactly was Tracy McGrady "most valuable" to in 03? a 42 win team? 2 of which were won without him playing (and 6 lost without him). I understand his roster was crappy (and I agree) but his 74-game season combined with his team success just doesn't cut it... The Spurs in 2003, with MVP Duncan, went 36-5 after the AS break (including an 11 game win streak). Just a dominant team by the time the MVP awarding came around.

Duncan that season was:

Points - 6th
Rebounds - 3rd
Blocks - 2nd
Points Per Game - 7th
Field Goal % - 7th
Free Throw Attempts - 6th

He hit a few game-winners in the regular season too.

[NugzHeat3]

Really good list. Not too different from my complete list.

1990- Jordan
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Hakeem (can't argue against Barkley too much, though)
1994- Hakeem (Robinson also has a good case considering it's a regular season award)
1995- Robinson
1996- Jordan
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan (can't argue too much against Zo or Malone)
2000- Shaq
2001- Shaq
2002- Duncan
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Nash (Dirk and Shaq also have good cases)
2006- Kobe (wouldn't argue against Nash or Dirk either)
2007- Dirk
2008- Kobe (Paul also had a good case)
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Dwight (Lebron and Dirk are right up there)

I like your picks but I don't see much of a case for LeBron this year, Dirk in 2005 or Robinson in 1994.

LeBron's chances were always going to be lower playing next to someone who was nearly as good as him in the season. One of the reasons LeBron had better stats was because of our substitution pattern. He'd spend more time on the floor w/o Wade than Wade would w/o him.

1994 Robinson is one of the greatest stat stuffing seasons ever and I'm not sure if Robinson was ever a true MVP caliber player.

Dirk in 2005 seems a bit odd. I don't remember him being in the race.

It was close between Nash and Shaq. I thought Shaq was robbed. Even though his scoring was down, he was still guarded like a 30+ scorer drawing double and triple teams and he made us a feared team come playoff time. That was a big step from the 2004 team even though they finished on a 50 win pace with everyone healthy after the All-Star break.

But Shaq missed a few games with a knee and a thigh bruise so that may have factored in the voters minds.

[SCdac]

McGrady had one of the all-time great offensive seasons that year, for what it's worth.

What is it worth? I guess is the question (rhetorical). Duncan meant more to his team-success IMO, and wasn't exactly playing with any all-stars or fringe all-stars either. I agree McGrady at the time was arguably the best swingman in the game, but I question his work overall work ethic, and question his overall shot selection. Taking upwards of 10 three's a game is bound to make your offensive #'s look good - but is it helping the team? For what it's worth, come the playoffs, Duncan's assists per game jumped to 5+ per game, while McGrady's dropped from the RS to 4.7 per game.

[Fatal9]

1990: Barkley
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Olajuwon
1994: Olajuwon
1995: Robinson
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Zo
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Duncan
2003: Duncan
2004: KG
2005: Shaq
2006: Nash
2007: Nowitzki
2008: Kobe
2009: James
2010: James
2011: Rose
This. Except, Dirk or Dwight for Rose this year and probably Malone in '98.

[SCdac]

Three things:
1. Never said Duncan didn't deserve it.
2. McGrady shot 39% on threes that year, which is awesome considering the number of threes he took.
3. There was no point for McGrady to pass as much in the playoffs against good defenses, considering he was the only player on the team doing ANYTHING on offense. One game he had 46 of the team's 77 points and shot 60% or so while the rest of the team shot like 24% (ask shaqattack for more clarification, he remembers the game I'm talking about)

I guess if you're making 3's at a decent clip, it's better than not, he's not a "bad shooter".. but should it necessarily give a player free reign? He's the best, highest paid, player on the team so of course he did have free reign, but like I said his shot selection was questionable. He shot 36% in the last three games against Detroit, took 17 three's but only made 4. There's a fine line between shooting yourself and your team into a desperate win, and shooting yourself and your team out of games. I guess it just doesn't scream "MVP" to me, as much as it does an amazing offensive player who happened to be on a not so great team.

[Math2]

Skipped all years where the rightful winner won...

1959- Russell
1966-West
1969-Billy Cunningham
1975-Rick Barry
1977-Walton
1978-Kareem
1981-Bird
1982-Bird
1985-Magic
1988-Magic
1990-Barkley
1993-Jordan
1997-Jordan
2001-Shaq
2005-Shaq
2006-Kobe
2007-Nash
2008-Garnett
2009-Kobe
2010-Kobe
2011-Howard

[ShaqAttack3234]

LeBron's chances were always going to be lower playing next to someone who was nearly as good as him in the season. One of the reasons LeBron had better stats was because of our substitution pattern. He'd spend more time on the floor w/o Wade than Wade would w/o him.

Yeah, I just consider him because I did still feel he was in the discussion for best player in the league, put up great numbers(27/8/7, 51 FG%), played excellent defense and won 58 games. It's a tough year, though.

Howard might be the best pick considering his cast easily explains the 52 wins(low for an MVP candidate) and stepped up his offense to 23 ppg on 59% shooting, grabbed his usual 14 boards, won DPOY and made Orlando a top 3 defensive team. I'm not sure anyone was relied on that much at both ends. I mean his only 15+ ppg teammate was a washed up Vince Carter who only played 22 games with the team. None of his teammates were really consistent offensively, and we all know that Orlando doesn't have many solid defensive players.

I was really impressed with his growth as a player, not only offensively, but cutting down on his fouls after the Gortat trade, which I said at the time would be a blessing in disguise for his growth as a player because it'd force him to do so.

So the more I think about it, the more convinced I am on Howard deserving the award. But Dirk's case is overlooked too, imo, other than when he was injured, his numbers were right up there with his MVP season, and the fact that Dallas went 55-18 with him and 2-7 without him, lost Butler ect. makes me consider him.


1994 Robinson is one of the greatest stat stuffing seasons ever and I'm not sure if Robinson was ever a true MVP caliber player.

That's true, just threw him in there because he got a pretty limited cast 55 wins and was relied on a lot. Hakeem is my pick.


Dirk in 2005 seems a bit odd. I don't remember him being in the race.

He got some talk, but most considered it between Nash and Shaq. But sometimes I lean towards Dirk. He certainly had the numbers(26/10/3, 46 FG%, 58 TS%) and despite Dallas losing key players such as Nash, he led them to 58 wins despite a lot of injuries to his team.


It was close between Nash and Shaq. I thought Shaq was robbed. Even though his scoring was down, he was still guarded like a 30+ scorer drawing double and triple teams and he made us a feared team come playoff time. That was a big step from the 2004 team even though they finished on a 50 win pace with everyone healthy after the All-Star break.

But Shaq missed a few games with a knee and a thigh bruise so that may have factored in the voters minds.

Yeah, it's tough, at the time, I was one of the "Shaq was robbed" guys, but partially because Nash's improvement caught me off guard. I thought of him as one of the better point guards before then, but never an MVP-caliber player, and it took me a while to appreciate how good he had become.

Nash had a lot of offensive firepower around him with all of those shooters and scorers, but he really made that team the offensive juggernaut they were, and that's how they won 62 games because their defense was mediocre.

Of course, he led the league in assists and held back his scoring to 15.5 ppg, but was capable of scoring a lot more and taking over as he proved in the Dallas series(30+ ppg) or the entire playoffs(almost 24 ppg) without his playmaking or efficiency suffering.

And the team was 2-5 without him, plus they scored 121.7 points per 100 possessions with him on the court, and just 104.1 points per 100 possessions with him off the court, and it was obvious how much Stoudemire and Marion as well as the shooters benefited from him. Great in transition, or pick and rolls.

But you're right, can't disregard Shaq either. You simply couldn't defend him like a normal player and his arrival and presence made Miami a championship contender instantly.

And Wade's comments certainly reflect these things.


"Everyone is focused on him," Wade said. "I've never seen anyone get the attention he does. When Shaq's on the floor, thing open up for me. It's been a little easier for me to pick and choose my spots. The attention that he draws makes things a lot easier when he's on the floor."


"Shaq [O'Neal] gives you confidence at both ends of the floor," said Wade. "We (the Heat) know defense wins ballgames, and we have a long way to go, still. But it is our defense that has helped win ballgames early."

http://www.wpxi.com/nba/3910401/detail.html

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1915767
[QUOTE]

[D.J.]

1990- Barkley
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Barkley
1994- Pippen
1995- Shaq
1996- Jordan
1997- Malone
1998- Jordan
1999- Mourning
2000- Shaq
2001- Iverson
2002- Kidd
2003- McGrady
2004- Garnett
2005- Nash
2006- Kobe
2007- Dirk
2008- Paul
2009- Wade
2010- LeBron
2011- Rose

[magnax1]

I'm not sure about Malone. Jordan played all 82 games despite injuries and led Chicago to a 26-12 record without Pippen.

Malone only led Utah to an 11-7 record without Stockton and Malone's own numbers dropped without Stockton.

With Stockton- 27.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 4 apg, 2.9 TO, 53.2 FG%, 60.1 TS%, 37.3 mpg
Without Stockton- 24.9 ppg,11.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 3.6 TO, 52.3 FG%, 58.2 TS%, 36.6 mpg
Didn't Jordan have a similar drop in stats without Pippen though?

[NugzHeat3]

Yeah, I just consider him because I did still feel he was in the discussion for best player in the league, put up great numbers(27/8/7, 51 FG%), played excellent defense and won 58 games. It's a tough year, though.

Howard might be the best pick considering his cast easily explains the 52 wins(low for an MVP candidate) and stepped up his offense to 23 ppg on 59% shooting, grabbed his usual 14 boards, won DPOY and made Orlando a top 3 defensive team. I'm not sure anyone was relied on that much at both ends. I mean his only 15+ ppg teammate was a washed up Vince Carter who only played 22 games with the team. None of his teammates were really consistent offensively, and we all know that Orlando doesn't have many solid defensive players.

I was really impressed with his growth as a player, not only offensively, but cutting down on his fouls after the Gortat trade, which I said at the time would be a blessing in disguise for his growth as a player because it'd force him to do so.

So the more I think about it, the more convinced I am on Howard deserving the award. But Dirk's case is overlooked too, imo, other than when he was injured, his numbers were right up there with his MVP season, and the fact that Dallas went 55-18 with him and 2-7 without him, lost Butler ect. makes me consider him.
Good looking out. I forgot about Butler's injury and how bad Dallas did without Dirk.




That's true, just threw him in there because he got a pretty limited cast 55 wins and was relied on a lot. Hakeem is my pick.
I would say Pippen had more of a case than Robinson to be honest although neither really have as good of a case as Hakeem.




He got some talk, but most considered it between Nash and Shaq. But sometimes I lean towards Dirk. He certainly had the numbers(26/10/3, 46 FG%, 58 TS%) and despite Dallas losing key players such as Nash, he led them to 58 wins despite a lot of injuries to his team.

IIRC, they really took off after hiring Avery who emphasized defense a lot more and made them a more balanced team. Nash was schooling them in the playoffs though and I remember some people saying his playoff performance validated the MVP.



Yeah, it's tough, at the time, I was one of the "Shaq was robbed" guys, but partially because Nash's improvement caught me off guard. I thought of him as one of the better point guards before then, but never an MVP-caliber player, and it took me a while to appreciate how good he had become.

Nash had a lot of offensive firepower around him with all of those shooters and scorers, but he really made that team the offensive juggernaut they were, and that's how they won 62 games because their defense was mediocre.

Of course, he led the league in assists and held back his scoring to 15.5 ppg, but was capable of scoring a lot more and taking over as he proved in the Dallas series(30+ ppg) or the entire playoffs(almost 24 ppg) without his playmaking or efficiency suffering.

And the team was 2-5 without him, plus they scored 121.7 points per 100 possessions with him on the court, and just 104.1 points per 100 possessions with him off the court, and it was obvious how much Stoudemire and Marion as well as the shooters benefited from him. Great in transition, or pick and rolls.

Great points. It's why I picked Nash for the 2006 season. That was a very different team than the 2005 one and in a way, it showed who was the key cog of the Suns offense. I always used to say Nash played with a whole lot of talent ignoring that Nash made those guys much better and in retrospect, it's clear Nash was the biggest reason for the Suns success.




But you're right, can't disregard Shaq either. You simply couldn't defend him like a normal player and his arrival and presence made Miami a championship contender instantly.

And Wade's comments certainly reflect these things.

Yeah Wade's improvement certainly had a lot to do with Shaq's presence. I remember we struggled a lot (.500 level) whenever Shaq was out because there would be too much pressure on Wade and teams would just start trapping him and forcing to shoot from the perimeter.



I'm not sure about Malone. Jordan played all 82 games despite injuries and led Chicago to a 26-12 record without Pippen.

Malone only led Utah to an 11-7 record without Stockton and Malone's own numbers dropped without Stockton.

With Stockton- 27.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 4 apg, 2.9 TO, 53.2 FG%, 60.1 TS%, 37.3 mpg
Without Stockton- 24.9 ppg,11.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 3.6 TO, 52.3 FG%, 58.2 TS%, 36.6 mpg
Malone's offense was always going to take a hit with Stockton out. There was just way too much pressure on him to create for an offensively inept team. It didn't make Malone a worse player.

That squad lacked a playmaker besides Stockton and everybody besides Malone was rather weak at creating their own shot or putting pressure on the defense with dribble penetration. That offense was sogood because they relied a lot on ball movement, running shooters off curls and double screens, setting high-post picks with guards cutting down the lane, backdoor cuts ect. They got a lot of easy baskets that way.

But whenever that offense wasn't working or the shooters went cold, they lacked a go-to-guy besides Karl and Stockton couldn't be that guy to take pressure off of him since he wasn't a threat to score. The Jazz in 1998 were 1-13 in games when trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Malone in 1998 was definitely great and MVP worthy although he was still worse than Jordan and Shaq that year.

[Odinn]

1990- Magic
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Barkley (Hakeem)
1994- Hakeem (Robinson)
1995- Robinson
1996- Jordan
1997- K. Malone (Jordan)
1998- K. Malone (Jordan)
1999- Duncan (Zo or Malone)
2000- Shaq
2001- Shaq
2002- Duncan
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Shaq (Nash)
2006- Kobe (Nash or Dirk)
2007- Dirk
2008- CP3 (Kobe)
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Dwight (Lebron)

I wouldn't argue too much against names in the parenthesis.

[PHILA]

1966-West :facepalm

You also forget the Sixers won 10 more games than LA (+ 11 game winning streak to conclude the reg. season) and clinched the Division championship at Baltimore the last game of the season, with Wilt playing his best ball up to that point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEdiptkyYsY#t=25s




Williamson Daily News - May 28, 1966

http://i.imgur.com/xvOhH.png


The Evening News - Mar 21, 1966

http://i.imgur.com/BfoJU.png
http://i.imgur.com/ASFly.png

http://i.imgur.com/Dkx3d.png

[pauk]

2010-2011: Lebron
2008-2009: Lebron
2007-2008: Lebron
2005-2006: Lebron
2002-2003: Lebron in school

fixed

[ShaqAttack3234]

Didn't Jordan have a similar drop in stats without Pippen though?

Not sure, I think he scored about the same, but his efficiency might have been lower. I'll calculate the stats eventually, but for now, here are his splits for the first 2 months.

October(1 game)- 30/6/4, 3 TO, 7/23 FG, 16/21 FT
November- 27.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.7 TO, 43.6 FG%, 69.9 FT%, 15 games
December- 28.4 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.9 TO, 45.2 FG%, 83.1 FT%, 14 games

And the 5 games that he played before Pippen returned in January.

44/5/1, 0 TO, 15/22 FG, 13/15 FT
34/9/9, 4 TO, 12/15 FG, 10/11 FT
19/3/4, 3 TO, 5/13 FG, 9/12 FT
26/4/1, 1 TO, 12/27 FG, 1/3 FT
44/4/2, 1 TO, 17/33 FG, 9/10 FT

Played 3 more games without Pippen sometime later in the season, but looking at the free throw percentage early, I think it makes the theory that Jordan's efficiency was down due to the hand injury credible and you can see his efficiency and FT% rising in December and those 5 January games.



I would say Pippen had more of a case than Robinson to be honest although neither really have as good of a case as Hakeem.

Can't argue with that too much. Hakeem was the right choice, but Pippen could be argued as runner up, especially considering that the Bulls were 4-6 without Pippen, iirc and I believe they were on pace for 60+ wins with Pippen and Grant in the lineup. Scottie had a great season, but it was Hakeem's league then.


IIRC, they really took off after hiring Avery who emphasized defense a lot more and made them a more balanced team. Nash was schooling them in the playoffs though and I remember some people saying his playoff performance validated the MVP.

Good call, Dallas was 42-22 with Nelson and 16-2 with Avery.


Malone's offense was always going to take a hit with Stockton out. There was just way too much pressure on him to create for an offensively inept team. It didn't make Malone a worse player.

That squad lacked a playmaker besides Stockton and everybody besides Malone was rather weak at creating their own shot or putting pressure on the defense with dribble penetration. That offense was sogood because they relied a lot on ball movement, running shooters off curls and double screens, setting high-post picks with guards cutting down the lane, backdoor cuts ect. They got a lot of easy baskets that way.

But whenever that offense wasn't working or the shooters went cold, they lacked a go-to-guy besides Karl and Stockton couldn't be that guy to take pressure off of him since he wasn't a threat to score. The Jazz in 1998 were 1-13 in games when trailing going into the 4th quarter.

Malone in 1998 was definitely great and MVP worthy although he was still worse than Jordan and Shaq that year.

Yeah, but I think the fact that Malone's offensive numbers benefited that much from Stockton and the offense shows that he wasn't quite the scorer that his regular season numbers suggest. By 1998, he had improved his jump shot and post game and his numbers probably benefited less than the late 80's/early 90's version because defense had gotten better and Stockton played significantly more minutes back then. But even in 2003(the only Malone/Stockton season that these numbers are available), he was assisted on an unbelievable 80% of his baskets.

Malone was obviously a very good offensive player, but I think this is partially why his regular season numbers dropped so much in the playoffs because there are less easy baskets available, kind of like Robinson, though to a lesser extent.

I agree that both Jordan and Shaq were better. Shaq was the best individual player by that point, imo, but he missed too many games to win MVP that season.

[Math2]

:facepalm

You also forget the Sixers won 10 more games than LA (+ 11 game winning streak to conclude the reg. season) and clinched the Division championship at Baltimore the last game of the season, with Wilt playing his best ball up to that point.



Touche....but Wilt's best ball (in a team sense) isn't saying much...

[pauk]

Really good list. Not too different from my complete list.

1990- Jordan
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Hakeem (can't argue against Barkley too much, though)
1994- Hakeem (Robinson also has a good case considering it's a regular season award)
1995- Robinson
1996- Jordan
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan (can't argue too much against Zo or Malone)
2000- Shaq
2001- Shaq
2002- Duncan
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Nash (Dirk and Shaq also have good cases)
2006- Nash
2007- Dirk
2008- Paul
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Dwight (Lebron and Dirk are right up there)

cant argue against that... replaced only Kobe with Paul in 2008 and Kobe with Nash in 2006

[PHILA]

Touche....but Wilt's best ball (in a team sense) isn't saying much...

His best years were with the Sixers (notably '67). However he also had excellent results on other teams, beit in San Francisco where he first united with Coach Hannum and took a very average team to the NBA Finals, or Los Angeles where under Coach Sharman they won 69 games and the Lakers first title since they moved from Minneapolis. :applause:

[Bigsmoke]

Rose was crap all playoffs, even before LeBron locked him down. GTFO

30ppg and 10APG is called "playing like crap"?

and lol @ Tmac being robbed in 2003 :lol

2003 was Duncan's year all the way

[Fatal9]

I'm not sure about Malone. Jordan played all 82 games despite injuries and led Chicago to a 26-12 record without Pippen.

Malone only led Utah to an 11-7 record without Stockton and Malone's own numbers dropped without Stockton.

With Stockton- 27.7 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 4 apg, 2.9 TO, 53.2 FG%, 60.1 TS%, 37.3 mpg
Without Stockton- 24.9 ppg,11.1 rpg, 3.6 apg, 3.6 TO, 52.3 FG%, 58.2 TS%, 36.6 mpg

I know but sometimes when a player as important as a Stockton or Pippen is missing, teams initially need to adjust to the change (it's even more of a shock when it happens as the season starts). Gradually as more games wear on, teams learn to win without the key player (if their mvp is missing though, then they usually struggle no matter what). Example in that season, Bulls started the season just 8-7, then finally came together and reeled off a winning streak. If Pippen comes back after 15-20 games, we end up saying same thing about MJ. Jazz had a similar case, they started off 5-6 and then went 6-1 (changes in schedule also matter, switchups also happen in the starting lineup). And with Stockton gone, a team already lacking offensive options becomes even worse (and they relied on set plays immensely, so the PG who knows the playbook not being there really hurts).

25/11/4 on 58 TS% is still very, very good and MVP worthy in the late 90s. I'd say the scoring would improve more once he played more and more games without Stockton and found his own way (like say Amare this season, struggled early on without Nash and then found his way after playing through it).

I say this knowing Malone is an overrated scorer (which is why he wasn't that great of a scorer in "winning time"), but you can't doubt his value to the Jazz team. On that sort of a team a guy giving you close to 30 efficiently matters...a lot, no matter how he's getting them (along with the other great things he did, rebound a bit, post defense, pass well). I think Jazz are very lucky he never got injured, especially in the late 90s...they literally had no one who could be relied on to score 20 a game consistently. I'd take MJ on my team no doubt but imo Jazz overachieved in both '97 and '98 given the roster they had, Malone was also right there with him statistically (or better) so that's why I'd give it to him in '98. Obviously Stockton had a big impact on Malone's scoring numbers, maybe only one or two other PGs delivered the ball with the type of precision/timing that Stockton did, but Malone is putting up great numbers on any team (though a pass first PG is ideal for him).

[97 bulls]

1990- Barkley
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Barkley
1994- Pippen
1995- Shaq
1996- Jordan
1997- Malone
1998- Jordan
1999- Mourning
2000- Shaq
2001- Iverson
2002- Kidd
2003- McGrady
2004- Garnett
2005- Nash
2006- Kobe
2007- Dirk
2008- Paul
2009- Wade
2010- LeBron
2011- Rose
Fairest of the lists I've read.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I know but sometimes when a player as important as a Stockton or Pippen is missing, teams initially need to adjust to the change (it's even more of a shock when it happens as the season starts). Gradually as more games wear on, teams learn to win without the key player (if their mvp is missing though, then they usually struggle no matter what). Example in that season, Bulls started the season just 8-7, then finally came together and reeled off a winning streak. If Pippen comes back after 15-20 games, we end up saying same thing about MJ. Jazz had a similar case, they started off 5-6 and then went 6-1 (changes in schedule also matter, switchups also happen in the starting lineup). And with Stockton gone, a team already lacking offensive options becomes even worse (and they relied on set plays immensely, so the PG who knows the playbook not being there really hurts).

25/11/4 on 58 TS% is still very, very good and MVP worthy in the late 90s. I'd say the scoring would improve more once he played more and more games without Stockton and found his own way (like say Amare this season, struggled early on without Nash and then found his way after playing through it).

I say this knowing Malone is an overrated scorer (which is why he wasn't that great of a scorer in "winning time"), but you can't doubt his value to the Jazz team. On that sort of a team a guy giving you close to 30 efficiently matters...a lot, no matter how he's getting them (along with the other great things he did, rebound a bit, post defense, pass well). I think Jazz are very lucky he never got injured, especially in the late 90s...they literally had no one who could be relied on to score 20 a game consistently. I'd take MJ on my team no doubt but imo Jazz overachieved in both '97 and '98 given the roster they had, Malone was also right there with him statistically (or better) so that's why I'd give it to him in '98. Obviously Stockton had a big impact on Malone's scoring numbers, maybe only one or two other PGs delivered the ball with the type of precision/timing that Stockton did, but Malone is putting up great numbers on any team (though a pass first PG is ideal for him).

Fair enough, you've made a case to back up your opinion. But Jordan did have to play more than twice as many games without his team's second best player and having to play without Pippen for that long is huge considering he was their second best scorer, best defender, primary playmaker ect.

And while a healthy Bulls team had more talent than a healthy Jazz team, Jordan had to play for a significant period of time without that much offensive help himself. Kukoc was really the only other Bull during that time who was a real threat offensively.

And yeah, Malone was definitely a very good scorer regardless, I was just pointing out that, his efficiency(and probably scoring average to some degree) was boosted by Stockton and playing in that offense, much like Amare who is one of my favorite players these days and we know was a capable 25-26 ppg scorer anyway, but not on the same ridiculous efficiency(56-59 FG%, 62-66 TS%) without Nash, and with more turnovers when he played without Nash, much like Malone without Stockton.

25 ppg on 52 FG%/58 TS% definitely was rare during that era, though('94-'04)

[ShaqAttack3234]

I know but sometimes when a player as important as a Stockton or Pippen is missing, teams initially need to adjust to the change (it's even more of a shock when it happens as the season starts). Gradually as more games wear on, teams learn to win without the key player (if their mvp is missing though, then they usually struggle no matter what). Example in that season, Bulls started the season just 8-7, then finally came together and reeled off a winning streak. If Pippen comes back after 15-20 games, we end up saying same thing about MJ. Jazz had a similar case, they started off 5-6 and then went 6-1 (changes in schedule also matter, switchups also happen in the starting lineup). And with Stockton gone, a team already lacking offensive options becomes even worse (and they relied on set plays immensely, so the PG who knows the playbook not being there really hurts).

25/11/4 on 58 TS% is still very, very good and MVP worthy in the late 90s. I'd say the scoring would improve more once he played more and more games without Stockton and found his own way (like say Amare this season, struggled early on without Nash and then found his way after playing through it).

I say this knowing Malone is an overrated scorer (which is why he wasn't that great of a scorer in "winning time"), but you can't doubt his value to the Jazz team. On that sort of a team a guy giving you close to 30 efficiently matters...a lot, no matter how he's getting them (along with the other great things he did, rebound a bit, post defense, pass well). I think Jazz are very lucky he never got injured, especially in the late 90s...they literally had no one who could be relied on to score 20 a game consistently. I'd take MJ on my team no doubt but imo Jazz overachieved in both '97 and '98 given the roster they had, Malone was also right there with him statistically (or better) so that's why I'd give it to him in '98. Obviously Stockton had a big impact on Malone's scoring numbers, maybe only one or two other PGs delivered the ball with the type of precision/timing that Stockton did, but Malone is putting up great numbers on any team (though a pass first PG is ideal for him).

Fair enough, you've made a case to back up your opinion. But Jordan did have to play more than twice as many games without his team's second best player and having to play without Pippen for that long is huge considering he was their second best scorer, best defender, primary playmaker ect.

And while a healthy Bulls team had more talent than a healthy Jazz team, Jordan had to play for a significant period of time without that much offensive help himself. Kukoc was really the only other Bull during that time who was a real threat offensively.

And yeah, Malone was definitely a very good scorer regardless, I was just pointing out that, his efficiency(and probably scoring average to some degree) was boosted by Stockton and playing in that offense, much like Amare who is one of my favorite players these days and we know was a capable 25-26 ppg scorer anyway, but not on the same ridiculous efficiency(56-59 FG%, 62-66 TS%) without Nash, and with more turnovers when he played without Nash, much like Malone without Stockton.

25 ppg on 52 FG%/58 TS% definitely was rare during that era, though('94-'04)

[magnax1]

That squad lacked a playmaker besides Stockton and everybody besides Malone was rather weak at creating their own shot or putting pressure on the defense with dribble penetration. That offense was sogood because they relied a lot on ball movement, running shooters off curls and double screens, setting high-post picks with guards cutting down the lane, backdoor cuts ect. They got a lot of easy baskets that way.

But whenever that offense wasn't working or the shooters went cold, they lacked a go-to-guy besides Karl and Stockton couldn't be that guy to take pressure off of him since he wasn't a threat to score. The Jazz in 1998 were 1-13 in games when trailing going into the 4th quarter.
I've watched almost every single 97 and 98 Jazz game, and the issue was as much a lack of a main scorer as a secondary scorer. Not that Malone was a bad scorer, but when he wasn't using the flow of the offense to get his points, he was just not efficient, and played in an somewhat similar manner to Dirk one on one, but really just didn't have a good enough jumpshot (despite being a really good shooter) to play efficiently that way.
Hornacek and Stockton (less so Stockton at that point, especially 98) despite their low scoring stats were quite effective at getting shots when needed. Hornacek wasn't great off the dribble(though plays weren't ran for him in those situations as often as Stockton or Malone) but he could come off screens like Reggie Miller did late in games. Usually their best games in the fourth quarter were when Stockton was given the ball instead of Malone, and late on Sloan ended up doing that almost exclusively unless Stockton was on a cold streak.
Also, I would say that Malone was MVP in 98. His team relied on him very heavily at that point because Stockton was really not like the old Stockton at all (his longevity is really over rated by some) Malone was a really great passer and scorer if they got him close enough to the basket. He just had issues settling for long shots at the end of games if Sloan just isod him.

[che guevara]

I'll never understand people who choose Pippen for the '94 MVP. He had a terrific season no doubt, but he doesn't have any case whatsoever over Hakeem who dominated him statistically, played in 8 more games and led his team to a better record. Wade doesn't have a case in '09 over Lebron either, he won 66 games with a mediocre cast (though Wade's was obviously worse) and still put up equal or slightly better numbers in less minutes.

In the last 20 years these are the MVPs I'd change:

1990: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1999: Duncan
2001: Shaq
2006: Kobe (though Nash wasn't that far off)
2011: Lebron, Dirk, or Dwight, though I'd lean to Lebron or Dwight due to how much time Dirk missed

There are plenty of years that are debatable, but these are the years where I feel like the media clearly picked the wrong guy for MVP.

[97 bulls]

I'll never understand people who choose Pippen for the '94 MVP. He had a terrific season no doubt, but he doesn't have any case whatsoever over Hakeem who dominated him statistically, played in 8 more games and led his team to a better record. Wade doesn't have a case in '09 over Lebron either, he won 66 games with a mediocre cast (though Wade's was obviously worse) and still put up equal or slightly better numbers in less minutes.

In the last 20 years these are the MVPs I'd change:

1990: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1999: Duncan
2001: Shaq
2006: Kobe (though Nash wasn't that far off)
2011: Lebron, Dirk, or Dwight, though I'd lean to Lebron or Dwight due to how much time Dirk missed

There are plenty of years that are debatable, but these are the years where I feel like the media clearly picked the wrong guy for MVP.
Id pick pippen in 94 cuz nobody could've predicted that he would've been able to keep the bulls competitive after jordan left. Take pippen off the bulls and olajuwan off the rockets and I feel the rockets fair better.

I remember as a bulls fan how everyone had the understanding that without jordan, the bulls were finished. And it took a season from arguably the best center ever having the best season of his career to deny pip the mvp. Pippen literrally had to do everything. Even more than olajuwan cuz he had to run the offense aas well aas be the main scorer and defensive anchor.

I also feel rose deserved the mvp for the same reason pippen should've got it.

[EricForman]

2010-2011: Dwight
2008-2009: Wade
2007-2008: CP3
2005-2006: Dirk
2002-2003: T-Mac


Tmac over Duncan as most VALUABLE to winning?
:oldlol:

[sannguyen19]

2010-2011: Dwight
2008-2009: Wade
2007-2008: CP3
2005-2006: Dirk
2002-2003: T-Mac

actually he's dead on with Dirk 05-06....he deserved it more that year then the year he won the MVP..Mavs won 60 games that year also.

[All Net]

Tmac over Duncan as most VALUABLE to winning?
:oldlol:
Well look who the poster is.

[OmniStrife]

People who take away Nash's MVPs have no real understanding of what is the award about.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

People who take away Nash's MVPs have no real understanding of what is the award about.
but but but Kobe scored 36 ppg:hammerhead:

[EricForman]

People who take away Nash's MVPs have no real understanding of what is the award about.


Maybe he didn't deserve two but he should have at least one. The more he plays at this elite level, the more and more the cries from 05-08 about how he "robbed Kobe" and how "he's the worst MVP ever" look stupid.

But to be honest, i don't think anyone, not even the most optimistic Suns fan, expected Nash to be elite status for six full years after they signed him the summer of 2004.

[Math2]

His best years were with the Sixers (notably '67). However he also had excellent results on other teams, beit in San Francisco where he first united with Coach Hannum and took a very average team to the NBA Finals, or Los Angeles where under Coach Sharman they won 69 games and the Lakers first title since they moved from Minneapolis. :applause:


'67 and '72 were his only team years really. Before 67 he was obsessed with points (except he wasn't as much in 64 and he sorta bought into Hannum), '67 he bought into Hannum totaly, and then went after assist titles after that...

[97 bulls]

People who take away Nash's MVPs have no real understanding of what is the award about.
Exactly. When you loose your best player like when the suns lost amare, or when jordan abruptly retired, or loose a significant amouunt of your core players as was the case with rose, and u still are competing for a championship, that shows far more value than just being the best player on the best team.

[guy]

I'll never understand people who choose Pippen for the '94 MVP. He had a terrific season no doubt, but he doesn't have any case whatsoever over Hakeem who dominated him statistically, played in 8 more games and led his team to a better record. Wade doesn't have a case in '09 over Lebron either, he won 66 games with a mediocre cast (though Wade's was obviously worse) and still put up equal or slightly better numbers in less minutes.

.

I completely agree with this especially the Wade part. In the past 30 years, I'd probably say Bird's 84 and 86 MVPs, Magic's 87 MVP, Jordan's 91, 92, and 96 MVPs, Shaq's 00 MVP, Duncan's 03 MVP, and Lebron's 09 and 10 MVPs were complete no-brainers, as in there is really no debate whatsoever. Usually its cause no one that has anywhere close to the amount of wins they had those seasons challenges them at all statistically or had the same impact.

[guy]

Given the criteria thats a combination of wins/stats/impact/level of teammates/games played, I'd probably change 1990 to Jordan, 1997 to Jordan, 2001 to Shaq, 2005 to Shaq, and 2006 to Dirk.

[D.J.]

Maybe he didn't deserve two but he should have at least one.


This. I have no beef with his '05 award, but '06 was Kobe all the way.

[zay_24]

01- bean
03- bean
06- bean
07 bean

[SteveNashMVPcro]

This. I have no beef with his '05 award, but '06 was Kobe all the way.
The Lakers had 45 wins and IMHO you need at least 50 to win the MVP so:no:

[D.J.]

The Lakers had 45 wins and IMHO you need at least 50 to win the MVP so:no:


MVP is the most valuable player. It doesn't say anything about record. Kobe is the sole reason they made the playoffs and even had the chance of advancing to round 2. You take Kobe off the Lakers, I doubt they win more than 20 games. That's how bad they were when you take away Kobe's 35 PPG.

[GS1905]

96-97 : Iverson
97-98 : Iverson
98-99 : Iverson
99-00 : Iverson
00-01 : Iverson
01-02 : Iverson
02-03 : Iverson
03-04 : Iverson
04-05 : Iverson
05-06 : Iverson
06-07 : Iverson
07-08 : Iverson
08-09 : Iverson
09-10 : Iverson

[GS1905]

Impossible.

GTFO son. Learn basketball before you come at me.

Siktir lan yarragimin anteni derler buna bizim orada.

[NugzHeat3]

I've watched almost every single 97 and 98 Jazz game, and the issue was as much a lack of a main scorer as a secondary scorer. Not that Malone was a bad scorer, but when he wasn't using the flow of the offense to get his points, he was just not efficient, and played in an somewhat similar manner to Dirk one on one, but really just didn't have a good enough jumpshot (despite being a really good shooter) to play efficiently that way.
Hornacek and Stockton (less so Stockton at that point, especially 98) despite their low scoring stats were quite effective at getting shots when needed. Hornacek wasn't great off the dribble(though plays weren't ran for him in those situations as often as Stockton or Malone) but he could come off screens like Reggie Miller did late in games. Usually their best games in the fourth quarter were when Stockton was given the ball instead of Malone, and late on Sloan ended up doing that almost exclusively unless Stockton was on a cold streak.
Also, I would say that Malone was MVP in 98. His team relied on him very heavily at that point because Stockton was really not like the old Stockton at all (his longevity is really over rated by some) Malone was a really great passer and scorer if they got him close enough to the basket. He just had issues settling for long shots at the end of games if Sloan just isod him.
That's the point. They could never break down playoff defenses effectively whether it's due to lack of athleticism or creativity in their handle though they were very solid at protecting their dribble.

The only series Stockton ever took over and upped his scoring was the 1997 WCF. That's it and it's not a coincidence that came against perhaps the two worst defensive PGs in the league in a rookie Matt Maloney and out of shape Sedale Threatt. Stockton actually recognized the mismatch and attacked the defense all series long.

However, he rarely showed the ability to do that when the Jazz needed them against better defensive teams. Hell, there were plenty of times I saw Stockton and Hornacek fail to take advantage of a poor close-out with dribble penetration.

Also, I disagree with Malone not being a effective main scorer. I think he was good enough scorer. Sure, he had a drop-off in both volume and efficiency come playoff time but most players do save for few (Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley?) because games are slower and defenses are tighter/better.

This guy took over many playoff games over the course of his career and more often than not, it was due to poor floor spacing (Jeff Malone years) and a lack of a second scorer that was the reason for Utah's losses.

This guy dominated a great defensive player in Buck Williams in 1992 just by getting deep position down low and overpowering him every trip down the court. Utah simply didn't have enough weapons to counteract the Blazers.

Another example is the 1994 series vs Denver. Denver almost made history coming back from a 0-3 deficit to tie at 3-3 but then Malone had a huge game (especially the first half) to bail the Jazz out. They literally couldn't score because of Mutombo down low.

Karl also played great vs Seattle in 1996 although Stockton was injured and Seattle totally focused on him trapping him in the halfcourt and baseline. Stockton's play through the first 6 games was the reason Utah lost. He missed a GW too IIRC.

Same thing in the deciding game 5 against Houston in 1995, Karl had 30+ but Stockton, Benoit and the rest just started bricking shots and taking time off the clock and they ended up blowing a solid lead in the 4th quarter.

[Maniak]

Boo hoo Nash won 2 MVPs. Biggest tragedy in sports ever those should be Kobes waah waah.

[magnax1]

That's the point. They could never break down playoff defenses effectively whether it's due to lack of athleticism or creativity in their handle though they were very solid at protecting their dribble.

The only series Stockton ever took over and upped his scoring was the 1997 WCF. That's it and it's not a coincidence that came against perhaps the two worst defensive PGs in the league in a rookie Matt Maloney and out of shape Sedale Threatt. Stockton actually recognized the mismatch and attacked the defense all series long.
That's true of late 90's Stockton, who is basically over rated on here. He was not a scorer, but more similar to what Jason Kidd did for the mavericks this year, except he was more effective in intangible type things too like setting screens, and was better at giving out pinpoint passes. He was just not the same as his early 90's/late 80's self in terms of ability to break down a defense though. Even from 95-98 it was a big big difference.
Hornacek though? He was more then capable of keeping the defenses honest on Malone, he was one of the best shooters in the league and was more then capable of finishing and getting inside. He was a much much better scorer then the 15 ppg he averaged would suggest.
Even as Malone became a better shooter and post player the vast majority of his point came within the offense, and when an effective screen was not set to get him close to the basket he was just not capable of scoring efficiently and would end up with the contested jumpers that the defense was more then willing to give him, which basically stagnated the offense, unless Stockton or Hornacek took over. The fact that Malone could not put pressure on the defense with his scoring late in games is what the issue was. Who was around Malone was not an issue. They had tons of shooters and a scorer who could punish the defense if they sagged off them, but sagging off on a guy who's 16 feet from the basket and the only option he has is a fadeaway causes few problems for a good defense.


Also, I disagree with Malone not being a effective main scorer. I think he was good enough scorer. Sure, he had a drop-off in both volume and efficiency come playoff time but most players do save for few (Hakeem, Jordan, Barkley?) because games are slower and defenses are tighter/better.
Like I said, it's not the fact that he couldn't score at all, but how he scored.


This guy dominated a great defensive player in Buck Williams in 1992 just by getting deep position down low and overpowering him every trip down the court. Utah simply didn't have enough weapons to counteract the Blazers.
The Blazers were plainly more talented. It wasn't an issue of them having the wrong pieces around Malone. Actually most players on the team had a really good series against Portland. They just wouldn't have beaten them with any similarly talented team.


Another example is the 1994 series vs Denver. Denver almost made history coming back from a 0-3 deficit to tie at 3-3 but then Malone had a huge game (especially the first half) to bail the Jazz out. They literally couldn't score because of Mutombo down low.
Malone didn't have a good series against Denver though. He started throwing out shitty games in the middle of the series, and that's when Denver got Momentum, and the game became close from then on. Both Hornacek and Stockton had pretty good series against Denver, though Stockton struggled with efficiently scoring.


Karl also played great vs Seattle in 1996 although Stockton was injured and Seattle totally focused on him trapping him in the halfcourt and baseline. Stockton's play through the first 6 games was the reason Utah lost. He missed a GW too IIRC.
I don't know why, but the only thing I remember about that series is seattle fans complaining that Malone got extra time for free throws.


Same thing in the deciding game 5 against Houston in 1995, Karl had 30+ but Stockton, Benoit and the rest just started bricking shots and taking time off the clock and they ended up blowing a solid lead in the 4th quarter.
That is not really what happened at all (other then Benoit) and I can give a really good breakdown of that series, because I've watched it 50 times (exaggerating, but I've watched it a ton) and it was sooooo dissapointing to me and my Dad at the time. That was just the worst possible matchup you could've made up for Utah.
Issue #1-
The center position sucked for Utah that year. The could not guard Hakeem for shit, and Karl Malone was eating up big chunks of time at the center position in the regular season that year. Less so in the playoffs because he was even worse at guarding Hakeem. On top of that, the Rockets could go big, and they didn't have issues. The could go small and did not have issues. They could just outmatch Utah's front court in a terrible way. Point is they just had big issues with their centers.
Issue #2-
Hornacek could not guard Drexler. At all. Hornacek was not really a good defender at all, and before they Got Bryon Russell they had big issues with big and athletic guards like Drexler. Drexler was probably the biggest determining factor in that series, and he just took a dump on Utah in quite a few games.
Issue #3-
Malone did not create!!! It's actually funny that you chose this game because it's a really good example. Here's actually a list of what basically happened on the Utah possesions at the end of the game
Antoine Carr (pick and post)
Antione Carr (pick and Post, then he fouled out. Carr was actually a really good scorer though, and creating plays for him at the end of games was not uncommon)
Stockton-Malone (unsucessful pick and roll)
Malone (successful baseline pick, Malone fails to catch the pass)
Malone (perfect example of him unbeing able to get good position alone)
Stockton (7 seconds left, comes off screen and forces up a shot)
Malone (succesful cut to the post, makes tough shot)
Stockton-CHambers (Semi successful pick and roll, Hornacek fouled goes to the line)
Stockton-Malone (pick and pop Malone sits at the three point line and misses)
The issues was plainly obvious. Because Malone did not create for the team other guys had to come out and try to create, who were not 1st option scorers. All but 1 of his 4 attempts to scor were complete failures, and that was not uncommon. He was better in 97 and 98, but he was just not a scorer in the sense that he could go out and create for his team mates in the end of games.
Also, that might be the longest post I've ever written.

[gengiskhan]

01- bean
03- bean
06- bean
07 bean

MVP for what

'01- bean for sucking Shaq's 12" peeeenas.
'03- bean for sucking Shaq's 12" peeeenaaas again.
'06- bean for worse FG% ever on Lakers starting line up.
'07- bean for loosing the POs 3-4 after being up 3-1

:roll: :applause: :roll: :applause: :roll: :applause: :roll: :applause:

faaaaak dat rapist.

[NumberSix]

1999-2000: Kobe
2000-2001: Kobe
2001-2002: Kobe
2002-2003: Kobe
2003-2004: Kobe
2004-2005: Kobe
2005-2006: Kobe
2006-2007: Kobe
2007-2008: Kobe
2008-2009: Kobe
2009-2010: Kobe
2010-2011: Kobe

[N0Skillz]

1999-2000: Kobe
2000-2001: Kobe
2001-2002: Kobe
2002-2003: Kobe
2003-2004: Kobe
2004-2005: Kobe
2005-2006: Kobe
2006-2007: Kobe
2007-2008: Kobe
2008-2009: Kobe
2009-2010: Kobe
2010-2011: Kobe


Correct Answer

[The-Legend-24]

1996-1997: Kobe
1997-1998: Kobe
1998-1999: Kobe
1999-2000: Kobe
2000-2001: Kobe
2001-2002: Kobe
2002-2003: Kobe
2003-2004: Kobe
2004-2005: Kobe
2005-2006: Kobe
2006-2007: Kobe
2007-2008: Kobe
2008-2009: Kobe
2009-2010: Kobe
2010-2011: Kobe
That looks about right. :cheers:

[OmniStrife]

That looks about right. :cheers:
HURR DURR... THASS RIGHTT!!

http://i.imgur.com/FYy0e.jpg


:facepalm

[Doranku]

1999-2000: Kobe
2000-2001: Kobe
2001-2002: Kobe
2002-2003: Kobe
2003-2004: Kobe
2004-2005: Kobe
2005-2006: Kobe Kobe
2006-2007: Kobe
2007-2008: Kobe
2008-2009: Kobe
2009-2010: Kobe
2010-2011: Kobe

The closest to being correct answer in this thread. Fixed for accuracy. Kobe actually deserved two MVPs for his '05-06 season, but you almost had it right.

[All Net]

HURR DURR... THASS RIGHTT!!

http://i.imgur.com/FYy0e.jpg


:facepalm
I shouldn't but
:oldlol:

[z14h]

Agree with the 2010-2011 one, bro.

[amfirst]

didnt Joe Johnson shit on Wade in the 1st round only to get shitted on by Delonte West in the 2nd? :lol

Don't forget Rose craped on Wade many times. Wade had to team up with LeBron and Bosh to take him down.