Column: A new Dirk Nowitzki? Not so much

[insidehoops]

This just in: Dirk Nowitzki is now and has been a phenomenal postseason performer

[jlauber]

:cheers:

[kaiiu]

Junk removed

[ImmortalNemesis]

Good read. This is what DMAVS41 and other Maverick fans have been saying all along. Its no secret Dirk has been pretty spectacular throughout his entire career, but people like to label him a "choker" or "soft" for no legit reason. Dirk has always been great in the playoffs.

[Haymaker]

Its not just about stats. The guy is playing amazing, getting his team involved, playing better defense and being a leader.

[thomaspynchon]

Hell yeah!

[bmulls]

I am a long time Mavs fan, and I agree he has been seriously underrated all along. But you can't deny he is playing on a new level.

He is on a mission, he's unshakable. He's intimidating like he's never been before.

[-playmaker-]

best post/thread you have ever made...

[Skep]

Dirk holding it down for us Germans :cheers: :banana:

[AfroSamurai]

That is one badass German. He deserves a title for his consistency.

[kentatm]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2477967/dirk-moses-o.gif

[chains5000]

Great article

[The Judge]

http://www.gifsoup.com/view5/2477967/dirk-moses-o.gif

haha what is this?

[kentatm]

haha what is this?

The German Moses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU6UHBYJOUw&feature=related)


Why Dirk is great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR9KwFpCvU)

[MavsPoke]

Great column. You nailed this one.

:cheers:

[DMAVS41]

Good stuff. I guess this is the best place to post this:

http://www.backpicks.com/2011/05/18/high-volume-and-variance-playoff-edition-part-i/

Some key parts.

Dirk has shot over 60% TS in 44.2% of his playoff games. The highest percentage out of any player since 1991. Wade is 2nd at 43.8%.

Now for the really good stuff:

When Dirk has a poor game shooting. Under 50% TS....The Mavs have won only 16.7% of their playoff games. That is by far the worst win percentage compared to other players when shooting under 50% TS.

Other examples of win percentage when shooting under 50% TS:

Lebron's teams win 36.4%
Wade's teams win 31.3%
Kobe's teams win 45.5%

Again.....Dirks' teams win 16.7% of the time. Dallas is 5-25 in the playoff games this has happened.

Just another statistical view on how much the Mavs have historically relied on Dirk. If Dirk has an off night, the Mavs win less than any other team led by a superstar player since 1991.

This is why so many of us have tried to explain the lack of help Dirk has had compared to the other greats. This is what happens when there is no true reliable 2nd option.

Anyway, just thought this was a good place to post this new info. So glad Dirk is finally getting his credit. I hope he keeps it up.
:cheers:

[Nero Tulip]

Good read. This is what DMAVS41 and other Maverick fans have been saying all along. Its no secret Dirk has been pretty spectacular throughout his entire career, but people like to label him a "choker" or "soft" for no legit reason. Dirk has always been great in the playoffs.

I mostly remember him bashing the Mavs and saying Dirk is not that great, so it's funny to read that. Must be the worst fan ever if he's really a Dallas fan.

[DMAVS41]

I mostly remember him bashing the Mavs and saying Dirk is not that great, so it's funny to read that. Must be the worst fan ever if he's really a Dallas fan.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rake2204]

I am thankful for the spread of the gospel. Dirk is magnificent.

[Scoooter]

Good stuff. I guess this is the best place to post this:

http://www.backpicks.com/2011/05/18/high-volume-and-variance-playoff-edition-part-i/

Some key parts.

Dirk has shot over 60% TS in 44.2% of his playoff games. The highest percentage out of any player since 1991. Wade is 2nd at 43.8%.

Now for the really good stuff:

When Dirk has a poor game shooting. Under 50% TS....The Mavs have won only 16.7% of their playoff games. That is by far the worst win percentage compared to other players when shooting under 50% TS.

Other examples of win percentage when shooting under 50% TS:

Lebron's teams win 36.4%
Wade's teams win 31.3%
Kobe's teams win 45.5%

Again.....Dirks' teams win 16.7% of the time. Dallas is 5-25 in the playoff games this has happened.

Just another statistical view on how much the Mavs have historically relied on Dirk. If Dirk has an off night, the Mavs win less than any other team led by a superstar player since 1991.

This is why so many of us have tried to explain the lack of help Dirk has had compared to the other greats. This is what happens when there is no true reliable 2nd option.

Anyway, just thought this was a good place to post this new info. So glad Dirk is finally getting his credit. I hope he keeps it up.
:cheers:
Werd. :applause:

[Harion]

now to write an article on how Lebron is not a quitter...

[LBJ4MVP23]

Fantastic article.

It just illustrates what I have always said, check statistics because one's memory is worthless, and rings are overrated.

We remember the last sportscenter highlight, or the last game, or remember only a player's makes at the buzzer, not the dozens of misses. This is why you check stats because Dirk didn't become awesome over night. This isnt a coming out party. He's an incredible basketball player an has been doing his thing year after year. One of the most consistent basketball players ever.

Secondly rings are overrated. A guy scoring 30+ on 50%+ shooting is doing everything he can to help his team. KG is KG is Kg. The difference is he got incredible help, but at an advanced stage of his career.

This why I will laugh when LBJ goes from good player to all time legend because of one stupid ring. LBJ is LBJ is LBJ, but now he has talent around him. I wish people would look at a player with a more analytical eye rather than just wait for that piece of jewelry to crown them. Circumstances, more so than player ability, dictate rings. But individual greatness is all about the player.

[DMAVS41]

Fantastic article.

It just illustrates what I have always said, check statistics because one's memory is worthless, and rings are overrated.

We remember the last sportscenter highlight, or the last game, or remember only a player's makes at the buzzer, not the dozens of misses. This is why you check stats because Dirk didn't become awesome over night. This isnt a coming out party. He's an incredible basketball player an has been doing his thing year after year. One of the most consistent basketball players ever.

Secondly rings are overrated. A guy scoring 30+ on 50%+ shooting is doing everything he can to help his team. KG is KG is Kg. The difference is he got incredible help, but at an advanced stage of his career.

This why I will laugh when LBJ goes from good player to all time legend because of one stupid ring. LBJ is LBJ is LBJ, but now he has talent around him. I wish people would look at a player with a more analytical eye rather than just wait for that piece of jewelry to crown them. Circumstances, more so than player ability, dictate rings. But individual greatness is all about the player.


Did you see my post about how little help Dirk has had compared to the other great players since 1991. Its a joke. Check out that article.....its staggering how dependent the Mavs are on Dirk. Its significantly more than any player of the last 20 years.

[Dave3]

Meh...
Everyone who agrees with this article didn't need it because they already knew Dirk has been a great performer. Everyone else will go back to labelling him a choker the next time Dallas loses a game, regardless of how many time he's played well, calling him "soft" etc. NBA fans are some of the most fickle minded ones I've ever seen (and especially ISH)

[thomaspynchon]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think he may be right here, man.

[Yung D-Will]

I said the same thing on my Facbook during the game. And I quote " People act like Dirk hasn't been doing this every year of his career"

[BarberSchool]

Why Dirk is great (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR9KwFpCvU)"He speak fluent EVERYTHING.....He doesn't Bleep and Blop, he make a English to you......and then a he dunks on it !!"

:roll: :roll:

"He does not just think outside the box.......he eats the box, and poops it out, and then makes a milkshake, and makes you drink that !!"
:wtf: :roll:

[BarberSchool]

But in all seriousness, that is a good article except for the Webber hating. Webber was a great player.

Nowitzki has been a great player for over a decade ,and is just now hitting his full peak, moving from a great player to a legend.

[Nastradamus]

terrible article considering how him and Terry both came out and said that Avery changed Dirk by making him post up more and shoot less 3s. He got him to emphasize playing D, leading and being tough and strong down low. He's still a shoooter/scorer in the end, but he's a much more complete player now.

[ImmortalNemesis]

I mostly remember him bashing the Mavs and saying Dirk is not that great, so it's funny to read that. Must be the worst fan ever if he's really a Dallas fan.

You clearly have an agenda against him. If anything, he gets a lot of heat for being a Dirk fan. He constantly gets trashed on by the board (most of them are Laker fans) for defending Dirk Nowitzki. For example... He kept on saying Dirk was better than Kobe in the clutch and the entire board laughed at him. You don't know shit. He also said when Dirk retires he'll be a top 25 player ever, and people laughed at him again.

[DMAVS41]

You clearly have an agenda against him. If anything, he gets a lot of heat for being a Dirk fan. He constantly gets trashed on by the board (most of them are Laker fans) for defending Dirk Nowitzki. For example... He kept on saying Dirk was better than Kobe in the clutch and the entire board laughed at him. You don't know shit. He also said when Dirk retires he'll be a top 25 player ever, and people laughed at him again.

Only on ISH......I'm accused of being a Dirk homer all the time. Now I'm not a Dirk fan.....what?

Its hilarious. Talk about being ahead of the curve. I've been saying these things about Dirk for years.....but especially on here all year.

Dirk and the Mavs actually clutch? Said it all year. Laughed at.
Dirk top 25 all time when he's done? Said it all year. Laughed at.

The only thing I've been behind the curve on is the rest of these guys on the team. But I love continuing to be amaze by Terry and Barea. The simple fact remains that this Mavs team is not as good as we are playing. There was a reason people thought we would lost to the Blazers (me included) and why other fans wanted the Mavs in the playoffs.

Its a sad day here when you have to be a blatant homer to prove what kind of fan you are.

And that study I posted just proves my points I've made all year. Now there is a ton evidence for that. Dirk's help compared to the other great players of the las 20 years has been a joke. Just check the numbers. When Dirk plays a subpar game, the Mavs win less than any other team on that list. 17% of the time the Mavs win when Dirk is off. Compare that to Kobe. Kobe's teams win 45% of the time.

LOL.....and people have the audacity to claim Dirk has played with similar help. What?

But mark my words, if Dirk ever plays a poor game or the Mavs lose......all of this talk will stop and you'll get the same idiotic posters here and people in the media trying to tear him down.

[kentatm]

Only on ISH......I'm accused of being a Dirk homer all the time. Now I'm not a Dirk fan.....what?

Its hilarious. Talk about being ahead of the curve. I've been saying these things about Dirk for years.....but especially on here all year.

Dirk and the Mavs actually clutch? Said it all year. Laughed at.
Dirk top 25 all time when he's done? Said it all year. Laughed at.

The only thing I've been behind the curve on is the rest of these guys on the team. But I love continuing to be amaze by Terry and Barea. The simple fact remains that this Mavs team is not as good as we are playing. There was a reason people thought we would lost to the Blazers (me included) and why other fans wanted the Mavs in the playoffs.

Its a sad day here when you have to be a blatant homer to prove what kind of fan you are.

And that study I posted just proves my points I've made all year. Now there is a ton evidence for that. Dirk's help compared to the other great players of the las 20 years has been a joke. Just check the numbers. When Dirk plays a subpar game, the Mavs win less than any other team on that list. 17% of the time the Mavs win when Dirk is off. Compare that to Kobe. Kobe's teams win 45% of the time.

LOL.....and people have the audacity to claim Dirk has played with similar help. What?

But mark my words, if Dirk ever plays a poor game or the Mavs lose......all of this talk will stop and you'll get the same idiotic posters here and people in the media trying to tear him down.

preach on!

:cheers:

[LBJWADE]

Dirk is something else:applause:

[LBJ_MVP09]

So many people are idiots and only judge players on winning series and getting rings. Dirk is not really playing any better than he ever does, his team is just winning now because they have the right pieces. Dirk always puts up numbers like that, see game 1 of RD. 1 last year. 12/14 and 36 points. He's a consistent, efficient, clutch playoff performer and always has been. (Except for GoldenState I suppose).

[creepingdeath]

...

[STATUTORY]

still the same old Dirk

choked when the game's on the line. I'm rooting for him though but it's like a Greek tragedy you already know what's gonna happen

[DMAVS41]

still the same old Dirk

choked when the game's on the line. I'm rooting for him though but it's like a Greek tragedy you already know what's gonna happen

not sure if serious.

down 6 and dirk scored 2 points. thats not choking. you need to look up the definition.

how many did Dirk have in the 4th? 16?

Holy shit.

Why are the standards so high for such a bad player? Think about it.

[Basketball Dirk]

still the same old Dirk

choked when the game's on the line. I'm rooting for him though but it's like a Greek tragedy you already know what's gonna happen

The game was pretty much over and Dirk makes a smart move and goes to the line for 3 free throws and misses one, and now he gets hated on for it.

:hammerhead:

[DMAVS41]

Only on ISH......I'm accused of being a Dirk homer all the time. Now I'm not a Dirk fan.....what?

Its hilarious. Talk about being ahead of the curve. I've been saying these things about Dirk for years.....but especially on here all year.

Dirk and the Mavs actually clutch? Said it all year. Laughed at.
Dirk top 25 all time when he's done? Said it all year. Laughed at.

The only thing I've been behind the curve on is the rest of these guys on the team. But I love continuing to be amaze by Terry and Barea. The simple fact remains that this Mavs team is not as good as we are playing. There was a reason people thought we would lost to the Blazers (me included) and why other fans wanted the Mavs in the playoffs.

Its a sad day here when you have to be a blatant homer to prove what kind of fan you are.

And that study I posted just proves my points I've made all year. Now there is a ton evidence for that. Dirk's help compared to the other great players of the las 20 years has been a joke. Just check the numbers. When Dirk plays a subpar game, the Mavs win less than any other team on that list. 17% of the time the Mavs win when Dirk is off. Compare that to Kobe. Kobe's teams win 45% of the time.

LOL.....and people have the audacity to claim Dirk has played with similar help. What?

But mark my words, if Dirk ever plays a poor game or the Mavs lose......all of this talk will stop and you'll get the same idiotic posters here and people in the media trying to tear him down.



Did I call it or what?

Told you. Being called a choker after a great 4th qtr and once again got no help in a loss. As usual.

[Basketball Dirk]

[/B]


Did I call it or what?

Told you. Being called a choker after a great 4th qtr and once again got no help in a loss. As usual.

He stepped up in the 4th and made a big time 3 free throw play when it was pretty much over. And now he gets called a choker for missing one of them. It's not like this play was even expected. He made a smart move and came just short of making it a 3 point game and gets hated on for it. Unbelievable.

:hammerhead:

[DMAVS41]

He stepped up in the 4th and made a big time 3 free throw play when it was pretty much over. And now he gets called a choker for missing one of them. It's not like this play was even expected. He made a smart move and came just short of making it a 3 point game and gets hated on for it. Unbelievable.

:hammerhead:

its been happening his entire career. no matter what he does. what people don't realize is that its clutch to score 2 points out of that possession....thats clutch.

missing the free throw hurt our chances a little, but lets not act like it decided the game. you can't choke being down 6 there. its impossible. you have to actually be in position to win or tie a game to choke.....people really need to look up the definition of the word. they are confused.

[jlauber]

[/B]


Did I call it or what?

Told you. Being called a choker after a great 4th qtr and once again got no help in a loss. As usual.

Just unbelieveable. I can just see it now. Somehow the Mavs win this series, and play Miami in the Finals. Dirk will have a great series (maybe 35, 12, .575 or so), and in game seven, he will put up a 45 point game, ...BUT, he will miss a game winning shot from 28 ft. while being double-teamed, his team will lose the game...

and this site will be inundated with Dirk "the choker" posts.

Deja vu...

reminds me so much of Wilt's career. No matter what he did, it was never enough. And no matter how poorly his teammates were, or how poorly they played...it was ALWAYS Wilt's fault when his team lost.

I am praying that Dirk wins a ring this year. Otherwise, he may never win one, and he will always be labeled a "choker." Years from now, whenever a player has an awful game, or post-season, the media will say that that player "pulled a Nowitzki."

I am just so sick of this nonsense.

[DMAVS41]

Just unbelieveable. I can just see it now. Somehow the Mavs win this series, and play Miami in the Finals. Dirk will have a great series (maybe 35, 12, .575 or so), and in game seven, he will put up a 45 point game, ...BUT, he will miss a game winning shot from 28 ft. while being double-teamed, his team will lose the game...

and this site will be inundated with Dirk "the choker" posts.

Deja vu...

reminds me so much of Wilt's career. No matter what he did, it was never enough. And no matter how poorly his teammates were, or how poorly they played...it was ALWAYS Wilt's fault when his team lost.

I am praying that Dirk wins a ring this year. Otherwise, he may never win one, and he will always be labeled a "choker." Years from now, whenever a player has an awful game, or post-season, the media will say that that player "pulled a Nowitzki."

I am just so sick of this nonsense.


29 points on 10 of 17 shooting and 16 4th qtr points. and he's being blamed.

meanwhile

kidd/marion/terry/stevenson combine for:

12 of 38 shooting and the perimeter defense gets rocked by harden/maynor.

hilarious. i almost enjoy it now. its so absurd its hard not to just laugh.

[DMAVS41]

Just unbelieveable. I can just see it now. Somehow the Mavs win this series, and play Miami in the Finals. Dirk will have a great series (maybe 35, 12, .575 or so), and in game seven, he will put up a 45 point game, ...BUT, he will miss a game winning shot from 28 ft. while being double-teamed, his team will lose the game...

and this site will be inundated with Dirk "the choker" posts.

Deja vu...

reminds me so much of Wilt's career. No matter what he did, it was never enough. And no matter how poorly his teammates were, or how poorly they played...it was ALWAYS Wilt's fault when his team lost.

I am praying that Dirk wins a ring this year. Otherwise, he may never win one, and he will always be labeled a "choker." Years from now, whenever a player has an awful game, or post-season, the media will say that that player "pulled a Nowitzki."

I am just so sick of this nonsense.

They are now claiming that Terry was better than Dirk in 06.......

Did I call this or what. I told everyone here what would happen, but its even worse than I expected. Now people are trying to claim that Jason Terry was "the man" on the 06 Mavs. Wow.