how good was Chris Mullin ?

[DatDudeD]

I was reading throught the 2nd greatest white player thread and i was curious about chris mullin, i didnt really see him play that often but i know he was a great player, i saw a mix on him and he was the most athletic player but he was very skillful, beautiful shot, good handles and he was suprisingly quick. I just wanted to know how good he actually was ?
Mullin Mix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_je5lfF_ow&feature=related

[Go Getter]

Mullin was a real problem...best ball player in St. John's history.

He could have been much much better if he wasn't a lush though.

{I played HS basketball in IN and I used to hear how he was out there with Shawn Kemp getting wasted}

I don't think he's a good enough defender at his position to be put up that high in the rankings.

[sh0wtime]

He is probably the most underrated player in NBA history.

[Manute for Ever!]

One of my favourite players of the later 80's, early 90's, amazing shooter. Again, imagine how good he'd have been if he could've stayed off the booze early in his career.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RaOrchOImw8/TDU_TAtFLoI/AAAAAAAAk2E/9IcE2-HCXkE/s400/Manute+Bol.sports.jpg

[DatDudeD]

One of my favourite players of the later 80's, early 90's, amazing shooter. Again, imagine how good he'd have been if he could've stayed off the booze early in his career.

yeah i read about how he was a bit of a alcoholic, damn that sucks. Minus the booze how good of a career would he have had ?

[Nash-tastic]

Extremely good shooter, but thats about it, defensively he wasn't that good

[billybadass]

as good as ginobili

[Maga_1]

He was a great handler? I just saw highlights, and it was all about shooting skills.

[blondie]

as good as ginobili
blasphemy, mullin wasnt on manu's level

[PurpleChuck]

blasphemy, mullin wasnt on manu's level
:facepalm

[necya]

2 things : injuries and warriors management...
damn, this guy is one of the most skilled and intelligent player i've ever seen.
those who talk about his denfense obviously don't remember he read the offense very well and knew how to put his body between the player and the basket. after that, the team was difficult to coach and Nelson has always been a weird coach to me. it was ridiculous to have tim (who held the ball too much imo) mitch, chris, elie and marciulionis. too much talent...

is there someone who remember how he destroyed with a lot of style the Jazz in 89 playoffs?

he really deserved an other career, wasted talent, fu$$ing injuries...

[Go Getter]

2 things : injuries and warriors management...
damn, this guy is one of the most skilled and intelligent player i've ever seen.
those who talk about his denfense obviously don't remember he read the offense very well and knew how to put his body between the player and the basket. after that, the team was difficult to coach and Nelson has always been a weird coach to me. it was ridiculous to have tim (who held the ball too much imo) mitch, chris, elie and marciulionis. too much talent...

is there someone who remember how he destroyed with a lot of style the Jazz in 89 playoffs?

he really deserved an other career, wasted talent, fu$$ing injuries...


...and he was an alcoholic.

[necya]

...and he was an alcoholic.

25pts per game at 53% drunk, wow that's i call a performance...

do you know him? do you know which days he was drunk? are you perfect?
i prefer a guy with his own social issues than a kevin garnett who doesn't have more than 3 neurons in his fu**ing head but idolized by tons of morons. this world is unfair.

i only take care of players on the court. i couldn't judge the personal choices of someone i don't know.

[Shepseskaf]

as good as ginobili
Mullin is definitely in the conversation as the best pure shooter in history, but he couldn't do all of the things that Manu can. Not much driving ability, or being able to put a team on his back without somebody feeding him the ball.

[Bigsmoke]

he was a beast

[Scal]

Mullin was a great pure shooter. 50% from the field, 38% from behind the arc, 87% free throws. Shame that most of his career was spent in a Warriors uniform (alright, so maybe they weren't too bad in the Run-TMC days).

And for some reason I always seem to remember he was on the Dream Team, bacause he sticks out like a sore thumb (with Laettner).

[Sarcastic]

Best left handed shooter of all time.

[Calabis]

Mullin is definitely in the conversation as the best pure shooter in history, but he couldn't do all of the things that Manu can. Not much driving ability, or being able to put a team on his back without somebody feeding him the ball.

I'll take prime Mullin over Manu, his teammate Sarunas Marciulionis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumWbJomIS4) was every bit as good as Manu

here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRjtw5KKaM)

eerie how similar they are

[necya]

I'll take prime Mullin over Manu, his teammate Sarunas Marciulionis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumWbJomIS4) was every bit as good as Manu

here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRjtw5KKaM)

eerie how similar they are


yeah, i have about 50 games of Sarunas, and i will pick him over ginobili.
18 years ago, it was not in the mind to start with european players on the court. but this guy could start for most of the team back in the days and would start for evry team today. the way he handled the ball, his creativity, his efficiency, his shoot, playing uptempo...i miss him
unfortunately, Karl didn't give him his chance in the 95 playoffs

[DGARAS]

yeah, i have about 50 games of Sarunas, and i will pick him over ginobili.
18 years ago, it was not in the mind to start with european players on the court. but this guy could start for most of the team back in the days and would start for evry team today. the way he handled the ball, his creativity, his efficiency, his shoot, playing uptempo...i miss him
unfortunately, Karl didn't give him his chance in the 95 playoffs

You have 50 games?! Why don't you upload the damn things. You know how rare footage of him is? Come on. Do something for the community.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Extremely good shooter, but thats about it, defensively he wasn't that good

No, that's not "it." He was also a great passer and a great SCORER (not just shooter) in general. Great player who could fit in a variety of contexts. I'd probably take him over a guy like Aguirre or Dantley prime vs. prime.

[DatWasNashty]

There was a time in the early 1990s where Mullin was considered the best SF in the league. Pippen hadn't quite developed into the defensive monster and offensively skilled player he'd turn into during the mid 1990s. Bird had several injury issues and his game was clearly on the decline. Nique wasn't having much team success hence why people didn't think of him that highly. Worthy was on the decline as well after a few ankle injuries and making deep playoff runs. So, Mullin seized the opportunity and rose to the top with his peak being around 1992 where he was named to the Dream Team and the All-NBA first team.

I enjoyed watching him play. Terrific shooter from all ranges; one of the best I've ever seen. He could also pass really well and played point forward on occasion with Hardaway resting or playing off-ball. Definitely had good court vision.

His jumper was smooth as butter ... dude was wet with that left-handed stroke. Really crafty as well making impossible spin shots by flipping the ball to the basket from all angles (underneath the rim, over bigger defenders etc). Could hit runners, floaters and finished really well with contact due to supreme concentration. He also moved really well off-ball being in the right spot at the right time. Would hit that spot up, catch and shoot jumper in the blink of an eye.

Underrated defender too. He had really quick hands that resulted in a lot of steals and deflections. Played the passing lanes really well and stripped people straight up although his man defense wasn't the greatest. He had trouble guarding penetrating and explosive small forwards.

One thing that always amazed me was his consistency. You knew what you were going to get from him every night. My favorite memory of him is his play in G2 of the Warriors/Lakers showdown in the 1991 playoffs where he absolutely abused Magic Johnson which led to Magic comparing his game to the legendary ... Larry Bird.

[necya]

You have 50 games?! Why don't you upload the damn things. You know how rare footage of him is? Come on. Do something for the community.

i have uploaded freely more than 200 of my games (some i have bought) on the net and i think it's enough...
i have 16 of his 17 playoffs games anyway.

[Lakerlove420]

dude could shoot. pretty much from anywhere

[SinJackal]

Mullin was a beast of a player. Very good shooter, had deceptively good dribbles, and decent length as well. As many others said though, guy was a straight up drunk. It's too bad since he could've been 10-15% better if he just kept working hard rather than get caught up in that lifestyle.



yeah, i have about 50 games of Sarunas, and i will pick him over ginobili.
18 years ago, it was not in the mind to start with european players on the court. but this guy could start for most of the team back in the days and would start for evry team today. the way he handled the ball, his creativity, his efficiency, his shoot, playing uptempo...i miss him
unfortunately, Karl didn't give him his chance in the 95 playoffs

Nah. Sarunas's best two years (only two years there's even a case that he could be even close to as good as Manu), barely match up with an average Manu year.

Sarunas was good, and underappreciated, but he was not Manu. Manu was a better scorer, better shooter, better ballhandler, better passer, better creator, better defender, and even a better rebounder (hustle plays). He is also faster and taller, more athletic. And. . . humorously enough, (first time I think I've ever said this about Manu) was less injury prone as well.

[Kblaze8855]

His passing gets overlooked because of his shooting. He was an outstanding total offensive player and not bad enough on D to really call out. Its part of the white shooter thing though. If you are white, not athletic, and can shoot...people call you a bad defender. I wouldnt put him on Jordan and expect him to hold him to 25. But I wouldnt go into a game worried about where id have to hide him either.

[JG000]

Remarkable shooter (see avi)

[DGARAS]

i have uploaded freely more than 200 of my games (some i have bought) on the net and i think it's enough...
i have 16 of his 17 playoffs games anyway.

Links?

[steve]

Everyone realizes that he's been sober since the late 80s, right? It pretty much coincides with when his career really started to take off. If he didn't have the drinking problem, he probably would've been better those first three years of his career, but it wouldn't have stopped him from getting injured in '93.

[Shepseskaf]

And for some reason I always seem to remember he was on the Dream Team, bacause he sticks out like a sore thumb (with Laettner).
Mullin was an essential part of that team -- a pure zone-buster who would play off of all of the penetrators they had on that squad. Turns out that the team was so overwhelming that his skills weren't that much in demand, but he still had some good moments in the Gold Medal run.

Please don't put him and Laettner in the same sentence. Nothing in common, other than skin color. Mullin belonged on that team.

[Shep]

at his best ('89) he was the third best small forward in the nba

[jn2rons]

Your age should be displayed on threads like this. No one under 30 can legitimately answer this question, and retain any of their credibility.

I can remember him in College, when St. Johns was a perennial power in the Big East. Alchy or not, he was a 2-3 time All American in college.

Trying to think of who to compare him to.....
Shorter Kevin Durant??
Less Athletic Carmelo??
Andre Miller with WAYY more range??

Can't really think of anyone :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

He's that dude in the park that kills EVERYBODY and nobody knows why.

He isn't fast (but quick enough)
He can't jump (but has great timing)
He isn't built (but is strong)
He doesn't have a killer crossover (but is always beating you to the rim)
He doesn't have hang time (yet can make some crazy layups)

And sure... his shot is 'wet' but there's many players with a great shot, he just happens to be very crafty and knows how to get it off in time, from anywhere on the court and from many positions.

People keep saying that he was a bad defender, but he wasn't.

He knew how to position himself, was tough, and had great timing. I hate to be the person to bring it up, but the rules back then allowed him to be an effective defender. Of course, today he'd be murdered in the perimeter, but back then he could be effective enough since he could be physical.

if he were to play today, he'd be an all star every year (not sure if the fans'll vote him to start tho).

A decent comparison today, would be a smarter, tougher, stronger Torkaglu with a better all around game and a better defensive game.

Imagine if Torkaglu didn't rely on the 3pt shot and instead was smarter at setting up his game, driving, posting up, hitting mid range runners, pull ups, fadeaways from anywhere on the court, spinning shots, etc.etc. he'd be killing and would be a perennial all star every year, not just a long distance threat.

[Xiao Yao You]

I always thought of him as a 6'5" version of Bird. He was a player not just a shooter.

[the_wise_one]

Mullin was an essential part of that team -- a pure zone-buster who would play off of all of the penetrators they had on that squad. Turns out that the team was so overwhelming that his skills weren't that much in demand, but he still had some good moments in the Gold Medal run.

Please don't put him and Laettner in the same sentence. Nothing in common, other than skin color. Mullin belonged on that team.

So did Laettner. Dude was top 5 college players of all time. Whatever transpired in the NBA is not relevant to him being selected into the dream team. He deserved it way more than Shaq.

[Harison]

Good shooter, intelligent player... just not intelligent enough to stay away from alcohol. :( I Loved to watch him along with Hardaway and Marciulionis.

[Harison]

do you know him? do you know which days he was drunk? are you perfect?
i prefer a guy with his own social issues than a kevin garnett who doesn't have more than 3 neurons in his fu**ing head but idolized by tons of morons. this world is unfair.

i only take care of players on the court. i couldn't judge the personal choices of someone i don't know.
First you say you dont care about players off the court, then you say KG is a moron :facepalm Garnett has very high BBIQ (same applies to another antics master Rodman), and if you dont realize it, what does it say about you? :rolleyes:

[Shepseskaf]

So did Laettner. Dude was top 5 college players of all time. Whatever transpired in the NBA is not relevant to him being selected into the dream team. He deserved it way more than Shaq.
I disagree, and so did a lot of other people when Laettner was put on the Dream Team. Nothing personal, I just don't think that a "sympathy" position for one college player should have been part of the picture. When pros were allowed to compete in the '92 Olympics, and the idea was to send the "best of the best", the team should have been entirely composed of elite NBA ballers.

That's what I meant with the comparison to Mullin. Laettner was a pouty kid who hadn't had a chance to prove himself yet in the league. I wouldn't have sent Shaq either.