Derrick Rose looked like poor man's prime Allen Iverson in game 1.

[FIXED]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.

[liquidrage]

Starbury 2.0

Nothing more.

[CeoTypeDoe619]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.
Still had a better game then Lebron if you watched it

[Hammertime]

Geez, that's a lot of unneccesary qualifiers there. Poor man's? Prime? Can't you just say he looked like Iverson?

[liquidrage]

Still had a better game then Lebron if you watched it

Sure did. In You'reAFaireyLand.

[ReturnofJPR]

He should have had at least 6 more free throw attempts. All that running around and only 2 free throw attempts...Bron can thank the refs.

[jasonresno]

AI gets calls.

If Rose got half the calls he should of you could add another 5 to 10 FT attempts in there.

Whatever. Hopefully DRose isn't exhausted for the rest of the series. Even if he isn't getting the calls this is good experience for him. The dudes gonna be a star.

[swstein]

Rose had a good game IMO.

He is carrying a fairly average team on his back.

[Undisputed]

Rose is the focus against the best team in the NBA. He'll be a much improved player after this series, even if it's a sweep. Bad shooting night, yes. Statistically, he played a really good game.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just yeaterday he's the best point in the EC, and now he's getting trashed. In Rose's defense (amd he deserves to be defended) he's 21 years old and trying to lead a team to a level of upset that has only happened once in NBA history. They're not going to win, they don't have nearly enough talent, but Rose did what great players do when faced with overwhelming odds, he tried to take the game over. And if you play one-on-five vs. a great D you're going to have an inefficient statline. But really, you guys with all the criticism, tell us: What should he do? What is the great adjustment he makes to lead the Bulls past Cleveland? HE has to play like that because he is his team's best hope. He's the All-Star, it's his job.

[TheTruth11]

At halftime the greatest Point Guard of All-time, Magic Johnson, said the Bulls have a "SUPERSTAR" on their team in Derrick Rose.

Feast your eyes on that quote haters :oldlol:

When was the last time Allen Iverson had 7 rounds?

And what, his 10 assists were not enough for you?

Somehow I think DRose will be just fine. Lol. And at just 21 years old, like Magic said, the dude is a SUPERSTAR. And guess what haters, the best is yet to come:pimp:

....

[aem]

You have to be a serious hater to start a thread like this after the kid tried to carry his team to some sort of competitive game against the Cavs.

He's 21 years old, leave the kid alone.

[ZenMaster]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.

Funny post.

"28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed."

What? Missed Fields goals and turnovers aren't in the box score?

It's not about what's in the box score, it's about what people look at and put emphasis on.
And if you want to doubt that, then just look at your own statement where you mention the bad stuff he did that's in the box score, yet you say you would have been impressed if you only saw his numbers.

[kidachi]

Still had a better game then Lebron if you watched it

how can a man be this delusional?

[Myth]

Geez, that's a lot of unneccesary qualifiers there. Poor man's? Prime? Can't you just say he looked like Iverson?

Or maybe even just specify he looked like Iverson when Iverson wasn't quite at his prime, or poor man's Iverson.

Hey to bring this guy into the conversation but it just seems like the easiest comparison: But people often try to compare Kobe to Jordan, but most acknowledge that Kobe isn't quite on Jordan's level. You could say Kobe is a poor man's Jordan, or Kobe is like Jordan in [insert non-prime year], but it defeats the purpose of saying "prime" if you also add "poor man's".

[TheTruth11]

Rose was what? 46 % from the field.

Lebron was what? 47% from the field.


28, 10 and 7 --- hell of a game by a 21 year old. A 21 year old who was the complete focus of the other team's D. A 21 year old with very little help from his teammates offensively.

Haters will try to compare him to Marbury or some other player who never panned out. Marbury was never as physically gifted as Rose. Marbury was never as big and as powerful as Rose. And, although athletic, he was never as athletic as Rose. And more than that and most importantly, Marbury stopped developing because of his attitude issues. So we will never know how good Marbury could have become because he was his own worst enemy. Rose is the exact opposite. A winner with a will to win and incessant desire to get better. A gym rat.

Rose is.... well.... Rose. A first of a kind.
.....

[xOShakespearexO]

Stephon Marbury 2.0

nevermind someone beat me to it. At least we know somewhere in the world. Marbury had to have said that looks a lot like me in my prime.

http://news.about-knowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/stephon-marbury-webcast.jpg

I think we forget that Marbury had amazing stats 24 ppg 8 assists 3 rebounds for almost 5 years straight.

[Jailblazers7]

He took 28 shots because he had to. There simply isn't enough offense talent on the bulls for them to beat the cavs without him carrying the offense. Who else can create for themselves on that team? Deng? Hinrich?

Maybe they'd have a shot if John salmons was still on the team because he was actually a threat to score and create.

[NLZ]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay. "Poor mans Iverson" would be considered a compliment to most, but not to you so for reason.

[joyner82]

28,7, and 10 on 46% shooting

vs

24, 6, and 5 on 47% shooting

[KoRn]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.

the field goal attempts are like AI.

but rose shot 46%, better than AI. has 7 rebounds, better than AI. has 10 assists, better than AI. yeah, he's kinda like AI.

[Pharcyde]

It's amazing sometimes when you look and see how little of freethrows he shoots.

[Papaya Petee]

Haaa you got to be joking right now. The kid is 21 years old and carrying a number 8 seed against the number 1 seed. The kid was litterally carrying his team offensively at times. He was the only one creating his own shot, and was working his ass off on the defensive end as well. He continued being agressive although the refs absolutely treated him like crap today.

He had a great game don't be hating.

[xOShakespearexO]

Haaa you got to be joking right now. The kid is 21 years old and carrying a number 8 seed against the number 1 seed. The kid was litterally carrying his team offensively at times. He was the only one creating his own shot, and was working his ass off on the defensive end as well. He continued being agressive although the refs absolutely treated him like crap today.

He had a great game don't be hating.

Marbury did the same thing. He could carry teams offensively better than Rose could because he had more range.

OP, this is an insult to Allen Iverson. We forget how good Allen Iverson was and it was only 9 years ago.

[airchibundo507]

Rose was phenomenal.

He was a one-man offense. The Cavs gave him space and played him for the drive, yet he drove on them anyway and make a ton of difficult shots.
For all the driving Rose does, he only averaged about 4 FTA on the season, which is unusual. 7 turnovers is terrible, but he played the best defensive team in the league on the road. Give him a break.

Thus said, the Bulls offense is too predictable and sh*tty. None of that goes on Rose, though. Outside of Noah, he just doesn't have any of the right pieces around him.

[STATDunksOn]

Rose was phenomenal.

He was a one-man offense. The Cavs gave him space and played him for the drive, yet he drove on them anyway and make a ton of difficult shots.
For all the driving Rose does, he only averaged about 4 FTA on the season, which is unusual. 7 turnovers is terrible, but he played the best defensive team in the league on the road. Give him a break.

Thus said, the Bulls offense is too predictable and sh*tty. None of that goes on Rose, though. Outside of Noah, he just doesn't have any of the right pieces around him.
Yeah I would say Derrick Rose is better than Melo.

[Papaya Petee]

Marbury did the same thing. He could carry teams offensively better than Rose could because he had more range.

OP, this is an insult to Allen Iverson. We forget how good Allen Iverson was and it was only 9 years ago.

Did Starbury put ridicolous playoff numbers as a rookie and taking the reigning champions to 7 games? Did he score I think it was 36 in his first playoff game?

Did Starbury get a near triple double while playing the arguably best team in the league in the playoffs?

Rose is only 21 years old, and the guy litterally carried his team today. He was their entire offence. Sure he might of over dribbled, but he was still spectacular today.

Sure you can't compare him to Iverson who was great, but you can't diss Rose about his 7 turn overs because he had 10 assists and carried his team offensively. Also he shot 46% FG which is great for a scoring point guard.


Rose was phenomenal.

He was a one-man offense. The Cavs gave him space and played him for the drive, yet he drove on them anyway and make a ton of difficult shots.
For all the driving Rose does, he only averaged about 4 FTA on the season, which is unusual. 7 turnovers is terrible, but he played the best defensive team in the league on the road. Give him a break.

:applause: :cheers:

[Undisputed]

Props to fans of other teams respecting what Rose does. While Rose is already good, he needs to improve on a lot. Some people seem to hold Rose to the standards of a seasoned all-star veteran, and in reality the guy is just trying to find himself still. I don't understand how basketball fans could watch Rose and dislike him. If you don't like the Bulls or prefer someone else from the '08 draft or another point guard in general, how could you not admire his competitive nature? You need a team to win ball games. Rose does his best to win and get the team going. When the Bulls get another significant play maker, the Bulls will be a legit threat in the East.

[liquidrage]

Stephon Marbury 2.0

nevermind someone beat me to it. At least we know somewhere in the world. Marbury had to have said that looks a lot like me in my prime.

http://news.about-knowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/stephon-marbury-webcast.jpg

I think we forget that Marbury had amazing stats 24 ppg 8 assists 3 rebounds for almost 5 years straight.

Marbury was a better playmaker (yeah I know I was the one that compared them earlier) and Rose a better rebounder. But yeah, other similar players. And like Rose he completely dominates the ball. Rose will never be as good as DWill (just giving an example) because Dwill dominates games and makes his teamates better. Rose just dominates the ball and if his shots are falling can dominate a game. But he does crap for his teammates.

[xOShakespearexO]

Did Starbury put ridicolous playoff numbers as a rookie and taking the reigning champions to 7 games? Did he score I think it was 36 in his first playoff game?

Did Starbury get a near triple double while playing the arguably best team in the league in the playoffs?

Rose is only 21 years old, and the guy litterally carried his team today. He was their entire offence. Sure he might of over dribbled, but he was still spectacular today.

Sure you can't compare him to Iverson who was great, but you can't diss Rose about his 7 turn overs because he had 10 assists and carried his team offensively. Also he shot 46% FG which is great for a scoring point guard.



:applause: :cheers:

Marbury at 21 averaged 21.3 ppg 8.9 apg
We forget how talented Marbury was when he was actually good.

[Papaya Petee]

Marbury at 21 averaged 21.3 ppg 8.9 apg
We forget how talented Marbury was when he was actually good.

How well did he do in playoffs at ages 20-21? Appreciate what Rose is doing at such a young age rather then critizing him especially after having a great game.

[jrong]

I made this point in the game-thread, but as talented as Rose is individually, I'm not sold on him 100% yet because I'm not sure how much of an impact the way he plays has on winning at this point. Of course, I don't expect him to knock out the Cavs, but I also can't believe that during CHI's recent long, long losing streak that, while putting up great individual numbers, he still couldn't get a single game for his team with Noah out of the lineup.

[STATDunksOn]

I made this point in the game-thread, but as talented as Rose is individually, I'm not sold on him 100% yet because I'm not sure how much of an impact the way he plays has on winning at this point. Of course, I don't expect him to knock out the Cavs, but I also can't believe that during CHI's recent long, long losing streak that he couldn't get his team a single game with Noah out of the lineup.
I'm sure Beasley is better.......dumbass. :roll:

[airchibundo507]

I made this point in the game-thread, but as talented as Rose is individually, I'm not sold on him 100% yet because I'm not sure how much of an impact the way he plays has on winning at this point. Of course, I don't expect him to knock out the Cavs, but I also can't believe that during CHI's recent long, long losing streak that, while putting up great individual numbers, he still couldn't get a single game for his team with Noah out of the lineup.

The team is already thin as it is and Noah is an all-star. Are you seriously blaming their losing on Rose?

[ZenMaster]

Marbury at 21 averaged 21.3 ppg 8.9 apg
We forget how talented Marbury was when he was actually good.

What have you done for me lately..........

[liquidrage]

How well did he do in playoffs at ages 20-21? Appreciate what Rose is doing at such a young age rather then critizing him especially after having a great game.


21-8-4 with 3 TO's was his playoff avg at age 20.


And no, I criticize him. I think the AI comparisons are close. But I like the Marbury one better. We'll see if Rose is ever able to lead a great team. He's the type of PG that's hard to build around because he dominates the ball. Guys like CP, DWill and Nash are elite PG's. Rose is an elite player playing out of position. He's a 2 in a PG body. He has the handles but not the mentality or the vision to be a PG. And I think it's very hard for a team to build a contender around that. I've seen plenty of Rose this year, and while impressive I would take about 8 or 9 PG's in this league over him because he's just one player on the court and one I don't think is conducive to winning ball games.

[jrong]

I'm sure Beasley is better.......dumbass. :roll:

Ok, first, when you use the ROTF emoticon to laugh at your own brainless, juvenile insult, it's pretty weak.

Second, what does Beasley have to do with this? Rose is an all-star, the undisputed best player in his class, and a #1 on his team. Beasley right now isn't in the top five from his draft year.

[xOShakespearexO]

How well did he do in playoffs at ages 20-21? Appreciate what Rose is doing at such a young age rather then critizing him especially after having a great game.
Mabury entered the league at 19 years old. Compared to Rose at 20 years old.
As we know Marbury was never a winner in terms of the W/L, but he was statistical up there and his talent was undeniable. 6'2 very gifted athlete. Maybe not in the air as Rose, he could get up though. He had the speed, agility, lateral quickness though.

At 19 in a sweep loss 0-3. Marbury averaged 21.3 ppg 7.7 apg that series. The only knock on Marbury that you can't give to Rose is Rose shoots such a high FG% compared to marbury. However Marbury got to the line more even at Rose's age, and was a better 3 point shooter.

If you look past Marbury being a cancer, the comparison really is almost identical, but Marbury was by far a better passer. Where Rose was a little more efficient.

[airchibundo507]

21-8-4 with 3 TO's was his playoff avg at age 20.


And no, I criticize him. I think the AI comparisons are close. But I like the Marbury one better. We'll see if Rose is ever able to lead a great team. He's the type of PG that's hard to build around because he dominates the ball. Guys like CP, DWill and Nash are elite PG's. Rose is an elite player playing out of position. He's a 2 in a PG body. He has the handles but not the mentality or the vision to be a PG. And I think it's very hard for a team to build a contender around that. I've seen plenty of Rose this year, and while impressive I would take about 8 or 9 PG's in this league over him because he's just one player on the court and one I don't think is conducive to winning ball games.

Rose doesn't have half the finishers that CP, DWill, and Nash do.

Rose plays on one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league, which of course makes it more difficult for him to penetrate and draw in the defense. Those three "elite" point guards get a ton of assists off of West, Boozer, and Amare. Where is the elite scoring big on the Bulls?

[STATDunksOn]

Ok, first, when you use the ROTF emoticon to laugh at your own brainless, juvenile insult, it's pretty weak.

Second, what does Beasley have to do with this? Rose is an all-star, the undisputed best player in his class, and a #1 on his team. Beasley right now isn't in the top five from his draft year.
You are a Heat homer, I'm sure you were dismissing Rose because of that.

[jrong]

The team is already thin as it is and Noah is an all-star. Are you seriously blaming their losing on Rose?

No, not at all. Basically, what I'm questioning is whether he's destined for stardom or superstardom. Right now, he's a star, but not a superstar.

[Papaya Petee]

Mabury entered the league at 19 years old. Compared to Rose at 20 years old.
As we know Marbury was never a winner in terms of the W/L, but he was statistical up there and his talent was undeniable. 6'2 very gifted athlete. Maybe not in the air as Rose, he could get up though. He had the speed, agility, lateral quickness though.

At 19 in a sweep loss 0-3. Marbury averaged 21.3 ppg 7.7 apg that series. The only knock on Marbury that you can't give to Rose is Rose shoots such a high FG% compared to marbury. However Marbury got to the line more even at Rose's age, and was a better 3 point shooter.

If you look past Marbury being a cancer, the comparison really is almost identical.

No, the comparison is not identical. Derrick Rose is only 21 years old so you have no way to call him a cancer. Also, he is the only all-star player Chicago Bulls had in the last 2 years, yet he lead them to the playoffs both years and didn't have a losing record any of the two years. The Bulls were on the edge of not making the playoffs, when Rose stepped it up and averaged 26 ppg in the month of April and they had a very good last 7-10 games. Also the one playoff series he had he lost 3-4 to the defending champions in the Boston Celtics who won 60+ games that year. With the offensive talent Rose plays with every day, I am so shocked he even got this far in his first two years.


If thats calling Derrick Rose a cancer, I really don't know what to tell you.

[Lebron23]

He looked like a rich man's prime Steve Francis.

[airchibundo507]

No, not at all. Basically, what I'm questioning is whether he's destined for stardom or superstardom. Right now, he's a star, but not a superstar.
:lol He's not even close to a superstar. That's an elite group. Maybe he can transcend the gap in 2-3 years, but averaging 21/6 on a .500 team isn't anything special.

[jrong]

You are a Heat homer, I'm sure you were dismissing Rose because of that.

I'm not dismissing Rose at all. I'm simply calling into question his leadership ability at this stage. There's absolutely no shame in him not being able to carry a team as new as he is into his career (but, there are superstars that have done it, though-- so, it's just a question what level of star Rose will eventually turn into).

[liquidrage]

Rose doesn't have half the finishers that CP, DWill, and Nash do.

Rose plays on one of the worst outside shooting teams in the league, which of course makes it more difficult for him to penetrate and draw in the defense. Those three "elite" point guards get a ton of assists off of West, Boozer, and Amare. Where is the elite scoring big on the Bulls?

CP and Dwill have crap except for them really. Yeah OK DWill has an inside force, albeit an overrated one. The difference is CP and Dwill get people their stats. The other names on their teams are because they make them, not the other way around.

CP did more then Rose as ever done (and probably will do), and he still is a notch below the top level superstars like Lebron and Wade (though every bit as good as Melo). CP avg'd like 24 11 5 with 3 steals and 2 TO's in a tougher conference in the playoffs at 22. And that Hornets team wasn't anything special without him.

And Rose is a notch below that, and that's ignoring that he's a total shoot first PG, which as I mentioned, is not something I think is good for a team. It can get you past some bad teams, but won't get you in with the big boys (sure AI got to the finals once in a weak conference playing a similar style).

[Batman]

these guys are all haters. Rose outplayed Lebron and is showing why he is better than Lebron and the best player in the league. Stats don't lie, check rose's stats almost a quad druple double if you count turnovers.

[liquidrage]

No, the comparison is not identical. Derrick Rose is only 21 years old so you have no way to call him a cancer. Also, he is the only all-star player Chicago Bulls had in the last 2 years, yet he lead them to the playoffs both years and didn't have a losing record any of the two years. The Bulls were on the edge of not making the playoffs, when Rose stepped it up and averaged 26 ppg in the month of April and they had a very good last 7-10 games. Also the one playoff series he had he lost 3-4 to the defending champions in the Boston Celtics who won 60+ games that year. With the offensive talent Rose plays with every day, I am so shocked he even got this far in his first two years.


If thats calling Derrick Rose a cancer, I really don't know what to tell you.

Learn to read. He clearly called Marbury a cancer not Rose.

[tontoz]

You have to be a serious hater to start a thread like this after the kid tried to carry his team to some sort of competitive game against the Cavs.

He's 21 years old, leave the kid alone.


I don't understand why people feel the need to try and tear down promising young players. This has been going on all season and is certainly not limited to Rose.

I don't get it.

[airchibundo507]

CP and Dwill have crap except for them really. Yeah OK DWill has an inside force, albeit an overrated one. The difference is CP and Dwill get people their stats. The other names on their teams are because they make them, not the other way around.

CP3, DWill, and Nash all have an elite big to run the pick-and-roll with (and all 3 bigs can knock down midrange shots easily) and shooters to space the floor. That is a hell of a lot more than Rose has. Rose is somewhat less passive, but I don't think that the ruling is out on him ever leading a contending team. Again, the team around him is poorly constructed in almost every way.

[jrong]

these guys are all haters. Rose outplayed Lebron and is showing why he is better than Lebron and the best player in the league. Stats don't lie, check rose's stats almost a quad druple double if you count turnovers.

This is the best post ever. I've never had a sig before, but I just might take this post and make it my first.

[B-Easy]

it was a good game .. but the stats are inflated and the game was never close. He dominated the ball all game because no one else could create

-He had 13 made shots and 15 missed shots
-And 10 assists and 7 turnovers...

End result was stretches of great play and stretches of bad play.

[jasonresno]

it was a good game .. but the stats are inflated and the game was never close. He dominated the ball all game because no one else could create

-He had 13 made shots and 15 missed shots
-And 10 assists and 7 turnovers...

End result was stretches of great play and stretches of bad play.
At three or four times the game was down to 7 points...BECAUSE of Rose. How anyone can call out Roses leadership after reeling in a 22 pt Cavs lead is beyond me. On top of that he had a sick crossover and sat LeBron on his ass.

28 pts 10 assists and 7 rebounds....yeah. I'll take that.

[Lebron23]

these guys are all haters. Rose outplayed Lebron and is showing why he is better than Lebron and the best player in the league. Stats don't lie, check rose's stats almost a quad druple double if you count turnovers.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

Learn to read. He clearly called Marbury a cancer not Rose.
He said if Marbury was a cancer Rose is too, and he called Marbury a cancer.

Good try.

[liquidrage]

He said if Marbury was a cancer Rose is too, and he called Marbury a cancer.

Good try.





If you look past Marbury being a cancer, the comparison really is almost identical.



Noah Webster you aren't.

[Pharcyde]

I made this point in the game-thread, but as talented as Rose is individually, I'm not sold on him 100% yet because I'm not sure how much of an impact the way he plays has on winning at this point. Of course, I don't expect him to knock out the Cavs, but I also can't believe that during CHI's recent long, long losing streak that, while putting up great individual numbers, he still couldn't get a single game for his team with Noah out of the lineup.

Well, Luol Deng missed every game, Kirk missed 1 and Rose himself missed 4. It wasn't just Noah.

[phoenix18]

Blame my reading comprehension, are some people here saying that D-Rose>Prime AI? Now I know people didnt come out and say it directly, but pretending as if comparing D-rose to AI is an insult is ABSURD.

What the f*ck? If he's better than prime AI, he's better than(all these are prime):
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Vince Carter
Dirk
and on and on and on...

[OnceInADECADE]

no he said rose is a POOR'S MAN PRIME a.i that is an insulted real talks

36 11 aint good 4 u

[asdf1990]

rose got his weak shit swated by lebron like 3 times that game. therefore lebron > rose

[dr8ked]

AI gets calls.

If Rose got half the calls he should of you could add another 5 to 10 FT attempts in there.

Whatever. Hopefully DRose isn't exhausted for the rest of the series. Even if he isn't getting the calls this is good experience for him. The dudes gonna be a star.


tell him to stop shooting jumpers and stop avoiding contact when he goes into the hole. Iverson loved contact, that why he got calls..

[Bigsmoke]

Starbury 2.0

Nothing more.

Derrick Rose now >>>> Starbury at his greatest peak.

[Jailblazers7]

Blame my reading comprehension, are some people here saying that D-Rose>Prime AI? Now I know people didnt come out and say it directly, but pretending as if comparing D-rose to AI is an insult is ABSURD.

What the f*ck? If he's better than prime AI, he's better than(all these are prime):
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Vince Carter
Dirk
and on and on and on...

I don't think anyone is saying Rose>Prime AI. At least I hope not because that would be a ridiculous statement at this stage of his career and it will be very difficult to be better than prime AI whenever he is actually in his prime.

The AI comparison is totally ridiculous anyway because the only thing the OP found similar in AI was his #'s on a stat sheet. Rose has the size and strength that AI never had due to physical limitations. If you gave AI the extra inches Rose has on him and the physical strength that Rose posess, it would be scary to think what could have done.

[Pharcyde]

avoiding contact when he goes into the hole.

Which wasn't the case at all this game. He was getting clobbered and there still wasn't calls.

[ILLsmak]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.


They might win one game. It's scary how poorly the Cavs shot and still won, though. They didn't just win, they basically owned from start to finish. They were getting lay ups at will. Even the shots the Bulls made were tough shots. The only person who got good looks was Kirk early.

I think Rose sucked, but only because all of his stats came later when there was basically no chance of winning. In the beginning, he got shut down. He had some stupid turnovers, too. Overall, though, I think he'll be able to have a better game 2. But it's gonna be hard for him to get easy shots, so he'll have to work harder.

Edit: From what I saw, Rose only got fouled once and didn't get the call. The rest of them were 50/50 calls. The thing Bulls fans should be complaining about is all of the calls on their bigs in the first half.

-Smak

[Bigsmoke]

He looked like a rich man's prime Steve Francis.

how many teams Francis lead to the playoffs? 0

he has only been to the playoffs 1 times... Derrick Rose been in it 2 times and its only Rose's second season.

Rose also one of the few PGs that shooting 49% and above while Francis is a career 43% shooter.


give me a break.

[Bigsmoke]

Marbury at 21 averaged 21.3 ppg 8.9 apg
We forget how talented Marbury was when he was actually good.

yea... on 43% shooting on a team that finished 16-34


i tired of this shit. Lets see of Rondo would have won that game if he was on the Bulls.

[The Big Skinny]

The game just proved how absolutely garbage the Bulls are outside of D Rose. Its a shame they have no Legit post scorer or solid outside shooter because they could be a good team.

[liquidrage]

Derrick Rose now >>>> Starbury at his greatest peak.

^ Retard

Not even close.

Starbury averaged more. Shot just as good. Got almost as many rebounds. And was 100x more effective in creating plays for teammates.

Rose now is as good as Marbury was at the same age. Marbury just never reached the levels many thought he would.

[Quizno]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.

iverson in his prime put up 31 points on 28 fg attempts per game :oldlol:

**** outta here

[Burgz]

Derrick Rose now >>>> Starbury at his greatest peak.

smh at this comment

stephon marbury in his prime was arguably the best pg in the league

marbury was a more efficient playmaker, scorer and had a better jumpshot

not to say rose wont surpass him, just saying he's not there yet

[Abraham Lincoln]

iverson in his prime put up 31 points on 28 fg attempts per game

**** outta here
He also had a season with 33 points on 25 fg attempts per game with near 8 assists.

[Batz]

How am I not surprised he only attempted 2 FT's? Can anyone explain why I'm not?

[jasonresno]

tell him to stop shooting jumpers and stop avoiding contact when he goes into the hole. Iverson loved contact, that why he got calls..
I'm going to assume you didn't watch the game that way you get outta me thinking you're beyond retarded.

[PP34Deuce]

I see a potentially smarter Steve Francis in Rose. Hes the same mold of Arenas,Prime Francis, and poor mans Wade.

If Chicago could get passing minded lengthy open shooter,they would compliment each other because he is not a PG.

[Bigsmoke]

smh at this comment

stephon marbury in his prime was arguably the best pg in the league

marbury was a more efficient playmaker, scorer and had a better jumpshot

not to say rose wont surpass him, just saying he's not there yet

Stephon Marbury was never arguably the best PG in the league... i would barely even put him over Sam Cassell while you're saying he was some kind of Magic Johnson in the Nets. Rose actually won player of the month this month so i think Rose has a better case for being called the best PG in the league than Marbury ever was.

Marbury was a more efficent playmaker... and that it. Lets not forget that Rose was injured early this season so his stats may not show his actual scoring ability. Rose could score and get to the basket anytime he wants while shooting a nice high %. Stephon would have all the stats and still have his team suck ass... you're saying that Starbury was arguably the best PG while there were other point guards that lead his own team to the finals and best record in the NBA while he couldnt get those same guys to the playoffs/2nd round.

like i said before

Rose now>>>> Marbury at his best

[Bigsmoke]

^ Retard

Not even close.

Starbury averaged more. Shot just as good. Got almost as many rebounds. And was 100x more effective in creating plays for teammates.

Rose now is as good as Marbury was at the same age. Marbury just never reached the levels many thought he would.

they are ****ing point guards... who give a f*ck who rebounds more?

Starbury is a career 43% shooter while rose is a 48%

Sturbury never lead his team to anything. why the **** people keep bringing up his stats when his stats doesnt to much for his team? Nash and Kidd never put up 22 points and 10 assists like Marbury did but yet made Starbury's old team into title contenders.

[phoenix18]

they are ****ing point guards... who give a f*ck who rebounds more?

Starbury is a career 43% shooter while rose is a 48%

Sturbury never lead his team to anything. why the **** people keep bringing up his stats when his stats doesnt to much for his team? Nash and Kidd never put up 22 points and 10 assists like Marbury did but yet made Starbury's old team into title contenders.

Rose has not done anything either so what's your point?

Also, on the whole Jason Kidd and Nash point, those two are top point guards of all time. No shame in being out done by HOF's.

[jasonresno]

Rose has not done anything either so what's your point?

Also, on the whole Jason Kidd and Nash point, those two are top point guards of all time. No shame in being out done by HOF's.
He's led his team to the postseason two consecutive years as a ROTY and a Sophomore All Star.

[Bigsmoke]

Rose has not done anything either so what's your point?

Also, on the whole Jason Kidd and Nash point, those two are top point guards of all time. No shame in being out done by HOF's.

The Bulls are in the Playoffs arent they?

[phoenix18]

He's led his team to the postseason two consecutive years as a ROTY and a Sophomore All Star.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Please explain, how did HE lead his team to the postseason last year?

[Bigsmoke]

He's led his team to the postseason two consecutive years as a ROTY and a Sophomore All Star.

there is no point of arguing. people here always overrated old guys in this site anyway. i laughed when that one dude said Starbury was arguably the best PG at one point. the funniest thing i heard all day.

[phoenix18]

there is no point of arguing. people here always overrated old guys in this site anyway. i laughed when that one dude said Starbury was arguably the best PG at one point. the funniest thing i heard all day.
Well, I'm not that guy so how does that apply to me?

Starbury was in the playoffs his first two seasons as well.

[Bigsmoke]

Well, I'm not that guy so how does that apply to me?

Starbury was in the playoffs his first two seasons as well.

and those Wolves were still making the playoffs after he left too.

that shows how important he was huh.

[phoenix18]

and those Wolves were still making the playoffs after he left too.

that shows how important he was huh.
What does that have to do with anything?:lol

I just shot his point down about being in the playoffs twice in two seasons.

[Bigsmoke]

What does that have to do with anything?:lol

I just shot his point down about being in the playoffs twice in two seasons.

ok good for him. he was the key guy like Rose is. KG was. Derrick Fisher only fell short making the playoffs only one time in his career. there is no point of bringing that weak shit in here this late at night.

[Kellogs4toniee]

The amount of stupidity on this thread is ridiculous. Just reading the comments, more than 75% of the people here have not seen Derrick rose play more than a few games this season. More than half are using him as a scapegoat just so they can elevate back washed up veterans into there prime versions again.

To those who don't consider Rose a good passer? Go actually watch him play. As a sophomore he already is a very capable pick and roll player, and he had brad miller and hakim warrick as his bigs for a good portion of the seasons.

Did u guys watch him play today? Honestly how many of u hater actually watched the game? Whenever the ball wasn't in roses hands, the bulls looked simply lost. He scored 12 straight at one point. Look at his damn team mates, lebron was making a fool out of deng the whole game. Hinrich was not on sync at all. Noah was in foul trouble big time. Rose did what he had to do for most of the season, and that's to produce offense when the rest of the team can not. The turnovers are big... But it's the best defensive team in the league. Hey double and tripled rose every time, even at the perimeter. As someone who actualy watches the bulls, you don't want rose to pass it out to a deng who never spot up shoots and simply drives into a crowded Cleveland center. Or for Rose to pass it out to Gibson for a 20 footer. Simple fact is the bulls have been lost 90% of the time when rose does not have the ball.

Gtfo of here u haters. ISH idiocy at it's max.

[Bigsmoke]

The amount of stupidity on this thread is ridiculous. Just reading the comments, more than 75% of the people here have not seen Derrick rose play more than a few games this season. More than half are using him as a scapegoat just so they can elevate back washed up veterans into there prime versions again.

To those who don't consider Rose a good passer? Go actually watch him play. As a sophomore he already is a very capable pick and roll player, and he had brad miller and hakim warrick as his bigs for a good portion of the seasons.

Did u guys watch him play today? Honestly how many of u hater actually watched the game? Whenever the ball wasn't in roses hands, the bulls looked simply lost. He scored 12 straight at one point. Look at his damn team mates, lebron was making a fool out of deng the whole game. Hinrich was not on sync at all. Noah was in foul trouble big time. Rose did what he had to do for most of the season, and that's to produce offense when the rest of the team can not. The turnovers are big... But it's the best defensive team in the league. Hey double and tripled rose every time, even at the perimeter. As someone who actualy watches the bulls, you don't want rose to pass it out to a deng who never spot up shoots and simply drives into a crowded Cleveland center. Or for Rose to pass it out to Gibson for a 20 footer. Simple fact is the bulls have been lost 90% of the time when rose does not have the ball.

Gtfo of here u haters. ISH idiocy at it's max.

whatever. put prime Marbury in that Bulls team instead of Rose and they would have won that game.

[elaments]

Marbury didn't do anything relevant after leaving Minnesota I don't see why your acting as if he was something amazing, he made all the teams he was on worse after the trades. I think his biggest moment was that all star game where he went off in the 4th... Nothing relevant.

[aem]

Why this thread was even started I will never understand. Some people have nothing better to do than disrespect players. I dont give a **** about what Marbury or anybody else did when they were 21 years old. His name is Derrick Rose not Marbury, not Iverson, Derrick Rose.

He is the only guy who showed up to play Game 1 so instead of knocking him for the effort he gave, knock his team for showing no fight and not making shots.

Derrick has very obvious flaws, but he's improving and again its only his 2nd year, not everyone develops at the same pace.

Call him what you want at the end of his career but leave the kid alone and hope to God he gets a better team around him before you rip the guy apart.

Like I said he has a lot of work to do but hating on him like this is just pathetic.

[burnsy87]

28 FGAs 7 tunovers for a pg, but had good box score numbers 28 points 7 rebs 10 assists.
If i didn't watch the game I would be impressed. Dribbling with 3 guys guarding him. A game like that Iverson would have had at least 45 being in ball hog mode like that.

Phoenix18" Lottery< First round sweep." I have to now agree, there is no way Rose wins a series against a 60+ win team with the best player in the league playing that waay.


So you did watch the game?

You must have failed to notice the horrible shooting from the remainder of the team.

Typical morons on this board with tunnel vision.

If Derrick Rose was not doing what he did today, the Bulls lose by well over 20.

[burnsy87]

Just yeaterday he's the best point in the EC, and now he's getting trashed. In Rose's defense (amd he deserves to be defended) he's 21 years old and trying to lead a team to a level of upset that has only happened once in NBA history. They're not going to win, they don't have nearly enough talent, but Rose did what great players do when faced with overwhelming odds, he tried to take the game over. And if you play one-on-five vs. a great D you're going to have an inefficient statline. But really, you guys with all the criticism, tell us: What should he do? What is the great adjustment he makes to lead the Bulls past Cleveland? HE has to play like that because he is his team's best hope. He's the All-Star, it's his job.


You said it all.

It's funny because if Rose was complacent and just let his team shoot a horrible percentage all game, people would be saying "hes not a superstar, he doesn't even try to take over the game ever".

It wasn't the bad shooting percentage that bothers me at all, it was how sloppy he got with the ball. I did not get to watch the second half but I listened on the radio, and it seemed as if he was just being extremely sloppy.

[Moan]

No way can you blame rose... dude stepped it up and his team did not. Quite astonishing they were as close as they were in the 4th quarter.

[burnsy87]

tell him to stop shooting jumpers and stop avoiding contact when he goes into the hole. Iverson loved contact, that why he got calls..

You honestly believe he doesnt draw contact? How about you watch one NBA game and tell me the refs are consistent.


Every single play that Shaq made a mistake on today, the refs bailed him out. He missed a entry pass, foul. He caught a pass, but stumbled reaching for it, foul.

Rose drew contact a few times at the rim but he didnt get a call.

Refs have their bias, there is no denying it. In a year or two, Rose will be getting many more calls.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Rose least tried to attack and gets shots up. He may shoot a poor % this series but least he is trying to make things happen.

[burnsy87]

They might win one game. It's scary how poorly the Cavs shot and still won, though. They didn't just win, they basically owned from start to finish. They were getting lay ups at will. Even the shots the Bulls made were tough shots. The only person who got good looks was Kirk early.

I think Rose sucked, but only because all of his stats came later when there was basically no chance of winning. In the beginning, he got shut down. He had some stupid turnovers, too. Overall, though, I think he'll be able to have a better game 2. But it's gonna be hard for him to get easy shots, so he'll have to work harder.

Edit: From what I saw, Rose only got fouled once and didn't get the call. The rest of them were 50/50 calls. The thing Bulls fans should be complaining about is all of the calls on their bigs in the first half.

-Smak

So when they were down by 22 and Rose put the entire team on his back and brought them to within 7, it was all for nothing? You honestly feel that it was stat fillers when he brings the team to within 7 with 6 minutes left?

And you are absolutely right about the bigs. This games a whole different story if Shaq didn't get called when people touch his jersey.

I was never really annoyed by shaq or anything, but today, when he would stare at the ref when another player stopped him from scoring, was absolutely pathetic.

[burnsy87]

Rose least tried to attack and gets shots up. He may shoot a poor % this series but least he is trying to make things happen.

It's funny how most of the Cavs fans seem to understand why he played like he did today, but everyone else (minus a few smart ones) seem to think that Rose just dribbles the ball around for 22 seconds and throws up a shot every single possession.

[cdorse1]

Rose least tried to attack and gets shots up. He may shoot a poor % this series but least he is trying to make things happen.

Funny thing is Rose was 13-28 which is still 46%. The problem was he didn't get to the FT line, and it was obvious he should have Mike Breen was in shock that he didn't get some of those calls. D.Rose needs to be more vocal and get a fine.

I just the Bulls would get some shooters and a legit big for Rose to play with. Because for a PG with his skillset he has the most poorly constructed team around him. Also the the guy is a PG those who say he is a 2 are just bashing him for no reason, the Bulls have inept offensive players and their weaknesses are even more exposed playing a great motivated Cavs squad.

[liquidrage]

No way can you blame rose... dude stepped it up and his team did not. Quite astonishing they were as close as they were in the 4th quarter.

He's a PG. Not a SG. Stop treating him like a SG. He has the ball in his hands all the time. All the fin time. It's his job to get his teammates going. He can break down a D and get his teammates east baskets. Right? Oh, no he can't. He can break down a D and take a bad jumper. That's his game. He's a 2 that has to play PG.

Rose is a #1 overall pick and deserves to be held to a high standard. In the West he wouldn't even be sniffing the all-star game and would be tied with Westbrook (he's a better scorer then Westbrook, but Westbrook is the better passer, and don't give me Durant as the reason I watch the games and Westbrook is much better at getting teammates east baskets).

Rose needs to control the game better, not score points better. That's his job since he has the ball ALL THE FIN TIME.

[burnsy87]

He's a PG. Not a SG. Stop treating him like a SG. He has the ball in his hands all the time. All the fin time. It's his job to get his teammates going. He can break down a D and get his teammates east baskets. Right? Oh, no he can't. He can break down a D and take a bad jumper. That's his game. He's a 2 that has to play PG.

Rose is a #1 overall pick and deserves to be held to a high standard. In the West he wouldn't even be sniffing the all-star game and would be tied with Westbrook (he's a better scorer then Westbrook, but Westbrook is the better passer, and don't give me Durant as the reason I watch the games and Westbrook is much better at getting teammates east baskets).

Rose needs to control the game better, not score points better. That's his job since he has the ball ALL THE FIN TIME.


How do you suggest he controls the game when his teammates generally shoot in the 30-40% range?


Hinrich will shoot over 50% every 8-9 games, then he just falls off again.


Wide open looks being missed can not be blamed on the point guard. Stop being a complete tool.

[aem]

How do you suggest he controls the game when his teammates generally shoot in the 30-40% range?


Hinrich will shoot over 50% every 8-9 games, then he just falls off again.


Wide open looks being missed can not be blamed on the point guard. Stop being a complete tool.

What's the point of arguing with haters dude. If it wasnt for Derrick this game would have been utterly embarassing for the Bulls.

He obviously has a lot to work on and people here would rather call him out on that and nothing else.

Its sad really but what can you do.

[JimmyConway]

Just yeaterday he's the best point in the EC, and now he's getting trashed. In Rose's defense (amd he deserves to be defended) he's 21 years old and trying to lead a team to a level of upset that has only happened once in NBA history. They're not going to win, they don't have nearly enough talent, but Rose did what great players do when faced with overwhelming odds, he tried to take the game over. And if you play one-on-five vs. a great D you're going to have an inefficient statline. But really, you guys with all the criticism, tell us: What should he do? What is the great adjustment he makes to lead the Bulls past Cleveland? HE has to play like that because he is his team's best hope. He's the All-Star, it's his job.
exactly.

[MJ(Mean John)]

It sucks, because you have Rose, who is A GREAT young talent, and he gets no love from the refs. Many times he was getting contact with no foul being called that lebron and kobe get all day everyday.

Other than Noah the bulls roster is weak. The guys cant score. They look like the sixers in 01. A bunch of guys running off of their heart.

IF THEY WOULD HAVE NEVER OF DEALT LA FOR TT ON DDRAFT DAY, THEY WOULD BE A SCARY TEAM RIGHT NOW. idiots.


Can you imagine? If they would have kept salmons or BG?

PG Rose
Sg Kirk
Sf Deng
Pf Lamarcus Aldridge
C Noah

And off the bench you have Brad miller and Ben Gordan and John Salmons? Team would be sick! A Real lowpost threat along with 2 offensive power guys off the bench.

:hammerhead:

[JimmyConway]

if we woulda kept aldridge then we would never have gotten in the right position to draft rose.

[Batman]

rose is better than james that is what game 1 proved

[airchibundo507]

He's a PG. Not a SG. Stop treating him like a SG. He has the ball in his hands all the time. All the fin time. It's his job to get his teammates going. He can break down a D and get his teammates east baskets. Right? Oh, no he can't. He can break down a D and take a bad jumper. That's his game. He's a 2 that has to play PG.

Rose is a #1 overall pick and deserves to be held to a high standard. In the West he wouldn't even be sniffing the all-star game and would be tied with Westbrook (he's a better scorer then Westbrook, but Westbrook is the better passer, and don't give me Durant as the reason I watch the games and Westbrook is much better at getting teammates east baskets).

Rose needs to control the game better, not score points better. That's his job since he has the ball ALL THE FIN TIME.

He doesn't have any finishers around him. No shooters to space the floor. No big men who can finish in traffic. Bad jumper? From what I've seen Rose's midrange jumpshot is efficient and effective. It's clear that you don't want to listen to reason in this argument. He could very well average 7+ assists with the right crew around him. Hell, he f*cking had 10 assists last night yet you still want to b*tch.

[Batman]

He doesn't have any finishers around him. No shooters to space the floor. No big men who can finish in traffic. Bad jumper? From what I've seen Rose's midrange jumpshot is efficient and effective. It's clear that you don't want to listen to reason in this argument. He could very well average 7+ assists with the right crew around him. Hell, he f*cking had 10 assists last night yet you still want to b*tch.

rose is better than melo just to add on to that

[airchibundo507]

rose is better than melo just to add on to that
sure he is, buddy

[entropy35]

rose is better than melo just to add on to that

http://ziza.ru/other/032007/07/other/images/panda.gif

[MagicalLA]

The OP clearly didnt watch the game.

Derrick Rose did all he could to try and take the game for Chicago. The man was making 4 or 5 shots in a row at one point of the game, he was scoring, assisting and trying to get close when the rest of the team wasnt doing sh*t. Specially the "second scoring" aka Luol Deng, what a bust...

So if somebody blames Rose for something they can get the f*ck outta here and watch basketball games, because today Rose cant be blamed for nothing.

[Glide2keva]

The OP clearly didnt watch the game.

Derrick Rose did all he could to try and take the game for Chicago. The man was making 4 or 5 shots in a row at one point of the game, he was scoring, assisting and trying to get close when the rest of the team wasnt doing sh*t. Specially the "second scoring" aka Luol Deng, what a bust...

So if somebody blames Rose for something they can get the f*ck outta here and watch basketball games, because today Rose cant be blamed for nothing.
Exactly, nevermind the fact that he had 10 assists. What else do they want him to do?

It seems the only players that can get praise here are Kobe and lebron, everyone else is overrated.

Children.

[King Lebron LBJ]

Rose will likely shoot an average to bad % in this series due to how much he will have to do offensively. It's clear the Bulls are going to struggle to score a huge amount in this series and Rose will be taking 20-25 shots a game or should be.

[Crystallas]

lead a team to a level of upset that has only happened once in NBA history.

Twice, but yeah.

[Roundball_Rock]

He doesn't have any finishers around him. No shooters to space the floor. No big men who can finish in traffic. Bad jumper? From what I've seen Rose's midrange jumpshot is efficient and effective. It's clear that you don't want to listen to reason in this argument. He could very well average 7+ assists with the right crew around him. Hell, he f*cking had 10 assists last night yet you still want to b*tch.

:applause:

Rose is the reason the game became even semi-competitive. Next year he will shoot less when we get either Amare/Bosh and hopefully also a SG who could space the floor


he wouldn't even be sniffing the all-star game and would be tied with Westbrook (he's a better scorer then Westbrook, but Westbrook is the better passe

Westbrook shot 41.8% this year (an improvement on 39.8% as a rookie :lol ) despite playing with the leading scorer in the league. Imagine him playing on the Bulls and getting the defensive attention Rose gets...

Plus, Rose has shown he can step up in the playoffs. Let's see if Westbrook can...

As to being an all-star in the West, Billups was an all-star and Rose arguably has been better than Billups this year. Imo Rose is a better player than Billups but Billups brings intangibles that make him more valuable for a contender like the Nuggets. For the Bulls? Rose easily is the better fit, both for this season and long-term.

[MJ(Mean John)]

Exactly, nevermind the fact that he had 10 assists. What else do they want him to do?

It seems the only players that can get praise here are Kobe and lebron, everyone else is overrated.

Children.


Thats What I'm saying. The Chicago-Cavs series is the only one that I'm actually REALLY looking forward to. It was the only game that I sat down and watched the whole thing for. Rooting for the Bulls all the way. I love that unded dogg role, ESPECIALLY when they have heart and Talent (Noah+Rose)

But ppl talking shit about Rose Have to understand basketball. Theres only SO MUCH YOU CAN DO, if your team isnt hitting shots, getting stops so that you can RUN THE BASKETBALL, and if they arent moving and boxing out, you are going to have to take some bad shots.

Dont they count getting blocked as a turn over?
Well wtf do you expect? the guy was atleast taking it to the basket!
He was only guy was fighting and trying to get some Got Damn lay ups.! And he was getting NO LOVE from the Refs.

All the other bulls were allergic to the paint. Jumpshot, after jumpshot. When Rose had the ball, they just stood there sometimes and just watched him. What did you expect him to do? throw it to kirk and watch him take jumpshot, after jumpshot?

I dont see how you can fault him. A young talent did his best. He isnt a 10 year vet here.


/rant.

[HylianNightmare]

i hope he doesn't do that thing where he has a great first game and then average games the rest of the series

[airchibundo507]

i hope he doesn't do that thing where he has a great first game and then average games the rest of the series

You better bring back that pikachu avatar after the postseason.

[Amil23]

Rose earned my respect yesterday.He played with heart and drove the ball all game long while his teammates played like p**ssies

[hawksdogsbraves]

Come on people Rose>>>Westbrook, that is pretty clear.

[burnsy87]

sure he is, buddy


I love how a Nuggs fan is defending Rose and one of our stupid ass fans has to start shit with him.

[Diesel J]

Marbury was a better scorer and passer than Rose.

[FIXED]

Marbury was a better scorer and passer than Rose.

One must first understand that saying Marbury better than Rose at the age of 21 is not a put down. Marbury was a bad man, A team killer, but a bad man. Marbury on an individual level right now at the age of 21 is better than Rose, and that's nothing to be ashamed about.
Marbury was a talent, he was traded straight up for Prime Jason Kidd to put it in perspective.